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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 10 2024 12:41 GMT
#2421
On June 10 2024 21:28 die_meatbaby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2024 21:15 Koshi wrote:
I remember my second reason on rayn but I cant say that. Nothing illegal but when I say it, it loses its value.

call it out loud, because I have always a hard time to read rayn

No.
I had a good night of sleep.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22089 Posts
June 10 2024 12:41 GMT
#2422
You‘re not so gullible you‘d really believe that
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22089 Posts
June 10 2024 12:48 GMT
#2423
On June 10 2024 04:19 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2024 04:18 marvellosity wrote:
Koshi can you not make me reconsider before I even get to day phase, for gods sake

I know you wont. You need to lynch me tomorrow to protect your scumbuddy mocsta.


And the sassiness of this post oh my god I know exactly what you did here
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22089 Posts
June 10 2024 12:52 GMT
#2424
But I‘m being overdramatic.

Need to grab food and move into another worker bee cell.
I‘m too sober for this country.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 10 2024 13:01 GMT
#2425
Vivax do you have any response to Trfel's case?
table for two on a tv tray
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
June 10 2024 13:02 GMT
#2426
I started by filtering scott, I wanted to see if my read would change from him being likely mafia to inform my reading of the rest of D1. These 2 posts in particular are a strong indication scott is actually townie:
On June 09 2024 10:16 scott31337 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2024 10:07 rsoultin wrote:
gdit all the votes on kels are making me squirrely now too lolol

and then i wifom the shit out of that and ask what scum does seeing a massive wagon on a scummate

maybe they're just both town but then i'd kinda expect a more even spread

i still wanna lynch sandy -_-

idk what i'd do in scott's position as town with his reads on you mocsta, probably want to talk to you about it at least


Let's think here - rsoul.

Let's play you are town (which I'm thinking)

Let's think I'm town (Which I am)

Let's think AZ is mafia (Which I suspect)

The Keisl3r lynch makes sense in a way if he's mafia? Right? I feel he's given up.

AZ wants to lynch me (town) because his buddy (Mafia) will be lynched otherwise. Get Mafia D1 it's probably GG
!

You have the same mindset (or close) as me D1. It seems so weird!

Now, I've had a few drinks already tonight (Yes) - So I'm not trying to use any outs. I just might not be fully mindset.



This kind of attempt to collaborate and negotiate comes from a townie mindset, extending an olive branch and hoping the other person is not mafia. This comes off as genuine and I believe it's hard to fake, especially having no reason to believe knowing people will pick on this as a town indicator.

On June 10 2024 10:59 scott31337 wrote:
Scotty's magic N1 post

So - first -

Show nested quote +
On June 09 2024 12:23 Mocsta wrote:
On June 09 2024 12:22 die_meatbaby wrote:
On June 09 2024 12:17 Vivax wrote:
With the Kelsier flip and if he‘s town, Scott starts becoming useful to mafia.


Of course he is now usefull for mafia... still easy lynch material
I am pretty sure we had t vs t lynch today.
Thats a reason why he will not get nk tonight.
But why do oats think that he wouldn´t get nk?
because im going to jailkeep him


Now I know scum had to have seen this and someone put it in their chat. And I have two theories -

1. Mocsta is the JK and will protect someone tonight (Said oats in the post)
I think this is the most realistic answer - but I do have some doubts.

I believe Mocsta will get shot tonight.

2. Mocsta fakeclaimed
Now Koshi has been going after Mocsta since he joined.
The other thing I want to ask this day also Koshi -
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2024 07:26 Koshi wrote:
Mocsta is playing very well if mafia.
My initial ping was that I read too many posts from him that didnt help me solve the game. And after reading his filter I didnt change my mind. If I would pnly fead Mocsta his filter I would probably have a very bad grasp on this game. Way worse than for example scott his filter.

And afterwards, you still call him mafia. So if you read his filter, you saw the post - and you still want to lynch him. So that tells me something.
And I'm willing to listen.

Order list - not lynching today
Trfel - Probably still top town. Still thinking things out even at night. I hope he was protected. Very curious who he wants to go after today also.
Koshi - I townread Rsoultin and I really townread Koshi. I want to hear Koshi's thoughts on the above first.
raynpelikoneet - He's asking questions and thinking about the game as well. I did read Trfel's post on him though and is worth reviewing.
Oatsmaster Oats is playing a lot different than his last game, and he also seems to be investigating/scumhunting.
Mocsta - I still feel he's town. Depending on Koshi, this could obviously change.
Vivax He's been acting a little weird N1, but has some good posts here and there.

Weaker
die_meatbaby - I'm still townleaning DMB, and the Vivax/DMB posting feels TvT to me. But you need to step it up and scumhunt today.
marvellosity - This is so tough. I don't know any recent marv games, but back in the day when we played, he was very timid as scum. This marv is not. But this marv also comes up with indifferent scumreads and is in the bed with AZ. So weird.

