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LagT_T
Profile Joined March 2010
Argentina535 Posts
November 20 2010 16:36 GMT
#81
I'm finding very hard to stop 6pools on 4 players maps when I scout zerg late (probe scouts on 9 but maybe I missed the overlord feint or cross spawns). Any suggestions?
"The tactics... no. Amateurs discuss tactics, professional soldiers study logistics." - Tom Clancy, Red Storm Rising
ReachTheSky
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3294 Posts
November 20 2010 16:37 GMT
#82
How does it feel to not actually know how to play the game at a REAL level? ;P
TL+ Member
megagoten
Profile Joined October 2010
318 Posts
November 20 2010 17:06 GMT
#83
how's your macro?
Kazang
Profile Joined August 2010
578 Posts
November 20 2010 17:11 GMT
#84
"We're gonna get cheesed."
"What's "cheesed" sarge?"
"Well, it's like being creamed but it takes longer."
Bonkerz
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States831 Posts
November 20 2010 17:13 GMT
#85
Okay so, I get cheesed by protoss all the fucking time... Im a terran...

So after my 10 depot i scout, If i see a protoss base empty then i know theres like 2 gateways warping in at my main. How can I stop this. I usually find it just when I am getting my rax up, Even if i Focus Fire Pylons with marine and like 5 scv's I cant stop it. This shit annoys the hell out of me, and I so no way to stop it unless like around 8 supply I send and SCV around my base.


P.S. He put the pylon for his gates against a wall so i could get no surround :-//
High masters terran streaming in 720p 60 FPS with commentary and analysis after every game twitch.tv/bonkerz1
Avius
Profile Joined October 2007
Iraq1796 Posts
November 20 2010 17:24 GMT
#86
Somehow all your cheeses seem to only work against Protoss.


Problem?
aka. Samael
CptThule
Profile Joined October 2010
Greece5 Posts
November 20 2010 17:27 GMT
#87
@Bonkerz
If u face this type of cheese a lot u should make it a habbit to scout your base early.
You only need 2 scv's to do it.

At 8(almost 9) supply send one scv to scout half of the base and then build the depot at your ramp.This scv will proceed to scout your opponents base after the depot is done.
At 11 supply send a second scv to scout the rest of your base and then build the barracks at your ramp.
If you find a probe and a proxy pylon in your base,send 1 scv after the probe and 3 scv's to kill the pylon.
Bonkerz
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States831 Posts
November 20 2010 17:33 GMT
#88
On November 21 2010 02:27 CptThule wrote:
@Bonkerz
If u face this type of cheese a lot u should make it a habbit to scout your base early.
You only need 2 scv's to do it.

At 8(almost 9) supply send one scv to scout half of the base and then build the depot at your ramp.This scv will proceed to scout your opponents base after the depot is done.
At 11 supply send a second scv to scout the rest of your base and then build the barracks at your ramp.
If you find a probe and a proxy pylon in your base,send 1 scv after the probe and 3 scv's to kill the pylon.


Okay thanks, i mean, so the only real way to stop it is to sacrifice some mining time.... Okay thanks a ton.
High masters terran streaming in 720p 60 FPS with commentary and analysis after every game twitch.tv/bonkerz1
QQmonster
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada240 Posts
November 20 2010 17:51 GMT
#89
On November 21 2010 02:13 Bonkerz wrote:
Okay so, I get cheesed by protoss all the fucking time... Im a terran...

So after my 10 depot i scout, If i see a protoss base empty then i know theres like 2 gateways warping in at my main. How can I stop this. I usually find it just when I am getting my rax up, Even if i Focus Fire Pylons with marine and like 5 scv's I cant stop it. This shit annoys the hell out of me, and I so no way to stop it unless like around 8 supply I send and SCV around my base.


