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On February 12 2011 03:55 Asha` wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2011 03:45 kyla wrote:On February 12 2011 03:41 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On February 12 2011 03:36 ChickenLips wrote:On February 12 2011 03:31 Enervate wrote:On February 12 2011 03:23 butch wrote:
That's just the state of the game (pun intended), everyone can win a big tournament, upsets are bound to happen, it all depends on who has a good/bad day.
ul for sjow, hopefully he can turn it around @ IEM I'm actually surprised and glad at how few upsets there have been. The only ones really are Sjow and Darkforce. Well, they might've been upsets to the public eye but IMO, both players have pretty huge flaws in their gameplay and I'm not surprised that they got booted in the groupstage. Darkforce I just think is a plain bad player, which is not a problem in and of itself but the fact that he plays Zerg, almost guarantees that he won't reach top4 of any given tournament. Sjow, I think is a great guy but his approach to scouting and adapting to his opponent is a big gaping hole in his gameplay. Zealot backdoor rush you can scout and adapt to very easily, and im not even talking about the whole SCV scout thing, he generally prefers to do his thing instead of checking out what his opponent does and then abusing that. Ok Nostradamus the best tournament player in Europe losing to two lesser known players is not a surprise to you. He is the most consistent player there is based on results. His style and skill have proven to be more consistent than any other player in Europe.Anyone can lose. Play some poker and you'll understand this concept better. the best tournament player in europe XD o-kay Highest earning foreign player kind of shows how consistent he is, not to mention I believe he still has the best win ratio in finals.
are you the most consistent player for winning the most money because of the IEM or are you rather consistent because you win most tourneys?
by the way.Naama,earned more because of DH so hes the most consistent player now?
hmmm. whatever.lets stop that and lets just watch the upcoming matches
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On February 12 2011 03:58 ParasitJonte wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2011 03:41 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On February 12 2011 03:36 ChickenLips wrote:On February 12 2011 03:31 Enervate wrote:On February 12 2011 03:23 butch wrote:
That's just the state of the game (pun intended), everyone can win a big tournament, upsets are bound to happen, it all depends on who has a good/bad day.
ul for sjow, hopefully he can turn it around @ IEM I'm actually surprised and glad at how few upsets there have been. The only ones really are Sjow and Darkforce. Well, they might've been upsets to the public eye but IMO, both players have pretty huge flaws in their gameplay and I'm not surprised that they got booted in the groupstage. Darkforce I just think is a plain bad player, which is not a problem in and of itself but the fact that he plays Zerg, almost guarantees that he won't reach top4 of any given tournament. Sjow, I think is a great guy but his approach to scouting and adapting to his opponent is a big gaping hole in his gameplay. Zealot backdoor rush you can scout and adapt to very easily, and im not even talking about the whole SCV scout thing, he generally prefers to do his thing instead of checking out what his opponent does and then abusing that. Ok Nostradamus the best tournament player in Europe losing to two lesser known players is not a surprise to you. He is the most consistent player there is based on results. His style and skill have proven to be more consistent than any other player in Europe.Anyone can lose. Play some poker and you'll understand this concept better. You're almost as consistent in your defense of SjoW. Everytime someone talks down on him you smack them in the face :D. You must've really been impressed by some of his games or something >_<. I agree with you of course, just think it's kind of funny.
Haha yea I agree too ... Liquid`Sjow?
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On February 12 2011 03:57 Neo.NEt wrote:
I love listening to casters that aren't speaking English because of:
"blah blah blah STIMPACK blah blah blah MAURADER blah blah blah"
But seriously, is there not a German word for stimpack or marauder? These are not specific examples, but you get the point.
most unit/ability names sound so incredibly awkward in german thats why no one uses them.
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Lol sjow got knocked out? What a shame.
