"Carrier Has Arrived" Refreshing New PvZ Strategy - Page 9

On March 19 2011 15:30 Aterons_toss wrote:
What do you do if the zerg just produces corruptors and some mutas to pick off the zealots :p ?

On March 19 2011 15:41 Splendour wrote:
I don't see carriers ever coming into the metagame of pvz. It's just that voidrays are better as they don't take bonus damage from corruptors.
Also the thread is largely about phoenix-based armies - as we've seen from moon vs ace in the finals of iem, hydra corruptor armies crush that pretty badly. And if zerg makes an infestor you can no longer harass with the phoenixes.
Opting for a 3 gate expansion before starting the stargates is really...inefficient. Not to mention that it relies too much on zerg not scouting them in time.

On March 19 2011 16:20 michaelhasanalias wrote:
I apologize if someone has asked this in the 9 pages of discussion, but how do you respond to ling/baneling/queen heavy play?

Mass queens will shit on 3/3 max supply air (not saying that's viable at all or that you'd stick with your strat if you saw that), and how do you deal with mass baneling/ling? Do carriers have the dps to stop an attack like this?

Also, how about corrupter/bling/ling/queen or something similar?

Thanks for your reply.

On March 19 2011 15:28 Hierarch wrote:


You blindly make hydras? How many hydras will you have and at what time are you attempting to attack (off creep since you won't have creep up to my base)? Also I don't even get carriers until my 3rd base is up so that won't be a problem.

On March 19 2011 19:23 freetgy wrote:
well i don't see you holding any decent early aggression i.e. burrow roach timing
you have no scouting info until you get your phoenix, thus never can properly react to what you oponnent may throw at you.

your friend doesn't seem to be an aggressiv type, which allows you to safely expand and transition into air, he then again does the mistake of staying the defender against harass type play.

I want to see you holding an aggressiv gameplay with that before beliving it beeing viable.

On March 19 2011 18:56 DiaBoLuS wrote:
you can try to defend your build, but it wont work after all on a competetive lvl twice.

On March 19 2011 18:48 DaCruise wrote:


Yeah I always make hydras against toss. Lately I have been skipping roaches completely to get faster lair and more hydras instead. With enough hydras I can attack off creep and still succeed because you wont have that deadly forcefield/colossi combo.

On March 19 2011 22:54 Herr_Trichter wrote:
I read through the first 4 Pages on this thread and there was almost no comment on the fact that zerg has infestors!!

I assume a typical game where toss goes 3 gate sentry expand and zerg goes 14 pool 16 hatch 17 gas queen and then get lingspeed and some roaches. If z doenst make any lings but 6-7 roaches and a spine p cant apply any pressure with his zealot sentry army at all so z will get a huge dronelead (when expo is up its like 30-35 probes to 40-50 drones). Zerg will poke with a pair of lings and see army composition. If he doesnt see a good stalker count by the time he will assume robo or stargate (if there are cannons stargate is more likely=- with oversser or overlordspeed he can get a full scout on protoss base. Toss can get hallucination to get a full scout aswell. So both players know what the other is doing by that point (8-9 min or something)

Thats the basis for the midgame where p has the plan to go heavy phenix, voidray into carrier.

I am a 3.5k master zerg and i would do the following: after scouting 2 stargates ill get a 3rd, alot extra queens (i am at 2 or 3 and will get another 4 or 6 or even more if p just masses air and doenst attacks), 4+ infestors, double evo,1 spore each in the minerals (mb another one in the front of my base if i expect voidrays) and spread creep towards my 3rd. Have u ever tried to micro phenix vs infestors ? U wont get even close to the zergs creep cuz one fungal growth can make u loose all your phenix - and if this happens though its game over!! (zerg will take 4th denie your 3rd and will kill u with whatever he likes). 1 Infestor at each base burrowed will just shut down any phenix herass completly and make u loose everything if u dare to get to close to the mineral line even once.

