EPTappreciate you talking it out with me
im scooting now
will see where you are voting closer to deadline and make a decision from there
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
appreciate you talking it out with me im scooting now will see where you are voting closer to deadline and make a decision from there | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
Vivax is town rsoultin is maybe town AlphaZero is maybe mafia? AlphaZero is mafia, maybe Kelsi3r is mafia? scott31337 is town Koshi maybe town (argument with Vivax spanning several posts, unclear conclusion but seems to indicate Vivax may be mafia) sandroba, AlphaZero, and Vivax maybe mafia marvellosity and Koshi town Mocsta maybe mafia Vivax maybe mafia scott31337 town Koshi town, scott31337 town, Trfel town, sandroba mafia, Mocsta mafia, Vivax mafia, AlphaZero unknown, raynpelikoneet unknown, Alakaslam unknown sandroba mafia, Vivax unknown (a few posts tangentially saying that sandroba and Mocsta are mafia) AlphaZero and someone else (I think Mocsta but maybe scott31337) are mafia (context suggests Mocsta) AlphaZero or Mocsta is mafia scott31337 is maybe mafia Note: die_meatbaby hadn't mentioned anything about Kelsi3r by post #655, but then voted for Kelsi3r in post #1122. In post #1008 die_meatbaby says she isn't happy with both wagons, which I guess matches settling for the better of two suboptimal wagons as the deadline approaches, but eh. Second note: On June 10 2024 11:01 die_meatbaby wrote: mocasta maybe red aswell On June 10 2024 11:08 die_meatbaby wrote: How can die_meatbaby both think Mocsta is maybe mafia and also be surprised at mafia not killing Mocsta? For her to actually be surprised at mafia not killing Mocsta, that means die_meatbaby thinks Mocsta is a power role, as he claimed. But then die_meatbaby would think that Mocsta is town, not maybe mafia? I know I asked about this before, but it still doesn't make any sense? Die_meatbaby responded that it was because she wasn't sure if the claim is true, and that it's strange that Mocsta didn't die to the night kill. But if she isn't sure if the claim is true, then why wouldn't mafia also be unsure? Why couldn't they just roleblock him? I just struggle to see this from a town perspective.I don´t understand mafia here right now. If somebody claims blue... why do they not kill mocstar. Marv is always strong Town. But mafia shouldn´t be that scared of him on the n1 Third note: On June 10 2024 21:37 die_meatbaby wrote: sandro+mocstar+ xxx And I will fucking find out if you are the xxx On June 11 2024 03:57 die_meatbaby wrote: The first quote indicates that die_meatbaby finds Mocsta more suspicious than Vivax. The second quote seems very opportunistic, it feels like it's there to justify having voted for Vivax, because conveniently there was a wagon on Vivax at this time.Why do I avoid scum hunting? I told you sandro what be my highest prefering lynch but I am fine with Vivax as well Fourth note: die_meatbaby's reads this game just feel so repetitive. Let's just look at scumreads, since those are the important ones. She starts out scumreading AlphaZero, and eventually adds sandroba and Mocsta, and then considers Vivax and maybe scott31337 right at the end. That just seems incredibly close-minded for a game in mid day 3. Add on all the excuses, and the random warning to Oatsmaster not to do something that would make it clear he is mafia, and townreading scott31337 because he looks scummy as town, and I think it's quite reasonable to lynch die_meatbaby here. I could absolutely be wrong, I don't trust my grasp of the game very much right now, but it's the best I've got at this time. | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On June 14 2024 17:04 Mocsta wrote: Sounds good, take care of yourself and enjoy.thansk trfel appreciate you talking it out with me im scooting now will see where you are voting closer to deadline and make a decision from there | ||
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AlphaZero
Korea (South)759 Posts
on the second note: It makes sense to me that her first thought is that mocsta is red, presumably because she is thinking that he should be dead if he is town and blue. third note: I don't think that is alignment indicative. Fourth note: Meh. I haven't really found town DMB to be that quick to shift perspective. Honestly, my thoughts are that this case is not really that convincing, but I tend to town read DMB when I am town, even when she is mafia. | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
For the second note, though technically die_meatbaby posted after the day post, it doesn't read like she had seen the day post when she went to post this. But it doesn't matter too much. You might be right, I haven't seen die_meatbaby play as town really so I don't know how it would come off to me. And although possible, this would require mafia to have double bussed day 2. But also, like, who else? Scott31337? Doubt there is enough support, and imo there are some doubts there too... Alakaslam? Eh... Raynpelikoneet and Koshi were instrumental in lynching mafia yesterday. I don't see enough reason to ignore that. You and Mocsta have been my strongest sources of logic, reasoning, and sense this game. Regardless of how correct your reads are, you've been the easiest people for me to reason with. And I think that goes a long way. Maybe I'm being super pocketed but it's how I am seeing it. Leaves an active Vivax. Eh again. He feels underwhelming at times but quite solid at others. Maybe this is me being bad and looking at reasons to townread instead of reasons to scumread, which tends to be much less effective for me. But also it's starting to get closer to the deadline and I'm just not as confident in anything as I'd like. I keep looking at scott31337 and Mocsta and it just doesn't feel quite right, I could absolutely see scott31337 being mafia and I could vote him but idk, now I'm just rambling, idk anymore. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On June 14 2024 17:12 AlphaZero wrote: on the first note: You know what trfel, I may be bad here, but I actually feel her read progressions are natural. on the second note: It makes sense to me that her first thought is that mocsta is red, presumably because she is thinking that he should be dead if he is town and blue. third note: I don't think that is alignment indicative. Fourth note: Meh. I haven't really found town DMB to be that quick to shift perspective. Honestly, my thoughts are that this case is not really that convincing, but I tend to town read DMB when I am town, even when she is mafia. wow you are going for another day of admitting you were wrong. | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
