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On November 23 2010 05:19 skipdog172 wrote:
Nice post. I can't believe all of the players so butt-hurt that they just post here to insult you. If you lose to this cheese, you are getting outplayed. Stop trying to trick yourself into believing that you are the "better player".
Everybody here acts like they are so much better because they want to play macro games, and yet they don't want to lose to cheese and get as much out of it as any other loss. You are angry because somebody else can outplay you in a micro game. Every person who posts an insult in this thread shows that you are just like this cheeser - don't care much about improving. You just want to play macro starcraft and don't want to learn how to beat cheese. This is like the cheeser just wanting to play cheesy starcraft and don't want to learn how to macro.
Stop acting like you are better because you prefer the macro game. No, I don't cheese myself. I don't find it much fun. I don't see a point in hating on somebody who prefers to cheese. I love playing against these guys. It is great practice! Isn't that the point of playing?
Nice stereotyping. Maybe the fact why I hate this thread is because I watched the two replays and watched this BM kid spamming offensive gg all the time, then proceed to be all high and mighty about his working cheese, even thought I could pull that off with zero practice, and hold it off with zero practice aswell.
Watching his protoss opponent have 750 minerals 5 minutes into the game because he's awful is not a good show of how a cheese works. You could've played that guy straight up and won aswell. Same with the terran guy with zero reflexes. This guy deserves zero respect as long as he doesn't show replays of beating people with an actual brain without all the stupid offensive gg shit.
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+ Show Spoiler +On November 23 2010 08:44 kaztah wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2010 05:19 skipdog172 wrote:
Nice post. I can't believe all of the players so butt-hurt that they just post here to insult you. If you lose to this cheese, you are getting outplayed. Stop trying to trick yourself into believing that you are the "better player".
Everybody here acts like they are so much better because they want to play macro games, and yet they don't want to lose to cheese and get as much out of it as any other loss. You are angry because somebody else can outplay you in a micro game. Every person who posts an insult in this thread shows that you are just like this cheeser - don't care much about improving. You just want to play macro starcraft and don't want to learn how to beat cheese. This is like the cheeser just wanting to play cheesy starcraft and don't want to learn how to macro.
Stop acting like you are better because you prefer the macro game. No, I don't cheese myself. I don't find it much fun. I don't see a point in hating on somebody who prefers to cheese. I love playing against these guys. It is great practice! Isn't that the point of playing? Nice stereotyping. Maybe the fact why I hate this thread is because I watched the two replays and watched this BM kid spamming offensive gg all the time, then proceed to be all high and mighty about his working cheese, even thought I could pull that off with zero practice, and hold it off with zero practice aswell. Watching his protoss opponent have 750 minerals 5 minutes into the game because he's awful is not a good show of how a cheese works. You could've played that guy straight up and won aswell. Same with the terran guy with zero reflexes. This guy deserves zero respect as long as he doesn't show replays of beating people with an actual brain without all the stupid offensive gg shit.
lol, offensive gg. people need to grow a thicker skin on the internet, especially sc players.
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On November 23 2010 09:00 Felix_mk wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 23 2010 08:44 kaztah wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2010 05:19 skipdog172 wrote:
Nice post. I can't believe all of the players so butt-hurt that they just post here to insult you. If you lose to this cheese, you are getting outplayed. Stop trying to trick yourself into believing that you are the "better player".
Everybody here acts like they are so much better because they want to play macro games, and yet they don't want to lose to cheese and get as much out of it as any other loss. You are angry because somebody else can outplay you in a micro game. Every person who posts an insult in this thread shows that you are just like this cheeser - don't care much about improving. You just want to play macro starcraft and don't want to learn how to beat cheese. This is like the cheeser just wanting to play cheesy starcraft and don't want to learn how to macro.
Stop acting like you are better because you prefer the macro game. No, I don't cheese myself. I don't find it much fun. I don't see a point in hating on somebody who prefers to cheese. I love playing against these guys. It is great practice! Isn't that the point of playing? Nice stereotyping. Maybe the fact why I hate this thread is because I watched the two replays and watched this BM kid spamming offensive gg all the time, then proceed to be all high and mighty about his working cheese, even thought I could pull that off with zero practice, and hold it off with zero practice aswell. Watching his protoss opponent have 750 minerals 5 minutes into the game because he's awful is not a good show of how a cheese works. You could've played that guy straight up and won aswell. Same with the terran guy with zero reflexes. This guy deserves zero respect as long as he doesn't show replays of beating people with an actual brain without all the stupid offensive gg shit. lol, offensive gg. people need to grow a thicker skin on the internet, especially sc players.
