Liquidmania Qualifier #2

On January 16 2017 03:06 LightningStrike wrote:

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On January 16 2017 03:10 LightningStrike wrote:
TBH though if Damdred keeps pushing all of Day 1 and thinks I scum then he pretty much will claim scum just fyi since he normally can read me well.

On January 16 2017 03:22 Vivax wrote:


So you're trying to remodel yourself into a rubberband?

I was mostly alluding to you being psychologically tense though.

I found that sort of scummy but I'm still ruminating on it. I'll just keep observing for now

Why scummy? Cause as scum posting early you'd be like. "What? Now I'm here to put in effort I don't have to actually put in and nobody's here?" and then you jump at things in a bit of an exaggerated manner to compensate for that.

On January 16 2017 03:27 Vivax wrote:


Your posts give me the impression that you sit in front of the computer screen with an attitude like "alright, I'm here, I need to do something, fucking give me something to do already".

I found that sort of scummy but I'm still ruminating on it. I'll just keep observing for now

Why scummy? Cause as scum posting early you'd be like. "What? Now I'm here to put in effort I don't have to actually put in and nobody's here?" and then you jump at things in a bit of an exaggerated manner to compensate for that.

Your posts give me the impression that you sit in front of the computer screen with an attitude like "alright, I'm here, I need to do something, fucking give me something to do already".

I found that sort of scummy but I'm still ruminating on it. I'll just keep observing for now

Why scummy? Cause as scum posting early you'd be like. "What? Now I'm here to put in effort I don't have to actually put in and nobody's here?" and then you jump at things in a bit of an exaggerated manner to compensate for that.

On January 16 2017 03:41 LightningStrike wrote:
I think Vivax might be town for his questioning onto Hapa or at least trying to draw a conclusion with his posts towards Hapa.

On January 16 2017 03:27 Vivax wrote:
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I found that sort of scummy but I'm still ruminating on it. I'll just keep observing for now
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On January 16 2017 03:51 Vivax wrote:
whoa Hapa coming out with the big guns =O. Why so quick to jump the gun here? Seems a bit overreactive.

On January 16 2017 03:27 Vivax wrote:
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I found that sort of scummy but I'm still ruminating on it. I'll just keep observing for now
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On January 16 2017 04:12 Vivax wrote:


Nah it just feels too early for me to jump to definite conclusions based on a single observation. Your attitude back then could also be explained from a townie point of view, and ultimately I'm not going to make a decision on your alignment just based on that single point as I don't feel it already warrants a scumread. You looked pretty cramped and I explained why I thought it was slightly more likely to come from scum.

Or in a nutshell: I don't reason in absolutes. And I don't think you are right that only town reasons in absolutes. I can mention points that catch my interest without them necessarily leading to a confident conclusion.

On January 16 2017 04:16 Vivax wrote:
My turn:

Why ask me about my meta read on you if the jist of all your points put together is that I discredited my own point?

On January 16 2017 04:34 Holyflare wrote:


I liked the process of reading what you were doing and making a remark on how it affected his thought on you. It was remarkably high level compared to what I'm used to seeing recently.

On January 16 2017 04:22 Damdred wrote:
It is interesting as a side note that hapa was interested enough to ask me a question about ls reading but just disnt care enough to respond to me answering (feelings hurt).

Really I did like that vivax had a sort of point he wanted to drive home. I disagree with him though.

I liked hapa offensive capabilities but I sort of feel like it was misplaced it felt like.

Fight seems off to me.

On January 16 2017 04:32 LightningStrike wrote:

I agree on the last portion. Also I not important to Hapa apparently lol.

On January 16 2017 05:14 Vivax wrote:


Town has no reason to hide et cetera is just an empty phrase in this context. A truism that everyone will agree with while unrelated to the context, as I hid nothing. Smells a bit like a rhetorical trick where you mix statements nobody can disagree with into the rest of the (debatable) argumentation.

My objective was to point out your attitude in the thread, which I did. And argue why it could come from scum, which I did.

But my objective is also to not make a decision too early based on too little. And I believe it is too little on its own to outright call you scum for it.