P.S. He put the pylon for his gates against a wall so i could get no surround :-//


you have to scout at the time when he just throws the pylon down. usually what I do is when my depot finishes I go check around my base, then you surround it with 3-4 scvs. allow him to keep throwing down pylons, and keep putting scvs on them, put 1 scv on his probe, then when your marine is out gogo as normal. He should never get his gateway powered long enough to get a zealot out or its too late. you're losing mining time, but hes losing money too, and if he's building everything in your base, when you kill it he will be behind on tech too, so you could technically just go straight to cloaked banshees, or just play a macro game.
EX-top 10 guildwars player yeye XD
Slayth
Profile Joined November 2010
United States325 Posts
November 20 2010 17:51 GMT
#90
Why are you pretending this is 4chan?
Fanclubs I'm in: Destiny, EGHuK, EGIdrA, IMNestea, LiquidTLO, LiquidJinro, IMLosira, TypePhoeNix, MvPDongRaeGu, STJuly, WhiteRa. "this is more fucked up than lord of the flies" - Tasteless , "WHEN THERE'S NO INTERNET, LAN ROCKS" - Lim Yo-Hwan
hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
November 20 2010 17:55 GMT
#91
On November 21 2010 02:51 Slayth wrote:
Why are you pretending this is 4chan?

TL sc2 strategy section is the starcraft equivalent of 4chan.
iAmJeffReY
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4262 Posts
November 20 2010 18:10 GMT
#92
On November 21 2010 02:13 Bonkerz wrote:
Okay so, I get cheesed by protoss all the fucking time... Im a terran...

So after my 10 depot i scout, If i see a protoss base empty then i know theres like 2 gateways warping in at my main. How can I stop this. I usually find it just when I am getting my rax up, Even if i Focus Fire Pylons with marine and like 5 scv's I cant stop it. This shit annoys the hell out of me, and I so no way to stop it unless like around 8 supply I send and SCV around my base.


P.S. He put the pylon for his gates against a wall so i could get no surround :-//

I go off micro at this point, personally. I cancel or take units off gas, make a 2nd rax, clump everything near main (which I start every game vs toss just for this reason until I see no cheese), I just go marine scv. 5-6 scvs to target the gateway or probe or pylon, anything. I go gateway. Then, have a bunker near your main that can hit all your buildings. Studder step the zealots all the way back to the bunker, pop out, do it again.

If that doesn't work, I get enough gas to make a couple marauders with shells as that ends any toss cheese rush.

hard to explain how to handle it, but 4-6 scvs + 3 marines can do a lot of damage with micro. Block his zealots with scvs, put hurt back on minerals fresh back out to fight INFRONT of marines.
Unbiased biased terran abuser Jeffrey. Sorry for the rage, friend!
Piledriver
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1697 Posts
November 20 2010 18:32 GMT
#93
From first hand experience, having been on both ends (the aggressor protoss and the defending terran) ,good bunker placement stops proxy gate cheese cold. You need atleast 2 bunkers in your mineral lines which are able to cover all your buildings.

However the only time I lost to it was when the protoss decided to get gas, and started getting warpgate tech + stalkers. He contained me long enough to get an expo running with cannons and then just proceeded to roll me over with his superior economy + tech. Was a frustrating game.
Envy fan since NTH.
ev8
Profile Joined October 2010
United States112 Posts
November 20 2010 18:38 GMT
#94
On November 20 2010 09:37 FarJeylZmun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2010 09:24 justle wrote:
Do you feel like spending those games cheesing has been a waste of time? Do you think you could be a better player if you would have spent them using real builds?


In perspective, StarCraft 2 is a waste of time. School is a waste of time. Work is a waste of time. Attracting mates is a waste of time.

So, what makes something not a waste of time? The answer to that question is very philisophical, but i've' came to the conclusion that as long as you're reaping rewards from it, then it no longer is a waste of time.

If by Waste you mean Use then yes.

You're constantly reaping invisible rewards from everything you do. Especially when you fail. So wash off the eye makeup.
"where are my uni- what are you - how are you doing? what are you doing?"
Coolcatqt
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom36 Posts
November 20 2010 18:44 GMT
#95
Why do you cheese? Isn't it more fun to improve?
Cute as a button :]
MrMoist
Profile Joined August 2010
United States72 Posts
November 20 2010 22:59 GMT
#96
Sorry guys, i went to bed last night after intense amount of cheese. anyway, QUESTION MARATHON!!!

On November 20 2010 12:23 Reborn8u wrote:
Do you get a lot of BM?
Whats the worst BM your opponent has said?
What sort of BM do you get a lot?


I once 12 droned a terran player and he just flew off into a the corner of the map and afked. I had to tech to mutas to kill him. Then after the game, he started spamming me.


On November 20 2010 12:46 TheBlueMeaner wrote:
¿have you ever felt the touch of a woman?


I wouldn't be playing starcraft if i have.


On November 20 2010 12:49 Zaurus wrote:
how do you even make online friends and have practice partners if you just cheese. I doubt anybody find any joy in training w u.


