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rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
June 08 2024 00:24 GMT
#601
okay obviously i need to explain

isn't the crux of the push on scott

1) he opened with setup discussion = mafia = policy lynch
2) he asked how masons are towny then explained how masons are towny = objectively inconsistent
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 08 2024 00:25 GMT
#602
On June 08 2024 09:24 rsoultin wrote:
okay obviously i need to explain

isn't the crux of the push on scott

1) he opened with setup discussion = mafia = policy lynch
2) he asked how masons are towny then explained how masons are towny = objectively inconsistent

No

Read sands posts again
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 08 2024 00:26 GMT
#603
On June 08 2024 09:22 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2024 09:20 rsoultin wrote:
On June 08 2024 09:18 marvellosity wrote:
On June 08 2024 09:16 rsoultin wrote:
so like, in the world of you and az...viva and scott are both scum

i mean i guess it's possible but such an early buss feels strange?

Vivax may or may not be scum. He can be town. Just because he looks a bit worse than early d1 doesn’t make him maf necessarily. Regardless it’s too weak of a pre~flip association to pay any attention to. And you should know better tbh :p


i mean sure but you were ready to lynch him two seconds before az called scott so like...what changed?

When was I??

Also for real? Lol
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
June 08 2024 00:26 GMT
#604
On June 08 2024 08:17 AlphaZero wrote:
I’ll lynch vivax with you oats.

Vote:vivax


gdit i'm losing my fucking mind, it was az not you
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 08 2024 00:27 GMT
#605
Hahahah
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
June 08 2024 00:29 GMT
#606
On June 08 2024 00:06 sandroba wrote:
Basically if the initial question wasn't fake, definitely what rayn answered is not enough to address the question.
If it is fake you are either doing it to create discussion and you don't really care about it, or you are trying to blend in not create discussion.
If you intension is the former which could be a townie agenda, you wouldn't try to cut it short when you got the discussion going, which was what scott did. It makes more sense it was the latter which points to mafia agenda.


what, this one marv?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 08 2024 00:30 GMT
#607
Yes
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 08 2024 00:31 GMT
#608
I’m going sleep. Too late for a 39 yo
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
die_meatbaby
Profile Joined May 2023
Colombia1344 Posts
June 08 2024 00:33 GMT
#609
On June 08 2024 09:26 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2024 08:17 AlphaZero wrote:
I’ll lynch vivax with you oats.

Vote:vivax


gdit i'm losing my fucking mind, it was az not you

uff i don´t why this makes you a bit townie for me. a fucking bs mistake what just feels so green for me. But i need more to make actuall reads.
whats you opinion on az?
Everything has an end only the sausage has two
die_meatbaby
Profile Joined May 2023
Colombia1344 Posts
June 08 2024 00:34 GMT
#610
On June 08 2024 09:22 scott31337 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2024 09:16 die_meatbaby wrote:
On June 08 2024 09:12 scott31337 wrote:
On June 08 2024 09:07 rsoultin wrote:
mmmeeeh i don't wanna lynch scott tho -_-


Then don't unless you are Mafia with DP/AZ

Even if I get mislynched (But I'm a lot better at defending than I was as a newb) it'll give town plenty of info to work with.


can you link me an old game where you rolled a mafia role? (not Newbie Student Mafia VIII your filter and game was to small to compare it or get anything about how you play as mafia)


I'd recommend the database. Remember these were eight plus years ago too.

https://tl.net/forum/mafia/390080-tl-mafia-database

There's only four (Three if you throw out the one you are talking about)

https://tl.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=474146&user=scott31337&view=all
https://tl.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=498066&user=scott31337&view=all

And this one I remember was weak too (lynched day 1) https://tl.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=485267&user=scott31337&view=all


thanks
Everything has an end only the sausage has two
AlphaZero
Profile Joined June 2024
Korea (South)759 Posts
June 08 2024 00:34 GMT
#611
On June 08 2024 09:24 rsoultin wrote:
okay obviously i need to explain

isn't the crux of the push on scott

1) he opened with setup discussion = mafia = policy lynch
2) he asked how masons are towny then explained how masons are towny = objectively inconsistent