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On February 12 2011 03:54 kyla wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2011 03:50 Vehemus wrote:On February 12 2011 03:45 kyla wrote:On February 12 2011 03:41 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On February 12 2011 03:36 ChickenLips wrote:On February 12 2011 03:31 Enervate wrote:On February 12 2011 03:23 butch wrote:
That's just the state of the game (pun intended), everyone can win a big tournament, upsets are bound to happen, it all depends on who has a good/bad day.
ul for sjow, hopefully he can turn it around @ IEM I'm actually surprised and glad at how few upsets there have been. The only ones really are Sjow and Darkforce. Well, they might've been upsets to the public eye but IMO, both players have pretty huge flaws in their gameplay and I'm not surprised that they got booted in the groupstage. Darkforce I just think is a plain bad player, which is not a problem in and of itself but the fact that he plays Zerg, almost guarantees that he won't reach top4 of any given tournament. Sjow, I think is a great guy but his approach to scouting and adapting to his opponent is a big gaping hole in his gameplay. Zealot backdoor rush you can scout and adapt to very easily, and im not even talking about the whole SCV scout thing, he generally prefers to do his thing instead of checking out what his opponent does and then abusing that. Ok Nostradamus the best tournament player in Europe losing to two lesser known players is not a surprise to you. He is the most consistent player there is based on results. His style and skill have proven to be more consistent than any other player in Europe.Anyone can lose. Play some poker and you'll understand this concept better. the best tournament player in europe XD o-kay Maybe you haven't seen his tournament results. I suggest you look into it.  SjoW i follow every eu tournament..every single cup and hes not the best or the most consistent euro. just trust me.
I don't trust random people on the internet. Who are you more than one of the thousands of people that follow most the eu tournaments and why are your opinion worth more than those who feel differently?
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On February 12 2011 03:57 Neo.NEt wrote:
I love listening to casters that aren't speaking English because of:
"blah blah blah STIMPACK blah blah blah MAURADER blah blah blah"
But seriously, is there not a German word for stimpack or marauder? These are not specific examples, but you get the point.
The competitive scene is pretty much international nowadays, so naturally english terminology is adopted.
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On February 12 2011 04:00 kyla wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2011 03:55 Asha` wrote:On February 12 2011 03:45 kyla wrote:On February 12 2011 03:41 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On February 12 2011 03:36 ChickenLips wrote:On February 12 2011 03:31 Enervate wrote:On February 12 2011 03:23 butch wrote:
That's just the state of the game (pun intended), everyone can win a big tournament, upsets are bound to happen, it all depends on who has a good/bad day.
ul for sjow, hopefully he can turn it around @ IEM I'm actually surprised and glad at how few upsets there have been. The only ones really are Sjow and Darkforce. Well, they might've been upsets to the public eye but IMO, both players have pretty huge flaws in their gameplay and I'm not surprised that they got booted in the groupstage. Darkforce I just think is a plain bad player, which is not a problem in and of itself but the fact that he plays Zerg, almost guarantees that he won't reach top4 of any given tournament. Sjow, I think is a great guy but his approach to scouting and adapting to his opponent is a big gaping hole in his gameplay. Zealot backdoor rush you can scout and adapt to very easily, and im not even talking about the whole SCV scout thing, he generally prefers to do his thing instead of checking out what his opponent does and then abusing that. Ok Nostradamus the best tournament player in Europe losing to two lesser known players is not a surprise to you. He is the most consistent player there is based on results. His style and skill have proven to be more consistent than any other player in Europe.Anyone can lose. Play some poker and you'll understand this concept better. the best tournament player in europe XD o-kay Highest earning foreign player kind of shows how consistent he is, not to mention I believe he still has the best win ratio in finals. are you the most consistent player for winning the most money because of the IEM or are you rather consistent because you win most tourneys? by the way.Naama,earned more because of DH so hes the most consistent player now? hmmm. whatever.lets stop that and lets just watch the upcoming matches
Be my guest, find me another player with 20 tournament wins ^^
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On February 12 2011 04:00 kyla wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2011 03:55 Asha` wrote:On February 12 2011 03:45 kyla wrote:On February 12 2011 03:41 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On February 12 2011 03:36 ChickenLips wrote:On February 12 2011 03:31 Enervate wrote:On February 12 2011 03:23 butch wrote:
That's just the state of the game (pun intended), everyone can win a big tournament, upsets are bound to happen, it all depends on who has a good/bad day.