Would lynch order
Sandroba - enough said. There hasn't been any new posts from Sandroba from my last one.
Alakaslam Filter is very meh. Marv townread, AZ townread, scumread me. Had one okay post and the rest has not been.
AlphaZero A very good player that has my spider senses on alert. A few other townies have a bit of suspicion also on him, but not enough to really matter yet. I'm very curious of who he goes after today.



This type of night post usually comes from townies as well - of course mafia can fake something like this but when they do it normally comes off unnatural and either too low or too high effort. This one hits right to me and seems genuine.

I'm willing to go and say I feel scott is very likely townie and I'm hoping there is obvious mafia that we can focus on today instead.

Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22089 Posts
June 10 2024 13:04 GMT
#2427
On June 10 2024 22:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax do you have any response to Trfel's case?


No, my job is nailing mafia it‘s pointless to tell others why they‘re wrong
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22089 Posts
June 10 2024 13:09 GMT
#2428
The moment I start responding to wrong crap is the moment I‘m being manipulated
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
June 10 2024 13:30 GMT
#2429
On June 10 2024 22:02 sandroba wrote:
I started by filtering scott, I wanted to see if my read would change from him being likely mafia to inform my reading of the rest of D1. These 2 posts in particular are a strong indication scott is actually townie:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2024 10:16 scott31337 wrote:
On June 09 2024 10:07 rsoultin wrote:
gdit all the votes on kels are making me squirrely now too lolol

and then i wifom the shit out of that and ask what scum does seeing a massive wagon on a scummate

maybe they're just both town but then i'd kinda expect a more even spread

i still wanna lynch sandy -_-

idk what i'd do in scott's position as town with his reads on you mocsta, probably want to talk to you about it at least


Let's think here - rsoul.

Let's play you are town (which I'm thinking)

Let's think I'm town (Which I am)

Let's think AZ is mafia (Which I suspect)

The Keisl3r lynch makes sense in a way if he's mafia? Right? I feel he's given up.

AZ wants to lynch me (town) because his buddy (Mafia) will be lynched otherwise. Get Mafia D1 it's probably GG
!

You have the same mindset (or close) as me D1. It seems so weird!

Now, I've had a few drinks already tonight (Yes) - So I'm not trying to use any outs. I just might not be fully mindset.



This kind of attempt to collaborate and negotiate comes from a townie mindset, extending an olive branch and hoping the other person is not mafia. This comes off as genuine and I believe it's hard to fake, especially having no reason to believe knowing people will pick on this as a town indicator.

Show nested quote +
On June 10 2024 10:59 scott31337 wrote:
Scotty's magic N1 post

So - first -

On June 09 2024 12:23 Mocsta wrote:
On June 09 2024 12:22 die_meatbaby wrote:
On June 09 2024 12:17 Vivax wrote:
With the Kelsier flip and if he‘s town, Scott starts becoming useful to mafia.


Of course he is now usefull for mafia... still easy lynch material
I am pretty sure we had t vs t lynch today.
Thats a reason why he will not get nk tonight.
But why do oats think that he wouldn´t get nk?
because im going to jailkeep him


Now I know scum had to have seen this and someone put it in their chat. And I have two theories -

1. Mocsta is the JK and will protect someone tonight (Said oats in the post)
I think this is the most realistic answer - but I do have some doubts.

I believe Mocsta will get shot tonight.

2. Mocsta fakeclaimed
Now Koshi has been going after Mocsta since he joined.
The other thing I want to ask this day also Koshi -
On June 10 2024 07:26 Koshi wrote:
Mocsta is playing very well if mafia.
My initial ping was that I read too many posts from him that didnt help me solve the game. And after reading his filter I didnt change my mind. If I would pnly fead Mocsta his filter I would probably have a very bad grasp on this game. Way worse than for example scott his filter.

And afterwards, you still call him mafia. So if you read his filter, you saw the post - and you still want to lynch him. So that tells me something.
And I'm willing to listen.

Order list - not lynching today
Trfel - Probably still top town. Still thinking things out even at night. I hope he was protected. Very curious who he wants to go after today also.
Koshi - I townread Rsoultin and I really townread Koshi. I want to hear Koshi's thoughts on the above first.
raynpelikoneet - He's asking questions and thinking about the game as well. I did read Trfel's post on him though and is worth reviewing.
Oatsmaster Oats is playing a lot different than his last game, and he also seems to be investigating/scumhunting.
Mocsta - I still feel he's town. Depending on Koshi, this could obviously change.
Vivax He's been acting a little weird N1, but has some good posts here and there.

Weaker
die_meatbaby - I'm still townleaning DMB, and the Vivax/DMB posting feels TvT to me. But you need to step it up and scumhunt today.
marvellosity - This is so tough. I don't know any recent marv games, but back in the day when we played, he was very timid as scum. This marv is not. But this marv also comes up with indifferent scumreads and is in the bed with AZ. So weird.

