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On February 12 2011 03:23 butch wrote:
That's just the state of the game (pun intended), everyone can win a big tournament, upsets are bound to happen, it all depends on who has a good/bad day.
ul for sjow, hopefully he can turn it around @ IEM
I'm actually surprised and glad at how few upsets there have been. The only ones really are Sjow and Darkforce.
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does anyone think that group P is most interesting?
Only player that I don't know about is Virus.Magik, other 3 are very good. I hope casters will focus on this group.
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On February 12 2011 03:31 Enervate wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2011 03:23 butch wrote:
That's just the state of the game (pun intended), everyone can win a big tournament, upsets are bound to happen, it all depends on who has a good/bad day.
ul for sjow, hopefully he can turn it around @ IEM I'm actually surprised and glad at how few upsets there have been. The only ones really are Sjow and Darkforce.
Well, they might've been upsets to the public eye but IMO, both players have pretty huge flaws in their gameplay and I'm not surprised that they got booted in the groupstage. Darkforce I just think is a plain bad player, which is not a problem in and of itself but the fact that he plays Zerg, almost guarantees that he won't reach top4 of any given tournament. Sjow, I think is a great guy but his approach to scouting and adapting to his opponent is a big gaping hole in his gameplay. Zealot backdoor rush you can scout and adapt to very easily, and im not even talking about the whole SCV scout thing, he generally prefers to do his thing instead of checking out what his opponent does and then abusing that.
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On February 12 2011 03:36 ChickenLips wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2011 03:31 Enervate wrote:On February 12 2011 03:23 butch wrote:
That's just the state of the game (pun intended), everyone can win a big tournament, upsets are bound to happen, it all depends on who has a good/bad day.
ul for sjow, hopefully he can turn it around @ IEM I'm actually surprised and glad at how few upsets there have been. The only ones really are Sjow and Darkforce. Well, they might've been upsets to the public eye but IMO, both players have pretty huge flaws in their gameplay and I'm not surprised that they got booted in the groupstage. Darkforce I just think is a plain bad player, which is not a problem in and of itself but the fact that he plays Zerg, almost guarantees that he won't reach top4 of any given tournament. Sjow, I think is a great guy but his approach to scouting and adapting to his opponent is a big gaping hole in his gameplay. Zealot backdoor rush you can scout and adapt to very easily, and im not even talking about the whole SCV scout thing, he generally prefers to do his thing instead of checking out what his opponent does and then abusing that.
oh please stop ... It looked like Sjow just had a bad day and Darkforce lost both BO3 1-2 with a ZvT on Jungle Basin against Kas and as far as I know there were some All-Ins in the ZvZ matches, he definitely isn't "plain bad".
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On February 12 2011 03:36 ChickenLips wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2011 03:31 Enervate wrote:On February 12 2011 03:23 butch wrote:
That's just the state of the game (pun intended), everyone can win a big tournament, upsets are bound to happen, it all depends on who has a good/bad day.
ul for sjow, hopefully he can turn it around @ IEM I'm actually surprised and glad at how few upsets there have been. The only ones really are Sjow and Darkforce. Well, they might've been upsets to the public eye but IMO, both players have pretty huge flaws in their gameplay and I'm not surprised that they got booted in the groupstage. Darkforce I just think is a plain bad player, which is not a problem in and of itself but the fact that he plays Zerg, almost guarantees that he won't reach top4 of any given tournament. Sjow, I think is a great guy but his approach to scouting and adapting to his opponent is a big gaping hole in his gameplay. Zealot backdoor rush you can scout and adapt to very easily, and im not even talking about the whole SCV scout thing, he generally prefers to do his thing instead of checking out what his opponent does and then abusing that.
Ok Nostradamus the best tournament player in Europe losing to two lesser known players is not a surprise to you. He is the most consistent player there is based on results. His style and skill have proven to be more consistent than any other player in Europe.
Anyone can lose. Play some poker and you'll understand this concept better.