You know there is more to it than that. cause you commented on it. Come on now.
"AlphaZero: Four Hours to World Class from a Standing Start"
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
June 08 2024 00:34 GMT
#612
On June 08 2024 09:30 marvellosity wrote:
Yes


yeah that's more parroting. az and rayn had already beaten that to death and frankly...i think it reads like a misunderstanding if you go back and read the interaction between rayn and scott
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
AlphaZero
Profile Joined June 2024
Korea (South)759 Posts
June 08 2024 00:35 GMT
#613
On June 08 2024 09:33 die_meatbaby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2024 09:26 rsoultin wrote:
On June 08 2024 08:17 AlphaZero wrote:
I’ll lynch vivax with you oats.

Vote:vivax


gdit i'm losing my fucking mind, it was az not you

uff i don´t why this makes you a bit townie for me. a fucking bs mistake what just feels so green for me. But i need more to make actuall reads.
whats you opinion on az?


He’s very handsome.
"AlphaZero: Four Hours to World Class from a Standing Start"
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 08 2024 00:36 GMT
#614
On June 08 2024 09:04 die_meatbaby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2024 08:17 AlphaZero wrote:
I’ll lynch vivax with you oats.

Vote:vivax



Is first time you play with vivax?
I am used to always read vivax first because for me are 2 option with vivax
first when i am mafia I have to get him out of the game as fast as possibole
second is if i am town he is still the "easiest" read for me.
If vivax is mafia he just posting random shit, jokes, memes, off the topic stuff and hating the government of austria
if he is Town he actually trys to tell us his opinion, try to find scummy shit, beeing paranoid about chez but he is not in the game and hating the government of austria.

For me he looks like Town (atm)
you have any other scum reads?

Source on the mafia meta read?
No gg, No skill.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 08 2024 00:37 GMT
#615
On June 08 2024 09:12 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2024 09:10 Trfel wrote:
Not really sure what to say.

I don't know what to think of scott31337, he looks suspicious but I feel like I've mislynched him a million times and I'm not sure if this game is any different I was trying to mess with him to change something and let me get a read on him but it didn't really work. Maybe I should see if the discrepancies in his posts are mafia motivated? I guess that makes sense?

Idon't think the early thing about masons/whisperers/whatever had much mafia motivation. It's clumsy, but honestly it strikes me more as clumsy than scummy.

I actually kinda liked scott31337's post on AlphaZero. Not that I agree with it, but I think it's a reasonable perspective for scott31337 to have as town? I don't know why he would do this as mafia, I guess I doubt he'd have the confidence? I could definitely be wrong, but like, scott31337 brought up an original argument. That's pretty neat. Even if it's (imo) a bad argument, I'm still pleasantly surprised

So yeah, I kinda don't want to lynch scott31337. Could absolutely be wrong, it's far from the worst lynch ever, but I don't find the arguments super compelling given the context.
Don't really want to lynch sandroba either unless something changes, either in his play or in my read. His play hasn't been super inspiring or anything imo, but I don't think that makes him mafia. Maybe if we keep waiting and this doesn't change I could start to see it but we haven't even been playing for 24 hours, I don't think it's reasonable to hold him to super high standards at this time. If he did something scummy that'd be different, but a lack of super towny stuff doesn't make him mafia imo.
I guess I'll just wait and hope that either people re-evaluate Kelsi3r or I'm wrong (which is pretty likely tbh, I have no idea how to find mafia on day 1 especially, my reads tend to be more accurate when flipped upside down). So maybe it's a good thing that no one agrees XD

Or clumsy in a scummy way
Theoretically yes, but that's not how I read it.

I guess I don't put much weight in the idea that scum say little things to look like they're present without actually doing anything. Or rather, I think town ends up with similar posts pretty often, especially at the start of the game. It's just hard for me to say with any confidence that this is a scum trait. Maybe for strong town players it could be scummy, but I see this from less confident town players all the time.

