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Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
June 10 2024 14:21 GMT
#2441
On June 10 2024 23:20 Mocsta wrote:
Hi sandroba.. what were you referring to here?

Show nested quote +
On June 08 2024 05:43 sandroba wrote:
I'm getting weird vibes from kelsier too, but it's not overriding my town read from the mocsta interaction. I'd say I'd prefer if we left him be for today

Sorry to clarify

What is the weird vibe from kelsier
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
June 10 2024 14:22 GMT
#2442
Oats. Will you be joining the vivax wagon?
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 10 2024 14:24 GMT
#2443
On June 10 2024 23:21 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2024 23:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
On June 10 2024 22:59 Mocsta wrote:
On June 10 2024 22:41 sandroba wrote:
On June 10 2024 22:30 Mocsta wrote:
On June 10 2024 22:02 sandroba wrote:
I started by filtering scott, I wanted to see if my read would change from him being likely mafia to inform my reading of the rest of D1. These 2 posts in particular are a strong indication scott is actually townie:
On June 09 2024 10:16 scott31337 wrote:
On June 09 2024 10:07 rsoultin wrote:
gdit all the votes on kels are making me squirrely now too lolol

and then i wifom the shit out of that and ask what scum does seeing a massive wagon on a scummate

maybe they're just both town but then i'd kinda expect a more even spread

i still wanna lynch sandy -_-

idk what i'd do in scott's position as town with his reads on you mocsta, probably want to talk to you about it at least


Let's think here - rsoul.

Let's play you are town (which I'm thinking)

Let's think I'm town (Which I am)

Let's think AZ is mafia (Which I suspect)

The Keisl3r lynch makes sense in a way if he's mafia? Right? I feel he's given up.

AZ wants to lynch me (town) because his buddy (Mafia) will be lynched otherwise. Get Mafia D1 it's probably GG
!

You have the same mindset (or close) as me D1. It seems so weird!

Now, I've had a few drinks already tonight (Yes) - So I'm not trying to use any outs. I just might not be fully mindset.



This kind of attempt to collaborate and negotiate comes from a townie mindset, extending an olive branch and hoping the other person is not mafia. This comes off as genuine and I believe it's hard to fake, especially having no reason to believe knowing people will pick on this as a town indicator.

On June 10 2024 10:59 scott31337 wrote:
Scotty's magic N1 post

So - first -

On June 09 2024 12:23 Mocsta wrote:
On June 09 2024 12:22 die_meatbaby wrote:
On June 09 2024 12:17 Vivax wrote:
With the Kelsier flip and if he‘s town, Scott starts becoming useful to mafia.


Of course he is now usefull for mafia... still easy lynch material
I am pretty sure we had t vs t lynch today.
Thats a reason why he will not get nk tonight.
But why do oats think that he wouldn´t get nk?
because im going to jailkeep him


Now I know scum had to have seen this and someone put it in their chat. And I have two theories -

1. Mocsta is the JK and will protect someone tonight (Said oats in the post)
I think this is the most realistic answer - but I do have some doubts.

I believe Mocsta will get shot tonight.

2. Mocsta fakeclaimed
Now Koshi has been going after Mocsta since he joined.
The other thing I want to ask this day also Koshi -
On June 10 2024 07:26 Koshi wrote:
Mocsta is playing very well if mafia.
My initial ping was that I read too many posts from him that didnt help me solve the game. And after reading his filter I didnt change my mind. If I would pnly fead Mocsta his filter I would probably have a very bad grasp on this game. Way worse than for example scott his filter.

And afterwards, you still call him mafia. So if you read his filter, you saw the post - and you still want to lynch him. So that tells me something.
And I'm willing to listen.

