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BobMcJohnson
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
France2916 Posts
February 11 2011 18:30 GMT
#1321
Sjow :'(
Romanes eunt domus
Enervate
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1769 Posts
February 11 2011 18:31 GMT
#1322
On February 12 2011 03:23 butch wrote:
That's just the state of the game (pun intended), everyone can win a big tournament, upsets are bound to happen, it all depends on who has a good/bad day.

ul for sjow, hopefully he can turn it around @ IEM

I'm actually surprised and glad at how few upsets there have been. The only ones really are Sjow and Darkforce.
DBrave
Profile Joined December 2010
Serbia379 Posts
February 11 2011 18:35 GMT
#1323
does anyone think that group P is most interesting?
Only player that I don't know about is Virus.Magik, other 3 are very good. I hope casters will focus on this group.
gg wp
ChickenLips
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2912 Posts
February 11 2011 18:36 GMT
#1324
On February 12 2011 03:31 Enervate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2011 03:23 butch wrote:
That's just the state of the game (pun intended), everyone can win a big tournament, upsets are bound to happen, it all depends on who has a good/bad day.

ul for sjow, hopefully he can turn it around @ IEM

I'm actually surprised and glad at how few upsets there have been. The only ones really are Sjow and Darkforce.



Well, they might've been upsets to the public eye but IMO, both players have pretty huge flaws in their gameplay and I'm not surprised that they got booted in the groupstage. Darkforce I just think is a plain bad player, which is not a problem in and of itself but the fact that he plays Zerg, almost guarantees that he won't reach top4 of any given tournament. Sjow, I think is a great guy but his approach to scouting and adapting to his opponent is a big gaping hole in his gameplay. Zealot backdoor rush you can scout and adapt to very easily, and im not even talking about the whole SCV scout thing, he generally prefers to do his thing instead of checking out what his opponent does and then abusing that.
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vdale
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany1173 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-11 18:42:39
February 11 2011 18:40 GMT
#1325
On February 12 2011 03:36 ChickenLips wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2011 03:31 Enervate wrote:
On February 12 2011 03:23 butch wrote:
That's just the state of the game (pun intended), everyone can win a big tournament, upsets are bound to happen, it all depends on who has a good/bad day.

ul for sjow, hopefully he can turn it around @ IEM

I'm actually surprised and glad at how few upsets there have been. The only ones really are Sjow and Darkforce.



Well, they might've been upsets to the public eye but IMO, both players have pretty huge flaws in their gameplay and I'm not surprised that they got booted in the groupstage. Darkforce I just think is a plain bad player, which is not a problem in and of itself but the fact that he plays Zerg, almost guarantees that he won't reach top4 of any given tournament. Sjow, I think is a great guy but his approach to scouting and adapting to his opponent is a big gaping hole in his gameplay. Zealot backdoor rush you can scout and adapt to very easily, and im not even talking about the whole SCV scout thing, he generally prefers to do his thing instead of checking out what his opponent does and then abusing that.

oh please stop ... It looked like Sjow just had a bad day and Darkforce lost both BO3 1-2 with a ZvT on Jungle Basin against Kas and as far as I know there were some All-Ins in the ZvZ matches, he definitely isn't "plain bad".
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-11 18:42:29
February 11 2011 18:41 GMT
#1326
On February 12 2011 03:36 ChickenLips wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2011 03:31 Enervate wrote:
On February 12 2011 03:23 butch wrote:
That's just the state of the game (pun intended), everyone can win a big tournament, upsets are bound to happen, it all depends on who has a good/bad day.

ul for sjow, hopefully he can turn it around @ IEM

I'm actually surprised and glad at how few upsets there have been. The only ones really are Sjow and Darkforce.



Well, they might've been upsets to the public eye but IMO, both players have pretty huge flaws in their gameplay and I'm not surprised that they got booted in the groupstage. Darkforce I just think is a plain bad player, which is not a problem in and of itself but the fact that he plays Zerg, almost guarantees that he won't reach top4 of any given tournament. Sjow, I think is a great guy but his approach to scouting and adapting to his opponent is a big gaping hole in his gameplay. Zealot backdoor rush you can scout and adapt to very easily, and im not even talking about the whole SCV scout thing, he generally prefers to do his thing instead of checking out what his opponent does and then abusing that.

Ok Nostradamus the best tournament player in Europe losing to two lesser known players is not a surprise to you. He is the most consistent player there is based on results. His style and skill have proven to be more consistent than any other player in Europe.