ul for sjow, hopefully he can turn it around @ IEM I'm actually surprised and glad at how few upsets there have been. The only ones really are Sjow and Darkforce. Well, they might've been upsets to the public eye but IMO, both players have pretty huge flaws in their gameplay and I'm not surprised that they got booted in the groupstage. Darkforce I just think is a plain bad player, which is not a problem in and of itself but the fact that he plays Zerg, almost guarantees that he won't reach top4 of any given tournament. Sjow, I think is a great guy but his approach to scouting and adapting to his opponent is a big gaping hole in his gameplay. Zealot backdoor rush you can scout and adapt to very easily, and im not even talking about the whole SCV scout thing, he generally prefers to do his thing instead of checking out what his opponent does and then abusing that. Ok Nostradamus the best tournament player in Europe losing to two lesser known players is not a surprise to you. He is the most consistent player there is based on results. His style and skill have proven to be more consistent than any other player in Europe.Anyone can lose. Play some poker and you'll understand this concept better. the best tournament player in europe XD o-kay Highest earning foreign player kind of shows how consistent he is, not to mention I believe he still has the best win ratio in finals. are you the most consistent player for winning the most money because of the IEM or are you rather consistent because you win most tourneys? by the way.Naama,earned more because of DH so hes the most consistent player now? hmmm. whatever.lets stop that and lets just watch the upcoming matches
But he has the most cash AND the most victories, are you dumb or just trolling stupidly ?
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Oh, and to sjow haters: he didn't lose the first game vs sein because of his lack of scouting. He lost because the whole pulling all probes is kind of new. At least I don't think I've seen it before. Had he scouted, he would've seen the proxy gates and just got back in his base and proceeded to build marines. He wouldn't have thought of all probes coming.
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On February 12 2011 03:58 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2011 03:57 coddan wrote:On February 12 2011 03:54 kyla wrote:On February 12 2011 03:50 Vehemus wrote:On February 12 2011 03:45 kyla wrote:On February 12 2011 03:41 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On February 12 2011 03:36 ChickenLips wrote:On February 12 2011 03:31 Enervate wrote:On February 12 2011 03:23 butch wrote:
That's just the state of the game (pun intended), everyone can win a big tournament, upsets are bound to happen, it all depends on who has a good/bad day.
ul for sjow, hopefully he can turn it around @ IEM I'm actually surprised and glad at how few upsets there have been. The only ones really are Sjow and Darkforce. Well, they might've been upsets to the public eye but IMO, both players have pretty huge flaws in their gameplay and I'm not surprised that they got booted in the groupstage. Darkforce I just think is a plain bad player, which is not a problem in and of itself but the fact that he plays Zerg, almost guarantees that he won't reach top4 of any given tournament. Sjow, I think is a great guy but his approach to scouting and adapting to his opponent is a big gaping hole in his gameplay. Zealot backdoor rush you can scout and adapt to very easily, and im not even talking about the whole SCV scout thing, he generally prefers to do his thing instead of checking out what his opponent does and then abusing that. Ok Nostradamus the best tournament player in Europe losing to two lesser known players is not a surprise to you. He is the most consistent player there is based on results. His style and skill have proven to be more consistent than any other player in Europe.Anyone can lose. Play some poker and you'll understand this concept better. the best tournament player in europe XD o-kay Maybe you haven't seen his tournament results. I suggest you look into it. SjoW i follow every eu tournament..every single cup and hes not the best or the most consistent euro. just trust me. So the other guy provides sources and your response is "no lol trust me"? Nice. But he's watching every single EU tourney, didn't you read ? So he obviously knows.
it IS white-ra. why should i give you an OFFICIAL source when i see which euro wins the most tourneys?even kas won more.