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On February 12 2011 03:35 DBrave wrote:
does anyone think that group P is most interesting?
Only player that I don't know about is Virus.Magik, other 3 are very good. I hope casters will focus on this group.
Most interesting? Yes, i think so, too. But why do you think Grubby is very good? I'm sure he will become very strong but he hasn't show anything so far.
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On February 12 2011 03:42 KiNGxXx wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2011 03:35 DBrave wrote:
does anyone think that group P is most interesting?
Only player that I don't know about is Virus.Magik, other 3 are very good. I hope casters will focus on this group. Most interesting? Yes, i think so, too. But why do you think Grubby is very good? I'm sure he will become very strong but he hasn't show anything so far.
I agree  I think Grubby will be lucky to win a match.
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On February 12 2011 03:41 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2011 03:36 ChickenLips wrote:On February 12 2011 03:31 Enervate wrote:On February 12 2011 03:23 butch wrote:
That's just the state of the game (pun intended), everyone can win a big tournament, upsets are bound to happen, it all depends on who has a good/bad day.
ul for sjow, hopefully he can turn it around @ IEM I'm actually surprised and glad at how few upsets there have been. The only ones really are Sjow and Darkforce. Well, they might've been upsets to the public eye but IMO, both players have pretty huge flaws in their gameplay and I'm not surprised that they got booted in the groupstage. Darkforce I just think is a plain bad player, which is not a problem in and of itself but the fact that he plays Zerg, almost guarantees that he won't reach top4 of any given tournament. Sjow, I think is a great guy but his approach to scouting and adapting to his opponent is a big gaping hole in his gameplay. Zealot backdoor rush you can scout and adapt to very easily, and im not even talking about the whole SCV scout thing, he generally prefers to do his thing instead of checking out what his opponent does and then abusing that. Ok Nostradamus the best tournament player in Europe losing to two lesser known players is not a surprise to you. He is the most consistent player there is based on results. His style and skill have proven to be more consistent than any other player in Europe.Anyone can lose. Play some poker and you'll understand this concept better.
Just point to the fact that Flash was knocked out of both MSL and OSL this season and your point will be crystal clear. 
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@KiNGxXx :
yea you are right.
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On February 12 2011 03:41 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2011 03:36 ChickenLips wrote:On February 12 2011 03:31 Enervate wrote:On February 12 2011 03:23 butch wrote:
That's just the state of the game (pun intended), everyone can win a big tournament, upsets are bound to happen, it all depends on who has a good/bad day.
ul for sjow, hopefully he can turn it around @ IEM I'm actually surprised and glad at how few upsets there have been. The only ones really are Sjow and Darkforce. Well, they might've been upsets to the public eye but IMO, both players have pretty huge flaws in their gameplay and I'm not surprised that they got booted in the groupstage. Darkforce I just think is a plain bad player, which is not a problem in and of itself but the fact that he plays Zerg, almost guarantees that he won't reach top4 of any given tournament. Sjow, I think is a great guy but his approach to scouting and adapting to his opponent is a big gaping hole in his gameplay. Zealot backdoor rush you can scout and adapt to very easily, and im not even talking about the whole SCV scout thing, he generally prefers to do his thing instead of checking out what his opponent does and then abusing that. Ok Nostradamus the best tournament player in Europe losing to two lesser known players is not a surprise to you. He is the most consistent player there is based on results. His style and skill have proven to be more consistent than any other player in Europe.Anyone can lose. Play some poker and you'll understand this concept better.
the best tournament player in europe XD
o-kay
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On February 12 2011 03:40 vdale wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2011 03:36 ChickenLips wrote:On February 12 2011 03:31 Enervate wrote:On February 12 2011 03:23 butch wrote:
That's just the state of the game (pun intended), everyone can win a big tournament, upsets are bound to happen, it all depends on who has a good/bad day.
