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On June 10 2024 20:02 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 19:45 AlphaZero wrote:On June 10 2024 19:36 Mocsta wrote:On June 10 2024 19:21 Koshi wrote:
Pretty sure scott is 100% town. No way he puts marv in black before shooting him.
In addition to everything I said about him and marv townreading him That's a good point too I think that’s really easy thing to do as mafia. So I disagree. In all honesty I don't even get how this could possibly mean anything about scott31337? For example, I know I've dropped an end of night case on the person I was shooting before. Why would scott31337 not null-read marvellosity as mafia? Truly confused. @Mocsta, I don't ever think lynching for info is worth it tbh. I think we'd gain a lot less clarity than expected. fair enough
I can't recall a time I have seen someone burn effort like that
I guess koshi point is that scum would more likely polarised by calling marv scum
It's the null territory that's unusual
At least how I understood it
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On June 10 2024 20:02 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 19:45 AlphaZero wrote:On June 10 2024 19:36 Mocsta wrote:On June 10 2024 19:21 Koshi wrote:
Pretty sure scott is 100% town. No way he puts marv in black before shooting him.
In addition to everything I said about him and marv townreading him That's a good point too I think that’s really easy thing to do as mafia. So I disagree. In all honesty I don't even get how this could possibly mean anything about scott31337? For example, I know I've dropped an end of night case on the person I was shooting before. Why would scott31337 not null-read marvellosity as mafia? Truly confused. @Mocsta, I don't ever think lynching for info is worth it tbh. I think we'd gain a lot less clarity than expected.
You are right it means nothing.
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AlphaZero, is scott31337 still your preferred lynch today? I'm curious if anyone else is worth considering from your perspective?
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On June 10 2024 12:02 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 11:54 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 10 2024 11:47 Trfel wrote:
Die_meatbaby, do you have a read on scott31337 yet?
Either way though, look at it this way:
1. Scott31337 is town. This means that town spent the vast majority of day 1 focusing on town wagons (Kelsi3r and scott31337), so mafia didn't have to do anything but sit there and watch. In this context, does AlphaZero's play (huge push for lynching scott31337, to the point of great frustration) make sense? Yes it's theoretically possible, but it's so much simpler for AlphaZero to just be town. Mafia players (alignment) don't tend to go through tons of extra work if they don't have to.
2. Scott31337 is mafia. Why on earth would AlphaZero spend all day pushing his scum buddy scott31337 against so much resistance? And even if this is what happened, if he was trying to bus scott31337, then why wouldn't scott31337 give up, since he knows he is being bussed? It's theoretically possible for them to both be mafia and for things to play out like they did but it's not realistic at all. I still believe scott is somehow town. I said it before most of the time we have t vs t lynch on d1. I will tomorrow take time to filter everybody reread the game and make a list post. For now I will go to sleep. You can't honestly tell me you are going to read 111+ pages tomorrow? That's simply not realistic. Plus filters on top? This is the kind of thing I find suspicious. "sorry I've been inactive I will catch up now" "I'll have more time tomorrow and will play properly" "stuck at work, tomorrow I will be here" "now I will have real time to play" "sorry work was busy so I will go to sleep and reread the game tomorrow" "I'll try more when more people are active" "I'm sorry I didn't play yesterday due to work, I'll start playing as soon as the night phase is over" "I'll post my scumreads before the night ends" "oops my nap was too long, [random names of people who might be mafia with no reason]" "I'll have a lot of time the next two days" "tomorrow I will filter everyone and reread the game and post my reads" When does it end? Also, in case it wasn't clear, each one of the quotes above has a direct match in die_meatbaby's filter. I paraphrased slightly for clarity but the sheer number of excuses is striking. Die_meatbaby seems willing to do anything besides actually play the game and figure out who is mafia.
Maybe it's a bad reason but if all else is equal, I just don't want to lose to this? Not sure when but unless something changes dramatically, it's hard to see a way around flipping or blue action'ing this slot at some point.
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On June 10 2024 19:45 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 19:36 Mocsta wrote:On June 10 2024 19:21 Koshi wrote:
Pretty sure scott is 100% town. No way he puts marv in black before shooting him.
In addition to everything I said about him and marv townreading him That's a good point too I think that’s really easy thing to do as mafia. So I disagree.
Everything is easy to do as mafia. You just have to do it.
marv had him as town. Mafia!scott could easily townread marv, reiterate that marv read him as town, and then shoot him.
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On June 10 2024 19:46 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 19:42 Koshi wrote:
Vivax and rayn is really a good place to start today.
Good job Tfrel.
This is very good.
It feels good. I thought you had Rayn as really townie? Why is that and what changed for you?
Yes. I like rayn this game. Nothing changed.
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Lol
Dmb reminds me of that addict that will pay you back next week 
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On June 10 2024 20:02 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 19:45 AlphaZero wrote:On June 10 2024 19:36 Mocsta wrote:On June 10 2024 19:21 Koshi wrote:
Pretty sure scott is 100% town. No way he puts marv in black before shooting him.