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On February 12 2011 04:00 kyla wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2011 03:55 Asha` wrote:On February 12 2011 03:45 kyla wrote:On February 12 2011 03:41 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On February 12 2011 03:36 ChickenLips wrote:On February 12 2011 03:31 Enervate wrote:On February 12 2011 03:23 butch wrote:
That's just the state of the game (pun intended), everyone can win a big tournament, upsets are bound to happen, it all depends on who has a good/bad day.
ul for sjow, hopefully he can turn it around @ IEM I'm actually surprised and glad at how few upsets there have been. The only ones really are Sjow and Darkforce. Well, they might've been upsets to the public eye but IMO, both players have pretty huge flaws in their gameplay and I'm not surprised that they got booted in the groupstage. Darkforce I just think is a plain bad player, which is not a problem in and of itself but the fact that he plays Zerg, almost guarantees that he won't reach top4 of any given tournament. Sjow, I think is a great guy but his approach to scouting and adapting to his opponent is a big gaping hole in his gameplay. Zealot backdoor rush you can scout and adapt to very easily, and im not even talking about the whole SCV scout thing, he generally prefers to do his thing instead of checking out what his opponent does and then abusing that. Ok Nostradamus the best tournament player in Europe losing to two lesser known players is not a surprise to you. He is the most consistent player there is based on results. His style and skill have proven to be more consistent than any other player in Europe.Anyone can lose. Play some poker and you'll understand this concept better. the best tournament player in europe XD o-kay Highest earning foreign player kind of shows how consistent he is, not to mention I believe he still has the best win ratio in finals. are you the most consistent player for winning the most money because of the IEM or are you rather consistent because you win most tourneys? by the way.Naama,earned more because of DH so hes the most consistent player now? hmmm. whatever.lets stop that and lets just watch the upcoming matches
look at
http://ehcg.djgamblore.com/
then look at
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players#tblt-2349-1-4-DESC
then come back
edit: as posted before, you might also want to look at
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/1777_SjoW
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Sjow is actually the most consistent Euro player at the moment, so please stop arguing about it unless you can provide someone on the TL Database who is better.
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On February 12 2011 03:59 MYM.ClouD wrote:
Don't feed the trolls. Sjow probably underrated the difficulty of the tournament, the guys who beat him are both very good players and SC2 has a very low skill ceiling compared to SCBW or WC3, it's obvious that if you don't play your best you are going to lose to people much less accomplished than you.
You should go back to BW, man! :D
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On February 12 2011 04:00 mdma-_- wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2011 03:57 Neo.NEt wrote:
I love listening to casters that aren't speaking English because of:
"blah blah blah STIMPACK blah blah blah MAURADER blah blah blah"
But seriously, is there not a German word for stimpack or marauder? These are not specific examples, but you get the point. most unit/ability names sound so incredibly awkward in german thats why no one uses them.
Well I'm not sure any language uses the translations... take "plaguuuuu" for example. Obviously plagu is not the Korean translation for the word "plague" (and if it is then I picked the worst example possible) and I'm certain there is a Korean word for "plague" and I doubt it sounds any more awkward than Koreans using an English word sounds... I just think it's strange.
When people in Spain play basketball, do they call the net the "net" or do they use the Spanish word? I would bet they use the Spanish word... and I'm not sure why sc2 is different.
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On February 12 2011 03:58 ParasitJonte wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2011 03:41 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On February 12 2011 03:36 ChickenLips wrote:On February 12 2011 03:31 Enervate wrote:On February 12 2011 03:23 butch wrote:
That's just the state of the game (pun intended), everyone can win a big tournament, upsets are bound to happen, it all depends on who has a good/bad day.
ul for sjow, hopefully he can turn it around @ IEM I'm actually surprised and glad at how few upsets there have been. The only ones really are Sjow and Darkforce. Well, they might've been upsets to the public eye but IMO, both players have pretty huge flaws in their gameplay and I'm not surprised that they got booted in the groupstage. Darkforce I just think is a plain bad player, which is not a problem in and of itself but the fact that he plays Zerg, almost guarantees that he won't reach top4 of any given tournament. Sjow, I think is a great guy but his approach to scouting and adapting to his opponent is a big gaping hole in his gameplay. Zealot backdoor rush you can scout and adapt to very easily, and im not even talking about the whole SCV scout thing, he generally prefers to do his thing instead of checking out what his opponent does and then abusing that. Ok Nostradamus the best tournament player in Europe losing to two lesser known players is not a surprise to you. He is the most consistent player there is based on results. His style and skill have proven to be more consistent than any other player in Europe.Anyone can lose. Play some poker and you'll understand this concept better. You're almost as consistent in your defense of SjoW. Everytime someone talks down on him you smack them in the face :D. You must've really been impressed by some of his games or something >_<. I agree with you of course, just think it's kind of funny.