ul for sjow, hopefully he can turn it around @ IEM I'm actually surprised and glad at how few upsets there have been. The only ones really are Sjow and Darkforce. Well, they might've been upsets to the public eye but IMO, both players have pretty huge flaws in their gameplay and I'm not surprised that they got booted in the groupstage. Darkforce I just think is a plain bad player, which is not a problem in and of itself but the fact that he plays Zerg, almost guarantees that he won't reach top4 of any given tournament. Sjow, I think is a great guy but his approach to scouting and adapting to his opponent is a big gaping hole in his gameplay. Zealot backdoor rush you can scout and adapt to very easily, and im not even talking about the whole SCV scout thing, he generally prefers to do his thing instead of checking out what his opponent does and then abusing that. oh please stop ... It looked like Sjow just had a bad day and Darkforce lost both BO3 1-2 with a ZvT on Jungle Basin against Kas and as far as I know there were some All-Ins in the ZvZ matches, he definitely isn't "plain bad".
ye and by the way darkforce is still a top3 zerg in the eu ladder together with dimaga and morrow.
he cant be that bad
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On February 12 2011 03:45 kyla wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2011 03:41 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On February 12 2011 03:36 ChickenLips wrote:On February 12 2011 03:31 Enervate wrote:On February 12 2011 03:23 butch wrote:
That's just the state of the game (pun intended), everyone can win a big tournament, upsets are bound to happen, it all depends on who has a good/bad day.
ul for sjow, hopefully he can turn it around @ IEM I'm actually surprised and glad at how few upsets there have been. The only ones really are Sjow and Darkforce. Well, they might've been upsets to the public eye but IMO, both players have pretty huge flaws in their gameplay and I'm not surprised that they got booted in the groupstage. Darkforce I just think is a plain bad player, which is not a problem in and of itself but the fact that he plays Zerg, almost guarantees that he won't reach top4 of any given tournament. Sjow, I think is a great guy but his approach to scouting and adapting to his opponent is a big gaping hole in his gameplay. Zealot backdoor rush you can scout and adapt to very easily, and im not even talking about the whole SCV scout thing, he generally prefers to do his thing instead of checking out what his opponent does and then abusing that. Ok Nostradamus the best tournament player in Europe losing to two lesser known players is not a surprise to you. He is the most consistent player there is based on results. His style and skill have proven to be more consistent than any other player in Europe.Anyone can lose. Play some poker and you'll understand this concept better. the best tournament player in europe XD o-kay
He said most consistent not best. Those aren't necessarily the same.
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On February 12 2011 03:44 Holgerius wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2011 03:41 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On February 12 2011 03:36 ChickenLips wrote:On February 12 2011 03:31 Enervate wrote:On February 12 2011 03:23 butch wrote:
That's just the state of the game (pun intended), everyone can win a big tournament, upsets are bound to happen, it all depends on who has a good/bad day.
ul for sjow, hopefully he can turn it around @ IEM I'm actually surprised and glad at how few upsets there have been. The only ones really are Sjow and Darkforce. Well, they might've been upsets to the public eye but IMO, both players have pretty huge flaws in their gameplay and I'm not surprised that they got booted in the groupstage. Darkforce I just think is a plain bad player, which is not a problem in and of itself but the fact that he plays Zerg, almost guarantees that he won't reach top4 of any given tournament. Sjow, I think is a great guy but his approach to scouting and adapting to his opponent is a big gaping hole in his gameplay. Zealot backdoor rush you can scout and adapt to very easily, and im not even talking about the whole SCV scout thing, he generally prefers to do his thing instead of checking out what his opponent does and then abusing that. Ok Nostradamus the best tournament player in Europe losing to two lesser known players is not a surprise to you. He is the most consistent player there is based on results. His style and skill have proven to be more consistent than any other player in Europe.Anyone can lose. Play some poker and you'll understand this concept better. Just point to the fact that Flash was knocked out of both MSL and OSL this season and your point will be crystal clear.
But Flash has huge flaws in his game play, I'm not surprised! :D
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In usual ignorant British way, I can't speak or understand a word of German.
The Khalor stream is funny because to me it sounds like this....
