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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22089 Posts
June 10 2024 20:47 GMT
#2661
On June 11 2024 05:45 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2024 05:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 11 2024 05:39 Trfel wrote:
On June 11 2024 05:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I should be on computer in somewhat 30mins.
Let it be known i already told AZ 6 hours ago i dont think case on vivax is strong. Vivax teaction to case wss also townie. I can write why the case is not hood an see how many people will still stick there.
Don't bother, I can't imagine Vivax getting lynched.

Is there any reason why I should think you are town?

I made the best case anyone has this game.

Is this case in the room with us?


It‘s probably a cigarette case
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 10 2024 20:59 GMT
#2662
On June 11 2024 02:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sandrobas reads do not track. He just took the town consensus scumreads and put them in a list.

That in itself isnt wrong, but he has just talked anout how oats can be scum if rsoultin is scum, then rsoultin (koshi) is scum, but oats is not on the list.

Also case on rsoul being mafia is basically "i cant find reasons for her to be mafia"?????
Okay, lemme break down the best case in the game.

First point, you even say isn't bad in and of itself.

Second point, I thought made sense, upon rereading sandroba's filter though that's not what he is saying. Sandroba's post #2446 means that he thinks Oatsmaster can't be mafia if rsoultin/Koshi is town. He just said it in a weird way. Then, separately, he thinks Oatsmaster is town. At a glance you can maybe see it as sandroba thinking that if rsoultin/Koshi is mafia, Oatsmaster is mafia, but I really really don't think that is what sandroba is saying.

Third point, huh? My best guess at what you are trying to say is that you are referring to this:
On June 11 2024 00:21 sandroba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2024 17:00 Koshi wrote:
I am 100% convinced you are mafia. But I will lynch you last because your filter is huge.

Sandroba and Mocsta are both mafia and I think we agree on that.


Okay this actually makes me feel a lot better, since I think rsoul is to me much harder to pin down as mafia than Koshi. For Koshi if he is this bad he is mafia and this view makes him mafia 100%. There is absolutely no way Koshi comes in with fresh eyes, reads the same thread as me and comes to this conclusion.
Which isn't just a misinterpretation of sandroba's post but is blatantly ignoring the entire point?

You cannot possibly think this case holds any water whatsoever, much less being the best case in the game?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 10 2024 21:00 GMT
#2663
Whenever raynpelikoneet posts, I get more convinced he is mafia.

Whenever Koshi posts, I get more convinced he is mafia.

Whenever die_meatbaby posts, I get a little more convinced she is mafia. Just, this doesn't happen very often.

I give up, it's just too obvious, surely it can't be right. Someone else figure this out ><
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22089 Posts
June 10 2024 21:01 GMT
#2664
If sandro and Trfel say so I‘m willing to ride along.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22089 Posts
June 10 2024 21:02 GMT
#2665
I mean I just live cases Koshi but I said that for emphasis
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 10 2024 21:09 GMT
#2666
Let me rephrase then.

Here is what sandroba posts during his catch up.
On June 10 2024 23:40 sandroba wrote:
Oats is either town or mafia with rsoul. If rsoul is town I don't think it's ever reasonable for oats to be mafia. There is just too much effort and insistence arguing against rsoul about her misrepresentation / misinterpretation of my post.

Now this has to be important for him because he takes the time to make this read(s). Otherwise it is just blatant nonsense that needs no attention from his part. Not only that this gives the impression or rsoultin being mafia, the Oats part here is important. Otherwise, again, why post any of this?

I think it's a dumb pre-flip association read, that isn't even good at all in the first place, and doesn't really hold water from what i read, but okay, maybe sandroba can make that read town.

Then he continues:
On June 11 2024 00:06 sandroba wrote:
I'm around page 70, the beginning of N1. My worldview right now is:
Town:
trfel
mocsta
oats
scott
Likely town:
vivax
AZ
Mafia is here:
rsoul, rayn, dmb, slam

Now rsoultin is there in his mafia list.
If rsoultin is there in his mafia list, Oats should be there as well as possible mafia, because he JUST felt the need to tell the thread Oats can be mafia with rsoultin. Otherwise there is simply no bone behind his first post, i mean if he think Oats is anyways not mafia.

That's a very simple discrepancy in his reads, and his posts, he felt were important things to say during his catch up.
Basically both of his post above cannot be true at the same time.

Later on he tries to answer with this:
On June 11 2024 03:57 sandroba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2024 02:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sandrobas reads do not track. He just took the town consensus scumreads and put them in a list.

That in itself isnt wrong, but he has just talked anout how oats can be scum if rsoultin is scum, then rsoultin (koshi) is scum, but oats is not on the list.

Also case on rsoul being mafia is basically "i cant find reasons for her to be mafia"?????


This post just looks like someone trying to bury me, I honestly after being caught up don't even think there is any consensus here. Rsoul / Koshi being scum does not make oats scum, although it makes him not 100% town based on that logic alone. I haven't posted any case on rsoul, although I do believe that slot is likely mafia.

This however has nothing to do with what i said.

There is also this, what he says about Koshi:
On June 11 2024 00:21 sandroba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2024 17:00 Koshi wrote:
I am 100% convinced you are mafia. But I will lynch you last because your filter is huge.

Sandroba and Mocsta are both mafia and I think we agree on that.