I also don't think that the way scott31337 posted came from a mafia motivated mindset. Like, why would scott31337 be more inclined to make that series of posts as mafia than as town? I guess I just don't get it. Don't misunderstand, I don't think scott31337's posts make any sense, but I don't think they make sense in a mafia way, more just a general illogical way.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
June 08 2024 00:37 GMT
#616
On June 08 2024 09:34 AlphaZero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2024 09:24 rsoultin wrote:
okay obviously i need to explain

isn't the crux of the push on scott

1) he opened with setup discussion = mafia = policy lynch
2) he asked how masons are towny then explained how masons are towny = objectively inconsistent


You know there is more to it than that. cause you commented on it. Come on now.


the 'more to it' isn't interesting to me

it was fine for you and viva to jump on that early cause that was all there was and probably the only interesting thing going on apart from truffle sounding like a bloody robot. we've now got ~30 pages of game
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
die_meatbaby
Profile Joined May 2023
Colombia1344 Posts
June 08 2024 00:37 GMT
#617
On June 08 2024 09:35 AlphaZero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2024 09:33 die_meatbaby wrote:
On June 08 2024 09:26 rsoultin wrote:
On June 08 2024 08:17 AlphaZero wrote:
I’ll lynch vivax with you oats.

Vote:vivax


gdit i'm losing my fucking mind, it was az not you

uff i don´t why this makes you a bit townie for me. a fucking bs mistake what just feels so green for me. But i need more to make actuall reads.
whats you opinion on az?


He’s very handsome.

are you handsome as well? I feel something cold on my neck when I am reading your posts
Everything has an end only the sausage has two
AlphaZero
Profile Joined June 2024
Korea (South)759 Posts
June 08 2024 00:39 GMT
#618
On June 08 2024 09:37 die_meatbaby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2024 09:35 AlphaZero wrote:
On June 08 2024 09:33 die_meatbaby wrote:
On June 08 2024 09:26 rsoultin wrote:
On June 08 2024 08:17 AlphaZero wrote:
I’ll lynch vivax with you oats.

Vote:vivax


gdit i'm losing my fucking mind, it was az not you

uff i don´t why this makes you a bit townie for me. a fucking bs mistake what just feels so green for me. But i need more to make actuall reads.
whats you opinion on az?


He’s very handsome.

are you handsome as well? I feel something cold on my neck when I am reading your posts


Maybe trauma response?
"AlphaZero: Four Hours to World Class from a Standing Start"
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
June 08 2024 00:41 GMT
#619
On June 08 2024 09:33 die_meatbaby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2024 09:26 rsoultin wrote:
On June 08 2024 08:17 AlphaZero wrote:
I’ll lynch vivax with you oats.

Vote:vivax


gdit i'm losing my fucking mind, it was az not you

uff i don´t why this makes you a bit townie for me. a fucking bs mistake what just feels so green for me. But i need more to make actuall reads.
whats you opinion on az?


he's been trending down for me tbh. i don't think i care much about pursuing him today, though. i feel like if he's town we can sort it out later if both of us are even still in the game, and i don't trust myself to read him because he feels like a player i always scumread lol ><
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
AlphaZero
Profile Joined June 2024
Korea (South)759 Posts
June 08 2024 00:41 GMT
#620
On June 08 2024 09:37 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2024 09:34 AlphaZero wrote:
On June 08 2024 09:24 rsoultin wrote:
okay obviously i need to explain

isn't the crux of the push on scott

1) he opened with setup discussion = mafia = policy lynch
2) he asked how masons are towny then explained how masons are towny = objectively inconsistent


You know there is more to it than that. cause you commented on it. Come on now.


the 'more to it' isn't interesting to me

it was fine for you and viva to jump on that early cause that was all there was and probably the only interesting thing going on apart from truffle sounding like a bloody robot. we've now got ~30 pages of game


Yes that’s fair in isolation. but the second point against him definitely tracks with a mafia agenda.

Now there are two points for the same player that don’t sit right. That’s a pattern building.

But hey, feel free to present an alternative option if you see one.

I will consider it on its merits.
"AlphaZero: Four Hours to World Class from a Standing Start"
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