Order list - not lynching today
Trfel - Probably still top town. Still thinking things out even at night. I hope he was protected. Very curious who he wants to go after today also.
Koshi - I townread Rsoultin and I really townread Koshi. I want to hear Koshi's thoughts on the above first.
raynpelikoneet - He's asking questions and thinking about the game as well. I did read Trfel's post on him though and is worth reviewing.
Oatsmaster Oats is playing a lot different than his last game, and he also seems to be investigating/scumhunting.
Mocsta - I still feel he's town. Depending on Koshi, this could obviously change.
Vivax He's been acting a little weird N1, but has some good posts here and there.

Weaker
die_meatbaby - I'm still townleaning DMB, and the Vivax/DMB posting feels TvT to me. But you need to step it up and scumhunt today.
marvellosity - This is so tough. I don't know any recent marv games, but back in the day when we played, he was very timid as scum. This marv is not. But this marv also comes up with indifferent scumreads and is in the bed with AZ. So weird.

Would lynch order
Sandroba - enough said. There hasn't been any new posts from Sandroba from my last one.
Alakaslam Filter is very meh. Marv townread, AZ townread, scumread me. Had one okay post and the rest has not been.
AlphaZero A very good player that has my spider senses on alert. A few other townies have a bit of suspicion also on him, but not enough to really matter yet. I'm very curious of who he goes after today.



This type of night post usually comes from townies as well - of course mafia can fake something like this but when they do it normally comes off unnatural and either too low or too high effort. This one hits right to me and seems genuine.

I'm willing to go and say I feel scott is very likely townie and I'm hoping there is obvious mafia that we can focus on today instead.

I appreciate you chose to prioritise the other wagon although I don't support the town read from that first post.

Firstly the olive branch approach is influence technique. All alignments need to influence.and is null in itself. Scott.is a wagon candidate so I don't agree employing this discerns town over scum. is not a townie trait .

Secondly, contextually rsoultin was responding to me being wary of Scott because scott didn't talk to me about my changing read on AZ - relevant because scott wants to lynch per the post you shared and Scott was buddied to me at that time.

If anything that approach you refer to should have come.to me if Scott was town. No I'm not butthurt.


Regarding the second post, I don't see what you are valuing to assign it as genuine or the right level of detail.. I mean the marv null read is purely association to az.


My curiosity is why you ignored Scott's case of AZ in this analysis?

After all, az.is his top top scim.read and should represent his most genuine effort in the entire.filter no? Note I didn't say accurate, just genuine.

https://tl.net/forum/mafia/625928-sweet-summer-mafia?page=104#2076



I just saw this post so responding to it now, and will resume my read. Of course any alignment can do and post anything, there is no law that says mafia can't post something. Most of my narratives about alignment are kinda of trying to put into words and explain my intuition about something, even trying myself to understand why I think something. In this case the perspective it comes from, the leap of faith towards a player with a slight caveat and the attempt not to rid of suspicion towards oneself but to direct thinking about his world view feels genuine and I can fully explain it from a townie perspective, while from mafia to me would take an amazing actor with very little to gain on this trivial interaction.
I understand the pain and am amazed you can draw /connect with that intuition in a communicable way.

I sto continue to disagree about the first post being a town tell but it's ok and not relevant for now.

Carry on with the read and we see where it goes

It would be great for your intuition on Scott's case of AZ too

You think that case is good?
read my.prior post to sandroba for significance

The question is yes/no + why lmao. Why don’t you wanna answer it
No gg, No skill.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
June 10 2024 14:25 GMT
#2444
On June 10 2024 23:24 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2024 23:21 Mocsta wrote:
On June 10 2024 23:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
On June 10 2024 22:59 Mocsta wrote:
On June 10 2024 22:41 sandroba wrote:
On June 10 2024 22:30 Mocsta wrote:
On June 10 2024 22:02 sandroba wrote:
I started by filtering scott, I wanted to see if my read would change from him being likely mafia to inform my reading of the rest of D1. These 2 posts in particular are a strong indication scott is actually townie:
On June 09 2024 10:16 scott31337 wrote:
On June 09 2024 10:07 rsoultin wrote:
gdit all the votes on kels are making me squirrely now too lolol

and then i wifom the shit out of that and ask what scum does seeing a massive wagon on a scummate

maybe they're just both town but then i'd kinda expect a more even spread

i still wanna lynch sandy -_-

idk what i'd do in scott's position as town with his reads on you mocsta, probably want to talk to you about it at least


Let's think here - rsoul.

