• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 19:26
CET 01:26
KST 09:26
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
Weekly Cups (Jan 5-11): Clem wins big offline, Trigger upsets4$21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7)15Weekly Cups (Dec 29-Jan 4): Protoss rolls, 2v2 returns7[BSL21] Non-Korean Championship - Starts Jan 103SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-1828
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (Jan 5-11): Clem wins big offline, Trigger upsets SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-18 When will we find out if there are more tournament SC2 Spotted on the EWC 2026 list? Weekly Cups (Dec 29-Jan 4): Protoss rolls, 2v2 returns
Tourneys
SC2 AI Tournament 2026 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament $21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7) $25,000 Streamerzone StarCraft Pro Series announced WardiTV Winter Cup
Strategy
Simple Questions Simple Answers
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 508 Violent Night Mutation # 507 Well Trained Mutation # 506 Warp Zone Mutation # 505 Rise From Ashes
Brood War
General
[ASL21] Potential Map Candidates BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion A cwal.gg Extension - Easily keep track of anyone Potential ASL qualifier breakthroughs?
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] Grand Finals - Sunday 21:00 CET [BSL21] Non-Korean Championship - Starts Jan 10 SLON Grand Finals – Season 2
Strategy
Game Theory for Starcraft Simple Questions, Simple Answers Current Meta [G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player
Other Games
General Games
Beyond All Reason Nintendo Switch Thread Awesome Games Done Quick 2026! Mechabellum Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Trading/Investing Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Physical Exercise (HIIT) Bef…
TrAiDoS
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
How do archons sleep?
8882
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1688 users

Sweet Summer Mafia - Page 96

Forum Index > TL Mafia
Post a Reply
Prev 1 94 95 96 97 98 280 Next
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 09 2024 19:58 GMT
#1901
On June 10 2024 04:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2024 04:55 marvellosity wrote:
I do understand what Koshi is saying about Scott tbh

you definitely do, as you think he is town atm anyways.

Yes he’s confirming my biases basically :p
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
die_meatbaby
Profile Joined May 2023
Colombia1344 Posts
June 09 2024 19:59 GMT
#1902
On June 10 2024 04:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2024 04:50 die_meatbaby wrote:
On June 10 2024 04:45 Vivax wrote:
I have a sudden strong urge to be in an asylum and take fancy pills

now that i know that the nazi politicians won the election today i need the pills urgently or whatever takes me to another universe

come to finland!

would love to go there finland, norway. I used to love iceland but since I got to know Palmar I don´t want to go there anymore
Everything has an end only the sausage has two
die_meatbaby
Profile Joined May 2023
Colombia1344 Posts
June 09 2024 19:59 GMT
#1903
koshi making good town impression btw
Everything has an end only the sausage has two
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 09 2024 20:02 GMT
#1904
On June 09 2024 06:25 scott31337 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2024 06:08 Oatsmaster wrote:
On June 09 2024 05:49 scott31337 wrote:
I'm happy to answer any questions as best I can as well.

In a few I'm going to take a nap/rest and be back a few hours before deadline.

I'm content with my vote on keisl3r still at this time.

Thoughts on Sandro rayn and rsoul


I haven't liked Sandroba from the start. Probably my #3 scum behind AZ. (Keis is 1st ATM)

Rsoul is a townlean at the moment and having quite a few of the same thoughts as I am.

Rayn is a slight town lean as well - but he is usually more inquisitive/scum hunting (like our last game) D1 - but with his announced commitment, I'm not lynching him today.

Again good. I don't fully understand his boner for AZ but AZ is not as town to me as marv and rayn are tbh. I read some good things from AZ early game and that is why I thought he was iamp. He also had a good start somewhere but then just felt back doing snippy snappy things while being okish town.

I haven't paid enough attention to him but he feels like that.