So I still don't know what point you are trying to make besides that I should reason in absolutes as town. Is the point now that I tried to hide something?

Your meta question just seems out of place to me. I literally have no idea why I should apply meta when I'm just having a conversation with someone scumreading me. So I'm wondering how it made it into your argumentation, which I still don't see explained. Maybe now you think that it's not important. But it's important to know what you were thinking at the time that you wrote that.

On January 16 2017 05:16 Damdred wrote:
Here is the thing hapa I already have a pretty solid read on me currently. And that he is probably town at this point moving forward.

How did I get here? Why thank you for asking!

You see it starts with me having bad reasons that are correct. LS makes a meta point about my play and how I react to him, ( ie of I legit push him as scum and he flips town im scum as I read him like 100%). Town point.

States things that are clear as day at points even jokes. Town point (really lacks much of this as scum).

And seems to be able to give ok if not lower thought process on current events. So he's just town.

And that went on longer than I wanted

On January 16 2017 05:25 Vivax wrote:
I could use some feedback on the content of the whole discussion. Especially from HF cause he's been too neutral for my taste so far.

I really dislike having to post an opinion on Hapa at this point cause it's always hard to seem credible/unbiased when being attacked, but the first oddity I noticed is the way he went about it.

Is it townie that you instantly make a case (with that out of place question about meta, I might add) with questions mixed in it that you could simply have asked beforehand?

On January 16 2017 05:36 Vivax wrote:


Do you find it scummy?

On January 16 2017 04:07 Holyflare wrote:
I like that vivax drew his conclusion, I like that hapa called it weird because I felt the same.

That is all.

On January 16 2017 04:34 Holyflare wrote:


I liked the process of reading what you were doing and making a remark on how it affected his thought on you. It was remarkably high level compared to what I'm used to seeing recently.

On January 16 2017 08:05 Holyflare wrote:
?????????????????

Because town people generally care about what they think and have thought 2 hours previously.
Because town people don't usually forget the person they thought was weird/scummy.
Because town people don't try and retroactively defend themselves with lies when their answer is I forgot.
Because town don't change their entire story to stop someone scum reading them.
Because town don't then realise they've been caught out lying and try to retroactively undo their lie AGAIN!

Wtf hapa it's not that hard to understand???

On January 16 2017 07:43 Damdred wrote:
Eh I see where the disconect is, my posting implies that hi had an earlier bad feeling and I don't talk about hapa in that posting.

Ehhhhh, I can see it and understand your point.

It's a mistake on my part, maybe I meant to type hhapa there instead of vivax. I'm not sure what I was thinking or if i wwa just in a hurry.

Unfortunate but I doubt you believe my explanation anyway.

On January 16 2017 09:35 Holyflare wrote:


If you can read it like this after reading the last 5 or so posts on the last page where he specifically responds to my case and acknowledges the points then you must be mafia.

That's such a ridiculous defense on a person that doesn't even need defending and if it was truly an error on his part could quite easily vindicate himself later. The typos in this post you've linked are incredibly obvious phone auto corrects, for example, the name ls is extremely close to the letters M and E.

I don't think the letters V I V A X are close to H A P A in the slightest and in no way, shape or form would it ever be auto corrected to switch around.

Furthermore, to compound on your bull shittery, he mentions both your name and vivax as two separate paragraphs and points in his post. Two separate matters. It's not a typo at all and in fact is quite clearly talking about two people instead of "mistaking" the names. If it was a mistake it would be one paragraph.

On January 16 2017 09:53 Holyflare wrote:
I think hapa can absolutely be mafia.

His vivax fight/unvote felt forced especially since in one of his posts his whole vivax criticism is that vivax is posting what's on his mind and it's weak accusations but then says we should be posting everything we can.

His "suspicion" on me for what was blatantly troll posts but mimicry of what vivax was saying into nothing further about me (no follow up now I've posted).

His drive by comments and non participation into really out of the blue defence based on clear phone auto corrects is really odd when he likes pressure being put on people. His whole push just takes the wind out of my sails and shuts down a discussion avenue. Weird post even if it's what he thinks.

