Sweet Summer Mafia - Page 218

On June 14 2024 16:31 Koshi wrote:
Did rayn do bluehunting in your mason? Did he try to see if you were blue AZ?

On June 14 2024 16:30 Trfel wrote:
Sure, if you conveniently ignore the fact that mafia would just night kill you.

It makes me wonder if you are mafia and you came up with the people you wanted to push and then this was natural from your mindset, since mafia don't really have to worry about getting shot? You can't seriously tell me you are town and expected to lynch three mafia in a row without getting shot first?

On June 14 2024 16:32 AlphaZero wrote:
But he would probably know it was too dangerous to do that.

On June 14 2024 16:33 AlphaZero wrote:
What happened to the DMB push?

I ask you to make a case if you want me to consider her properly and then you call rayn mafia.

Literally half a page after calling for rayn to understand your DMB push.

On June 14 2024 16:33 Koshi wrote:

He did it a bit with Slam.

On June 14 2024 16:33 Koshi wrote:

No DMB needs to die.

On June 14 2024 16:33 Koshi wrote:
After DMB I wonder if it is rayn.

On June 14 2024 16:33 AlphaZero wrote:


That wasn;t blue hunting. He wanted him to claim outright. You think that is alignment indicative?

On June 14 2024 16:34 AlphaZero wrote:


You should probably post something more compelling that whatever it is you are doing then.

On June 14 2024 16:14 Trfel wrote:Complete side note but... what if something stupid happened, like sandroba saw his role PM and was like, "this sucks, I don't want to play as mafia" so he went to his mafia chat and was like, "hey guys I don't want to play as mafia, I'm gonna do next to nothing, just bus me" and then rsoultin busses him and we're so bad that we still don't lynch him and eventually sandroba flips and there are a lot of associative reasons to townread mafia members, just because sandroba didn't want to play as mafia?

I don't mean to say that this is particularly likely, but I'd also say it's far from impossible, no? Maybe it's just me being bad at associate reads but I'd much, much, much rather read people mostly based on their own play. I just think there are so many fewer ways to screw it up.

I guess I thought AlphaZero's stance on sandroba was pretty clear, but maybe I'm somehow the only one? I have a really hard time thinking about this as AlphaZero's fault instead of the rest of yours though, tbh.

Unless that's not what you're saying, I'm a little confused because for the first 2/3 of the post you seem to be saying that AlphaZero is scummy because he failed to communicate his view on flipped mafia sandroba in a way that others can understand, and in the last 1/3 you seem to be saying that his play is too clean and that makes it look fake. I guess I'm just not sure which one it is, or is it both? But they seem a little mutually exclusive, no?

Also, I really wouldn't recommend sheeping me, I have no idea what's what. You have been much more present and involved than I have for a while now, trust yourself. You're more than capable, you've got this.

On June 14 2024 16:34 AlphaZero wrote:


Scott is 1000000% mafia.

im less sure on mocsta.

he is like 60%

On June 14 2024 16:47 Mocsta wrote:
you've made your point very clear and I do agree.

In that regard, slam/dmb i just dont know how to read. removing any associations, dmb play this game makes me want to lynch her which is what im finding hard to reconcile, as what i recall are her tunnel focuses have not resolved.

again, removing associations, i find AZ scummy as fuck. yes, you've been really good to highlight to you dont see what im seeing. i dunno, could i be tunneled? Maybe, i dont think i should feel the way i do about another townie though.
i dont mean to be disrespectful, its possibly a life experience thing but thats way too broad an assumption? i dunno. as im not really sure how to describe it further without resulting in accusations that could genuinely be insulting and are not intended as such.

i dont know what you mean by fault? my distillation of how az is playing?

Again, i cant figure out the impasse we have to figure out how to adjust the message.

My recollection is along the lines of:
AZ: Sandroba is an F-Tier scum read --> is that not lock scum?
AZ: Sandroba has posted dont lynch today -> why does it matter.. what was posted that was relevant to adjust read
AZ: if sandroba is afk, then mafia

how can this be anything but advocating for a policy (inactivity) lynch? -> that is within sandrobas power to control.
do not forget, this applies to a F-tier read.. i mean.. c'mon. even i dont go out of my way to avoid voting someone like this

i dunno what else to say.. what is sleight of hand?

look at my left hand, whilst my right hand does something different. then lets all laugh together and enjoy the magic.

AZ defends the D2 lynch and is quick fire to post that he indeed had a scumread on sandroba (i really hope this is correct as my memory is hazy now)
That the left hand.. but what is the right hand doing?

The votes say the right hand joined me on Rayn.. fuck DMB wagon.. why rayn which could have been a legit counter wagon to Sandroba at one point - and is a part of why rayn talks about about sandroba wagon being so hard (i hope at least)

You are being razzle dazzled because AlphaZero is able to plug gaps that give you a sense of solving the game, but its all about him.

I dont know what else to say.Maybe some super analytical players can backup every decision as clean as AlphaZero, yet i find you to be significantly more analytical than Alpha, and somehow have a messier filter.. how does this come about?

This is all with associatives removed.
If i add the associatves, the rayn mason log i think is important as it restricts a lot of freedom AZ has, because rayn has separate dialogue going on and potentially is even the main cause of push-pull i identified.. obviously this is too imaginary for you to walk along with me, so ignore as you need.

presence isnt related to finding mafia.
my point is, i dont want to throw my vote away again.
i respect the way you are going about the game and thats why i said what i did.