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On November 20 2010 09:09 FarJeylZmun wrote:
MrMoist.250
... Also, as random player, I think I know a lot more about balance than most players....
-Stay Moist
Rofl, you just made my night.
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1. what do you do when you spawn as Z on scrap (against anyone)?
2. how do you 6 pool on, say, meta? 33% of the time, you're close air so you scout it, do you just pray he's in close positions if otherwise?
3. do you proxy your second rax when you do that conc shell/marauder push?
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Is the OP just a troll post?
Sorry, I am honestly confused.
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Do you have self-respect?
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On November 20 2010 11:58 JBrown08 wrote:Do you participate in tournaments? In my heart I would like to believe that cheese only works once in a BO3, and thats why pro's only practice a few cheese strats. In fact I would put out that you are probably a wimp using cheese on ladder with random players  (at least I hope, since I hate cheese, and by extension maybe I even hate you)
Oh bo3 psychology. Isn't that the beauty of starcraft?
Imagine this; you're in a gsl qualifier playing some random nerd and he 6 pools you the first game. What's your thought process right then?
"Omfg he fucking 6 pooled me the first game. Fuck fuck fuck I'm down one game. Ok calm down I can do this next up lost temple. I can beat this fucking cheeser. Now there's no way in hell he's going to pull that shit twice in a row? He must know I'm expecting it? Or does he know I know he knows I'm expecting it? God dammit I'm putting down a second gate. But what if he knows I know he knows I know he knows I'm expecting it, and he puts down a freaking 14hatch? Fuck he's in the last position I'm playing blind here vs this kid and what if h- ... FUUUUUUUUUU 6 lings coming up my ramp."
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Do you get a lot of BM?
Whats the worst BM your opponent has said?
What sort of BM do you get a lot?
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On November 20 2010 12:20 hifriend wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2010 11:58 JBrown08 wrote:Do you participate in tournaments? In my heart I would like to believe that cheese only works once in a BO3, and thats why pro's only practice a few cheese strats. In fact I would put out that you are probably a wimp using cheese on ladder with random players (at least I hope, since I hate cheese, and by extension maybe I even hate you) Oh bo3 psychology. Isn't that the beauty of starcraft? Imagine this; you're in a gsl qualifier playing some random nerd and he 6 pools you the first game. What's your thought process right then? "Omfg he fucking 6 pooled me the first game. Fuck fuck fuck I'm down one game. Ok calm down I can do this next up lost temple. I can beat this fucking cheeser. Now there's no way in hell he's going to pull that shit twice in a row? He must know I'm expecting it? Or does he know I know he knows I'm expecting it? God dammit I'm putting down a second gate. But what if he knows I know he knows I know he knows I'm expecting it, and he puts down a freaking 14hatch? Fuck he's in the last position I'm playing blind here vs this kid and what if h- ... FUUUUUUUUUU 6 lings coming up my ramp."
Or you aren't retarded in a Bo3 and scout earlier because of the cheese...or at least thats what I do in a tourny....just a thought.
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As a casual cheeser, the best part about cheesing is when the guy BM's. Then i can start spamming LoLuMaD? while my zerglings own their probes. if they guy says gg after i cheese i usually apologize for cheesing....
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On November 20 2010 12:24 JBrown08 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2010 12:20 hifriend wrote:On November 20 2010 11:58 JBrown08 wrote:Do you participate in tournaments? In my heart I would like to believe that cheese only works once in a BO3, and thats why pro's only practice a few cheese strats. In fact I would put out that you are probably a wimp using cheese on ladder with random players (at least I hope, since I hate cheese, and by extension maybe I even hate you) Oh bo3 psychology. Isn't that the beauty of starcraft? Imagine this; you're in a gsl qualifier playing some random nerd and he 6 pools you the first game. What's your thought process right then? "Omfg he fucking 6 pooled me the first game. Fuck fuck fuck I'm down one game. Ok calm down I can do this next up lost temple. I can beat this fucking cheeser. Now there's no way in hell he's going to pull that shit twice in a row? He must know I'm expecting it? Or does he know I know he knows I'm expecting it? God dammit I'm putting down a second gate. But what if he knows I know he knows I know he knows I'm expecting it, and he puts down a freaking 14hatch? Fuck he's in the last position I'm playing blind here vs this kid and what if h- ... FUUUUUUUUUU 6 lings coming up my ramp." Or you aren't retarded in a Bo3 and scout earlier because of the cheese...or at least thats what I do in a tourny....just a thought.