Even more stereotyping. I didn't even play SC. I honestly don't care if people offensive gg me, because I'm all the more likely to win the game then, but it's still annoying to watch people release replays where they're acting like complete douchebags while requesting "respect" for it.
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Cheesing as PvX, what cheese do you prefer vs. each race? What is your follow up should the initial cheese not work?
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How are you supposed to defend a 6pool if you don't scout on 9 PvZ?
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On November 23 2010 09:21 kaztah wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2010 09:00 Felix_mk wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 23 2010 08:44 kaztah wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2010 05:19 skipdog172 wrote:
Nice post. I can't believe all of the players so butt-hurt that they just post here to insult you. If you lose to this cheese, you are getting outplayed. Stop trying to trick yourself into believing that you are the "better player".
Everybody here acts like they are so much better because they want to play macro games, and yet they don't want to lose to cheese and get as much out of it as any other loss. You are angry because somebody else can outplay you in a micro game. Every person who posts an insult in this thread shows that you are just like this cheeser - don't care much about improving. You just want to play macro starcraft and don't want to learn how to beat cheese. This is like the cheeser just wanting to play cheesy starcraft and don't want to learn how to macro.
Stop acting like you are better because you prefer the macro game. No, I don't cheese myself. I don't find it much fun. I don't see a point in hating on somebody who prefers to cheese. I love playing against these guys. It is great practice! Isn't that the point of playing? Nice stereotyping. Maybe the fact why I hate this thread is because I watched the two replays and watched this BM kid spamming offensive gg all the time, then proceed to be all high and mighty about his working cheese, even thought I could pull that off with zero practice, and hold it off with zero practice aswell. Watching his protoss opponent have 750 minerals 5 minutes into the game because he's awful is not a good show of how a cheese works. You could've played that guy straight up and won aswell. Same with the terran guy with zero reflexes. This guy deserves zero respect as long as he doesn't show replays of beating people with an actual brain without all the stupid offensive gg shit. lol, offensive gg. people need to grow a thicker skin on the internet, especially sc players. Even more stereotyping. I didn't even play SC. I honestly don't care if people offensive gg me, because I'm all the more likely to win the game then, but it's still annoying to watch people release replays where they're acting like complete douchebags while requesting "respect" for it.
You don't play SC but you are arguing on a SC forum about SC things and saying you don't care when people offensive gg you in SC?
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What do you think of cheese in Team games (I.e. how good is it, what is the best/funniest cheese, does it work best in 2v2 3v3 4v4, ect)?
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3v3 cheese is awesome, straight up. Nothing better then watching one guy get 6 pooled while his partners scramble to try and help him.
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On November 22 2010 08:05 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
A win is a win.
Props to you, OP. If five-minute rushes weren't supposed to exist, then people would be able to stop all of these quick attacks easily and every map would have destructible rocks in front of each base. Your micro is probably better than any non-cheeser's, while they probably have better macro than you.
While you may be missing out on late game strategies and the benefits of the ends of the tech tree, it's hilarious to watch people mock you for finding your own niche. Instead of QQing about cheese, maybe they should learn to prepare for it by scouting, defending, and countering.
This man summed up my thoughts perfectly.
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Offencive gg's are bad, but its not THAT bad. There are worse BMs.
Thanks for cheesing it up! the more the better, it helps balance the game and weeds out weaker players. Not that i'm any good at defending it but all-ins are valid strategies and i could use some practice against defending it, but i haven't seen that many people cheese at my level yet.
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On November 23 2010 05:19 skipdog172 wrote:
Nice post. I can't believe all of the players so butt-hurt that they just post here to insult you. If you lose to this cheese, you are getting outplayed. Stop trying to trick yourself into believing that you are the "better player".
Everybody here acts like they are so much better because they want to play macro games, and yet they don't want to lose to cheese and get as much out of it as any other loss. You are angry because somebody else can outplay you in a micro game. Every person who posts an insult in this thread shows that you are just like this cheeser - don't care much about improving. You just want to play macro starcraft and don't want to learn how to beat cheese. This is like the cheeser just wanting to play cheesy starcraft and don't want to learn how to macro.
Stop acting like you are better because you prefer the macro game. No, I don't cheese myself. I don't find it much fun. I don't see a point in hating on somebody who prefers to cheese. I love playing against these guys. It is great practice! Isn't that the point of playing?
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Just wanted to say that this is a very entertaining post, and stay moist mad me laugh a few times.
However I am questioning if stay moist is really a diamond player.
Because on his second replay with the 12 drones rush, the SCV production was lacking. I am not at diamond level, but I would never let my SCV production lag like that.
Did any one else notice that?
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He's showing replays against newer/bad players. The 'unstoppable' 12 drone rush was against a Terran that went 11 depot. It's nowhere near unstoppable against any halfway competent T player.
