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So if she comes back we will make 11k combined.
But noooo[o
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Just checking in to let you know I am at work, I can only phonepost because TL is flagged as a gaming site, and because I don't want to play on my phone while working, I wont be doing anything today.
Tomorrow I work from home.
But the game feels like a clusterfuck atm.
marv died. Last time I sheeped 2-3 dead people and they were superwrong. Bexause it is marv I will do it once more but not fanatically.
Will need to reread his filter first.
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On June 10 2024 16:27 Koshi wrote:
Just checking in to let you know I am at work, I can only phonepost because TL is flagged as a gaming site, and because I don't want to play on my phone while working, I wont be doing anything today.
Tomorrow I work from home.
But the game feels like a clusterfuck atm.
marv died. Last time I sheeped 2-3 dead people and they were superwrong. Bexause it is marv I will do it once more but not fanatically.
Will need to reread his filter first. yeah i know that pain..
possibly one of the more key posts in marv filter
https://tl.net/forum/mafia/625928-sweet-summer-mafia?page=96#1906
im yet to analyse the case yet
clusterfuck indeed
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Rayn keeps getting pushed by my subconscious
Can't articulate. Just keep getting vision he is the key to this game
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Sabdro too. He is probably the smartest lynch if we play the percentages.
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On June 10 2024 16:33 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 16:27 Koshi wrote:
Just checking in to let you know I am at work, I can only phonepost because TL is flagged as a gaming site, and because I don't want to play on my phone while working, I wont be doing anything today.
Tomorrow I work from home.
But the game feels like a clusterfuck atm.
marv died. Last time I sheeped 2-3 dead people and they were superwrong. Bexause it is marv I will do it once more but not fanatically.
Will need to reread his filter first. yeah i know that pain.. possibly one of the more key posts in marv filter https://tl.net/forum/mafia/625928-sweet-summer-mafia?page=96#1906im yet to analyse the case yet clusterfuck indeed
Vivax, rayn mafia team? Oof...
Ok. I will have thinking to do.
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Pretty sure scott is 100% town. No way he puts marv in black before shooting him.
In addition to everything I said about him and marv townreading him
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On June 10 2024 10:59 Trfel wrote:die_meatbaby on VivaxShow nested quote +On June 08 2024 09:04 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 08 2024 08:17 AlphaZero wrote:
I’ll lynch vivax with you oats.
Vote:vivax Is first time you play with vivax? I am used to always read vivax first because for me are 2 option with vivax first when i am mafia I have to get him out of the game as fast as possibole second is if i am town he is still the "easiest" read for me. If vivax is mafia he just posting random shit, jokes, memes, off the topic stuff and hating the government of austria if he is Town he actually trys to tell us his opinion, try to find scummy shit, beeing paranoid about chez but he is not in the game and hating the government of austria. For me he looks like Town (atm) you have any other scum reads? Die_meatbaby's third post of the game. For what it's worth I don't think this is a terribly good way to read Vivax, but I'm curious if die_meatbaby follows this view throughout the game. Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 05:31 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 10 2024 05:20 Vivax wrote:
One cannot not like Koshi.
He‘s the hypno-buddha in the flesh fewer and fewer town points for you. Maybe I have to reread you filter. you are paranoid about RL but not about the game. Thats kinda strange. I don´t like that More posts to a similar effect but I'm running out of time. Now I need to check if Vivax's posting warrants the change but idk if I have time to do so  My guess is that it's debatable. Gut feels say look at raynpelikoneet and Vivax most. Sandroba, die_meatbaby, Alakaslam, maybe scott31337 and Oatsmaster after that. No particular order on those. Vivax is just.... so nonsensical? I am really struggling with how he could be town and be like this. I'm honestly willing to give Alakaslam more time when so many otehrs are so sus
##Vote: Vivax
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I think Tfrel sees the game correctly. I don't see it yet but I sense he could be correct.