So you are somehow able to spot a 6 pool in time 100% of the times pvz on a 4 player map?
lmk
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I am also a random player, 1800 diamond. I think that cheesing terran is almost impossible, cheesing zerg is difficult, and cheesing protoss is simple with every race.
A protoss player is so vulnerable to cheese that usually he tends to forget about early FE because of that.
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On November 20 2010 12:26 hifriend wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2010 12:24 JBrown08 wrote:On November 20 2010 12:20 hifriend wrote:On November 20 2010 11:58 JBrown08 wrote:Do you participate in tournaments? In my heart I would like to believe that cheese only works once in a BO3, and thats why pro's only practice a few cheese strats. In fact I would put out that you are probably a wimp using cheese on ladder with random players (at least I hope, since I hate cheese, and by extension maybe I even hate you) Oh bo3 psychology. Isn't that the beauty of starcraft? Imagine this; you're in a gsl qualifier playing some random nerd and he 6 pools you the first game. What's your thought process right then? "Omfg he fucking 6 pooled me the first game. Fuck fuck fuck I'm down one game. Ok calm down I can do this next up lost temple. I can beat this fucking cheeser. Now there's no way in hell he's going to pull that shit twice in a row? He must know I'm expecting it? Or does he know I know he knows I'm expecting it? God dammit I'm putting down a second gate. But what if he knows I know he knows I know he knows I'm expecting it, and he puts down a freaking 14hatch? Fuck he's in the last position I'm playing blind here vs this kid and what if h- ... FUUUUUUUUUU 6 lings coming up my ramp." Or you aren't retarded in a Bo3 and scout earlier because of the cheese...or at least thats what I do in a tourny....just a thought. So you are somehow able to spot a 6 pool in time 100% of the times pvz on a 4 player map? lmk
Sorry, I might of been a little harsh Im not a protoss player (Im a zerg), and when I scout a 4 player map and eventually find a 6 pool I laugh...and then proceed to defend with my drones and win.
Now seeing as I never really 6 pool, I wouldn't know what the correct response as toss should be; however that being said, if my drones that don't regenerate sheilds can hold it off, why can't your probes?
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On November 20 2010 12:37 JBrown08 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2010 12:26 hifriend wrote:On November 20 2010 12:24 JBrown08 wrote:On November 20 2010 12:20 hifriend wrote:On November 20 2010 11:58 JBrown08 wrote:Do you participate in tournaments? In my heart I would like to believe that cheese only works once in a BO3, and thats why pro's only practice a few cheese strats. In fact I would put out that you are probably a wimp using cheese on ladder with random players (at least I hope, since I hate cheese, and by extension maybe I even hate you) Oh bo3 psychology. Isn't that the beauty of starcraft? Imagine this; you're in a gsl qualifier playing some random nerd and he 6 pools you the first game. What's your thought process right then? "Omfg he fucking 6 pooled me the first game. Fuck fuck fuck I'm down one game. Ok calm down I can do this next up lost temple. I can beat this fucking cheeser. Now there's no way in hell he's going to pull that shit twice in a row? He must know I'm expecting it? Or does he know I know he knows I'm expecting it? God dammit I'm putting down a second gate. But what if he knows I know he knows I know he knows I'm expecting it, and he puts down a freaking 14hatch? Fuck he's in the last position I'm playing blind here vs this kid and what if h- ... FUUUUUUUUUU 6 lings coming up my ramp." Or you aren't retarded in a Bo3 and scout earlier because of the cheese...or at least thats what I do in a tourny....just a thought. So you are somehow able to spot a 6 pool in time 100% of the times pvz on a 4 player map? lmk Sorry, I might of been a little harsh Im not a protoss player (Im a zerg), and when I scout a 4 player map and eventually find a 6 pool I laugh...and then proceeed to defend with my drones and win. Now seeing as I never really 6 pool, I wouldn't know what the correct response as toss should be; however that being said, if my drones that don't regenerate sheilds can hold it off, why can't your probes?
Well, I get the feeling you might have had the luxury of avoiding getting 6 pooled by someone who knows how to micro his lings. Obviously if he'd run straight into my mineral line or battle my probes head on he's going to lose, but smart zergs will snipe stray probes, deny mining time by sniping pylons/wall structures at the same time delaying your tech/production and just generally keeping their lings alive for a ridiculous amount of time.
Tbh I've never had any big troubles vs 6pool but when the zerg knows what he's doing AND manages to get lings inside of my base it's extremely hard to deal with.