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On November 23 2010 15:06 oxxo wrote:
He's showing replays against newer/bad players. The 'unstoppable' 12 drone rush was against a Terran that went 11 depot. It's nowhere near unstoppable against any halfway competent T player.
I actually didn't watch the replay. In hindsight, i probably should have before posting it. I simplyed posted that replay out of the many more in my cache because that was the ONLY terran player who DIDN'T lift off and afk in a corner while i tech to mutas :/
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In perspective, StarCraft 2 is a waste of time. School is a waste of time. Work is a waste of time. Attracting mates is a waste of time.
So, what makes something not a waste of time? The answer to that question is very philisophical, but i've' came to the conclusion that as long as you're reaping rewards from it, then it no longer is a waste of time.
If I enjoy cheesing as much as someone who macros up, why shouldn't I just cheese? Maybe I'm not as "good" as the other player. Big deal, it's all about reaping the rewards in the aftermath. We both end up having same ladder points, we both probably have same tournament records, and we both probably enjoy the game.
Wow, so wise  Totally agree.
Hifriend is such a troll. The guy cracks me up. Makes a topic a long time ago about how he's done, everything is cheese at 1600 diamond and higher.
Classic. Now he thinks he's the cheese expert. The best part? In my last 20-30 solo games, 2 have been cheese. The same person did both. A 2.5k total games protoss that ONLY cheeses. He lost easily, as he had no clue how to play.
Hifriend, you're just an idiot. Cheese is less common the higher up you go, as people can stop it easier, or react to it better. People opt for macro games, at least an expansion, because the age of 1 base all in is at least slowing down.
The worst part of this thread is the losers who are begging to learn new cheese strategies because they can't micro or macro and want to be able to say 'I'M 1800 DIAMOND!!!'
Best way to cheese? Forget it and move on to the next game. Vs random, always wall faster than normal and scout earlier than normal. Don't listen to idiots like hifriend who act as if they know EVERYTHING about the ladder because of the slim section of people he plays.
Is there any word I have to mention besides "Hypocrite"?
Edit: Nice stereotyping. Maybe the fact why I hate this thread is because I watched the two replays and watched this BM kid spamming offensive gg all the time, then proceed to be all high and mighty about his working cheese, even thought I could pull that off with zero practice, and hold it off with zero practice aswell.
Watching his protoss opponent have 750 minerals 5 minutes into the game because he's awful is not a good show of how a cheese works. You could've played that guy straight up and won aswell. Same with the terran guy with zero reflexes. This guy deserves zero respect as long as he doesn't show replays of beating people with an actual brain without all the stupid offensive gg shit.
The reason why you hate this thread is clear. You're angry at yourself. You can't accept the way others decide to play the game. Until you fix your attitude/approach/view of exactly what you want out of the game, you will probably always feel like this. Also, sure offensive gg can be looked down upon as BM. But is it not also a psychological strategy? Blizzard has no rules in ladder games saying you can't talk to the opponent, or that you can't use any psychological strategies through social means. Whether or not it's BM or "morale" is your own decision.
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I love cheesing, I love defending against cheesing, but how the OP goes on sarcastically about how he only does it to make people feel bad (and get personal enjoyment out of it), that doesn't seem so sarcastic after you watch those replays. It's clearly an aspect of it. It's not like the guy provoked him into saying those things, he was just trying his best (which was terrible, to be honest), to hold that all-in.
Still, cheese on, anyone who hates you for cheesing is just envious that they can't get your rank by playing "normally".
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Its certainly a viable tactic, but it is always based on the surprise element, so the "outplayed element" is less-so than for the defender to react well and shut you down completely. I really wish I got cheesed more often, even if I lose a lot because cheesers just get so angry when I do everything right and they have no transition. You can't get more satisfaction than scouting a 6-pool allin in with drones and having him arrive to your base with a cannon warping in just as they arrive and having both players know the game is over.
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On November 20 2010 09:11 Competent wrote:
How do you live with yourself.
LOL. the best thing is look at his username ^_^
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Hi, need help.
I'm 1800+ terran and i got cheese twice by the same player on ladder on the same map,
It's an oubase pylon-canon, inbase gateway canons
what can I do against this ?
http://www.mediafire.com/?8f2q82cz12g4z5x
thank you thank you
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How do you cheese as Zerg? I know the 6-pool, but people seem to be able to fend this off easily, and my friends don't even find it fun anymore :b It just doesn't feel awesome, not even once.
The 9/9/9 roach build is a good cheese. I like that one.
The Proxy Hatch is a kinda weird cheese to me. Its not really a cheese build as much as something you can pull off if the chance if there.
What other cheese builds do you do as Zerg? And what do you transition into after? Or ar you always, only all-in?
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