"Ichez veen diffalackalack JAILBREAK THE FLASH sminer leeth kanz kanz reighter ANDROID FOR THE WIN!! dotchen slanglang voya ledy DAY NINE DAILY FUNDAY MONDAY..."
I don't mean offence, I'm an ignorant English only speaker.
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On February 12 2011 03:47 GP wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2011 03:44 Holgerius wrote:On February 12 2011 03:41 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On February 12 2011 03:36 ChickenLips wrote:On February 12 2011 03:31 Enervate wrote:On February 12 2011 03:23 butch wrote:
That's just the state of the game (pun intended), everyone can win a big tournament, upsets are bound to happen, it all depends on who has a good/bad day.
ul for sjow, hopefully he can turn it around @ IEM I'm actually surprised and glad at how few upsets there have been. The only ones really are Sjow and Darkforce. Well, they might've been upsets to the public eye but IMO, both players have pretty huge flaws in their gameplay and I'm not surprised that they got booted in the groupstage. Darkforce I just think is a plain bad player, which is not a problem in and of itself but the fact that he plays Zerg, almost guarantees that he won't reach top4 of any given tournament. Sjow, I think is a great guy but his approach to scouting and adapting to his opponent is a big gaping hole in his gameplay. Zealot backdoor rush you can scout and adapt to very easily, and im not even talking about the whole SCV scout thing, he generally prefers to do his thing instead of checking out what his opponent does and then abusing that. Ok Nostradamus the best tournament player in Europe losing to two lesser known players is not a surprise to you. He is the most consistent player there is based on results. His style and skill have proven to be more consistent than any other player in Europe.Anyone can lose. Play some poker and you'll understand this concept better. Just point to the fact that Flash was knocked out of both MSL and OSL this season and your point will be crystal clear. But Flash has huge flaws in his game play, I'm not surprised! :D
If you manage to point out obvious flaws in his play you're a genius. XD
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On February 12 2011 03:45 kyla wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2011 03:41 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On February 12 2011 03:36 ChickenLips wrote:On February 12 2011 03:31 Enervate wrote:On February 12 2011 03:23 butch wrote:
That's just the state of the game (pun intended), everyone can win a big tournament, upsets are bound to happen, it all depends on who has a good/bad day.
ul for sjow, hopefully he can turn it around @ IEM I'm actually surprised and glad at how few upsets there have been. The only ones really are Sjow and Darkforce. Well, they might've been upsets to the public eye but IMO, both players have pretty huge flaws in their gameplay and I'm not surprised that they got booted in the groupstage. Darkforce I just think is a plain bad player, which is not a problem in and of itself but the fact that he plays Zerg, almost guarantees that he won't reach top4 of any given tournament. Sjow, I think is a great guy but his approach to scouting and adapting to his opponent is a big gaping hole in his gameplay. Zealot backdoor rush you can scout and adapt to very easily, and im not even talking about the whole SCV scout thing, he generally prefers to do his thing instead of checking out what his opponent does and then abusing that. Ok Nostradamus the best tournament player in Europe losing to two lesser known players is not a surprise to you. He is the most consistent player there is based on results. His style and skill have proven to be more consistent than any other player in Europe.Anyone can lose. Play some poker and you'll understand this concept better. the best tournament player in europe XD o-kay
Maybe you haven't seen his tournament results. I suggest you look into it.
 SjoW
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On February 12 2011 03:41 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2011 03:36 ChickenLips wrote:On February 12 2011 03:31 Enervate wrote:On February 12 2011 03:23 butch wrote:
That's just the state of the game (pun intended), everyone can win a big tournament, upsets are bound to happen, it all depends on who has a good/bad day.