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On November 20 2010 12:42 hifriend wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2010 12:37 JBrown08 wrote:On November 20 2010 12:26 hifriend wrote:On November 20 2010 12:24 JBrown08 wrote:On November 20 2010 12:20 hifriend wrote:On November 20 2010 11:58 JBrown08 wrote:Do you participate in tournaments? In my heart I would like to believe that cheese only works once in a BO3, and thats why pro's only practice a few cheese strats. In fact I would put out that you are probably a wimp using cheese on ladder with random players (at least I hope, since I hate cheese, and by extension maybe I even hate you) Oh bo3 psychology. Isn't that the beauty of starcraft? Imagine this; you're in a gsl qualifier playing some random nerd and he 6 pools you the first game. What's your thought process right then? "Omfg he fucking 6 pooled me the first game. Fuck fuck fuck I'm down one game. Ok calm down I can do this next up lost temple. I can beat this fucking cheeser. Now there's no way in hell he's going to pull that shit twice in a row? He must know I'm expecting it? Or does he know I know he knows I'm expecting it? God dammit I'm putting down a second gate. But what if he knows I know he knows I know he knows I'm expecting it, and he puts down a freaking 14hatch? Fuck he's in the last position I'm playing blind here vs this kid and what if h- ... FUUUUUUUUUU 6 lings coming up my ramp." Or you aren't retarded in a Bo3 and scout earlier because of the cheese...or at least thats what I do in a tourny....just a thought. So you are somehow able to spot a 6 pool in time 100% of the times pvz on a 4 player map? lmk Sorry, I might of been a little harsh Im not a protoss player (Im a zerg), and when I scout a 4 player map and eventually find a 6 pool I laugh...and then proceeed to defend with my drones and win. Now seeing as I never really 6 pool, I wouldn't know what the correct response as toss should be; however that being said, if my drones that don't regenerate sheilds can hold it off, why can't your probes? Well, I get the feeling you might have had the luxury of avoiding getting 6 pooled by someone who knows how to micro his lings. Obviously if he'd run straight into my mineral line or battle my probes head on he's going to lose, but smart zergs will snipe stray probes, deny mining time by sniping pylons/wall structures at the same time delaying your tech/production and just generally keeping their lings alive for a ridiculous amount of time. Tbh I've never had any big troubles vs 6pool but when the zerg knows what he's doing AND manages to get lings inside of my base it's extremely hard to deal with.
Well then why isn't 6 pool the standard strategy for winning at high levels if you think it is so unbeatable, even if you suspect it?
That almost sounds like you have a hard time against it, so you think that everyone must.
If it is scoutable, or if you suspect a strat in a best of 3 hardly ever is it going to work twice. I highly doubt many pros have died to two 6 pools in a row.
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how do you even make online friends and have practice partners if you just cheese. I doubt anybody find any joy in training w u.
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I like the part about cheese err whatever. Great post. Really good read.
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On November 20 2010 12:46 JBrown08 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2010 12:42 hifriend wrote:On November 20 2010 12:37 JBrown08 wrote:On November 20 2010 12:26 hifriend wrote:On November 20 2010 12:24 JBrown08 wrote:On November 20 2010 12:20 hifriend wrote:On November 20 2010 11:58 JBrown08 wrote:Do you participate in tournaments? In my heart I would like to believe that cheese only works once in a BO3, and thats why pro's only practice a few cheese strats. In fact I would put out that you are probably a wimp using cheese on ladder with random players (at least I hope, since I hate cheese, and by extension maybe I even hate you) Oh bo3 psychology. Isn't that the beauty of starcraft? Imagine this; you're in a gsl qualifier playing some random nerd and he 6 pools you the first game. What's your thought process right then? "Omfg he fucking 6 pooled me the first game. Fuck fuck fuck I'm down one game. Ok calm down I can do this next up lost temple. I can beat this fucking cheeser. Now there's no way in hell he's going to pull that shit twice in a row? He must know I'm expecting it? Or does he know I know he knows I'm expecting it? God dammit I'm putting down a second gate. But what if he knows I know he knows I know he knows I'm expecting it, and he puts down a freaking 14hatch? Fuck he's in the last position I'm playing blind here vs this kid and what if h- ... FUUUUUUUUUU 6 lings coming up my ramp." Or you aren't retarded in a Bo3 and scout earlier because of the cheese...or at least thats what I do in a tourny....just a thought. So you are somehow able to spot a 6 pool in time 100% of the times pvz on a 4 player map? lmk Sorry, I might of been a little harsh Im not a protoss player (Im a zerg), and when I scout a 4 player map and eventually find a 6 pool I laugh...and then proceeed to defend with my drones and win. Now seeing as I never really 6 pool, I wouldn't know what the correct response as toss should be; however that being said, if my drones that don't regenerate sheilds can hold it off, why can't your probes? Well, I get the feeling you might have had the luxury of avoiding getting 6 pooled by someone who knows how to micro his lings. Obviously if he'd run straight into my mineral line or battle my probes head on he's going to lose, but smart zergs will snipe stray probes, deny mining time by sniping pylons/wall structures at the same time delaying your tech/production and just generally keeping their lings alive for a ridiculous amount of time. Tbh I've never had any big troubles vs 6pool but when the zerg knows what he's doing AND manages to get lings inside of my base it's extremely hard to deal with. Well then why isn't 6 pool the standard strategy for winning at high levels if you think it is so unbeatable, even if you suspect it? That almost sounds like you have a hard time against it, so you think that everyone must. If it is scoutable, or if you suspect a strat in a best of 3 hardly ever is it going to work twice. I highly doubt many pros have died to two 6 pools in a row.