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On January 16 2017 10:14 Damdred wrote:
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I think outside that hapa should tell us how he reads vivax now. And how he actually reads the interchange between hf and myself.
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On January 16 2017 10:37 Holyflare wrote:
I don't have a problem with forcing a fight because that's what I do a lot of the time. Your fight seemed unnecessarily extended and since it was forced because you wanted more discussion about things you were quite dismissive when new points arose (damdred's ls points).

It's incongruous to want more discussion but not be that interested when it occurs. To add to that you were quite keen to sit back and do nothing with regards to damdred and myself for quite a while only to give no opinion in regards to anything alignment indicative.

Basically you want discussion but are shutting down discussion topics and not weighing in yourself.

What do we know about what you think of people currently? Absolutely nothing.

On January 16 2017 10:40 Holyflare wrote:
And the ls/vivax thing is strange because you want their thoughts on something:

1) you are quite resolute in calling pointless
2) you haven't given your thoughts on any person so it seems like you're fobbing off that job to them.

On January 16 2017 10:48 Holyflare wrote:
I'm just going to wait for the other half of the game to participate instead.

On January 16 2017 07:43 Holyflare wrote:
And hapa you can't just drive by drop a comment and peace out after I've stepped up. Gotta do that hardcore commitment you so badly wanted at the start now.

On January 16 2017 05:39 Damdred wrote:


It's something meta specific to ls. He's incredibly lazy, isn't really confrontational and lays super low as scum.

He can get past these of his partner is someone he lives and pushed his buttons and rides him hard.

I would give it an 7-8 atm. Probably halfway through the day I can lock in depending. But some nice meta things on ls.

On January 17 2017 00:58 Alakaslam wrote:

Ya!

HF is looking like a badass by running around discrediting people till he lynches them, and if they was town it's their fault for being bad, if scum it is because he is badass

Hapa running around being high tier, and generally sheepable and conftown IMSO.

Damdred and LS saying stuff that I think people putting too much stock in, u coming in here and being generally wise but also making too much of HF and Hapa, with regard to H8 HF just because he sez stuff that is aggro

On January 17 2017 01:07 Damdred wrote:


I actually see differently after I looked at his filter and read the thread. Yeah hes not super in tune yet with his reads being present but hes going out of his way to find examples of previous games where certain situations have occured.

Mainly dealing with me, but I think its a good sign that he is doing things like that. I think it shows the opposite of being lazy, not many people would bother to comb throughg ames to find examples of what hes talking about.

Wouldn't lynch today at all, but i think hes pretty towny currently.

On January 16 2017 09:43 Damdred wrote:
Eh I'm partial to people defending me tbh. I think it's it's non point though both ways as I have no reason to lie about mistaking something.

Maybe hapa could be scum but I sont think it makes him scum here.

On January 16 2017 09:47 Damdred wrote:
Eh if like to talk some actually hf.

I don't like hapa post for a couple reasons. One I don't want to talk about as you kinda covered it.

But he soft defended me and I hate soft defends. Like I think its a great mafia thing to do asbit leaves his options open which he does.

On January 16 2017 10:14 Damdred wrote:
Ok fine with family time so I can make an actual good response.

Vivax was pretty t owny from his first few posts (to this point). That was why the fight originally felt a bit strange and off to me, it seemed like hapa was going after vivax for no real reason except to have things to do

I didn't question the unvotw because I felt like vivax was only getting more towny aas it went. (Vivax only real meh moment was his read on you). So it felt like at the time hapa just realized vivax was making sense to me.

I think outside that hapa should tell us how he reads vivax now. And how he actually reads the interchange between hf and myself.

On January 17 2017 01:07 Alakaslam wrote:

Because for once, you are someone who has used reason over emotion here.

On January 17 2017 01:55 Rels wrote:

Don't see how that's scummy. Townie being unsure, especially early game, is not weird

On January 17 2017 01:56 Rels wrote:
Hapa I might be tunneled. But again all of these questions seem pointless to me. They look good but won't add anything meaningful. Not the Vivax one, but the other two

On January 17 2017 02:01 Holyflare wrote:


Do you think mafia simply forget what they've posted after 4 minutes and contradict themselves?