But then there is the follow up on sandroba:
On June 09 2024 06:54 scott31337 wrote:
The major thing(s) with Sandroba is -
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2024 23:21 sandroba wrote: June 07 2024 10:21 EDT
I actually like k3lsier too, 0 fucks given on mocsta interaction, seems very townie to me


And then went to

Show nested quote +
On June 08 2024 05:43 sandroba wrote: June 07 2024 16:41 EDT
I'm getting weird vibes from kelsier too, but it's not overriding my town read from the mocsta interaction. I'd say I'd prefer if we left him be for today


There was a post from Keis -

Show nested quote +
On June 08 2024 04:05 Kelsi3r wrote:
I like sandro on a filter dire

dont like oats and then dmb/slam havedone fuck all


And there's been no Keisler posts from her second message to this

Show nested quote +
On June 08 2024 06:01 sandroba wrote:
Rayn on rsoul: I had similar thoughts to her from reading the initial pages and had a town lean. Her random call out on me seems contrived because she herself does not comment on anything else besides accusing me of lack of commentary. If she really believes I missed something important or more telling than the stuff on scott I would expect she would have commented on that when re-entering the thread. She is in the null pile

on kelsier his dismissive attitude towards mocsta's post and not making an effort to understand where he was coming from was totally carefree, it felt really townie


I just have no ideas of her thoughts besides lynch scott - maybe oats townlean and rsoul null.

It's just consistent and good.

He is solving the game.

I need to read a case on him tbh. Because I don't see how this guy was ever a wagon.
I had a good night of sleep.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 09 2024 20:02 GMT
#1905
On June 10 2024 04:59 die_meatbaby wrote:
koshi making good town impression btw

why?
table for two on a tv tray
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 09 2024 20:02 GMT
#1906
On June 10 2024 04:58 Trfel wrote:
Vivax

Vivax seemed to scumread both scott31337 and Kelsi3r. He spent much of his day 1 trying to figure out which was the better lynch (while suspecting both). See these posts (for example) about his increasing desire to lynch Kelsi3r:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2024 07:18 Vivax wrote:
On June 09 2024 07:03 Mocsta wrote:
I'm becoming more and more open to lynch outside kelsier

He doesn't looked bullied out to me as his tone is pretty consistent start to finish

I still think his tone specifically to me is more unhelpful mafia than town, however the nonchalantness is somewhat consistent even after which I am.imcreasingly.viewing as townie

...

I really don't want to vote Scott for mason stuff
Is there a case outside of that?
....
Rsoultin I will give sandroba a read


I think the opposite the less Kelsier does the more I want to lynch him.

Feels like a weird defense here if you don‘t have a particularly strong conviction outside of that.
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2024 07:51 Vivax wrote:
On June 09 2024 07:46 scott31337 wrote:
On June 09 2024 07:39 Vivax wrote:
I‘m comfy with Az taking the reins here. They seem competent and townish to me.

Them pitting Oats against me was a bit dickish tho


If you do this, He's going to want to lynch me and I'll flip town.

Only if you lynch him D2 is this a suitable outcome.


There‘s people I think are around but just choosing not to post. Mocsta and him would be my guess.

I‘m moving to Kelsier. He doesn‘t appear motivated anyway.
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2024 08:45 Vivax wrote:
What I like about scott is that he seemed pretty genuine as of late. He isn‘t really trying every trick in the book to keep himself afloat just doing his thing.

Kelsier might have given up as either alignment.
Then Vivax has this reason to vote for scott31337:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2024 09:43 Vivax wrote:
On June 09 2024 09:19 scott31337 wrote:
On June 09 2024 09:04 AlphaZero wrote:
On June 09 2024 08:59 Mocsta wrote:
On June 09 2024 08:58 rsoultin wrote:
On June 09 2024 08:47 Mocsta wrote:
On June 09 2024 08:45 Vivax wrote:
What I like about scott is that he seemed pretty genuine as of late. He isn‘t really trying every trick in the book to keep himself afloat just doing his thing.

Kelsier might have given up as either alignment.
town can also not want to be mislynched.. is this 'effort'notion a scott meta thing?


at the risk of answering for viva

if scum's gonna keep posting they want to either

1) try to get the lynch off them
2) shit up the thread

or they just roll over

i guess there's the third option of trying to get more attention so it's off a scummate if you've got two scum up for lynch?

i wouldn't say that's what scott's posting looks like. guy's been scumread from minute 1 and still is just bebopping around
salient notion

alphazero - where does that sit with you?