6 pool is a tossup. He might scout you immediately and he might be heading for a build that hard counters it. Most cheeses are gambles to some extent. I'm 1900 diamond which is mediocre at best at this point and 90% of the 6pools I have faced have been quite easy to deal with but when they actually micro their lings it's hard. If they do it well, I have problems dealing with it. I've seen much better players losing to 6pool as well but it isn't that widely used for some reason. I think by time it'll be much the same as in bw with (4)6pools sprinkled in every now and then in all matchups. :D
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On November 20 2010 12:52 hifriend wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2010 12:46 JBrown08 wrote:On November 20 2010 12:42 hifriend wrote:On November 20 2010 12:37 JBrown08 wrote:On November 20 2010 12:26 hifriend wrote:On November 20 2010 12:24 JBrown08 wrote:On November 20 2010 12:20 hifriend wrote:On November 20 2010 11:58 JBrown08 wrote:Do you participate in tournaments? In my heart I would like to believe that cheese only works once in a BO3, and thats why pro's only practice a few cheese strats. In fact I would put out that you are probably a wimp using cheese on ladder with random players (at least I hope, since I hate cheese, and by extension maybe I even hate you) Oh bo3 psychology. Isn't that the beauty of starcraft? Imagine this; you're in a gsl qualifier playing some random nerd and he 6 pools you the first game. What's your thought process right then? "Omfg he fucking 6 pooled me the first game. Fuck fuck fuck I'm down one game. Ok calm down I can do this next up lost temple. I can beat this fucking cheeser. Now there's no way in hell he's going to pull that shit twice in a row? He must know I'm expecting it? Or does he know I know he knows I'm expecting it? God dammit I'm putting down a second gate. But what if he knows I know he knows I know he knows I'm expecting it, and he puts down a freaking 14hatch? Fuck he's in the last position I'm playing blind here vs this kid and what if h- ... FUUUUUUUUUU 6 lings coming up my ramp." Or you aren't retarded in a Bo3 and scout earlier because of the cheese...or at least thats what I do in a tourny....just a thought. So you are somehow able to spot a 6 pool in time 100% of the times pvz on a 4 player map? lmk Sorry, I might of been a little harsh Im not a protoss player (Im a zerg), and when I scout a 4 player map and eventually find a 6 pool I laugh...and then proceeed to defend with my drones and win. Now seeing as I never really 6 pool, I wouldn't know what the correct response as toss should be; however that being said, if my drones that don't regenerate sheilds can hold it off, why can't your probes? Well, I get the feeling you might have had the luxury of avoiding getting 6 pooled by someone who knows how to micro his lings. Obviously if he'd run straight into my mineral line or battle my probes head on he's going to lose, but smart zergs will snipe stray probes, deny mining time by sniping pylons/wall structures at the same time delaying your tech/production and just generally keeping their lings alive for a ridiculous amount of time. Tbh I've never had any big troubles vs 6pool but when the zerg knows what he's doing AND manages to get lings inside of my base it's extremely hard to deal with. Well then why isn't 6 pool the standard strategy for winning at high levels if you think it is so unbeatable, even if you suspect it? That almost sounds like you have a hard time against it, so you think that everyone must. If it is scoutable, or if you suspect a strat in a best of 3 hardly ever is it going to work twice. I highly doubt many pros have died to two 6 pools in a row. 6 pool is a tossup. He might scout you immediately and he might be heading for a build that hard counters it. Most cheeses are gambles to some extent. I'm 1900 diamond which is mediocre at best at this point and 90% of the 6pools I have faced have been quite easy to deal with but when they actually micro their lings it's hard. If they do it well, I have problems dealing with it. I've seen much better players losing to 6pool as well but it isn't that widely used for some reason. I think by time it'll be much the same as in bw with (4)6pools sprinkled in every now and then in all matchups. :D
It seems we have been agreeing this whole time (I am an 1800 diamond zerg) but our only divergence has been the efficacy of cheese in a Bo3, and I think if you are suspecting it you are cool. It's not hard to stop, you just have to be prepared.
