EPTAsk a 1850pt Random Diamond Cheeser anything. - Page 4
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thesauceishot
Canada333 Posts
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nullflow
Norway4 Posts
I've tried and tried for several hours/days! I've tried to cannon rush them, i've tried to fly to an island and build battlecrusiers, I've tried with banshees, i've tried to build up a big bio-ball while guarding my base with bunkers and all that stuff, but I always get overrun! Please helppppp... | ||
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RedFrogs
Australia12 Posts
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TheRealzz
150 Posts
I then show up at his base with Zerg early aggression; however when I do get my lings inside his base be it T or P. I seem to lose what I should focus. So when I am in there base and have dealt to his mini army and am streaming zergs into his base should I focus on supply units i.e. pylons or depots or worker harass and move when they try attack ? I just know that I have given 3-4 games away that I had in the bagg just didn't do the right thing? Please tell me what is the best strat in this situation? So when this fails I had expanded during this phase; if tries push I can hold just if he expands he takes a clear lead. Then pushes later and ROFLstomps me QQ. | ||
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iAmJeffReY
United States4262 Posts
Classic. Now he thinks he's the cheese expert. The best part? In my last 20-30 solo games, 2 have been cheese. The same person did both. A 2.5k total games protoss that ONLY cheeses. He lost easily, as he had no clue how to play. Hifriend, you're just an idiot. Cheese is less common the higher up you go, as people can stop it easier, or react to it better. People opt for macro games, at least an expansion, because the age of 1 base all in is at least slowing down. The worst part of this thread is the losers who are begging to learn new cheese strategies because they can't micro or macro and want to be able to say 'I'M 1800 DIAMOND!!!' Best way to cheese? Forget it and move on to the next game. Vs random, always wall faster than normal and scout earlier than normal. Don't listen to idiots like hifriend who act as if they know EVERYTHING about the ladder because of the slim section of people he plays. | ||
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hifriend
China7935 Posts
On November 20 2010 23:18 iAmJeffReY wrote: Hifriend is such a troll. The guy cracks me up. Makes a topic a long time ago about how he's done, everything is cheese at 1600 diamond and higher. Classic. Now he thinks he's the cheese expert. The best part? In my last 20-30 solo games, 2 have been cheese. The same person did both. A 2.5k total games protoss that ONLY cheeses. He lost easily, as he had no clue how to play. Hifriend, you're just an idiot. Cheese is less common the higher up you go, as people can stop it easier, or react to it better. People opt for macro games, at least an expansion, because the age of 1 base all in is at least slowing down. The worst part of this thread is the losers who are begging to learn new cheese strategies because they can't micro or macro and want to be able to say 'I'M 1800 DIAMOND!!!' Best way to cheese? Forget it and move on to the next game. Vs random, always wall faster than normal and scout earlier than normal. Don't listen to idiots like hifriend who act as if they know EVERYTHING about the ladder because of the slim section of people he plays. Lol, I don't understand what you're getting at? I mean I know for a fact I face k4wg or 5 stalker approximately 2/3s of my PvP's and 7roach/6pool/5roach about half of my pvz's. I'm sorry we don't share the same experience of the ladder I guess? I can easily conclude that these are viable strategies not only from the fact that they exist at 1900, but also from my own experience of utilizing them. And fyi you should try cheesing and see what it's like. I'm sure you'll be positively surprised. | ||
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Shadrak
United States490 Posts
On November 20 2010 11:51 Eknoid4 wrote: 1850 isn't high anymore just so you know. It's like upper medium. I prefer to think of it as low high  Anyway, being cheesed by a random player on a 4 player map is extremely annoying. However, you can always do something to prevent it. As Protoss, I always build my wall as if I'm facing Zerg when I get a random opponent. That wall is fine against Toss cheese as well and the slight disadvantage against Terran is usually overcome by the fact that random players are seldom as good at their 3 races as those who play exclusively 1 (in my experience). On another note, I always enjoy cheesing someone who is random simply because I hate not knowing what my opponent is when planning my first couple buildings  | ||
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agtemd
Canada362 Posts
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DNB
Finland995 Posts
I'm a random player myself too, but not a cheeser. But I still don't get it why people hate them. | ||
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Durp
Canada3117 Posts
Fruitdealer 6 pooled in GSL 1 and won. CheckPrime 6 pooled in GSL 2 and lost. As Spunky put it in the interview during the OGS/LIQUID house walkthrough- sometimes cheeseing in a game 1 (tourney setting obv) is a good strategy, because it throws your opponent off his game going into phase 2. Cheese is no judgement of skill, maybe of character. Get over the cheese hate- when you're good enough, you'll be beaming every time you scout a 6 pool or 7RR. If you know how to execute them/beat them, they're free wins every time. I have not lost to a 7 roach rush in any of the 15 or so ladder games I've seen it on. Scouting FTW | ||