Well he is trying to survive, to me he just continues to exhibit the traits that o find scummy and I outlined above. Says things and can’t provide foundations or reasoning that can really be taken seriously.


We can even contrast that with your own play, you have looked substantially more town aligned the more you interacted and explained thought processes and your reads have changed and grown as that has happened.

Scott’s reads haven’t changed and he hasn’t looked any better. That is classic mafia trait imo.




I favor Oats more than the last magical time you are making up. That's a change of read.
Rsoul is a little higher on my list as well.
Trfel isn't going to change much today unless he does something stupid.
What's there to change on DMB,sandroba, and Alakaslam? They haven't posted.
Marv isn't coming back tonight from his word.
Kelsi3r - nuff said
Mocsta - I still town read him even if he gets junk from other people. Is still thinking reasonable, unlike yourself.
Vivax - I wouldn't lynch today either.



On June 09 2024 09:38 scott31337 wrote:
On June 09 2024 09:33 Vivax wrote:
On June 09 2024 09:29 scott31337 wrote:
On June 09 2024 09:18 Mocsta wrote:
one underlying issue i have with scott is that

when he was getting heat and i backed him, he made some posts that soft buddied to me.. which i thought was completely reasonable if town.

my issue therefore is that, as my read with AZ has shifted and evolved, hes not paid attention (publicly at least) to it.. no comments or impact on scotts AZ read is very weird to me.

now scott says hes completely up to date, so its been read, and apparently not relevant - so again. i find this super super weird and struggling to identify how town would do that.


AZ is not the lynch today unless everyone expands their mind. So forgive me for not spending the energy nested into such.

But he's my #2 still - so help me out - maybe I missed a point of yours.


Excuse me but what do you mean by the bolded.


Town.


Yes. I'm town. But that doesn't answer the question.

If you're so convinced we should lynch AZ which I suppose you are by saying that the mind of town is closed, why isn't he in the list ?
And then this?
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2024 10:52 Vivax wrote:
Considering the time I‘ll just let Kelsier happen ig
He sounds so sad about lynching Kelsi3r, who he was very content to lynch for much of the day, and was getting increasingly happy to lynch until scott31337 did something that stuck out to him as especially scummy. This doesn't add up from the town perspective, Vivax ought to be at least content with a Kelsi3r lynch.

Then, Vivax has a series of posts after the deadline about scott31337 being town:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2024 12:07 Vivax wrote:
Scott is never going to get lynched on D2, and he isn‘t going to get vigged either. Going by experience.

Doesn‘t have to be a bad thing but it means we look for 2-3 outside of him.
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2024 12:13 Vivax wrote:
On June 09 2024 12:09 die_meatbaby wrote:
On June 09 2024 12:07 Vivax wrote:
Scott is never going to get lynched on D2, and he isn‘t going to get vigged either. Going by experience.

Doesn‘t have to be a bad thing but it means we look for 2-3 outside of him.


how about giving a look on ninja rayn or az


Az lookedlike he was posting forcibly around EoD, rayn didn‘t make himself readable.

Townies can have reasons to refuse to be readable. To be honest everyone has good reason to refuse to be readable.

I‘d guess the masons of the day were rayn and Trfel.

The flip doesn‘t automatically make Scott more scummy, if you were town in his situation you‘d understand why, so look at those who think so.
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2024 12:17 Vivax wrote:
With the Kelsier flip and if he‘s town, Scott starts becoming useful to mafia.
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2024 12:35 Vivax wrote:
On June 09 2024 12:32 Mocsta wrote:
On June 09 2024 12:25 Vivax wrote:
On June 09 2024 12:18 Mocsta wrote:
On June 09 2024 12:13 Vivax wrote:
The flip doesn‘t automatically make Scott more scummy, if you were town in his situation you‘d understand why, so look at those who think so.
help me out, im being dumb dumb

the only reason i can see is this from marv
https://tl.net/forum/mafia/625928-sweet-summer-mafia?page=66#1302

like.. why cant mafia have wagoned kelsier to save scott equally?

i get in marv of rsoultin, he is expecting the most likely answer is double-town wagon; yet, why cannot it not be an effort to save scott equally?