Maybe he is being persuaded to join liquid. Training house in sweden yo
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On February 12 2011 04:03 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2011 04:00 kyla wrote:On February 12 2011 03:55 Asha` wrote:On February 12 2011 03:45 kyla wrote:On February 12 2011 03:41 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On February 12 2011 03:36 ChickenLips wrote:On February 12 2011 03:31 Enervate wrote:On February 12 2011 03:23 butch wrote:
That's just the state of the game (pun intended), everyone can win a big tournament, upsets are bound to happen, it all depends on who has a good/bad day.
ul for sjow, hopefully he can turn it around @ IEM I'm actually surprised and glad at how few upsets there have been. The only ones really are Sjow and Darkforce. Well, they might've been upsets to the public eye but IMO, both players have pretty huge flaws in their gameplay and I'm not surprised that they got booted in the groupstage. Darkforce I just think is a plain bad player, which is not a problem in and of itself but the fact that he plays Zerg, almost guarantees that he won't reach top4 of any given tournament. Sjow, I think is a great guy but his approach to scouting and adapting to his opponent is a big gaping hole in his gameplay. Zealot backdoor rush you can scout and adapt to very easily, and im not even talking about the whole SCV scout thing, he generally prefers to do his thing instead of checking out what his opponent does and then abusing that. Ok Nostradamus the best tournament player in Europe losing to two lesser known players is not a surprise to you. He is the most consistent player there is based on results. His style and skill have proven to be more consistent than any other player in Europe.Anyone can lose. Play some poker and you'll understand this concept better. the best tournament player in europe XD o-kay Highest earning foreign player kind of shows how consistent he is, not to mention I believe he still has the best win ratio in finals. are you the most consistent player for winning the most money because of the IEM or are you rather consistent because you win most tourneys? by the way.Naama,earned more because of DH so hes the most consistent player now? hmmm. whatever.lets stop that and lets just watch the upcoming matches But he has the most cash AND the most victories, are you dumb or just trolling stupidly ?
http://www.gomtv.net/2011gstl1/news/60890
WHO is dumb now?
if you dont believe me that its NOT sjow then good night
enough said
white-ra and kas and its not sjow.
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It is funny to all the people (trolls?) saying it is fashion to put sjow in a pedestral after his successes. I actually think it's quite the opposite. I think sjow is one of the only top tier players in europe that carries an aura among the community where it is so fashionable to hate on him and bring him down. It is something I have noticed in these forums and while not being that much of a fan, I still find it pretty pathetic.
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On February 12 2011 04:02 Asha` wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2011 04:00 kyla wrote:On February 12 2011 03:55 Asha` wrote:On February 12 2011 03:45 kyla wrote:On February 12 2011 03:41 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On February 12 2011 03:36 ChickenLips wrote:On February 12 2011 03:31 Enervate wrote:On February 12 2011 03:23 butch wrote:
That's just the state of the game (pun intended), everyone can win a big tournament, upsets are bound to happen, it all depends on who has a good/bad day.
ul for sjow, hopefully he can turn it around @ IEM I'm actually surprised and glad at how few upsets there have been. The only ones really are Sjow and Darkforce. Well, they might've been upsets to the public eye but IMO, both players have pretty huge flaws in their gameplay and I'm not surprised that they got booted in the groupstage. Darkforce I just think is a plain bad player, which is not a problem in and of itself but the fact that he plays Zerg, almost guarantees that he won't reach top4 of any given tournament. Sjow, I think is a great guy but his approach to scouting and adapting to his opponent is a big gaping hole in his gameplay. Zealot backdoor rush you can scout and adapt to very easily, and im not even talking about the whole SCV scout thing, he generally prefers to do his thing instead of checking out what his opponent does and then abusing that. Ok Nostradamus the best tournament player in Europe losing to two lesser known players is not a surprise to you. He is the most consistent player there is based on results. His style and skill have proven to be more consistent than any other player in Europe.Anyone can lose. Play some poker and you'll understand this concept better. the best tournament player in europe XD o-kay Highest earning foreign player kind of shows how consistent he is, not to mention I believe he still has the best win ratio in finals. are you the most consistent player for winning the most money because of the IEM or are you rather consistent because you win most tourneys? by the way.Naama,earned more because of DH so hes the most consistent player now? hmmm. whatever.lets stop that and lets just watch the upcoming matches Be my guest, find me another player with 20 tournament wins ^^
Hmm, why should we use this as a metric for best or most consistent player ? Frankly without defining and agreeing on the metric everyone's argument is just opinion and nothing more.