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On June 10 2024 04:58 Trfel wrote:VivaxVivax seemed to scumread both scott31337 and Kelsi3r. He spent much of his day 1 trying to figure out which was the better lynch (while suspecting both). See these posts (for example) about his increasing desire to lynch Kelsi3r: Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 07:18 Vivax wrote:On June 09 2024 07:03 Mocsta wrote:
I'm becoming more and more open to lynch outside kelsier
He doesn't looked bullied out to me as his tone is pretty consistent start to finish
I still think his tone specifically to me is more unhelpful mafia than town, however the nonchalantness is somewhat consistent even after which I am.imcreasingly.viewing as townie
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I really don't want to vote Scott for mason stuff
Is there a case outside of that?
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Rsoultin I will give sandroba a read I think the opposite the less Kelsier does the more I want to lynch him. Feels like a weird defense here if you don‘t have a particularly strong conviction outside of that. Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 07:51 Vivax wrote:On June 09 2024 07:46 scott31337 wrote:On June 09 2024 07:39 Vivax wrote:
I‘m comfy with Az taking the reins here. They seem competent and townish to me.
Them pitting Oats against me was a bit dickish tho If you do this, He's going to want to lynch me and I'll flip town. Only if you lynch him D2 is this a suitable outcome. There‘s people I think are around but just choosing not to post. Mocsta and him would be my guess. I‘m moving to Kelsier. He doesn‘t appear motivated anyway. Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 08:45 Vivax wrote:
What I like about scott is that he seemed pretty genuine as of late. He isn‘t really trying every trick in the book to keep himself afloat just doing his thing.
Kelsier might have given up as either alignment. Then Vivax has this reason to vote for scott31337: Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 09:43 Vivax wrote:On June 09 2024 09:19 scott31337 wrote:On June 09 2024 09:04 AlphaZero wrote:On June 09 2024 08:59 Mocsta wrote:On June 09 2024 08:58 rsoultin wrote:On June 09 2024 08:47 Mocsta wrote:On June 09 2024 08:45 Vivax wrote:
What I like about scott is that he seemed pretty genuine as of late. He isn‘t really trying every trick in the book to keep himself afloat just doing his thing.
Kelsier might have given up as either alignment. town can also not want to be mislynched.. is this 'effort'notion a scott meta thing? at the risk of answering for viva if scum's gonna keep posting they want to either 1) try to get the lynch off them 2) shit up the thread or they just roll over i guess there's the third option of trying to get more attention so it's off a scummate if you've got two scum up for lynch? i wouldn't say that's what scott's posting looks like. guy's been scumread from minute 1 and still is just bebopping around salient notion alphazero - where does that sit with you? Well he is trying to survive, to me he just continues to exhibit the traits that o find scummy and I outlined above. Says things and can’t provide foundations or reasoning that can really be taken seriously. We can even contrast that with your own play, you have looked substantially more town aligned the more you interacted and explained thought processes and your reads have changed and grown as that has happened. Scott’s reads haven’t changed and he hasn’t looked any better. That is classic mafia trait imo. I favor Oats more than the last magical time you are making up. That's a change of read. Rsoul is a little higher on my list as well. Trfel isn't going to change much today unless he does something stupid. What's there to change on DMB,sandroba, and Alakaslam? They haven't posted. Marv isn't coming back tonight from his word. Kelsi3r - nuff said Mocsta - I still town read him even if he gets junk from other people. Is still thinking reasonable, unlike yourself. Vivax - I wouldn't lynch today either. On June 09 2024 09:38 scott31337 wrote:On June 09 2024 09:33 Vivax wrote:On June 09 2024 09:29 scott31337 wrote:On June 09 2024 09:18 Mocsta wrote:
one underlying issue i have with scott is that
when he was getting heat and i backed him, he made some posts that soft buddied to me.. which i thought was completely reasonable if town.
my issue therefore is that, as my read with AZ has shifted and evolved, hes not paid attention (publicly at least) to it.. no comments or impact on scotts AZ read is very weird to me.