Would lynch order
Sandroba - enough said. There hasn't been any new posts from Sandroba from my last one.
Alakaslam Filter is very meh. Marv townread, AZ townread, scumread me. Had one okay post and the rest has not been.
AlphaZero A very good player that has my spider senses on alert. A few other townies have a bit of suspicion also on him, but not enough to really matter yet. I'm very curious of who he goes after today.



This type of night post usually comes from townies as well - of course mafia can fake something like this but when they do it normally comes off unnatural and either too low or too high effort. This one hits right to me and seems genuine.

I'm willing to go and say I feel scott is very likely townie and I'm hoping there is obvious mafia that we can focus on today instead.

I appreciate you chose to prioritise the other wagon although I don't support the town read from that first post.

Firstly the olive branch approach is influence technique. All alignments need to influence.and is null in itself. Scott.is a wagon candidate so I don't agree employing this discerns town over scum. is not a townie trait .

Secondly, contextually rsoultin was responding to me being wary of Scott because scott didn't talk to me about my changing read on AZ - relevant because scott wants to lynch per the post you shared and Scott was buddied to me at that time.

If anything that approach you refer to should have come.to me if Scott was town. No I'm not butthurt.


Regarding the second post, I don't see what you are valuing to assign it as genuine or the right level of detail.. I mean the marv null read is purely association to az.


My curiosity is why you ignored Scott's case of AZ in this analysis?

After all, az.is his top top scim.read and should represent his most genuine effort in the entire.filter no? Note I didn't say accurate, just genuine.

https://tl.net/forum/mafia/625928-sweet-summer-mafia?page=104#2076


sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
June 10 2024 13:34 GMT
#2430
Around page 42 and I'm reading up on the discussion about Mocsta being mafia mostly driven by marv/az and trfel taking opposite sides. While I can see the points raised by marv/az being valid about the blatant way mocsta is throwing stuff around just to post and trying to justify them later, I fall in trfel side of the argument thinking that mocsta is being too open and collaborative about his thought process that it just screams town to me. I might just be completely outdated and the way mafia is playing this game now just goes beyond whatever I'm used to expect. Last game I had a few of my assumptions shattered, but unfortunately as a player I can only offer what I honestly believe. If I just throw it all out the window it means I'm just useless and can offer nothing. Because of that I'm just going to assume my intuition is correct for now and say mocsta is also town.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
June 10 2024 13:41 GMT
#2431
On June 10 2024 22:30 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2024 22:02 sandroba wrote:
I started by filtering scott, I wanted to see if my read would change from him being likely mafia to inform my reading of the rest of D1. These 2 posts in particular are a strong indication scott is actually townie:
On June 09 2024 10:16 scott31337 wrote:
On June 09 2024 10:07 rsoultin wrote:
gdit all the votes on kels are making me squirrely now too lolol

and then i wifom the shit out of that and ask what scum does seeing a massive wagon on a scummate

maybe they're just both town but then i'd kinda expect a more even spread

i still wanna lynch sandy -_-

idk what i'd do in scott's position as town with his reads on you mocsta, probably want to talk to you about it at least


Let's think here - rsoul.

Let's play you are town (which I'm thinking)

Let's think I'm town (Which I am)

Let's think AZ is mafia (Which I suspect)

The Keisl3r lynch makes sense in a way if he's mafia? Right? I feel he's given up.

AZ wants to lynch me (town) because his buddy (Mafia) will be lynched otherwise. Get Mafia D1 it's probably GG
!

You have the same mindset (or close) as me D1. It seems so weird!

Now, I've had a few drinks already tonight (Yes) - So I'm not trying to use any outs. I just might not be fully mindset.



This kind of attempt to collaborate and negotiate comes from a townie mindset, extending an olive branch and hoping the other person is not mafia. This comes off as genuine and I believe it's hard to fake, especially having no reason to believe knowing people will pick on this as a town indicator.

On June 10 2024 10:59 scott31337 wrote:
Scotty's magic N1 post

So - first -

On June 09 2024 12:23 Mocsta wrote:
On June 09 2024 12:22 die_meatbaby wrote:
On June 09 2024 12:17 Vivax wrote:
With the Kelsier flip and if he‘s town, Scott starts becoming useful to mafia.


Of course he is now usefull for mafia... still easy lynch material
I am pretty sure we had t vs t lynch today.
Thats a reason why he will not get nk tonight.
But why do oats think that he wouldn´t get nk?
because im going to jailkeep him


Now I know scum had to have seen this and someone put it in their chat. And I have two theories -

1. Mocsta is the JK and will protect someone tonight (Said oats in the post)
I think this is the most realistic answer - but I do have some doubts.

I believe Mocsta will get shot tonight.