Let's play you are town (which I'm thinking)

Let's think I'm town (Which I am)

Let's think AZ is mafia (Which I suspect)

The Keisl3r lynch makes sense in a way if he's mafia? Right? I feel he's given up.

AZ wants to lynch me (town) because his buddy (Mafia) will be lynched otherwise. Get Mafia D1 it's probably GG
!

You have the same mindset (or close) as me D1. It seems so weird!

Now, I've had a few drinks already tonight (Yes) - So I'm not trying to use any outs. I just might not be fully mindset.



This kind of attempt to collaborate and negotiate comes from a townie mindset, extending an olive branch and hoping the other person is not mafia. This comes off as genuine and I believe it's hard to fake, especially having no reason to believe knowing people will pick on this as a town indicator.

On June 10 2024 10:59 scott31337 wrote:
Scotty's magic N1 post

So - first -

On June 09 2024 12:23 Mocsta wrote:
On June 09 2024 12:22 die_meatbaby wrote:
[quote]

Of course he is now usefull for mafia... still easy lynch material
I am pretty sure we had t vs t lynch today.
Thats a reason why he will not get nk tonight.
But why do oats think that he wouldn´t get nk?
because im going to jailkeep him


Now I know scum had to have seen this and someone put it in their chat. And I have two theories -

1. Mocsta is the JK and will protect someone tonight (Said oats in the post)
I think this is the most realistic answer - but I do have some doubts.

I believe Mocsta will get shot tonight.

2. Mocsta fakeclaimed
Now Koshi has been going after Mocsta since he joined.
The other thing I want to ask this day also Koshi -
On June 10 2024 07:26 Koshi wrote:
Mocsta is playing very well if mafia.
My initial ping was that I read too many posts from him that didnt help me solve the game. And after reading his filter I didnt change my mind. If I would pnly fead Mocsta his filter I would probably have a very bad grasp on this game. Way worse than for example scott his filter.

And afterwards, you still call him mafia. So if you read his filter, you saw the post - and you still want to lynch him. So that tells me something.
And I'm willing to listen.

Order list - not lynching today
Trfel - Probably still top town. Still thinking things out even at night. I hope he was protected. Very curious who he wants to go after today also.
Koshi - I townread Rsoultin and I really townread Koshi. I want to hear Koshi's thoughts on the above first.
raynpelikoneet - He's asking questions and thinking about the game as well. I did read Trfel's post on him though and is worth reviewing.
Oatsmaster Oats is playing a lot different than his last game, and he also seems to be investigating/scumhunting.
Mocsta - I still feel he's town. Depending on Koshi, this could obviously change.
Vivax He's been acting a little weird N1, but has some good posts here and there.

Weaker
die_meatbaby - I'm still townleaning DMB, and the Vivax/DMB posting feels TvT to me. But you need to step it up and scumhunt today.
marvellosity - This is so tough. I don't know any recent marv games, but back in the day when we played, he was very timid as scum. This marv is not. But this marv also comes up with indifferent scumreads and is in the bed with AZ. So weird.

Would lynch order
Sandroba - enough said. There hasn't been any new posts from Sandroba from my last one.
Alakaslam Filter is very meh. Marv townread, AZ townread, scumread me. Had one okay post and the rest has not been.
AlphaZero A very good player that has my spider senses on alert. A few other townies have a bit of suspicion also on him, but not enough to really matter yet. I'm very curious of who he goes after today.



This type of night post usually comes from townies as well - of course mafia can fake something like this but when they do it normally comes off unnatural and either too low or too high effort. This one hits right to me and seems genuine.

I'm willing to go and say I feel scott is very likely townie and I'm hoping there is obvious mafia that we can focus on today instead.

I appreciate you chose to prioritise the other wagon although I don't support the town read from that first post.