Anyone can lose. Play some poker and you'll understand this concept better.
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KiNGxXx
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
7928 Posts
February 11 2011 18:42 GMT
#1327
On February 12 2011 03:35 DBrave wrote:
does anyone think that group P is most interesting?
Only player that I don't know about is Virus.Magik, other 3 are very good. I hope casters will focus on this group.

Most interesting? Yes, i think so, too. But why do you think Grubby is very good? I'm sure he will become very strong but he hasn't show anything so far.
MKP|Maru|TaeJa|Mvp|Polt|INnoVation|GuMiho|Bomber|GoOdy|TeamTerran
PartyBiscuit
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada4525 Posts
February 11 2011 18:44 GMT
#1328
On February 12 2011 03:42 KiNGxXx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2011 03:35 DBrave wrote:
does anyone think that group P is most interesting?
Only player that I don't know about is Virus.Magik, other 3 are very good. I hope casters will focus on this group.

Most interesting? Yes, i think so, too. But why do you think Grubby is very good? I'm sure he will become very strong but he hasn't show anything so far.

I agree I think Grubby will be lucky to win a match.
the farm ends here
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
February 11 2011 18:44 GMT
#1329
On February 12 2011 03:41 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2011 03:36 ChickenLips wrote:
On February 12 2011 03:31 Enervate wrote:
On February 12 2011 03:23 butch wrote:
That's just the state of the game (pun intended), everyone can win a big tournament, upsets are bound to happen, it all depends on who has a good/bad day.

ul for sjow, hopefully he can turn it around @ IEM

I'm actually surprised and glad at how few upsets there have been. The only ones really are Sjow and Darkforce.



Well, they might've been upsets to the public eye but IMO, both players have pretty huge flaws in their gameplay and I'm not surprised that they got booted in the groupstage. Darkforce I just think is a plain bad player, which is not a problem in and of itself but the fact that he plays Zerg, almost guarantees that he won't reach top4 of any given tournament. Sjow, I think is a great guy but his approach to scouting and adapting to his opponent is a big gaping hole in his gameplay. Zealot backdoor rush you can scout and adapt to very easily, and im not even talking about the whole SCV scout thing, he generally prefers to do his thing instead of checking out what his opponent does and then abusing that.

Ok Nostradamus the best tournament player in Europe losing to two lesser known players is not a surprise to you. He is the most consistent player there is based on results. His style and skill have proven to be more consistent than any other player in Europe.

Anyone can lose. Play some poker and you'll understand this concept better.

Just point to the fact that Flash was knocked out of both MSL and OSL this season and your point will be crystal clear.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
DBrave
Profile Joined December 2010
Serbia379 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-11 18:45:45
February 11 2011 18:45 GMT
#1330
@KiNGxXx :
yea you are right.
gg wp
kyla
Profile Joined November 2010
198 Posts
February 11 2011 18:45 GMT
#1331
On February 12 2011 03:41 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2011 03:36 ChickenLips wrote:
On February 12 2011 03:31 Enervate wrote:
On February 12 2011 03:23 butch wrote:
That's just the state of the game (pun intended), everyone can win a big tournament, upsets are bound to happen, it all depends on who has a good/bad day.

ul for sjow, hopefully he can turn it around @ IEM

I'm actually surprised and glad at how few upsets there have been. The only ones really are Sjow and Darkforce.



Well, they might've been upsets to the public eye but IMO, both players have pretty huge flaws in their gameplay and I'm not surprised that they got booted in the groupstage. Darkforce I just think is a plain bad player, which is not a problem in and of itself but the fact that he plays Zerg, almost guarantees that he won't reach top4 of any given tournament. Sjow, I think is a great guy but his approach to scouting and adapting to his opponent is a big gaping hole in his gameplay. Zealot backdoor rush you can scout and adapt to very easily, and im not even talking about the whole SCV scout thing, he generally prefers to do his thing instead of checking out what his opponent does and then abusing that.

Ok Nostradamus the best tournament player in Europe losing to two lesser known players is not a surprise to you. He is the most consistent player there is based on results. His style and skill have proven to be more consistent than any other player in Europe.