It‘s beneficial to take sides as mafia here. Or maybe look undecided. They only have two buffets to choose from and don‘t have to be active so there‘s zero downside to being active, preferrably on the side of the one who‘s going to remain unflipped.

Without accounting for players who are time constrained or just don‘t care enough.
i see which feeds into my ongoing concerns with how the kelsi3r train was building

i dont want to blanket discard how d1 unfolded for you; heuristically for me, its really hard to not acknowledge the complexities of having 1/3 of town to barely post for the 24hrs before lynch. it makes it hard for me to then follow your interpretation.

i am in agreement with the other post that there should be options outside of scott tomorrow though.


Right ? Wouldn‘t make much sense after a majority decided to spare him.

My next favourite would be the rsoultin slot because theirs was one of the deciding votes.

Not necessarily to lynch but definitely to consider.
Which makes absolutely no sense given that he still strongly believes that scott31337 is mafia. How is not lynching scott31337, who is mafia, a bad thing? That's absolutely a bad thing! Vivax was seemingly frustrated that he had to settle for the Kelsi3r lynch instead of lynching scott31337, why is he suddenly accepting the "majority-decided" verdict of keeping scott31337 alive and why is that a reason to focus on other people instead?

It's not that what Vivax is saying is wrong necessarily, or in other words, it's completely fine to have alternative lynch options to scott31337. But from the perspective of someone who thinks scott31337 is mafia, and just missed out on lynching him, why is his focus on finding other people to focus on (besides scott31337) and what it means if scott31337 is town? Why isn't his focus on scott31337 being mafia? If Vivax was no longer scumreading scott31337 then this makes sense, but that isn't the case at all:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2024 00:16 Vivax wrote:
On June 10 2024 00:14 Trfel wrote:
On June 09 2024 23:53 Vivax wrote:
I have a townread on dmb fwiw. She seems very relaxed tonally.

I‘d like a doc on marv.
I‘d like rayn to play the game.

I love GabeN
Is scott31337 mafia still?


I think so. Don‘t understand his post about AZ if he isn‘t.
The end result is that Vivax is very suspicious. There hasn't been the normal insightful thinking or tinfoil, he seemed very happy with the two wagons day 1 (scott31337 and Kelsi3r), despite the odds of both being mafia being quite low. I would have thought this was even more suspicious for someone with paranoia like Vivax, but instead he seems quite content with the gamestate.

For some reason it took me a long time to understand this. But having spent said time, I think it’s a good case
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 09 2024 20:03 GMT
#1907
I was really hoping that Vivax would go after me more and give himself away but unfortunately he backed down

Does anyone have a reason that Vivax might not be mafia? Because I don't really have reservations tbh, besides potentially activity level.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22143 Posts
June 09 2024 20:04 GMT
#1908
On June 10 2024 04:59 die_meatbaby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2024 04:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 10 2024 04:50 die_meatbaby wrote:
On June 10 2024 04:45 Vivax wrote:
I have a sudden strong urge to be in an asylum and take fancy pills

now that i know that the nazi politicians won the election today i need the pills urgently or whatever takes me to another universe

come to finland!

would love to go there finland, norway. I used to love iceland but since I got to know Palmar I don´t want to go there anymore


He‘s the chieftain of the island. A very bloodthirsty and savage man I have heard. He wears the skulls of his enemies
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 09 2024 20:04 GMT
#1909
On June 10 2024 04:10 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2024 04:07 marvellosity wrote:
On June 10 2024 04:05 Koshi wrote:
On June 10 2024 04:03 AlphaZero wrote:
On June 10 2024 04:01 Koshi wrote:
marv. After the game. Please remember to tell me why you would scumread me so hard over Mocsta and sandroba.