Firstly the olive branch approach is influence technique. All alignments need to influence.and is null in itself. Scott.is a wagon candidate so I don't agree employing this discerns town over scum. is not a townie trait .

Secondly, contextually rsoultin was responding to me being wary of Scott because scott didn't talk to me about my changing read on AZ - relevant because scott wants to lynch per the post you shared and Scott was buddied to me at that time.

If anything that approach you refer to should have come.to me if Scott was town. No I'm not butthurt.


Regarding the second post, I don't see what you are valuing to assign it as genuine or the right level of detail.. I mean the marv null read is purely association to az.


My curiosity is why you ignored Scott's case of AZ in this analysis?

After all, az.is his top top scim.read and should represent his most genuine effort in the entire.filter no? Note I didn't say accurate, just genuine.

https://tl.net/forum/mafia/625928-sweet-summer-mafia?page=104#2076



I just saw this post so responding to it now, and will resume my read. Of course any alignment can do and post anything, there is no law that says mafia can't post something. Most of my narratives about alignment are kinda of trying to put into words and explain my intuition about something, even trying myself to understand why I think something. In this case the perspective it comes from, the leap of faith towards a player with a slight caveat and the attempt not to rid of suspicion towards oneself but to direct thinking about his world view feels genuine and I can fully explain it from a townie perspective, while from mafia to me would take an amazing actor with very little to gain on this trivial interaction.
I understand the pain and am amazed you can draw /connect with that intuition in a communicable way.

I sto continue to disagree about the first post being a town tell but it's ok and not relevant for now.

Carry on with the read and we see where it goes

It would be great for your intuition on Scott's case of AZ too

You think that case is good?
read my.prior post to sandroba for significance

The question is yes/no + why lmao. Why don’t you wanna answer it
az is town. The case is wrong by default

What's your point?
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
June 10 2024 14:35 GMT
#2445
On June 10 2024 23:22 Mocsta wrote:
Oats. Will you be joining the vivax wagon?

Oi

Don't cock block my question to sandroba and then fuck off without answering mine

Love you too

sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
June 10 2024 14:40 GMT
#2446
Oats is either town or mafia with rsoul. If rsoul is town I don't think it's ever reasonable for oats to be mafia. There is just too much effort and insistence arguing against rsoul about her misrepresentation / misinterpretation of my post.
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
June 10 2024 14:42 GMT
#2447
On June 10 2024 21:20 Vivax wrote:
I think Koshi is mafia now but that means I have to re-evaluate the entire game now.

Because him townreading scott for that stupid reason reeks a lot of tmi.


He literally says his reason multiple times.

I'm feeling good about this so far.
THIS WAGON IS HITTING MAFIA FOR SURE BOYS!
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 10 2024 14:46 GMT
#2448
On June 10 2024 23:35 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2024 23:22 Mocsta wrote:
Oats. Will you be joining the vivax wagon?

Oi

Don't cock block my question to sandroba and then fuck off without answering mine

Love you too


Idk
No gg, No skill.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 10 2024 14:47 GMT
#2449
On June 10 2024 23:40 sandroba wrote:
Oats is either town or mafia with rsoul. If rsoul is town I don't think it's ever reasonable for oats to be mafia. There is just too much effort and insistence arguing against rsoul about her misrepresentation / misinterpretation of my post.

this is very bad conclusion.
table for two on a tv tray
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
June 10 2024 15:06 GMT
#2450
I'm around page 70, the beginning of N1. My worldview right now is:
Town:
trfel
mocsta
oats
scott
Likely town:
vivax
AZ
Mafia is here:
rsoul, rayn, dmb, slam
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22218 Posts
June 10 2024 15:15 GMT
#2451
On June 11 2024 00:06 sandroba wrote:
I'm around page 70, the beginning of N1. My worldview right now is:
Town:
trfel
mocsta
oats
scott
Likely town:
vivax
AZ
Mafia is here:
rsoul, rayn, dmb, slam


rsoul ?