2. Mocsta fakeclaimed
Now Koshi has been going after Mocsta since he joined.
The other thing I want to ask this day also Koshi -
On June 10 2024 07:26 Koshi wrote:
Mocsta is playing very well if mafia.
My initial ping was that I read too many posts from him that didnt help me solve the game. And after reading his filter I didnt change my mind. If I would pnly fead Mocsta his filter I would probably have a very bad grasp on this game. Way worse than for example scott his filter.

And afterwards, you still call him mafia. So if you read his filter, you saw the post - and you still want to lynch him. So that tells me something.
And I'm willing to listen.

Order list - not lynching today
Trfel - Probably still top town. Still thinking things out even at night. I hope he was protected. Very curious who he wants to go after today also.
Koshi - I townread Rsoultin and I really townread Koshi. I want to hear Koshi's thoughts on the above first.
raynpelikoneet - He's asking questions and thinking about the game as well. I did read Trfel's post on him though and is worth reviewing.
Oatsmaster Oats is playing a lot different than his last game, and he also seems to be investigating/scumhunting.
Mocsta - I still feel he's town. Depending on Koshi, this could obviously change.
Vivax He's been acting a little weird N1, but has some good posts here and there.

Weaker
die_meatbaby - I'm still townleaning DMB, and the Vivax/DMB posting feels TvT to me. But you need to step it up and scumhunt today.
marvellosity - This is so tough. I don't know any recent marv games, but back in the day when we played, he was very timid as scum. This marv is not. But this marv also comes up with indifferent scumreads and is in the bed with AZ. So weird.

Would lynch order
Sandroba - enough said. There hasn't been any new posts from Sandroba from my last one.
Alakaslam Filter is very meh. Marv townread, AZ townread, scumread me. Had one okay post and the rest has not been.
AlphaZero A very good player that has my spider senses on alert. A few other townies have a bit of suspicion also on him, but not enough to really matter yet. I'm very curious of who he goes after today.



This type of night post usually comes from townies as well - of course mafia can fake something like this but when they do it normally comes off unnatural and either too low or too high effort. This one hits right to me and seems genuine.

I'm willing to go and say I feel scott is very likely townie and I'm hoping there is obvious mafia that we can focus on today instead.

I appreciate you chose to prioritise the other wagon although I don't support the town read from that first post.

Firstly the olive branch approach is influence technique. All alignments need to influence.and is null in itself. Scott.is a wagon candidate so I don't agree employing this discerns town over scum. is not a townie trait .

Secondly, contextually rsoultin was responding to me being wary of Scott because scott didn't talk to me about my changing read on AZ - relevant because scott wants to lynch per the post you shared and Scott was buddied to me at that time.

If anything that approach you refer to should have come.to me if Scott was town. No I'm not butthurt.


Regarding the second post, I don't see what you are valuing to assign it as genuine or the right level of detail.. I mean the marv null read is purely association to az.


My curiosity is why you ignored Scott's case of AZ in this analysis?

After all, az.is his top top scim.read and should represent his most genuine effort in the entire.filter no? Note I didn't say accurate, just genuine.

https://tl.net/forum/mafia/625928-sweet-summer-mafia?page=104#2076



I just saw this post so responding to it now, and will resume my read. Of course any alignment can do and post anything, there is no law that says mafia can't post something. Most of my narratives about alignment are kinda of trying to put into words and explain my intuition about something, even trying myself to understand why I think something. In this case the perspective it comes from, the leap of faith towards a player with a slight caveat and the attempt not to rid of suspicion towards oneself but to direct thinking about his world view feels genuine and I can fully explain it from a townie perspective, while from mafia to me would take an amazing actor with very little to gain on this trivial interaction.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 10 2024 13:43 GMT
#2432
Trfel, Koshi, Oats, Vivax.
Which of you townread AZ at the eon1?
Not even need to answer, just a mental note formyself to check when i am home.
table for two on a tv tray
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
June 10 2024 13:53 GMT
#2433
On June 08 2024 21:24 Oatsmaster wrote:
Doesn’t think Scott is mafia and doesn’t think mocsta is mafia and spends reams of paper explaining why

Not sure why, this made me laugh a ton. trfel is probably right you know
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 10 2024 13:58 GMT
#2434
On June 10 2024 22:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Trfel, Koshi, Oats, Vivax.
Which of you townread AZ at the eon1?
Not even need to answer, just a mental note formyself to check when i am home.

Me
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 10 2024 13:59 GMT
#2435
Sandro feeling very forced rn
No gg, No skill.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
June 10 2024 13:59 GMT
#2436
On June 10 2024 22:41 sandroba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2024 22:30 Mocsta wrote:
On June 10 2024 22:02 sandroba wrote:
I started by filtering scott, I wanted to see if my read would change from him being likely mafia to inform my reading of the rest of D1. These 2 posts in particular are a strong indication scott is actually townie:
On June 09 2024 10:16 scott31337 wrote:
On June 09 2024 10:07 rsoultin wrote:
gdit all the votes on kels are making me squirrely now too lolol

and then i wifom the shit out of that and ask what scum does seeing a massive wagon on a scummate

maybe they're just both town but then i'd kinda expect a more even spread

i still wanna lynch sandy -_-

idk what i'd do in scott's position as town with his reads on you mocsta, probably want to talk to you about it at least


Let's think here - rsoul.