Anyone can lose. Play some poker and you'll understand this concept better.


the best tournament player in europe XD
o-kay
kyla
Profile Joined November 2010
198 Posts
February 11 2011 18:47 GMT
#1332
On February 12 2011 03:40 vdale wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2011 03:36 ChickenLips wrote:
On February 12 2011 03:31 Enervate wrote:
On February 12 2011 03:23 butch wrote:
That's just the state of the game (pun intended), everyone can win a big tournament, upsets are bound to happen, it all depends on who has a good/bad day.

ul for sjow, hopefully he can turn it around @ IEM

I'm actually surprised and glad at how few upsets there have been. The only ones really are Sjow and Darkforce.



Well, they might've been upsets to the public eye but IMO, both players have pretty huge flaws in their gameplay and I'm not surprised that they got booted in the groupstage. Darkforce I just think is a plain bad player, which is not a problem in and of itself but the fact that he plays Zerg, almost guarantees that he won't reach top4 of any given tournament. Sjow, I think is a great guy but his approach to scouting and adapting to his opponent is a big gaping hole in his gameplay. Zealot backdoor rush you can scout and adapt to very easily, and im not even talking about the whole SCV scout thing, he generally prefers to do his thing instead of checking out what his opponent does and then abusing that.

oh please stop ... It looked like Sjow just had a bad day and Darkforce lost both BO3 1-2 with a ZvT on Jungle Basin against Kas and as far as I know there were some All-Ins in the ZvZ matches, he definitely isn't "plain bad".


ye and by the way darkforce is still a top3 zerg in the eu ladder together with dimaga and morrow.
he cant be that bad
nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-11 18:48:23
February 11 2011 18:47 GMT
#1333
On February 12 2011 03:45 kyla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2011 03:41 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
On February 12 2011 03:36 ChickenLips wrote:
On February 12 2011 03:31 Enervate wrote:
On February 12 2011 03:23 butch wrote:
That's just the state of the game (pun intended), everyone can win a big tournament, upsets are bound to happen, it all depends on who has a good/bad day.

ul for sjow, hopefully he can turn it around @ IEM

I'm actually surprised and glad at how few upsets there have been. The only ones really are Sjow and Darkforce.



Well, they might've been upsets to the public eye but IMO, both players have pretty huge flaws in their gameplay and I'm not surprised that they got booted in the groupstage. Darkforce I just think is a plain bad player, which is not a problem in and of itself but the fact that he plays Zerg, almost guarantees that he won't reach top4 of any given tournament. Sjow, I think is a great guy but his approach to scouting and adapting to his opponent is a big gaping hole in his gameplay. Zealot backdoor rush you can scout and adapt to very easily, and im not even talking about the whole SCV scout thing, he generally prefers to do his thing instead of checking out what his opponent does and then abusing that.

Ok Nostradamus the best tournament player in Europe losing to two lesser known players is not a surprise to you. He is the most consistent player there is based on results. His style and skill have proven to be more consistent than any other player in Europe.

Anyone can lose. Play some poker and you'll understand this concept better.


the best tournament player in europe XD
o-kay


He said most consistent not best. Those aren't necessarily the same.
Banelings are too cute to blow up
GP
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1056 Posts
February 11 2011 18:47 GMT
#1334
On February 12 2011 03:44 Holgerius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2011 03:41 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
On February 12 2011 03:36 ChickenLips wrote:
On February 12 2011 03:31 Enervate wrote:
On February 12 2011 03:23 butch wrote:
That's just the state of the game (pun intended), everyone can win a big tournament, upsets are bound to happen, it all depends on who has a good/bad day.

ul for sjow, hopefully he can turn it around @ IEM

I'm actually surprised and glad at how few upsets there have been. The only ones really are Sjow and Darkforce.



Well, they might've been upsets to the public eye but IMO, both players have pretty huge flaws in their gameplay and I'm not surprised that they got booted in the groupstage. Darkforce I just think is a plain bad player, which is not a problem in and of itself but the fact that he plays Zerg, almost guarantees that he won't reach top4 of any given tournament. Sjow, I think is a great guy but his approach to scouting and adapting to his opponent is a big gaping hole in his gameplay. Zealot backdoor rush you can scout and adapt to very easily, and im not even talking about the whole SCV scout thing, he generally prefers to do his thing instead of checking out what his opponent does and then abusing that.

Ok Nostradamus the best tournament player in Europe losing to two lesser known players is not a surprise to you. He is the most consistent player there is based on results. His style and skill have proven to be more consistent than any other player in Europe.

Anyone can lose. Play some poker and you'll understand this concept better.

Just point to the fact that Flash was knocked out of both MSL and OSL this season and your point will be crystal clear.