It’s cause you called him mafia for bad reasons.

Well, if Mocsta and Sandroba the reasons are pretty good.

They really aren’t though. I don’t understand how you can (or could) think my (multiple) attacks on Mocsta would be bussing? How pointless would that be from me?

Because I see them as "attacks". I thought Mocsta didn't answer them good enough for you to switch on him. But you did. Which was odd.

Same with Sandroba. That weird answer your own question into hardtownreading him seemed way too hasty and lazy.

On top of that you were the first or second vote on a scott who I townread.


Reasons are legit.

So the scum team is Sandro marv and mocsta and they all tried to lynch Scott and failed? Good theory
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 09 2024 20:06 GMT
#1910
On June 10 2024 04:32 Koshi wrote:
There is no way in hell scott is mafia. I read 3 pages and I know enough.

Koshi falling into the classic too many townread trap
No gg, No skill.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 09 2024 20:07 GMT
#1911
On June 10 2024 04:58 Trfel wrote:
Vivax
+ Show Spoiler +

Vivax seemed to scumread both scott31337 and Kelsi3r. He spent much of his day 1 trying to figure out which was the better lynch (while suspecting both). See these posts (for example) about his increasing desire to lynch Kelsi3r:
On June 09 2024 07:18 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2024 07:03 Mocsta wrote:
I'm becoming more and more open to lynch outside kelsier

He doesn't looked bullied out to me as his tone is pretty consistent start to finish

I still think his tone specifically to me is more unhelpful mafia than town, however the nonchalantness is somewhat consistent even after which I am.imcreasingly.viewing as townie

...

I really don't want to vote Scott for mason stuff
Is there a case outside of that?
....
Rsoultin I will give sandroba a read


I think the opposite the less Kelsier does the more I want to lynch him.

Feels like a weird defense here if you don‘t have a particularly strong conviction outside of that.
On June 09 2024 07:51 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2024 07:46 scott31337 wrote:
On June 09 2024 07:39 Vivax wrote:
I‘m comfy with Az taking the reins here. They seem competent and townish to me.

Them pitting Oats against me was a bit dickish tho


If you do this, He's going to want to lynch me and I'll flip town.

Only if you lynch him D2 is this a suitable outcome.


There‘s people I think are around but just choosing not to post. Mocsta and him would be my guess.

I‘m moving to Kelsier. He doesn‘t appear motivated anyway.
On June 09 2024 08:45 Vivax wrote:
What I like about scott is that he seemed pretty genuine as of late. He isn‘t really trying every trick in the book to keep himself afloat just doing his thing.

Kelsier might have given up as either alignment.
Then Vivax has this reason to vote for scott31337:
On June 09 2024 09:43 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2024 09:19 scott31337 wrote:
On June 09 2024 09:04 AlphaZero wrote:
On June 09 2024 08:59 Mocsta wrote:
On June 09 2024 08:58 rsoultin wrote:
On June 09 2024 08:47 Mocsta wrote:
On June 09 2024 08:45 Vivax wrote:
What I like about scott is that he seemed pretty genuine as of late. He isn‘t really trying every trick in the book to keep himself afloat just doing his thing.

Kelsier might have given up as either alignment.
town can also not want to be mislynched.. is this 'effort'notion a scott meta thing?


at the risk of answering for viva

if scum's gonna keep posting they want to either

1) try to get the lynch off them
2) shit up the thread

or they just roll over

i guess there's the third option of trying to get more attention so it's off a scummate if you've got two scum up for lynch?

i wouldn't say that's what scott's posting looks like. guy's been scumread from minute 1 and still is just bebopping around
salient notion

alphazero - where does that sit with you?


Well he is trying to survive, to me he just continues to exhibit the traits that o find scummy and I outlined above. Says things and can’t provide foundations or reasoning that can really be taken seriously.


We can even contrast that with your own play, you have looked substantially more town aligned the more you interacted and explained thought processes and your reads have changed and grown as that has happened.

Scott’s reads haven’t changed and he hasn’t looked any better. That is classic mafia trait imo.