In addition to everything I said about him and marv townreading him That's a good point too I think that’s really easy thing to do as mafia. So I disagree. In all honesty I don't even get how this could possibly mean anything about scott31337? For example, I know I've dropped an end of night case on the person I was shooting before. Why would scott31337 not null-read marvellosity as mafia? Truly confused. @Mocsta, I don't ever think lynching for info is worth it tbh. I think we'd gain a lot less clarity than expected.
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Either we have a mafia!scott that sees the entire thread townread marv, his scumteam fear marv and decides to kill marv, and then writes a waffle on marv right before nking him.
Or town!scott that is paranoid and genuinly thought what he wrote there.
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You people see somebody write something and then go "He just used his fingers on the keyboard, why cant mafia use their fingers on their keyboard"
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I am 20000000% town on scott and if somebody calls him mafia I am just going to vote that person.
Like Vivax is.
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On June 10 2024 20:13 Trfel wrote:
AlphaZero, is scott31337 still your preferred lynch today? I'm curious if anyone else is worth considering from your perspective?
I’m worried I’m tunnelled so I’m going to take a step back. I want to spend some time reviewing things when I get a chance. Not sure when that will be.
I would probably lynch him if I had my way because then I am either visited or I can move on and clear my mind a bit.
I’m trying to do that anyway as basically everyone except Alan and vivax are not interested in lynching him and that’s not great company to keep.
I’d be interested In a Sandro, dmb or Rayn lynch right now. But I’m backing your play here and seeing how things develop
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On June 10 2024 20:38 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 19:46 AlphaZero wrote:On June 10 2024 19:42 Koshi wrote:
Vivax and rayn is really a good place to start today.
Good job Tfrel.
This is very good.
It feels good. I thought you had Rayn as really townie? Why is that and what changed for you? Yes. I like rayn this game. Nothing changed.
Why?
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On June 10 2024 20:52 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 20:13 Trfel wrote:
AlphaZero, is scott31337 still your preferred lynch today? I'm curious if anyone else is worth considering from your perspective? I’m worried I’m tunnelled so I’m going to take a step back. I want to spend some time reviewing things when I get a chance. Not sure when that will be. I would probably lynch him if I had my way because then I am either visited or I can move on and clear my mind a bit. I’m trying to do that anyway as basically everyone except Alan and vivax are not interested in lynching him and that’s not great company to keep. I’d be interested In a Sandro, dmb or Rayn lynch right now. But I’m backing your play here and seeing how things develop Who is Alan?
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rsoultin/koshi
Either rsoultin or koshi have not given me reasons to see them as mafia. Koshi is really activ, trying to solve the game here. He has a lot of townreads but he plays still like a Townkoshi would.
Scott
On June 07 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:I think scott31337 is probably the most suspicious person to ever play this game. He's just always mafia somehow, even when his role PM says he is town 
I think you are right also in older games from he looked scummy in his town games.
Trfl
On June 07 2024 20:12 Oatsmaster wrote:
Trfel spending time and energy to fence sit seems townie to me, I don’t really like how rayn has approached today tbh the buddying trfel smells not good
I thought the same thing kinda suspicious, but I think it was nothing.
Trfls Filter wouldn´t make so much sense when he would be mafia. I could not see with who he would be togther in a team.
For right now I see him as a Townie
Sandroba
https://tl.net/forum/mafia/625928-sweet-summer-mafia?user=sandroba
this is 2 page filter.
he comes in the game starts with giving town reads on trfl, rayn, az, kelshier.
far too early in the game to make so many reads.Then hitting a bit on scott and just going offline for ever. For me this filter is a red flag but maybe things change when he would start to play here again.
IF I am corect with sandro mafia then guys look at this shit and you can call me paranoid but thats something now:
Mocsta
sandro making a few townreads on the people who were activ in the begining but not on mocsta he didn´t get a read
On June 07 2024 23:21 sandroba wrote:
I actually like k3lsier too, 0 fucks given on mocsta interaction, seems very townie to me
looks like it's such a safe read that it shouldn't be labeled as town right away so as not to stand out directly as teammates
then the next posts felt to me like playing togther
On June 08 2024 00:11 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2024 00:06 sandroba wrote:
Basically if the initial question wasn't fake, definitely what rayn answered is not enough to address the question.
If it is fake you are either doing it to create discussion and you don't really care about it, or you are trying to blend in not create discussion.
If you intension is the former which could be a townie agenda, you wouldn't try to cut it short when you got the discussion going, which was what scott did. It makes more sense it was the latter which points to mafia agenda. yeah I get this now and accept it's the most likely options I was too focused on a third option which is too low odds (i.e. genuine role query)
the sandro we never saw sandro again...
what happend was
Mocasta playing normal and calling out that he is jailkeeper and he will save oats n1
I would just love to understand why he didn't die on the first night. If someone blue called you kill them that night as mafia. Why are you still alive? What did Marv do to get himself killed and not the PR?