now scott says hes completely up to date, so its been read, and apparently not relevant - so again. i find this super super weird and struggling to identify how town would do that. AZ is not the lynch today unless everyone expands their mind. So forgive me for not spending the energy nested into such. But he's my #2 still - so help me out - maybe I missed a point of yours. Excuse me but what do you mean by the bolded. Town. Yes. I'm town. But that doesn't answer the question. If you're so convinced we should lynch AZ which I suppose you are by saying that the mind of town is closed, why isn't he in the list ? And then this? Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 10:52 Vivax wrote:
Considering the time I‘ll just let Kelsier happen ig He sounds so sad about lynching Kelsi3r, who he was very content to lynch for much of the day, and was getting increasingly happy to lynch until scott31337 did something that stuck out to him as especially scummy. This doesn't add up from the town perspective, Vivax ought to be at least content with a Kelsi3r lynch. Then, Vivax has a series of posts after the deadline about scott31337 being town: Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 12:07 Vivax wrote:
Scott is never going to get lynched on D2, and he isn‘t going to get vigged either. Going by experience.
Doesn‘t have to be a bad thing but it means we look for 2-3 outside of him. Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 12:13 Vivax wrote:On June 09 2024 12:09 die_meatbaby wrote:On June 09 2024 12:07 Vivax wrote:
Scott is never going to get lynched on D2, and he isn‘t going to get vigged either. Going by experience.
Doesn‘t have to be a bad thing but it means we look for 2-3 outside of him. how about giving a look on ninja rayn or az Az lookedlike he was posting forcibly around EoD, rayn didn‘t make himself readable. Townies can have reasons to refuse to be readable. To be honest everyone has good reason to refuse to be readable. I‘d guess the masons of the day were rayn and Trfel. The flip doesn‘t automatically make Scott more scummy, if you were town in his situation you‘d understand why, so look at those who think so. Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 12:17 Vivax wrote:
With the Kelsier flip and if he‘s town, Scott starts becoming useful to mafia. Show nested quote +On June 09 2024 12:35 Vivax wrote:On June 09 2024 12:32 Mocsta wrote:On June 09 2024 12:25 Vivax wrote:On June 09 2024 12:18 Mocsta wrote:On June 09 2024 12:13 Vivax wrote:
The flip doesn‘t automatically make Scott more scummy, if you were town in his situation you‘d understand why, so look at those who think so. help me out, im being dumb dumb the only reason i can see is this from marv https://tl.net/forum/mafia/625928-sweet-summer-mafia?page=66#1302like.. why cant mafia have wagoned kelsier to save scott equally? i get in marv of rsoultin, he is expecting the most likely answer is double-town wagon; yet, why cannot it not be an effort to save scott equally? It‘s beneficial to take sides as mafia here. Or maybe look undecided. They only have two buffets to choose from and don‘t have to be active so there‘s zero downside to being active, preferrably on the side of the one who‘s going to remain unflipped. Without accounting for players who are time constrained or just don‘t care enough. i see which feeds into my ongoing concerns with how the kelsi3r train was building i dont want to blanket discard how d1 unfolded for you; heuristically for me, its really hard to not acknowledge the complexities of having 1/3 of town to barely post for the 24hrs before lynch. it makes it hard for me to then follow your interpretation. i am in agreement with the other post that there should be options outside of scott tomorrow though. Right ? Wouldn‘t make much sense after a majority decided to spare him. My next favourite would be the rsoultin slot because theirs was one of the deciding votes. Not necessarily to lynch but definitely to consider. Which makes absolutely no sense given that he still strongly believes that scott31337 is mafia. How is not lynching scott31337, who is mafia, a bad thing? That's absolutely a bad thing! Vivax was seemingly frustrated that he had to settle for the Kelsi3r lynch instead of lynching scott31337, why is he suddenly accepting the "majority-decided" verdict of keeping scott31337 alive and why is that a reason to focus on other people instead? It's not that what Vivax is saying is wrong necessarily, or in other words, it's completely fine to have alternative lynch options to scott31337. But from the perspective of someone who thinks scott31337 is mafia, and just missed out on lynching him, why is his focus on finding other people to focus on (besides scott31337) and what it means if scott31337 is town? Why isn't his focus on scott31337 being mafia? If Vivax was no longer scumreading scott31337 then this makes sense, but that isn't the case at all: Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 00:16 Vivax wrote:On June 10 2024 00:14 Trfel wrote:On June 09 2024 23:53 Vivax wrote:
I have a townread on dmb fwiw. She seems very relaxed tonally.