I favor Oats more than the last magical time you are making up. That's a change of read.
Rsoul is a little higher on my list as well.
Trfel isn't going to change much today unless he does something stupid.
What's there to change on DMB,sandroba, and Alakaslam? They haven't posted.
Marv isn't coming back tonight from his word.
Kelsi3r - nuff said
Mocsta - I still town read him even if he gets junk from other people. Is still thinking reasonable, unlike yourself.
Vivax - I wouldn't lynch today either.



Show nested quote +
On June 09 2024 09:38 scott31337 wrote:
On June 09 2024 09:33 Vivax wrote:
On June 09 2024 09:29 scott31337 wrote:
On June 09 2024 09:18 Mocsta wrote:
one underlying issue i have with scott is that

when he was getting heat and i backed him, he made some posts that soft buddied to me.. which i thought was completely reasonable if town.

my issue therefore is that, as my read with AZ has shifted and evolved, hes not paid attention (publicly at least) to it.. no comments or impact on scotts AZ read is very weird to me.

now scott says hes completely up to date, so its been read, and apparently not relevant - so again. i find this super super weird and struggling to identify how town would do that.


AZ is not the lynch today unless everyone expands their mind. So forgive me for not spending the energy nested into such.

But he's my #2 still - so help me out - maybe I missed a point of yours.


Excuse me but what do you mean by the bolded.


Town.


Yes. I'm town. But that doesn't answer the question.

If you're so convinced we should lynch AZ which I suppose you are by saying that the mind of town is closed, why isn't he in the list ?
And then this?
On June 09 2024 10:52 Vivax wrote:
Considering the time I‘ll just let Kelsier happen ig
He sounds so sad about lynching Kelsi3r, who he was very content to lynch for much of the day, and was getting increasingly happy to lynch until scott31337 did something that stuck out to him as especially scummy. This doesn't add up from the town perspective, Vivax ought to be at least content with a Kelsi3r lynch.

Then, Vivax has a series of posts after the deadline about scott31337 being town:
On June 09 2024 12:07 Vivax wrote:
Scott is never going to get lynched on D2, and he isn‘t going to get vigged either. Going by experience.

Doesn‘t have to be a bad thing but it means we look for 2-3 outside of him.
On June 09 2024 12:13 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2024 12:09 die_meatbaby wrote:
On June 09 2024 12:07 Vivax wrote:
Scott is never going to get lynched on D2, and he isn‘t going to get vigged either. Going by experience.

Doesn‘t have to be a bad thing but it means we look for 2-3 outside of him.


how about giving a look on ninja rayn or az


Az lookedlike he was posting forcibly around EoD, rayn didn‘t make himself readable.

Townies can have reasons to refuse to be readable. To be honest everyone has good reason to refuse to be readable.

I‘d guess the masons of the day were rayn and Trfel.

The flip doesn‘t automatically make Scott more scummy, if you were town in his situation you‘d understand why, so look at those who think so.
On June 09 2024 12:17 Vivax wrote:
With the Kelsier flip and if he‘s town, Scott starts becoming useful to mafia.
On June 09 2024 12:35 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2024 12:32 Mocsta wrote:
On June 09 2024 12:25 Vivax wrote:
On June 09 2024 12:18 Mocsta wrote:
On June 09 2024 12:13 Vivax wrote:
The flip doesn‘t automatically make Scott more scummy, if you were town in his situation you‘d understand why, so look at those who think so.
help me out, im being dumb dumb

the only reason i can see is this from marv
https://tl.net/forum/mafia/625928-sweet-summer-mafia?page=66#1302

like.. why cant mafia have wagoned kelsier to save scott equally?

i get in marv of rsoultin, he is expecting the most likely answer is double-town wagon; yet, why cannot it not be an effort to save scott equally?


It‘s beneficial to take sides as mafia here. Or maybe look undecided. They only have two buffets to choose from and don‘t have to be active so there‘s zero downside to being active, preferrably on the side of the one who‘s going to remain unflipped.