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iAmJeffReY
United States4262 Posts
Any, friend, its because you play protoss. Every PvP is cheesy to get done quick. PvZ is broken so what else can ya expect. 7RR isn't cheese, it's a standard opening that allows transition. You definition of cheese is something you don't think is standard, or is hard for you to beat. I have a protoss friend who doesn't play anymore because he can't forge FE vs zerg anymore. He, like you, refuses to adapt and got seduced by the dart art of trying to win fast. That's why every pro says NA server is different from the rest, because clowns like you try to just get wins, not to learn and get better. | ||
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Snuggles
United States1865 Posts
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Deadlyfish
Denmark1980 Posts
On November 21 2010 00:51 DNB wrote: What's with all the hate? Cheese is still a strategy. I'm a random player myself too, but not a cheeser. But I still don't get it why people hate them. Uhh, cause 5min games arent really fun to play? I dont know anyone who thinks they are. Afterall i am playing this game to entertain myself, so yea. I sometimes think that i should cheese, but whenever i do cheese it just feel boring, and it feel like i'm not getting better at the game. How hard are 6 pools or super early cloaked banshees to pull off? Very easy, so why do them? My goal is to get better, not to win. Well i guess i want to win aswell, but not at the cost of never getting better or see myself improving. | ||
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hifriend
China7935 Posts
On November 21 2010 00:54 iAmJeffReY wrote: I have more fun beating cheesers with nice micro and to draw out a long macro game to let them see how bad they truly are. Any, friend, its because you play protoss. Every PvP is cheesy to get done quick. PvZ is broken so what else can ya expect. 7RR isn't cheese, it's a standard opening that allows transition. You definition of cheese is something you don't think is standard, or is hard for you to beat. I have a protoss friend who doesn't play anymore because he can't forge FE vs zerg anymore. He, like you, refuses to adapt and got seduced by the dart art of trying to win fast. That's why every pro says NA server is different from the rest, because clowns like you try to just get wins, not to learn and get better. I don't play on the NA server though. I know 7roach isn't considered cheese by a lot of people because it's somewhat effective despite getting scouted and has good followups, but I have had zergs bring all their drones with a 7roach + 2 reinforced to try and end the game right there and then. :O Tbh I just mix in cheese with my play because they are relatively easy wins and so by definition extremely viable builds for the purpose (which is laddering). To anyone who's having problem dealing with cheese I can highly recommend learning a couple of cheeses of your own, because cheesing will dramatically improve you micro by tenfolds. You're basically putting yourself in a situation in those games where you're going to have to get the maximum potential out of only a couple of units and you're relying on micro to get the win. Excellent practice, despite common belief. | ||
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cocosoft
Sweden1068 Posts
~1500 macro Random player | ||
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TALegion
United States1187 Posts
On November 20 2010 09:11 Competent wrote: How do you live with yourself. | ||
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Shadrak
United States490 Posts
On November 21 2010 01:00 Snuggles wrote: How BM do cheesers get when they lose? Or do they leave the game before their opponent can say anything? I don't cheese that often but when I do (and it fails) I always congratulate my opponent. It takes very good micro and decision making to beat a good PvP cheese so I think grats are in order | ||
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QQmonster
Canada240 Posts
assuming he's hidden his tech that is. Another one I have trouble with is if I scout the twilight council but nothing else, I don't know if he's going for blink stalker cheese or teching to DT's. When I scout the council I usually respond by putting turrets around my perimeter to kill observers before the stalkers can blink, and so I can see DT's. | ||
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riesza
66 Posts
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DNB
Finland995 Posts
On November 21 2010 01:02 Deadlyfish wrote: Uhh, cause 5min games arent really fun to play? I dont know anyone who thinks they are. Afterall i am playing this game to entertain myself, so yea. I sometimes think that i should cheese, but whenever i do cheese it just feel boring, and it feel like i'm not getting better at the game. How hard are 6 pools or super early cloaked banshees to pull off? Very easy, so why do them? My goal is to get better, not to win. Well i guess i want to win aswell, but not at the cost of never getting better or see myself improving. What makes you think cheesers are not getting better? Some cheeses can be pretty darn deadly when executed well. | ||
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