But I think lynching die_meatbaby has more support than lynching scott31337? | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On June 14 2024 17:32 Trfel wrote: I do think die_meatbaby is a little more likely mafia than scott31337 but I'm not very confident in that difference. But I think lynching die_meatbaby has more support than lynching scott31337? DMB is mafia. I am sure. | ||
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AlphaZero
Korea (South)759 Posts
On June 14 2024 17:28 Koshi wrote: wow you are going for another day of admitting you were wrong. Its possible. I admit I'm bad at reading her. She thoroughly tricked me when she was mafia with rayn. | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
Not really my thing. But here goes: 1. Easy to work with/talk to Mocsta has been one of the easiest players to work with this game. He's very clear about where his thoughts are coming from, is willing to consider different angles, and readily gives feedback on other peoples' ideas. 2. Lots of independent analysis Mocsta has done plenty of analysis here. Say what you want about the quality, but to me it shows that he is working to figure things out. I think he's made about as many analysis posts as anyone else. 3. Original thoughts Mocsta often comes up with original thoughts that haven't been said by anyone else. This seems much more likely to come from someone who is thinking critically and trying to work things out. I'm trying to understand why you two are so suspicious of each other. It felt like we were working together and seeing it so similarly day 2, and while we were wrong that day, that's not just something I throw away easily. See me working with Mocsta on his reasons for scumreading you, for example. Maybe you're right on Mocsta. But if you are not, here is my guess as to why: I think your expectations of Mocsta may be too high. He produces a lot of content and the scum hunting drive is clearly there. That said, I don't think his logic is on the same level as (for example) raynpelikoneet, marvellosity, Holyflare, people like that. Mocsta has his own, unique way of thinking about things, and while I think that's an asset, I think it may be throwing you off. I think you may be setting your expectations for Mocsta based on the amount of analysis he posts and the types of things he looks into, but then you hold him to a similar standard of logic and reasoning and that's just not the way he thinks and the result is that he seems scummy. Could be wrong but that's my two cents. | ||
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AlphaZero
Korea (South)759 Posts
To be honest, my scum read is heavily influenced by my scum read on scott and their subsequent interactions. This is a dangerous line of thinking though. Also I am voting with rayn. I would still prefer a scott lynch first, but mocsta is a good second option, who someone that nailed mafia yesterday and who is a solver is calling mafia., | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
I think there's a big difference in original thoughts and leading vs following thread sentiment. I don't think Mocsta's conclusions are particularly unique. But the thought process and arguments and reasoning that he takes to get there are. Big difference. Raynpelikoneet is arguing that Mocsta is following thread sentiment, at least when it benefits him. I'm saying that Mocsta's reasoning that goes into his reads is original. Those things can coexist. Again, I could absolutely be wrong on Mocsta, I think I have a soft spot for his posting style (he reads like an analysis first, thread presence second type of player, just like me) and I don't know how to un-bias myself from that. | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
Like when you spend all day on this great meal and then everyone eats it in 10 minutes and that's that  | ||
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AlphaZero
Korea (South)759 Posts
On June 14 2024 18:00 Trfel wrote: Also tbh I'm kinda disappointed that that took me 15-20 minutes to type up (on my phone) and you read it and responded in 3. Like when you spend all day on this great meal and then everyone eats it in 10 minutes and that's that Yeah well I was on a pc at the time. I’m phone posting now so feel the pain | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On June 14 2024 17:47 Trfel wrote: Sorry I forgot you wanted a town case on Mocsta. Not really my thing. But here goes: 1. Easy to work with/talk to Mocsta has been one of the easiest players to work with this game. He's very clear about where his thoughts are coming from, is willing to consider different angles, and readily gives feedback on other peoples' ideas. 