Let's play you are town (which I'm thinking)

Let's think I'm town (Which I am)

Let's think AZ is mafia (Which I suspect)

The Keisl3r lynch makes sense in a way if he's mafia? Right? I feel he's given up.

AZ wants to lynch me (town) because his buddy (Mafia) will be lynched otherwise. Get Mafia D1 it's probably GG
!

You have the same mindset (or close) as me D1. It seems so weird!

Now, I've had a few drinks already tonight (Yes) - So I'm not trying to use any outs. I just might not be fully mindset.



This kind of attempt to collaborate and negotiate comes from a townie mindset, extending an olive branch and hoping the other person is not mafia. This comes off as genuine and I believe it's hard to fake, especially having no reason to believe knowing people will pick on this as a town indicator.

On June 10 2024 10:59 scott31337 wrote:
Scotty's magic N1 post

So - first -

On June 09 2024 12:23 Mocsta wrote:
On June 09 2024 12:22 die_meatbaby wrote:
On June 09 2024 12:17 Vivax wrote:
With the Kelsier flip and if he‘s town, Scott starts becoming useful to mafia.


Of course he is now usefull for mafia... still easy lynch material
I am pretty sure we had t vs t lynch today.
Thats a reason why he will not get nk tonight.
But why do oats think that he wouldn´t get nk?
because im going to jailkeep him


Now I know scum had to have seen this and someone put it in their chat. And I have two theories -

1. Mocsta is the JK and will protect someone tonight (Said oats in the post)
I think this is the most realistic answer - but I do have some doubts.

I believe Mocsta will get shot tonight.

2. Mocsta fakeclaimed
Now Koshi has been going after Mocsta since he joined.
The other thing I want to ask this day also Koshi -
On June 10 2024 07:26 Koshi wrote:
Mocsta is playing very well if mafia.
My initial ping was that I read too many posts from him that didnt help me solve the game. And after reading his filter I didnt change my mind. If I would pnly fead Mocsta his filter I would probably have a very bad grasp on this game. Way worse than for example scott his filter.

And afterwards, you still call him mafia. So if you read his filter, you saw the post - and you still want to lynch him. So that tells me something.
And I'm willing to listen.

Order list - not lynching today
Trfel - Probably still top town. Still thinking things out even at night. I hope he was protected. Very curious who he wants to go after today also.
Koshi - I townread Rsoultin and I really townread Koshi. I want to hear Koshi's thoughts on the above first.
raynpelikoneet - He's asking questions and thinking about the game as well. I did read Trfel's post on him though and is worth reviewing.
Oatsmaster Oats is playing a lot different than his last game, and he also seems to be investigating/scumhunting.
Mocsta - I still feel he's town. Depending on Koshi, this could obviously change.
Vivax He's been acting a little weird N1, but has some good posts here and there.

Weaker
die_meatbaby - I'm still townleaning DMB, and the Vivax/DMB posting feels TvT to me. But you need to step it up and scumhunt today.
marvellosity - This is so tough. I don't know any recent marv games, but back in the day when we played, he was very timid as scum. This marv is not. But this marv also comes up with indifferent scumreads and is in the bed with AZ. So weird.

Would lynch order
Sandroba - enough said. There hasn't been any new posts from Sandroba from my last one.
Alakaslam Filter is very meh. Marv townread, AZ townread, scumread me. Had one okay post and the rest has not been.
AlphaZero A very good player that has my spider senses on alert. A few other townies have a bit of suspicion also on him, but not enough to really matter yet. I'm very curious of who he goes after today.



This type of night post usually comes from townies as well - of course mafia can fake something like this but when they do it normally comes off unnatural and either too low or too high effort. This one hits right to me and seems genuine.

I'm willing to go and say I feel scott is very likely townie and I'm hoping there is obvious mafia that we can focus on today instead.

I appreciate you chose to prioritise the other wagon although I don't support the town read from that first post.

Firstly the olive branch approach is influence technique. All alignments need to influence.and is null in itself. Scott.is a wagon candidate so I don't agree employing this discerns town over scum. is not a townie trait .

Secondly, contextually rsoultin was responding to me being wary of Scott because scott didn't talk to me about my changing read on AZ - relevant because scott wants to lynch per the post you shared and Scott was buddied to me at that time.

If anything that approach you refer to should have come.to me if Scott was town. No I'm not butthurt.


Regarding the second post, I don't see what you are valuing to assign it as genuine or the right level of detail.. I mean the marv null read is purely association to az.


My curiosity is why you ignored Scott's case of AZ in this analysis?