Are you really blue???? Are you really fucking Town? Or are you playing with sandro?
and why jail oats anyway?
if you are town why are you saving oats. Why is he so Town to you. Why not Koshi, marv people who are strong town and often die early. Why oats?
Or have I already found the team here?
this hole thing fucks my head. Either you fuck with me or the mafia, because it doesn´t make sense to me!
also in the same time i think
Vivax
I think I already explained enough why I think he mafia. But this read could change again.
He is hell of paranoid but in RL right now not in the game, maybe this leads to a false read but when he is playing like this he is def. mafia in my eyes. Then I have the question again why is oats in this involved if my currents reads would be correct
or is oats red and vivax green? I don´t thinks so oats looking more townisch then vivax. I am still unsure how read oats.
AZ
I don´t have a good feeling with him. Feels like he wann kinda lead Town somewhere, but not in a way that is too conspicuous. Still try to figure out if this is DP or Palmar. But I think it´s someone who I have played with already. No read on him right now
Rayn
In every fucking game we have played I have read him wrong. He was town i thought mafia and the other way around. I am still to fucking unsure what to think of him right now. In my head kinda scummy so lets say more townisch because I am always wrong with my read on him.
Slam
to less activ to make a read. It´s anyways always hard to read slam but when he only appears minutes before or after somebody died then I can really not read him
AND YOU ALL CAN CALL ME FUCKING PARANOID FOR THIS SANDRO/ MOCSTAR SHIT BUT I THINK THERE'S SOME SHIT GOING ON BETWEEN THE TWO OF THEM
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On June 10 2024 20:58 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 20:52 AlphaZero wrote:On June 10 2024 20:13 Trfel wrote:
AlphaZero, is scott31337 still your preferred lynch today? I'm curious if anyone else is worth considering from your perspective? I’m worried I’m tunnelled so I’m going to take a step back. I want to spend some time reviewing things when I get a chance. Not sure when that will be. I would probably lynch him if I had my way because then I am either visited or I can move on and clear my mind a bit. I’m trying to do that anyway as basically everyone except Alan and vivax are not interested in lynching him and that’s not great company to keep. I’d be interested In a Sandro, dmb or Rayn lynch right now. But I’m backing your play here and seeing how things develop Who is Alan?
Slam.
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On June 10 2024 20:43 Koshi wrote:
I am 20000000% town on scott and if somebody calls him mafia I am just going to vote that person.
Like Vivax is.
it was a fucking town vs town lynch and mafia pushed that so they are safe for the first two lynchs
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On June 10 2024 20:53 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 20:38 Koshi wrote:On June 10 2024 19:46 AlphaZero wrote:On June 10 2024 19:42 Koshi wrote:
Vivax and rayn is really a good place to start today.
Good job Tfrel.
This is very good.
It feels good. I thought you had Rayn as really townie? Why is that and what changed for you? Yes. I like rayn this game. Nothing changed. Why?
I like how he plays this game.
The recent things I dont like:
1) Uncommittal comments to marv about my townread on scott during night. I think rayn still scumreads scott and I dont like how he didn't try to convince marv or me during night and just played along. And then marv died.
2) there was 1 more real thing but I forgot.
3) When I like rayn he is often mafia. Rarely he is mafia when I hate his guts.
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On June 10 2024 21:10 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 20:43 Koshi wrote:
I am 20000000% town on scott and if somebody calls him mafia I am just going to vote that person.
Like Vivax is. it was a fucking town vs town lynch and mafia pushed that so they are safe for the first two lynchs
I think so too. Not sure if mafia pushed the tvt or just didnt interfer.
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On June 10 2024 21:11 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 20:53 AlphaZero wrote:On June 10 2024 20:38 Koshi wrote:On June 10 2024 19:46 AlphaZero wrote:On June 10 2024 19:42 Koshi wrote:
Vivax and rayn is really a good place to start today.
Good job Tfrel.
This is very good.
It feels good. I thought you had Rayn as really townie? Why is that and what changed for you? Yes. I like rayn this game. Nothing changed. Why? I like how he plays this game. The recent things I dont like: 1) Uncommittal comments to marv about my townread on scott during night. I think rayn still scumreads scott and I dont like how he didn't try to convince marv or me during night and just played along. And then marv died. 2) there was 1 more real thing but I forgot. 3) When I like rayn he is often mafia. Rarely he is mafia when I hate his guts.
So you think he could be mafia here is what you are kind of saying?
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On June 10 2024 21:12 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 21:10 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 10 2024 20:43 Koshi wrote:
I am 20000000% town on scott and if somebody calls him mafia I am just going to vote that person.
Like Vivax is. it was a fucking town vs town lynch and mafia pushed that so they are safe for the first two lynchs I think so too. Not sure if mafia pushed the tvt or just didnt interfer.
oh come on trfl said it earlier in the game scott looks scummy no matter of aligment all the time.
Thats true. That just needed I slightly push like sandro did and Town think thats the best shoot for d1 because it´s anyways a high change that we are wrong with the first lynch.
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