Have u ever tried to use Voidrays vs queens and infestor? Its not a good idea! Queens outrange voidrays and its almost impossible to kill queens with voids only when zerg uses transfuse (assuming something like 5-6 queens vs 4-6 voids). If zerg player casts one fungal on your voidrays the will just die miserable without even fighting back (in the 8 seconds the fungal lasts other infestors can arrive and continue casting it). If u loose your initial voidrays its game over - p wont come back from that.

And on top of that: Chargelots are not as good vs roach or hydra when they have a shitload of mushrooms on theire heads and wont move an inch.

The infestor just couners every single unit of your composition until u get hightemplar or colossus.... Herasse based stargate play gets killed so hard by infestors its not even funny.

I think that 4 phenix herass is a very good opening after forge expand and i think that phenix are a very very strong counter to mutalisks. But mass phenix herassment wont work on zerg that know how to press the f key for inFestor and Fungal.

I dont have any replay cuz no toss ever tried to do that vs me yet. But fell free to challenge me

On March 19 2011 22:54 Herr_Trichter wrote:
I read through the first 4 Pages on this thread and there was almost no comment on the fact that zerg has infestors!!

I assume a typical game where toss goes 3 gate sentry expand and zerg goes 14 pool 16 hatch 17 gas queen and then get lingspeed and some roaches. If z doenst make any lings but 6-7 roaches and a spine p cant apply any pressure with his zealot sentry army at all so z will get a huge dronelead (when expo is up its like 30-35 probes to 40-50 drones). Zerg will poke with a pair of lings and see army composition. If he doesnt see a good stalker count by the time he will assume robo or stargate (if there are cannons stargate is more likely=- with oversser or overlordspeed he can get a full scout on protoss base. Toss can get hallucination to get a full scout aswell. So both players know what the other is doing by that point (8-9 min or something)

Thats the basis for the midgame where p has the plan to go heavy phenix, voidray into carrier.

I am a 3.5k master zerg and i would do the following: after scouting 2 stargates ill get a 3rd, alot extra queens (i am at 2 or 3 and will get another 4 or 6 or even more if p just masses air and doenst attacks), 4+ infestors, double evo,1 spore each in the minerals (mb another one in the front of my base if i expect voidrays) and spread creep towards my 3rd. Have u ever tried to micro phenix vs infestors ? U wont get even close to the zergs creep cuz one fungal growth can make u loose all your phenix - and if this happens though its game over!! (zerg will take 4th denie your 3rd and will kill u with whatever he likes). 1 Infestor at each base burrowed will just shut down any phenix herass completly and make u loose everything if u dare to get to close to the mineral line even once.

Have u ever tried to use Voidrays vs queens and infestor? Its not a good idea! Queens outrange voidrays and its almost impossible to kill queens with voids only when zerg uses transfuse (assuming something like 5-6 queens vs 4-6 voids). If zerg player casts one fungal on your voidrays the will just die miserable without even fighting back (in the 8 seconds the fungal lasts other infestors can arrive and continue casting it). If u loose your initial voidrays its game over - p wont come back from that.

And on top of that: Chargelots are not as good vs roach or hydra when they have a shitload of mushrooms on theire heads and wont move an inch.

The infestor just couners every single unit of your composition until u get hightemplar or colossus.... Herasse based stargate play gets killed so hard by infestors its not even funny.

I think that 4 phenix herass is a very good opening after forge expand and i think that phenix are a very very strong counter to mutalisks. But mass phenix herassment wont work on zerg that know how to press the f key for inFestor and Fungal.

I dont have any replay cuz no toss ever tried to do that vs me yet. But fell free to challenge me

On March 20 2011 00:30 Elean wrote:
Why not forge FE instead of 3 gate expend ?

On March 20 2011 02:37 worldsnap wrote:
I can't test this because I'm at work, but does fungal grown affect interceptors?

On March 20 2011 02:37 worldsnap wrote:
I can't test this because I'm at work, but does fungal grown affect interceptors?

On March 20 2011 02:47 -Jacob- wrote:
Carriers work out great for Zerg. I've started opening with 3 gate stalkers + expand then straight into carriers.If you can hide your stargates and get 2 carriers out before you attack with a stalker army it really throws your opponent off gaurd and usually results in a win.