Aside from that it‘s not bad.

Koshi/dmb/slam/rayn/mocsta is my newest pool.
But it‘s thrown together I‘m busy moving and I won‘t post boxes.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22218 Posts
June 10 2024 15:20 GMT
#2452
Bozo government almost done robbing.
They can wipe their own arses around here when everyone with a brain escapes.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
June 10 2024 15:21 GMT
#2453
On June 09 2024 17:00 Koshi wrote:
I am 100% convinced you are mafia. But I will lynch you last because your filter is huge.

Sandroba and Mocsta are both mafia and I think we agree on that.


Okay this actually makes me feel a lot better, since I think rsoul is to me much harder to pin down as mafia than Koshi. For Koshi if he is this bad he is mafia and this view makes him mafia 100%. There is absolutely no way Koshi comes in with fresh eyes, reads the same thread as me and comes to this conclusion.
die_meatbaby
Profile Joined May 2023
Colombia1344 Posts
June 10 2024 15:22 GMT
#2454
On June 11 2024 00:15 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2024 00:06 sandroba wrote:
I'm around page 70, the beginning of N1. My worldview right now is:
Town:
trfel
mocsta
oats
scott
Likely town:
vivax
AZ
Mafia is here:
rsoul, rayn, dmb, slam


rsoul ?

Aside from that it‘s not bad.

Koshi/dmb/slam/rayn/mocsta is my newest pool.
But it‘s thrown together I‘m busy moving and I won‘t post boxes.


So you and sandro already working together in the thread? Pls do that on discord not here. Thats to obvious...

##Vote Vivax
Everything has an end only the sausage has two
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 10 2024 15:25 GMT
#2455
Sandroba why am i mafia?
table for two on a tv tray
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
June 10 2024 15:25 GMT
#2456
On June 11 2024 00:15 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2024 00:06 sandroba wrote:
I'm around page 70, the beginning of N1. My worldview right now is:
Town:
trfel
mocsta
oats
scott
Likely town:
vivax
AZ
Mafia is here:
rsoul, rayn, dmb, slam


rsoul ?

Aside from that it‘s not bad.

Koshi/dmb/slam/rayn/mocsta is my newest pool.
But it‘s thrown together I‘m busy moving and I won‘t post boxes.


So are you saying your mindset has changed from me?
THIS WAGON IS HITTING MAFIA FOR SURE BOYS!
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22218 Posts
June 10 2024 15:29 GMT
#2457
On June 11 2024 00:25 scott31337 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2024 00:15 Vivax wrote:
On June 11 2024 00:06 sandroba wrote:
I'm around page 70, the beginning of N1. My worldview right now is:
Town:
trfel
mocsta
oats
scott
Likely town:
vivax
AZ
Mafia is here:
rsoul, rayn, dmb, slam


rsoul ?

Aside from that it‘s not bad.

Koshi/dmb/slam/rayn/mocsta is my newest pool.
But it‘s thrown together I‘m busy moving and I won‘t post boxes.


So are you saying your mindset has changed from me?


Maybe. I haven‘t concluded.

I‘m not in a good state of mind for this game I have too much anger inside and nobody tells me shit. I‘ve literally just been the useful gullible idiot for 90% of people in my life I hate it.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22218 Posts
June 10 2024 15:45 GMT
#2458
But don‘t let that stop you from lynching me. That‘s not relevant compared to the shit the crooks do around here
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
June 10 2024 15:51 GMT
#2459
On June 11 2024 00:45 Vivax wrote:
But don‘t let that stop you from lynching me. That‘s not relevant compared to the shit the crooks do around here


Well we're not lynching Koshi today either.

I don't think there's been a game (I could be wrong it was years ago) he read me improperly.
THIS WAGON IS HITTING MAFIA FOR SURE BOYS!
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22218 Posts
June 10 2024 15:58 GMT
#2460
Scott why claim you want to get shot.

If you look at the wagons yesterday, what do you think mafia would have done knowing your alignment ?
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