I‘d like a doc on marv.
I‘d like rayn to play the game.
I love GabeN Is scott31337 mafia still? I think so. Don‘t understand his post about AZ if he isn‘t. The end result is that Vivax is very suspicious. There hasn't been the normal insightful thinking or tinfoil, he seemed very happy with the two wagons day 1 (scott31337 and Kelsi3r), despite the odds of both being mafia being quite low. I would have thought this was even more suspicious for someone with paranoia like Vivax, but instead he seems quite content with the gamestate. wow this is great. Love the pick up about appeal to majority consensus as well. Very scummy yet didn't register to me in when reading in the moment
Took me like 3-4 blocks to go through this because of all the quotes. I will probably clean this up for you a bit later today so reads cleaner
##vote:vivax
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On June 10 2024 18:47 AlphaZero wrote:
Sabdro too. He is probably the smartest lynch if we play the percentages.
I'm.hoping for the modkill.tbh
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On June 10 2024 19:33 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 18:47 AlphaZero wrote:
Sabdro too. He is probably the smartest lynch if we play the percentages.
I'm.hoping for the modkill.tbh
I wonder if he is the protective role
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On June 10 2024 19:21 Koshi wrote:
Pretty sure scott is 100% town. No way he puts marv in black before shooting him.
In addition to everything I said about him and marv townreading him
That's a good point too
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On June 10 2024 19:35 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 19:33 Mocsta wrote:On June 10 2024 18:47 AlphaZero wrote:
Sabdro too. He is probably the smartest lynch if we play the percentages.
I'm.hoping for the modkill.tbh I wonder if he is the protective role
That would suck ;(
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marv was the more obvious nk. But not going to theorycraft too much on it. Maybe jailkeeper did an aggressive block.
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Vivax and rayn is really a good place to start today.
Good job Tfrel.
This is very good.
It feels good.
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On June 10 2024 19:36 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 19:21 Koshi wrote:
Pretty sure scott is 100% town. No way he puts marv in black before shooting him.
In addition to everything I said about him and marv townreading him That's a good point too
I think that’s really easy thing to do as mafia. So I disagree.
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On June 10 2024 19:42 Koshi wrote:
Vivax and rayn is really a good place to start today.
Good job Tfrel.
This is very good.
It feels good.
I thought you had Rayn as really townie? Why is that and what changed for you?
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On June 10 2024 19:37 Koshi wrote:
marv was the more obvious nk. But not going to theorycraft too much on it. Maybe jailkeeper did an aggressive block.
Or roleblock - no noti
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On June 10 2024 19:45 AlphaZero wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2024 19:36 Mocsta wrote:On June 10 2024 19:21 Koshi wrote:
Pretty sure scott is 100% town. No way he puts marv in black before shooting him.
In addition to everything I said about him and marv townreading him That's a good point too I think that’s really easy thing to do as mafia. So I disagree. In all honesty I don't even get how this could possibly mean anything about scott31337?
For example, I know I've dropped an end of night case on the person I was shooting before. Why would scott31337 not null-read marvellosity as mafia? Truly confused.
@Mocsta, I don't ever think lynching for info is worth it tbh. I think we'd gain a lot less clarity than expected.
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