After all, az.is his top top scim.read and should represent his most genuine effort in the entire.filter no? Note I didn't say accurate, just genuine.

https://tl.net/forum/mafia/625928-sweet-summer-mafia?page=104#2076



I just saw this post so responding to it now, and will resume my read. Of course any alignment can do and post anything, there is no law that says mafia can't post something. Most of my narratives about alignment are kinda of trying to put into words and explain my intuition about something, even trying myself to understand why I think something. In this case the perspective it comes from, the leap of faith towards a player with a slight caveat and the attempt not to rid of suspicion towards oneself but to direct thinking about his world view feels genuine and I can fully explain it from a townie perspective, while from mafia to me would take an amazing actor with very little to gain on this trivial interaction.
I understand the pain and am amazed you can draw /connect with that intuition in a communicable way.

I sto continue to disagree about the first post being a town tell but it's ok and not relevant for now.

Carry on with the read and we see where it goes

It would be great for your intuition on Scott's case of AZ too
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 10 2024 14:16 GMT
#2437
On June 10 2024 22:59 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2024 22:41 sandroba wrote:
On June 10 2024 22:30 Mocsta wrote:
On June 10 2024 22:02 sandroba wrote:
I started by filtering scott, I wanted to see if my read would change from him being likely mafia to inform my reading of the rest of D1. These 2 posts in particular are a strong indication scott is actually townie:
On June 09 2024 10:16 scott31337 wrote:
On June 09 2024 10:07 rsoultin wrote:
gdit all the votes on kels are making me squirrely now too lolol

and then i wifom the shit out of that and ask what scum does seeing a massive wagon on a scummate

maybe they're just both town but then i'd kinda expect a more even spread

i still wanna lynch sandy -_-

idk what i'd do in scott's position as town with his reads on you mocsta, probably want to talk to you about it at least


Let's think here - rsoul.

Let's play you are town (which I'm thinking)

Let's think I'm town (Which I am)

Let's think AZ is mafia (Which I suspect)

The Keisl3r lynch makes sense in a way if he's mafia? Right? I feel he's given up.

AZ wants to lynch me (town) because his buddy (Mafia) will be lynched otherwise. Get Mafia D1 it's probably GG
!

You have the same mindset (or close) as me D1. It seems so weird!

Now, I've had a few drinks already tonight (Yes) - So I'm not trying to use any outs. I just might not be fully mindset.



This kind of attempt to collaborate and negotiate comes from a townie mindset, extending an olive branch and hoping the other person is not mafia. This comes off as genuine and I believe it's hard to fake, especially having no reason to believe knowing people will pick on this as a town indicator.

On June 10 2024 10:59 scott31337 wrote:
Scotty's magic N1 post

So - first -

On June 09 2024 12:23 Mocsta wrote:
On June 09 2024 12:22 die_meatbaby wrote:
On June 09 2024 12:17 Vivax wrote:
With the Kelsier flip and if he‘s town, Scott starts becoming useful to mafia.


Of course he is now usefull for mafia... still easy lynch material
I am pretty sure we had t vs t lynch today.
Thats a reason why he will not get nk tonight.
But why do oats think that he wouldn´t get nk?
because im going to jailkeep him


Now I know scum had to have seen this and someone put it in their chat. And I have two theories -

1. Mocsta is the JK and will protect someone tonight (Said oats in the post)
I think this is the most realistic answer - but I do have some doubts.

I believe Mocsta will get shot tonight.

2. Mocsta fakeclaimed
Now Koshi has been going after Mocsta since he joined.
The other thing I want to ask this day also Koshi -
On June 10 2024 07:26 Koshi wrote:
Mocsta is playing very well if mafia.
My initial ping was that I read too many posts from him that didnt help me solve the game. And after reading his filter I didnt change my mind. If I would pnly fead Mocsta his filter I would probably have a very bad grasp on this game. Way worse than for example scott his filter.

And afterwards, you still call him mafia. So if you read his filter, you saw the post - and you still want to lynch him. So that tells me something.
And I'm willing to listen.

Order list - not lynching today
Trfel - Probably still top town. Still thinking things out even at night. I hope he was protected. Very curious who he wants to go after today also.
Koshi - I townread Rsoultin and I really townread Koshi. I want to hear Koshi's thoughts on the above first.
raynpelikoneet - He's asking questions and thinking about the game as well. I did read Trfel's post on him though and is worth reviewing.
Oatsmaster Oats is playing a lot different than his last game, and he also seems to be investigating/scumhunting.
Mocsta - I still feel he's town. Depending on Koshi, this could obviously change.
Vivax He's been acting a little weird N1, but has some good posts here and there.

Weaker
die_meatbaby - I'm still townleaning DMB, and the Vivax/DMB posting feels TvT to me. But you need to step it up and scumhunt today.
marvellosity - This is so tough. I don't know any recent marv games, but back in the day when we played, he was very timid as scum. This marv is not. But this marv also comes up with indifferent scumreads and is in the bed with AZ. So weird.