Okay this actually makes me feel a lot better, since I think rsoul is to me much harder to pin down as mafia than Koshi. For Koshi if he is this bad he is mafia and this view makes him mafia 100%. There is absolutely no way Koshi comes in with fresh eyes, reads the same thread as me and comes to this conclusion.

I dontr care about Koshi here, but look at what he says about rsoultin.
"rsoultin is to me much harder to pin down as mafia than Koshi",
come on, is his scum read on rsoultin based on he doesnt know why rsoultin is mafia???
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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 10 2024 21:10 GMT
#2667
@trfel
Vivax has trouble keeping up his activity as mafia, it stands to reason that he'd struggle even more when facing large odds. (explanation: if you have a hard time posting and keeping active as mafia, then that's even harder when your purpose for posting, staying alive, seems out of reach)

He’s not having trouble keeping his activity up though? Like this is straight up not actually happening
No gg, No skill.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 10 2024 21:11 GMT
#2668
TLDR;

If sandroba thinks rsoultin is mafia and Oats is town, there is simply no reason to say Oats can be mafia with rsoultin.
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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 10 2024 21:13 GMT
#2669
Oh nvm trfel agrees with me
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 10 2024 21:13 GMT
#2670
On June 11 2024 06:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
TLDR;

If sandroba thinks rsoultin is mafia and Oats is town, there is simply no reason to say Oats can be mafia with rsoultin.

[vote Sandro]
No gg, No skill.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 10 2024 21:17 GMT
#2671
I really really don't know what Trfel is doing right now but it is way too insane to come from mafia.
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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 10 2024 21:17 GMT
#2672
@scott why you ninja voting Sandro?
No gg, No skill.
die_meatbaby
Profile Joined May 2023
Colombia1344 Posts
June 10 2024 21:18 GMT
#2673
First of all nice that sandroba started to play again, but your Comeback posts are not what makes me feel better about you.
I still believe it's you and mocstar together + maybe Vivax. First time that I am not a 100 % sure about vivax alignment.
##Unvote
##Vote: Sandroba
Everything has an end only the sausage has two
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 10 2024 21:21 GMT
#2674
I'm not going to argue with raynpelikoneet when he is likely mafia and is very obviously basing his arguments on nonsense. No matter how right I am, it's not reasonable to expect myself to be able to convince him that he is mafia.

He's going to jump at this and demand explanations and I am going to ignore him

Happy to discuss if we should lynch die_meatbaby, raynpelikoneet, or Koshi first. I'm quite torn about this, I hate to let any of them escape this.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 10 2024 21:23 GMT
#2675
You can surely defend sandroba for him if you like then.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 10 2024 21:26 GMT
#2676
On June 11 2024 06:18 die_meatbaby wrote:
First of all nice that sandroba started to play again, but your Comeback posts are not what makes me feel better about you.
I still believe it's you and mocstar together + maybe Vivax. First time that I am not a 100 % sure about vivax alignment.
##Unvote
##Vote: Sandroba

I am quite certain Vivax is town and i think you are wrong.
How does that go with you?
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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 10 2024 21:26 GMT
#2677
On June 11 2024 06:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
@scott why you ninja voting Sandro?

He didn't really. I asked all my bros to vote for Sandro.
I had a good night of sleep.
die_meatbaby
Profile Joined May 2023
Colombia1344 Posts
June 10 2024 21:27 GMT
#2678
On June 11 2024 06:21 Trfel wrote:
I'm not going to argue with raynpelikoneet when he is likely mafia and is very obviously basing his arguments on nonsense. No matter how right I am, it's not reasonable to expect myself to be able to convince him that he is mafia.

He's going to jump at this and demand explanations and I am going to ignore him

Happy to discuss if we should lynch die_meatbaby, raynpelikoneet, or Koshi first. I'm quite torn about this, I hate to let any of them escape this.

Explain me how I am wrong with sandroba and Mocstar?
Explain me how sandroba is town??
If you believe that Mocstar is PR then why didn't mafia kill him?
Everything has an end only the sausage has two
die_meatbaby
Profile Joined May 2023
Colombia1344 Posts
June 10 2024 21:29 GMT
#2679
On June 11 2024 06:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2024 06:18 die_meatbaby wrote:
First of all nice that sandroba started to play again, but your Comeback posts are not what makes me feel better about you.
I still believe it's you and mocstar together + maybe Vivax. First time that I am not a 100 % sure about vivax alignment.
##Unvote
##Vote: Sandroba

I am quite certain Vivax is town and i think you are wrong.
How does that go with you?

I need more time to read vivax and also to read you
Everything has an end only the sausage has two
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 10 2024 21:30 GMT
#2680
On June 11 2024 06:29 die_meatbaby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2024 06:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On June 11 2024 06:18 die_meatbaby wrote:
First of all nice that sandroba started to play again, but your Comeback posts are not what makes me feel better about you.
I still believe it's you and mocstar together + maybe Vivax. First time that I am not a 100 % sure about vivax alignment.
##Unvote
##Vote: Sandroba

I am quite certain Vivax is town and i think you are wrong.
How does that go with you?

I need more time to read vivax and also to read you

Looking forward to this.
I don't think Trfel is stupid, so if there is anything right in his reads is that you're mafia, imo.
So please make the time go fast.
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