But Flash has huge flaws in his game play, I'm not surprised! :D
Gridlock
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom517 Posts
February 11 2011 18:48 GMT
#1335
In usual ignorant British way, I can't speak or understand a word of German.

The Khalor stream is funny because to me it sounds like this....

"Ichez veen diffalackalack JAILBREAK THE FLASH sminer leeth kanz kanz reighter ANDROID FOR THE WIN!! dotchen slanglang voya ledy DAY NINE DAILY FUNDAY MONDAY..."

I don't mean offence, I'm an ignorant English only speaker.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
February 11 2011 18:49 GMT
#1336
On February 12 2011 03:47 GP wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2011 03:44 Holgerius wrote:
On February 12 2011 03:41 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
On February 12 2011 03:36 ChickenLips wrote:
On February 12 2011 03:31 Enervate wrote:
On February 12 2011 03:23 butch wrote:
That's just the state of the game (pun intended), everyone can win a big tournament, upsets are bound to happen, it all depends on who has a good/bad day.

ul for sjow, hopefully he can turn it around @ IEM

I'm actually surprised and glad at how few upsets there have been. The only ones really are Sjow and Darkforce.



Well, they might've been upsets to the public eye but IMO, both players have pretty huge flaws in their gameplay and I'm not surprised that they got booted in the groupstage. Darkforce I just think is a plain bad player, which is not a problem in and of itself but the fact that he plays Zerg, almost guarantees that he won't reach top4 of any given tournament. Sjow, I think is a great guy but his approach to scouting and adapting to his opponent is a big gaping hole in his gameplay. Zealot backdoor rush you can scout and adapt to very easily, and im not even talking about the whole SCV scout thing, he generally prefers to do his thing instead of checking out what his opponent does and then abusing that.

Ok Nostradamus the best tournament player in Europe losing to two lesser known players is not a surprise to you. He is the most consistent player there is based on results. His style and skill have proven to be more consistent than any other player in Europe.

Anyone can lose. Play some poker and you'll understand this concept better.

Just point to the fact that Flash was knocked out of both MSL and OSL this season and your point will be crystal clear.

But Flash has huge flaws in his game play, I'm not surprised! :D

If you manage to point out obvious flaws in his play you're a genius. XD
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Vehemus
Profile Joined November 2010
United States586 Posts
February 11 2011 18:50 GMT
#1337
On February 12 2011 03:45 kyla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2011 03:41 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
On February 12 2011 03:36 ChickenLips wrote:
On February 12 2011 03:31 Enervate wrote:
On February 12 2011 03:23 butch wrote:
That's just the state of the game (pun intended), everyone can win a big tournament, upsets are bound to happen, it all depends on who has a good/bad day.

ul for sjow, hopefully he can turn it around @ IEM

I'm actually surprised and glad at how few upsets there have been. The only ones really are Sjow and Darkforce.



Well, they might've been upsets to the public eye but IMO, both players have pretty huge flaws in their gameplay and I'm not surprised that they got booted in the groupstage. Darkforce I just think is a plain bad player, which is not a problem in and of itself but the fact that he plays Zerg, almost guarantees that he won't reach top4 of any given tournament. Sjow, I think is a great guy but his approach to scouting and adapting to his opponent is a big gaping hole in his gameplay. Zealot backdoor rush you can scout and adapt to very easily, and im not even talking about the whole SCV scout thing, he generally prefers to do his thing instead of checking out what his opponent does and then abusing that.

Ok Nostradamus the best tournament player in Europe losing to two lesser known players is not a surprise to you. He is the most consistent player there is based on results. His style and skill have proven to be more consistent than any other player in Europe.

Anyone can lose. Play some poker and you'll understand this concept better.


the best tournament player in europe XD
o-kay


Maybe you haven't seen his tournament results. I suggest you look into it.

(T)SjoW
This space for rent.
mcc
Profile Joined October 2010
Czech Republic4646 Posts
February 11 2011 18:51 GMT
#1338
On February 12 2011 03:41 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2011 03:36 ChickenLips wrote:
On February 12 2011 03:31 Enervate wrote:
On February 12 2011 03:23 butch wrote:
That's just the state of the game (pun intended), everyone can win a big tournament, upsets are bound to happen, it all depends on who has a good/bad day.

ul for sjow, hopefully he can turn it around @ IEM

I'm actually surprised and glad at how few upsets there have been. The only ones really are Sjow and Darkforce.