Without accounting for players who are time constrained or just don‘t care enough.
i see which feeds into my ongoing concerns with how the kelsi3r train was building

i dont want to blanket discard how d1 unfolded for you; heuristically for me, its really hard to not acknowledge the complexities of having 1/3 of town to barely post for the 24hrs before lynch. it makes it hard for me to then follow your interpretation.

i am in agreement with the other post that there should be options outside of scott tomorrow though.


Right ? Wouldn‘t make much sense after a majority decided to spare him.

My next favourite would be the rsoultin slot because theirs was one of the deciding votes.

Not necessarily to lynch but definitely to consider.
Which makes absolutely no sense given that he still strongly believes that scott31337 is mafia. How is not lynching scott31337, who is mafia, a bad thing? That's absolutely a bad thing! Vivax was seemingly frustrated that he had to settle for the Kelsi3r lynch instead of lynching scott31337, why is he suddenly accepting the "majority-decided" verdict of keeping scott31337 alive and why is that a reason to focus on other people instead?

It's not that what Vivax is saying is wrong necessarily, or in other words, it's completely fine to have alternative lynch options to scott31337. But from the perspective of someone who thinks scott31337 is mafia, and just missed out on lynching him, why is his focus on finding other people to focus on (besides scott31337) and what it means if scott31337 is town? Why isn't his focus on scott31337 being mafia? If Vivax was no longer scumreading scott31337 then this makes sense, but that isn't the case at all:
On June 10 2024 00:16 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2024 00:14 Trfel wrote:
On June 09 2024 23:53 Vivax wrote:
I have a townread on dmb fwiw. She seems very relaxed tonally.

I‘d like a doc on marv.
I‘d like rayn to play the game.

I love GabeN
Is scott31337 mafia still?


I think so. Don‘t understand his post about AZ if he isn‘t.
The end result is that Vivax is very suspicious. There hasn't been the normal insightful thinking or tinfoil, he seemed very happy with the two wagons day 1 (scott31337 and Kelsi3r), despite the odds of both being mafia being quite low. I would have thought this was even more suspicious for someone with paranoia like Vivax, but instead he seems quite content with the gamestate.

What is the core of your case? You believe town!Vivax should be trying to convince the thread to lynch scott more because his mindset is that scott is sure mafia? The fact Vivax is not doing that makes you think that this is mafia!Vivax faking reads.

Because some of the quotes from your previous case felt like it was just Vivax bantering and being at worst apathic about towns capabilities based on previous games and stuff.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 09 2024 20:08 GMT
#1912
On June 10 2024 05:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2024 04:32 Koshi wrote:
There is no way in hell scott is mafia. I read 3 pages and I know enough.

Koshi falling into the classic too many townread trap

Nha as long as I don't townread Mocsta Sandroba and for example Slam I am still good. As mafia for sure because I wouldn't expect town to actually lynch my scumreads.
I had a good night of sleep.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 09 2024 20:09 GMT
#1913
On June 10 2024 05:03 Trfel wrote:
I was really hoping that Vivax would go after me more and give himself away but unfortunately he backed down

Does anyone have a reason that Vivax might not be mafia? Because I don't really have reservations tbh, besides potentially activity level.

i dont.
table for two on a tv tray
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 09 2024 20:10 GMT
#1914
On June 10 2024 05:03 Trfel wrote:
I was really hoping that Vivax would go after me more and give himself away but unfortunately he backed down

Does anyone have a reason that Vivax might not be mafia? Because I don't really have reservations tbh, besides potentially activity level.

Besides activity I don't have good reasons either. I just clicked filter, saw 8ish pages, and read his doomsday posts with some misplaced enjoyment.
I had a good night of sleep.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 09 2024 20:10 GMT
#1915
On June 10 2024 05:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2024 04:32 Koshi wrote:
There is no way in hell scott is mafia. I read 3 pages and I know enough.

Koshi falling into the classic too many townread trap

is he falling or mafia?
table for two on a tv tray
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 09 2024 20:10 GMT
#1916
On June 10 2024 04:42 AlphaZero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2024 04:40 Oatsmaster wrote:
On June 10 2024 03:44 AlphaZero wrote:
Just so we are clear for people like trfel and Marv.