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After reading your tips, I just got that Protoss is the best to cheese.
Being a toss player who rages the most at cheese, what things do you generally look out for that will easily stop any type of cheese?
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On November 20 2010 12:55 JBrown08 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2010 12:52 hifriend wrote:On November 20 2010 12:46 JBrown08 wrote:On November 20 2010 12:42 hifriend wrote:On November 20 2010 12:37 JBrown08 wrote:On November 20 2010 12:26 hifriend wrote:On November 20 2010 12:24 JBrown08 wrote:On November 20 2010 12:20 hifriend wrote:On November 20 2010 11:58 JBrown08 wrote:Do you participate in tournaments? In my heart I would like to believe that cheese only works once in a BO3, and thats why pro's only practice a few cheese strats. In fact I would put out that you are probably a wimp using cheese on ladder with random players (at least I hope, since I hate cheese, and by extension maybe I even hate you) Oh bo3 psychology. Isn't that the beauty of starcraft? Imagine this; you're in a gsl qualifier playing some random nerd and he 6 pools you the first game. What's your thought process right then? "Omfg he fucking 6 pooled me the first game. Fuck fuck fuck I'm down one game. Ok calm down I can do this next up lost temple. I can beat this fucking cheeser. Now there's no way in hell he's going to pull that shit twice in a row? He must know I'm expecting it? Or does he know I know he knows I'm expecting it? God dammit I'm putting down a second gate. But what if he knows I know he knows I know he knows I'm expecting it, and he puts down a freaking 14hatch? Fuck he's in the last position I'm playing blind here vs this kid and what if h- ... FUUUUUUUUUU 6 lings coming up my ramp." Or you aren't retarded in a Bo3 and scout earlier because of the cheese...or at least thats what I do in a tourny....just a thought. So you are somehow able to spot a 6 pool in time 100% of the times pvz on a 4 player map? lmk Sorry, I might of been a little harsh Im not a protoss player (Im a zerg), and when I scout a 4 player map and eventually find a 6 pool I laugh...and then proceeed to defend with my drones and win. Now seeing as I never really 6 pool, I wouldn't know what the correct response as toss should be; however that being said, if my drones that don't regenerate sheilds can hold it off, why can't your probes? Well, I get the feeling you might have had the luxury of avoiding getting 6 pooled by someone who knows how to micro his lings. Obviously if he'd run straight into my mineral line or battle my probes head on he's going to lose, but smart zergs will snipe stray probes, deny mining time by sniping pylons/wall structures at the same time delaying your tech/production and just generally keeping their lings alive for a ridiculous amount of time. Tbh I've never had any big troubles vs 6pool but when the zerg knows what he's doing AND manages to get lings inside of my base it's extremely hard to deal with. Well then why isn't 6 pool the standard strategy for winning at high levels if you think it is so unbeatable, even if you suspect it? That almost sounds like you have a hard time against it, so you think that everyone must. If it is scoutable, or if you suspect a strat in a best of 3 hardly ever is it going to work twice. I highly doubt many pros have died to two 6 pools in a row. 6 pool is a tossup. He might scout you immediately and he might be heading for a build that hard counters it. Most cheeses are gambles to some extent. I'm 1900 diamond which is mediocre at best at this point and 90% of the 6pools I have faced have been quite easy to deal with but when they actually micro their lings it's hard. If they do it well, I have problems dealing with it. I've seen much better players losing to 6pool as well but it isn't that widely used for some reason. I think by time it'll be much the same as in bw with (4)6pools sprinkled in every now and then in all matchups. :D It seems we have been agreeing this whole time (I am an 1800 diamond zerg) but our only divergence has been the efficacy of cheese in a Bo3, and I think if you are suspecting it you are cool. It's not hard to stop, you just have to be prepared.
Well I disagree, but that might have something to do with the fact that we play different races and that europeans are notorious for cheesing you and then flaming you in polish. I noticed a huge shift around 1700-1800 though where cheeses became extremely common, only suddenly they were well executed.
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