2. Lots of independent analysis Mocsta has done plenty of analysis here. Say what you want about the quality, but to me it shows that he is working to figure things out. I think he's made about as many analysis posts as anyone else. 3. Original thoughts Mocsta often comes up with original thoughts that haven't been said by anyone else. This seems much more likely to come from someone who is thinking critically and trying to work things out. I'm trying to understand why you two are so suspicious of each other. It felt like we were working together and seeing it so similarly day 2, and while we were wrong that day, that's not just something I throw away easily. See me working with Mocsta on his reasons for scumreading you, for example. Maybe you're right on Mocsta. But if you are not, here is my guess as to why: I think your expectations of Mocsta may be too high. He produces a lot of content and the scum hunting drive is clearly there. That said, I don't think his logic is on the same level as (for example) raynpelikoneet, marvellosity, Holyflare, people like that. Mocsta has his own, unique way of thinking about things, and while I think that's an asset, I think it may be throwing you off. I think you may be setting your expectations for Mocsta based on the amount of analysis he posts and the types of things he looks into, but then you hold him to a similar standard of logic and reasoning and that's just not the way he thinks and the result is that he seems scummy. Could be wrong but that's my two cents. You are right. Point 3 is what you need to remember tomorrow. Mocsta did well. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
Mafia is AZ and not Mocsta. Please consider this. But in both cases dmb is mafia with them. | ||
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AlphaZero
Korea (South)759 Posts
On June 14 2024 18:29 Koshi wrote: rayn please forgive me. I was confused for a bit but I am back ok. Mafia is AZ and not Mocsta. Please consider this. But in both cases dmb is mafia with them. The thing that really sucks about this is that I can’t even just put it down to you being bad, cause clearly I’m doing something wrong in establishing my innocence. I guess I can empathise with palmar from last game. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On June 14 2024 18:33 AlphaZero wrote: The thing that really sucks about this is that I can’t even just put it down to you being bad, cause clearly I’m doing something wrong in establishing my innocence. I guess I can empathise with palmar from last game. Not hard defending 2 mafia would be a start. | ||
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die_meatbaby
Colombia1344 Posts
On June 14 2024 15:59 Koshi wrote: Look guys. We need to kill the girl. It's simple. Tomorrow we decide if it is AZ/Mocsta/Scott as third. I said it before. Kill small fishes first. I am a bad misslynch. Kinda everybody is pushing me as scum except for scott. It will be hard to find the actuall mafia after town sees that I am Town. I spend the last 2 hours who started town to get me as a lynch wagon. I am still unsure if az or Mocstar are mafia but one of them defently is. The last posts from mocstar seems kinda townisch. I think this emotional posts are not fake. So I am taking my vote (sadly) of mocstar. And If I get lynched because of taking my vote of one of the two main wagons. It is okey better loss me as town then losing someone who seems like actually try to find mafia, at least putting more eford in the game then me ##Unvote ##Vote AZ | ||
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die_meatbaby
Colombia1344 Posts
On June 14 2024 17:06 Trfel wrote: die_meatbaby's reads Vivax is town rsoultin is maybe town AlphaZero is maybe mafia? AlphaZero is mafia, maybe Kelsi3r is mafia? scott31337 is town Koshi maybe town (argument with Vivax spanning several posts, unclear conclusion but seems to indicate Vivax may be mafia) sandroba, AlphaZero, and Vivax maybe mafia marvellosity and Koshi town Mocsta maybe mafia Vivax maybe mafia scott31337 town Koshi town, scott31337 town, Trfel town, sandroba mafia, Mocsta mafia, Vivax mafia, AlphaZero unknown, raynpelikoneet unknown, Alakaslam unknown sandroba mafia, Vivax unknown (a few posts tangentially saying that sandroba and Mocsta are mafia) AlphaZero and someone else (I think Mocsta but maybe scott31337) are mafia (context suggests Mocsta) AlphaZero or Mocsta is mafia scott31337 is maybe mafia Note: die_meatbaby hadn't mentioned anything about Kelsi3r by post #655, but then voted for Kelsi3r in post #1122. In post #1008 die_meatbaby says she isn't happy with both wagons, which I guess matches settling for the better of two suboptimal wagons as the deadline approaches, but eh. Second note:How can die_meatbaby both think Mocsta is maybe mafia and also be surprised at mafia not killing Mocsta? For her to actually be surprised at mafia not killing Mocsta, that means die_meatbaby thinks Mocsta is a power role, as he claimed. But then die_meatbaby would think that Mocsta is town, not maybe mafia? I know I asked about this before, but it still doesn't make any sense? Die_meatbaby responded that it was because she wasn't sure if the claim is true, and that it's strange that Mocsta didn't die to the night kill. But if she isn't sure if the claim is true, then why wouldn't mafia also be unsure? Why couldn't they just roleblock him? I just struggle to see this from a town perspective. Third note:The first quote indicates that die_meatbaby finds Mocsta more suspicious than Vivax. The second quote seems very opportunistic, it feels like it's there to justify having voted for Vivax, because conveniently there was a wagon on Vivax at this time. Fourth note: die_meatbaby's reads this game just feel so repetitive. Let's just look at scumreads, since those are the important ones. She starts out scumreading AlphaZero, and eventually adds sandroba and Mocsta, and then considers Vivax and maybe scott31337 right at the end. That just seems incredibly close-minded for a game in mid day 3. Add on all the excuses, and the random warning to Oatsmaster not to do something that would make it clear he is mafia, and townreading scott31337 because he looks scummy as town, and I think it's quite reasonable to lynch die_meatbaby here. I could absolutely be wrong, I don't trust my grasp of the game very much right now, but it's the best I've got at this time. and you missing the inbetween post were I was taking about that I rather make a policy lynch then lynching someone else because statistically speaking, we only do shit for town in the first lynch anyway | ||
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