Well, they might've been upsets to the public eye but IMO, both players have pretty huge flaws in their gameplay and I'm not surprised that they got booted in the groupstage. Darkforce I just think is a plain bad player, which is not a problem in and of itself but the fact that he plays Zerg, almost guarantees that he won't reach top4 of any given tournament. Sjow, I think is a great guy but his approach to scouting and adapting to his opponent is a big gaping hole in his gameplay. Zealot backdoor rush you can scout and adapt to very easily, and im not even talking about the whole SCV scout thing, he generally prefers to do his thing instead of checking out what his opponent does and then abusing that.

Ok Nostradamus the best tournament player in Europe losing to two lesser known players is not a surprise to you. He is the most consistent player there is based on results. His style and skill have proven to be more consistent than any other player in Europe.

Anyone can lose. Play some poker and you'll understand this concept better.

I would argue that there are few others that are similarly consistent. Also lately it seems his lack of scouting is starting to get abused, but you are right that this loss does not really mean that much and people are overreacting.
kyla
Profile Joined November 2010
198 Posts
February 11 2011 18:51 GMT
#1339
On February 12 2011 03:47 nihlon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2011 03:45 kyla wrote:
On February 12 2011 03:41 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
On February 12 2011 03:36 ChickenLips wrote:
On February 12 2011 03:31 Enervate wrote:
On February 12 2011 03:23 butch wrote:
That's just the state of the game (pun intended), everyone can win a big tournament, upsets are bound to happen, it all depends on who has a good/bad day.

ul for sjow, hopefully he can turn it around @ IEM

I'm actually surprised and glad at how few upsets there have been. The only ones really are Sjow and Darkforce.



Well, they might've been upsets to the public eye but IMO, both players have pretty huge flaws in their gameplay and I'm not surprised that they got booted in the groupstage. Darkforce I just think is a plain bad player, which is not a problem in and of itself but the fact that he plays Zerg, almost guarantees that he won't reach top4 of any given tournament. Sjow, I think is a great guy but his approach to scouting and adapting to his opponent is a big gaping hole in his gameplay. Zealot backdoor rush you can scout and adapt to very easily, and im not even talking about the whole SCV scout thing, he generally prefers to do his thing instead of checking out what his opponent does and then abusing that.

Ok Nostradamus the best tournament player in Europe losing to two lesser known players is not a surprise to you. He is the most consistent player there is based on results. His style and skill have proven to be more consistent than any other player in Europe.

Anyone can lose. Play some poker and you'll understand this concept better.


the best tournament player in europe XD
o-kay


He said most consistent not best. Those aren't necessarily the same.


he said both xd i know that its not the same.
when we talk about consistent euros i rather think of kas or white-ra for example
but well if you like someone you defend him eventually and everyone has its own opinion

LittLeD
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden7973 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-11 18:54:27
February 11 2011 18:51 GMT
#1340
On February 12 2011 03:45 kyla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2011 03:41 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
On February 12 2011 03:36 ChickenLips wrote:
On February 12 2011 03:31 Enervate wrote:
On February 12 2011 03:23 butch wrote:
That's just the state of the game (pun intended), everyone can win a big tournament, upsets are bound to happen, it all depends on who has a good/bad day.

ul for sjow, hopefully he can turn it around @ IEM

I'm actually surprised and glad at how few upsets there have been. The only ones really are Sjow and Darkforce.



Well, they might've been upsets to the public eye but IMO, both players have pretty huge flaws in their gameplay and I'm not surprised that they got booted in the groupstage. Darkforce I just think is a plain bad player, which is not a problem in and of itself but the fact that he plays Zerg, almost guarantees that he won't reach top4 of any given tournament. Sjow, I think is a great guy but his approach to scouting and adapting to his opponent is a big gaping hole in his gameplay. Zealot backdoor rush you can scout and adapt to very easily, and im not even talking about the whole SCV scout thing, he generally prefers to do his thing instead of checking out what his opponent does and then abusing that.

Ok Nostradamus the best tournament player in Europe losing to two lesser known players is not a surprise to you. He is the most consistent player there is based on results. His style and skill have proven to be more consistent than any other player in Europe.

Anyone can lose. Play some poker and you'll understand this concept better.


the best tournament player in europe XD
o-kay

He's the guy in Europe with most Tournament wins (Or atleast most heavily weighted titles). I dont know how you define 'best tournament player' but my definition would be atleast based on fact.
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