On January 17 2017 04:24 Vivax wrote:
I'm warming up to the idea of Damdred being scum, for one really simple reason: There's no bite, no desire to find scum or push the game forward. I have yet to see him make some good observation that's aimed at catching someone.

Overall he looks waaaay to peaceful. Only townreads. And I wouldn't even complain that he doesn't have scumreads, but I believe he didn't even try to find one, when I look at his filter.

On January 17 2017 05:38 Damdred wrote:
Well as long as my death is peaceful.

Honestly i probably just won't be here for lynch tomorrow so if we majority on me before I leave I kind of just have to accept it now. I basically have frmo now until 9 pm eastern to do things then i might dissapear until after lynch.

Sadly not to have sex with my wife for 17 hours straight :'(. I'll try to find something thats interesting to me but its just not to interesting yet in thread i guess.

On January 17 2017 06:15 Damdred wrote:


The only thing that is even remotely interesting to me is Onegu read on slam honestly. I thought slam said a couple of things that I could see come from town. Which makes his read of null but voting nad not commenting on anything in the thread else bad to me.

Especially for Onegu.

Besides that I am wafly on what I think, nothing else has piqued me right now.

On January 17 2017 07:07 Rels wrote:

And this is weird. What were you "private" reads ?

On January 17 2017 05:08 Holyflare wrote:
I'm at a bit of an impasse because I think there could actually be too many scum :D

On January 17 2017 05:14 Holyflare wrote:
I'm really, really, really not a fan of LS since he's done shit all and then went on and on about how he NEEDED damdred's read on me/hapa to do anything and then just said fair enough and did absolutely nothing when damdred did post something relevant

then I hate that damdred/rels KEEP making these lazy meta ls reads that aren't even true and then when presented with new information that should update their reads they don't even bother looking into it or fact checking it and damdred is playing lazzyyyy

then I hate onegu's "catch up" but I don't know if that's extreme bias because I despise a million times over people that do page by page catch ups instead of just a summary but regardless his catch up that he's done so far is shit

then there's Hapa who is seemingly calling out Onegu/damdred and even voting Damdred for EXACTLY what he was criticised of doing (having no reads, not pushing much) but Hapa doesn't acknowledge that LS has said that Damdred has never hard town read LS as mafia damdred:



which I think I hate by far the most

On January 17 2017 05:26 Holyflare wrote:
I'm just gonna sit on damdred and see where it goes, it's majority shit lynch anyway.

On January 17 2017 07:31 Rels wrote:
hapa how would you rate your D1 scum lynching skill ?

I really just dont try to read him until later in the game. My thoughts is if he is town scum have to shoot him because he will figure things out eventually. And if he is scum is reads later in the game wont make as much sense and he will still be alive which under normal circumstances he wont. I have been in games where scum left him alive until mylo and he solved the game. It just takes time for me to form a read I am comfortable with on him.

On January 17 2017 22:24 Rels wrote:
that's also waht I expect from Slam and what's missing from him. THere is no read, only no-content posts. It's like he's forcing himself to have no read. And he's lecturing people about it, saying stuff like "if you think I'm scum for having no scumreads you're bad". Weird mix of having no opinion, seemlingly having fun, but still teaching people about the game

On January 17 2017 18:07 Holyflare wrote:
I'll draw you a pretty picture of where I'm at when I finish work.

Hapa how come you think I'm mafia when my list of potential mafia are everyone you've been calling out? Ls, you've said he starts to fit damdred's meta of being lazy but never follow that up further and "at a stretch" he's not even in your list of, now 3, mafia suspects.

You wanted to lynch damdred for what reason? That he's playing the same as you and that's it?

Onegu? Not doing anything?

Me? Not pushing stuff?

This list of people is incredibly superficial and you have no actual reasons, despite there being ACTUAL reasons to scum read these people or town read them.