Would lynch order
Sandroba - enough said. There hasn't been any new posts from Sandroba from my last one.
Alakaslam Filter is very meh. Marv townread, AZ townread, scumread me. Had one okay post and the rest has not been.
AlphaZero A very good player that has my spider senses on alert. A few other townies have a bit of suspicion also on him, but not enough to really matter yet. I'm very curious of who he goes after today.



This type of night post usually comes from townies as well - of course mafia can fake something like this but when they do it normally comes off unnatural and either too low or too high effort. This one hits right to me and seems genuine.

I'm willing to go and say I feel scott is very likely townie and I'm hoping there is obvious mafia that we can focus on today instead.

I appreciate you chose to prioritise the other wagon although I don't support the town read from that first post.

Firstly the olive branch approach is influence technique. All alignments need to influence.and is null in itself. Scott.is a wagon candidate so I don't agree employing this discerns town over scum. is not a townie trait .

Secondly, contextually rsoultin was responding to me being wary of Scott because scott didn't talk to me about my changing read on AZ - relevant because scott wants to lynch per the post you shared and Scott was buddied to me at that time.

If anything that approach you refer to should have come.to me if Scott was town. No I'm not butthurt.


Regarding the second post, I don't see what you are valuing to assign it as genuine or the right level of detail.. I mean the marv null read is purely association to az.


My curiosity is why you ignored Scott's case of AZ in this analysis?

After all, az.is his top top scim.read and should represent his most genuine effort in the entire.filter no? Note I didn't say accurate, just genuine.

https://tl.net/forum/mafia/625928-sweet-summer-mafia?page=104#2076



I just saw this post so responding to it now, and will resume my read. Of course any alignment can do and post anything, there is no law that says mafia can't post something. Most of my narratives about alignment are kinda of trying to put into words and explain my intuition about something, even trying myself to understand why I think something. In this case the perspective it comes from, the leap of faith towards a player with a slight caveat and the attempt not to rid of suspicion towards oneself but to direct thinking about his world view feels genuine and I can fully explain it from a townie perspective, while from mafia to me would take an amazing actor with very little to gain on this trivial interaction.
I understand the pain and am amazed you can draw /connect with that intuition in a communicable way.

I sto continue to disagree about the first post being a town tell but it's ok and not relevant for now.

Carry on with the read and we see where it goes

It would be great for your intuition on Scott's case of AZ too

You think that case is good?
No gg, No skill.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
June 10 2024 14:17 GMT
#2438
Day Two Vote Count

Vivax (6): Trfel, AlphaZero, Scott31337, Koshi, Mocsta, Alakaslam
Koshi (1): Vivax
scott31337 (0): Vivax

Not Voting (4): Oatsmaster, die_meatbaby, raynpelikoneet, sandroba

With 6 votes, Vivax is currently set to be lynched!

The deadline is Wednesday, Jun 12 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in

Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
June 10 2024 14:20 GMT
#2439
Hi sandroba.. what were you referring to here?

On June 08 2024 05:43 sandroba wrote:
I'm getting weird vibes from kelsier too, but it's not overriding my town read from the mocsta interaction. I'd say I'd prefer if we left him be for today
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
June 10 2024 14:21 GMT
#2440
On June 10 2024 23:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2024 22:59 Mocsta wrote:
On June 10 2024 22:41 sandroba wrote:
On June 10 2024 22:30 Mocsta wrote:
On June 10 2024 22:02 sandroba wrote:
I started by filtering scott, I wanted to see if my read would change from him being likely mafia to inform my reading of the rest of D1. These 2 posts in particular are a strong indication scott is actually townie:
On June 09 2024 10:16 scott31337 wrote:
On June 09 2024 10:07 rsoultin wrote:
gdit all the votes on kels are making me squirrely now too lolol

and then i wifom the shit out of that and ask what scum does seeing a massive wagon on a scummate

maybe they're just both town but then i'd kinda expect a more even spread

i still wanna lynch sandy -_-

idk what i'd do in scott's position as town with his reads on you mocsta, probably want to talk to you about it at least


Let's think here - rsoul.

Let's play you are town (which I'm thinking)

Let's think I'm town (Which I am)

Let's think AZ is mafia (Which I suspect)

The Keisl3r lynch makes sense in a way if he's mafia? Right? I feel he's given up.

AZ wants to lynch me (town) because his buddy (Mafia) will be lynched otherwise. Get Mafia D1 it's probably GG
!

You have the same mindset (or close) as me D1. It seems so weird!

Now, I've had a few drinks already tonight (Yes) - So I'm not trying to use any outs. I just might not be fully mindset.



This kind of attempt to collaborate and negotiate comes from a townie mindset, extending an olive branch and hoping the other person is not mafia. This comes off as genuine and I believe it's hard to fake, especially having no reason to believe knowing people will pick on this as a town indicator.