Everyone wants to know how to be able to cheese like me. You have no idea how fun it is to dual planetary fortress + bunker rush in 4v4

just watch that... doesn't it look so fun? =D

On November 20 2010 13:11 thesauceishot wrote:
PvP, best way to defend a proxy 2gate in your base?


When you see the pylon pop up, disregard it and dont' bother attacking it with your probes. save your chrono boost. As soon as you see him pop up a pylon, transition to two gate, and chrono your first few zealots. That's being said, you're probably only down 1 chrono boost from your opponent, so he won't have that much zealot advantage... however, you do have a massive probe advantage, and if you take off like 3 probes to attack the zealot along with your other zealots, you'll be fine.


On November 20 2010 21:16 nullflow wrote:
Outmatched: 1 vs 4 Very Hard A.I

I've tried and tried for several hours/days!
I've tried to cannon rush them, i've tried to fly to an island and build battlecrusiers, I've tried with banshees, i've tried to build up a big bio-ball while guarding my base with bunkers and all that stuff, but I always get overrun!

Please helppppp...


if you jsut want the achievement, somebody made a glorious thread on TL somewhere, that talks about how to abuse Greed type maps.

On November 21 2010 01:08 cocosoft wrote:
What type of cheese do you do in TvT.... I've been experimentning some with 2+ rax stim marauder, but it doesn't seems to work quite perfect... It defenitely works against someone who tries to go fast banshee, and there might be some timing windows where I find it to work somewhat good but thats about it.

~1500 macro Random player


bunker rush is always an option if the terran player doesn't wall. But as i said before, cheesing terran is just difficult. unless it's 12 drone.


On November 21 2010 01:22 QQmonster wrote:
What do you do as terran when the protoss goes DT or void rays as fast as possible? I have trouble distinguishing whether I'm being cheesed or if he's just saving up for a nexus, especially since you have limited scan and need to respond ASAP. Is the answer always having an scv/unit ready to check his natural?

assuming he's hidden his tech that is.

Another one I have trouble with is if I scout the twilight council but nothing else, I don't know if he's going for blink stalker cheese or teching to DT's. When I scout the council I usually respond by putting turrets around my perimeter to kill observers before the stalkers can blink, and so I can see DT's.


i mean, i always go ghosts againsts TvP. That being said, when there's DT's in my base, i can use scans AND emps.


On November 21 2010 01:27 Lawdy wrote:
Why do you waste your time playing this game


Because my only girlfriend is my hand.


On November 21 2010 01:37 ReachTheSky wrote:
How does it feel to not actually know how to play the game at a REAL level? ;P


How do you feel about the fact that you're an amazing singer, but some chick can just start singtalking TICKTOCKONTHELCLOCKDJBLOWMYSPEAKERUPTONIGHT. and get paid 1000x more than you?

On November 21 2010 02:06 megagoten wrote:
how's your macro?


honestly, not that great, i usually always end games early, even if i don't cheese. I'm getting better at timing pushes though.


On November 21 2010 02:13 Bonkerz wrote:
Okay so, I get cheesed by protoss all the fucking time... Im a terran...

So after my 10 depot i scout, If i see a protoss base empty then i know theres like 2 gateways warping in at my main. How can I stop this. I usually find it just when I am getting my rax up, Even if i Focus Fire Pylons with marine and like 5 scv's I cant stop it. This shit annoys the hell out of me, and I so no way to stop it unless like around 8 supply I send and SCV around my base.


P.S. He put the pylon for his gates against a wall so i could get no surround :-//


don't bother attacking the pylon. Bunker up next to your mineral lines and you'll be fine. That being said, you can always hide another barrack somewhere with your scout, and attack his base with marines because his base is undefended.

On November 21 2010 02:51 Slayth wrote:
Why are you pretending this is 4chan?

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d[s]c
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States79 Posts
November 20 2010 23:01 GMT
#97
"All-inner" sounds better
gnutz
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany666 Posts
November 20 2010 23:08 GMT
#98
What do you do against terran if they are the anti-cheese race?
drlame
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden574 Posts
November 20 2010 23:14 GMT
#99
Can you post a replay pack? I'd also like an answer to gnutz question (above me). One more thing, why the hell don't you have a fanclub by now?
NexUmbra
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Scotland3776 Posts
November 20 2010 23:24 GMT
#100
Since you didn't answer it earlier...

What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen european swallow?
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