ul for sjow, hopefully he can turn it around @ IEM I'm actually surprised and glad at how few upsets there have been. The only ones really are Sjow and Darkforce. Well, they might've been upsets to the public eye but IMO, both players have pretty huge flaws in their gameplay and I'm not surprised that they got booted in the groupstage. Darkforce I just think is a plain bad player, which is not a problem in and of itself but the fact that he plays Zerg, almost guarantees that he won't reach top4 of any given tournament. Sjow, I think is a great guy but his approach to scouting and adapting to his opponent is a big gaping hole in his gameplay. Zealot backdoor rush you can scout and adapt to very easily, and im not even talking about the whole SCV scout thing, he generally prefers to do his thing instead of checking out what his opponent does and then abusing that. Ok Nostradamus the best tournament player in Europe losing to two lesser known players is not a surprise to you. He is the most consistent player there is based on results. His style and skill have proven to be more consistent than any other player in Europe.Anyone can lose. Play some poker and you'll understand this concept better.
I would argue that there are few others that are similarly consistent. Also lately it seems his lack of scouting is starting to get abused, but you are right that this loss does not really mean that much and people are overreacting.
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On February 12 2011 03:47 nihlon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2011 03:45 kyla wrote:On February 12 2011 03:41 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On February 12 2011 03:36 ChickenLips wrote:On February 12 2011 03:31 Enervate wrote:On February 12 2011 03:23 butch wrote:
That's just the state of the game (pun intended), everyone can win a big tournament, upsets are bound to happen, it all depends on who has a good/bad day.
ul for sjow, hopefully he can turn it around @ IEM I'm actually surprised and glad at how few upsets there have been. The only ones really are Sjow and Darkforce. Well, they might've been upsets to the public eye but IMO, both players have pretty huge flaws in their gameplay and I'm not surprised that they got booted in the groupstage. Darkforce I just think is a plain bad player, which is not a problem in and of itself but the fact that he plays Zerg, almost guarantees that he won't reach top4 of any given tournament. Sjow, I think is a great guy but his approach to scouting and adapting to his opponent is a big gaping hole in his gameplay. Zealot backdoor rush you can scout and adapt to very easily, and im not even talking about the whole SCV scout thing, he generally prefers to do his thing instead of checking out what his opponent does and then abusing that. Ok Nostradamus the best tournament player in Europe losing to two lesser known players is not a surprise to you. He is the most consistent player there is based on results. His style and skill have proven to be more consistent than any other player in Europe.Anyone can lose. Play some poker and you'll understand this concept better. the best tournament player in europe XD o-kay He said most consistent not best. Those aren't necessarily the same.
he said both xd i know that its not the same.
when we talk about consistent euros i rather think of kas or white-ra for example
but well if you like someone you defend him eventually and everyone has its own opinion
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On February 12 2011 03:45 kyla wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2011 03:41 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On February 12 2011 03:36 ChickenLips wrote:On February 12 2011 03:31 Enervate wrote:On February 12 2011 03:23 butch wrote:
That's just the state of the game (pun intended), everyone can win a big tournament, upsets are bound to happen, it all depends on who has a good/bad day.
ul for sjow, hopefully he can turn it around @ IEM I'm actually surprised and glad at how few upsets there have been. The only ones really are Sjow and Darkforce. Well, they might've been upsets to the public eye but IMO, both players have pretty huge flaws in their gameplay and I'm not surprised that they got booted in the groupstage. Darkforce I just think is a plain bad player, which is not a problem in and of itself but the fact that he plays Zerg, almost guarantees that he won't reach top4 of any given tournament. Sjow, I think is a great guy but his approach to scouting and adapting to his opponent is a big gaping hole in his gameplay. Zealot backdoor rush you can scout and adapt to very easily, and im not even talking about the whole SCV scout thing, he generally prefers to do his thing instead of checking out what his opponent does and then abusing that. Ok Nostradamus the best tournament player in Europe losing to two lesser known players is not a surprise to you. He is the most consistent player there is based on results. His style and skill have proven to be more consistent than any other player in Europe.Anyone can lose. Play some poker and you'll understand this concept better. the best tournament player in europe XD o-kay
He's the guy in Europe with most Tournament wins (Or atleast most heavily weighted titles). I dont know how you define 'best tournament player' but my definition would be atleast based on fact.
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