When invited to give any reason at all for his biggest scum read of the game Scott didn’t answer and said some bs about the nk that makes no sense.

Then left the thread. He did this because there is no genuine thought process behind his reads. So he couldnt answer and deflected instead.

This is not a bad argument or lynch bait thing.

This is something that comes from mafia.

That’s literally a lynch bait thing how many games have you played?


I thought you were convinced on scott

Nah I don’t think I was ever convinced on Scott
No gg, No skill.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 09 2024 20:11 GMT
#1917
On June 10 2024 05:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2024 05:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
On June 10 2024 04:32 Koshi wrote:
There is no way in hell scott is mafia. I read 3 pages and I know enough.

Koshi falling into the classic too many townread trap

is he falling or mafia?

I think falling into it as mafia.
I had a good night of sleep.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 09 2024 20:11 GMT
#1918
On June 10 2024 05:11 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2024 05:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 10 2024 05:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
On June 10 2024 04:32 Koshi wrote:
There is no way in hell scott is mafia. I read 3 pages and I know enough.

Koshi falling into the classic too many townread trap

is he falling or mafia?

I think falling into it as mafia.

you think youre falling into it as mafia? :D
table for two on a tv tray
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 09 2024 20:11 GMT
#1919
On June 10 2024 05:10 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2024 05:03 Trfel wrote:
I was really hoping that Vivax would go after me more and give himself away but unfortunately he backed down

Does anyone have a reason that Vivax might not be mafia? Because I don't really have reservations tbh, besides potentially activity level.

Besides activity I don't have good reasons either. I just clicked filter, saw 8ish pages, and read his doomsday posts with some misplaced enjoyment.

8ish pages isn’t a bad towncase tbh lol
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22143 Posts
June 09 2024 20:12 GMT
#1920
On June 10 2024 04:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2024 04:50 die_meatbaby wrote:
On June 10 2024 04:45 Vivax wrote:
I have a sudden strong urge to be in an asylum and take fancy pills

now that i know that the nazi politicians won the election today i need the pills urgently or whatever takes me to another universe

come to finland!


More likely than you think. This place ruined us.
Prev 1 94 95 96 97 98 280 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 9h 34m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Nathanias 154
CosmosSc2 41
StarCraft: Brood War
Artosis 629
Shuttle 551
Leta 44
910 36
NaDa 17
Dota 2
syndereN339
capcasts89
League of Legends
C9.Mang0328
Counter-Strike
summit1g3349
Foxcn319
taco 27
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King94
AZ_Axe91
Other Games
tarik_tv6436
Liquid`RaSZi2092
Grubby1819
FrodaN1106
shahzam558
B2W.Neo192
Fnx 142
Maynarde96
ViBE89
KnowMe70
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick3181
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 79
• HeavenSC 70
• davetesta44
• IndyKCrew
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Migwel
• intothetv
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Kozan
StarCraft: Brood War
• Azhi_Dahaki42
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota21376
League of Legends
• Doublelift4660
• Scarra1097
Other Games
• imaqtpie2221
Upcoming Events
The PondCast
9h 34m
OSC
11h 34m
Jumy vs sebesdes
Nicoract vs GgMaChine
ReBellioN vs MaNa
Lemon vs TriGGeR
Gerald vs Cure
Creator vs SHIN
OSC
1d 11h
All Star Teams
2 days
INnoVation vs soO
Serral vs herO
Cure vs Solar
sOs vs Scarlett
Classic vs Clem
Reynor vs Maru
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
2 days
All Star Teams
3 days
MMA vs DongRaeGu
Rogue vs Oliveira
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
OSC
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Wardi Open
4 days
[ Show More ]
Monday Night Weeklies
4 days
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-01-14
Big Gabe Cup #3
NA Kuram Kup

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
OSC Championship Season 13
Underdog Cup #3
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S1: W4
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Rongyi Cup S3
SC2 All-Star Inv. 2025
Nations Cup 2026
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.