On June 10 2024 10:59 scott31337 wrote:
Scotty's magic N1 post

So - first -

On June 09 2024 12:23 Mocsta wrote:
On June 09 2024 12:22 die_meatbaby wrote:
On June 09 2024 12:17 Vivax wrote:
With the Kelsier flip and if he‘s town, Scott starts becoming useful to mafia.


Of course he is now usefull for mafia... still easy lynch material
I am pretty sure we had t vs t lynch today.
Thats a reason why he will not get nk tonight.
But why do oats think that he wouldn´t get nk?
because im going to jailkeep him


Now I know scum had to have seen this and someone put it in their chat. And I have two theories -

1. Mocsta is the JK and will protect someone tonight (Said oats in the post)
I think this is the most realistic answer - but I do have some doubts.

I believe Mocsta will get shot tonight.

2. Mocsta fakeclaimed
Now Koshi has been going after Mocsta since he joined.
The other thing I want to ask this day also Koshi -
On June 10 2024 07:26 Koshi wrote:
Mocsta is playing very well if mafia.
My initial ping was that I read too many posts from him that didnt help me solve the game. And after reading his filter I didnt change my mind. If I would pnly fead Mocsta his filter I would probably have a very bad grasp on this game. Way worse than for example scott his filter.

And afterwards, you still call him mafia. So if you read his filter, you saw the post - and you still want to lynch him. So that tells me something.
And I'm willing to listen.

Order list - not lynching today
Trfel - Probably still top town. Still thinking things out even at night. I hope he was protected. Very curious who he wants to go after today also.
Koshi - I townread Rsoultin and I really townread Koshi. I want to hear Koshi's thoughts on the above first.
raynpelikoneet - He's asking questions and thinking about the game as well. I did read Trfel's post on him though and is worth reviewing.
Oatsmaster Oats is playing a lot different than his last game, and he also seems to be investigating/scumhunting.
Mocsta - I still feel he's town. Depending on Koshi, this could obviously change.
Vivax He's been acting a little weird N1, but has some good posts here and there.

Weaker
die_meatbaby - I'm still townleaning DMB, and the Vivax/DMB posting feels TvT to me. But you need to step it up and scumhunt today.
marvellosity - This is so tough. I don't know any recent marv games, but back in the day when we played, he was very timid as scum. This marv is not. But this marv also comes up with indifferent scumreads and is in the bed with AZ. So weird.

Would lynch order
Sandroba - enough said. There hasn't been any new posts from Sandroba from my last one.
Alakaslam Filter is very meh. Marv townread, AZ townread, scumread me. Had one okay post and the rest has not been.
AlphaZero A very good player that has my spider senses on alert. A few other townies have a bit of suspicion also on him, but not enough to really matter yet. I'm very curious of who he goes after today.



This type of night post usually comes from townies as well - of course mafia can fake something like this but when they do it normally comes off unnatural and either too low or too high effort. This one hits right to me and seems genuine.

I'm willing to go and say I feel scott is very likely townie and I'm hoping there is obvious mafia that we can focus on today instead.

I appreciate you chose to prioritise the other wagon although I don't support the town read from that first post.

Firstly the olive branch approach is influence technique. All alignments need to influence.and is null in itself. Scott.is a wagon candidate so I don't agree employing this discerns town over scum. is not a townie trait .

Secondly, contextually rsoultin was responding to me being wary of Scott because scott didn't talk to me about my changing read on AZ - relevant because scott wants to lynch per the post you shared and Scott was buddied to me at that time.

If anything that approach you refer to should have come.to me if Scott was town. No I'm not butthurt.


Regarding the second post, I don't see what you are valuing to assign it as genuine or the right level of detail.. I mean the marv null read is purely association to az.


My curiosity is why you ignored Scott's case of AZ in this analysis?

After all, az.is his top top scim.read and should represent his most genuine effort in the entire.filter no? Note I didn't say accurate, just genuine.

https://tl.net/forum/mafia/625928-sweet-summer-mafia?page=104#2076



I just saw this post so responding to it now, and will resume my read. Of course any alignment can do and post anything, there is no law that says mafia can't post something. Most of my narratives about alignment are kinda of trying to put into words and explain my intuition about something, even trying myself to understand why I think something. In this case the perspective it comes from, the leap of faith towards a player with a slight caveat and the attempt not to rid of suspicion towards oneself but to direct thinking about his world view feels genuine and I can fully explain it from a townie perspective, while from mafia to me would take an amazing actor with very little to gain on this trivial interaction.
I understand the pain and am amazed you can draw /connect with that intuition in a communicable way.

I sto continue to disagree about the first post being a town tell but it's ok and not relevant for now.

Carry on with the read and we see where it goes

It would be great for your intuition on Scott's case of AZ too

You think that case is good?
read my.prior post to sandroba for significance
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