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To the people aruging on how good Sjow's acctualy doing, I took a quick look on the TLPD and of the top Euro players we've got:
Naniwa: 19 notable tournaments (guess it's counting 1. 2. and third if it's a bigger tournament) most notable are KOTM CC january, TSL qualifier and homestory cup I guess. And a W/L ratio of 66.84%
Kas: 23 tournament notable tournaments alot of GFSC2 and CC and some TLOpens. W/L ratio 62.59%
Dimaga: 18 notable tournaments and a W/L of 54.72%
White-Ra: 10 notable tournaments but his tournaments are usualy bigger ones than the others, not CC and GFSC2 (homestory, blizzcon, IEM 2nd etc ++) W/L 60.22%
Naama: 16 notable tournaments and a W/L of 59.26%
Sjow: 34 notable tournaments (11 more than the next guy, quite a bit of zotac, CC, gfsc2 etc and IEM + pokeridol) and a W/L of 66.56%
Argue what you want but he got the most good placements and the 2nd highest W/L by 0.28%
and apparently most money off any koreans it seems.
Data from TLPD and http://ehcg.djgamblore.com/.
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On February 12 2011 04:03 kyla wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2011 03:58 MrCon wrote:On February 12 2011 03:57 coddan wrote:On February 12 2011 03:54 kyla wrote:On February 12 2011 03:50 Vehemus wrote:On February 12 2011 03:45 kyla wrote:On February 12 2011 03:41 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On February 12 2011 03:36 ChickenLips wrote:On February 12 2011 03:31 Enervate wrote:On February 12 2011 03:23 butch wrote:
That's just the state of the game (pun intended), everyone can win a big tournament, upsets are bound to happen, it all depends on who has a good/bad day.
ul for sjow, hopefully he can turn it around @ IEM I'm actually surprised and glad at how few upsets there have been. The only ones really are Sjow and Darkforce. Well, they might've been upsets to the public eye but IMO, both players have pretty huge flaws in their gameplay and I'm not surprised that they got booted in the groupstage. Darkforce I just think is a plain bad player, which is not a problem in and of itself but the fact that he plays Zerg, almost guarantees that he won't reach top4 of any given tournament. Sjow, I think is a great guy but his approach to scouting and adapting to his opponent is a big gaping hole in his gameplay. Zealot backdoor rush you can scout and adapt to very easily, and im not even talking about the whole SCV scout thing, he generally prefers to do his thing instead of checking out what his opponent does and then abusing that. Ok Nostradamus the best tournament player in Europe losing to two lesser known players is not a surprise to you. He is the most consistent player there is based on results. His style and skill have proven to be more consistent than any other player in Europe.Anyone can lose. Play some poker and you'll understand this concept better. the best tournament player in europe XD o-kay Maybe you haven't seen his tournament results. I suggest you look into it. SjoW i follow every eu tournament..every single cup and hes not the best or the most consistent euro. just trust me. So the other guy provides sources and your response is "no lol trust me"? Nice. But he's watching every single EU tourney, didn't you read ? So he obviously knows. it IS white-ra. why should i give you an OFFICIAL source when i see which euro wins the most tourneys?even kas won more.
assuming TL.net is the most OFFICIAL source when it comes to sc2 atm:
White-Ra
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/1148_White-Ra
Main Achievements: [ Display all leagues played ]
10 entries, 1 page
Kas
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/1693_Kas
Main Achievements: [ Display all leagues played ]
23 entries, 2 pages
Sjow
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/1777_SjoW
Main Achievements: [ Display all leagues played ]
34 entries, 3 pages
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