Damdred there's a tonne to weigh up. Him being demotivated, not doing much and rolling over is normally what I consider town damdred to be. You may not know that but if you're town he's playing the exact same way you're criticising 3 (and include yourself) people for. What made him mafia over everyone else? Why ignore the LS meta read that damdred has never hard town read LS as mafia? Then there's also him just rolling with the thread/whatever I have said, ignoring his meta read on ls being wrong multiple times and the afk excuse that just pops up out of nowhere.

None of the above feature in your thoughts whatsoever (maybe 1 does) but you never bother pushing it or enquiring more or conversing with other people. You're not thinking critically about the game, you're throwing out names of people for lazy/low activity/no content and hoping something sticks.

On January 17 2017 23:13 Rels wrote:

I read your case. I talked about it. I feel the opposite. HF having "too many scumreads" and being lazy about them don't make him scum. I don't feel like he's faking it.

On January 17 2017 23:18 Vivax wrote:


So what if HF is mafia? Do you really put any weight whatsoever behind that vote on Damdred that doesn't say anything about either of them even if one flips?

And I don't know how you think mafia can't be pulling the strings somewhere, cause I was believing you were on the table for them, but posts like this do make me wonder.

The roll over reaction is contrary to what HF said not like town Damdred and is anyway, a very narrow perspective. The main point is still that Damdred doesn't seem to have any interest in scumhunting and the drive to solve the game is what differentiates town from mafia. Looking at a single reaction is mediocre at best.

On January 17 2017 23:22 Rels wrote:

This is such a convulated read to have.

On January 17 2017 23:27 Rels wrote:
But at the same time HF is voting Damdred just after that post. When he just criticized Hapa for scumreading Damdred without scumreading LS

Damdred there's a tonne to weigh up. Him being demotivated, not doing much and rolling over is normally what I consider town damdred to be. You may not know that but if you're town he's playing the exact same way you're criticising 3 (and include yourself) people for. What made him mafia over everyone else? Why ignore the LS meta read that damdred has never hard town read LS as mafia? Then there's also him just rolling with the thread/whatever I have said, ignoring his meta read on ls being wrong multiple times and the afk excuse that just pops up out of nowhere.

On January 17 2017 23:36 Vivax wrote:


Explain what? You are afraid that Damdred is HFs designated mislynch. How can you know for sure that HF isn't voting his scumbuddy off? Just, please don't use that method. It won't work with HF.

And using the thread direction as indicator for whether the main lynch is town is also very dangerous. I use this almost only in lylo and then it doesn't lead me to conclusions, only to trying to dig other reads up and scramble the game around a bit if I feel like mafia is about to win.

On January 17 2017 23:34 Rels wrote:

This never comes back. It's a kinda weird thing to think, but I could accept town!HF taking that into account for solving the game. BUT IT NEVER COMES BACK.
He votes Damdred after that.
He talks about Damdred without talking about LS:

It is the thing "he hates the most by far" and he's forgetting it afterwards.

On January 18 2017 01:23 Holyflare wrote:
ok i'm going to try something new

outline a few key points on why hapa is town for me
i'll outline a few on why he's mafia

we'll meet in the middle

On January 18 2017 01:44 Holyflare wrote:


what do you mean too lazy to give an accurate read? I can't access teamliquid at work and I don't have internet in my office the only reason I can play is because I take breaks in the top floor toilet and can only use tl hearthstone as a janky work around or like now where I've got home

I haven't read filters for like the past 8 games

maybe you have a higher opinion of the old me than the new me

but that doesn't make me mafia as many people have told you I can be lazy or I can be try hard

prove to me that I'm wrong my friend

On January 18 2017 01:50 Holyflare wrote:


if you care then link me your mafia games with a liquid hearthstone filter link please

On January 18 2017 01:59 Vivax wrote:
The thought just occurred to me that mafia isn't trying to lynch Damdred.

Hapa doesn't want to lynch Damdred.
Rels doesn't.
HF doesn't.

These are the guys I'm wondering about being scum mostly for the moment.

Nobody except me seems to do. I'm like an open arms invitation to a Damdred mislynch since any scummer will know I'm supporting it and will try to put as much weight as possible behind it.

And that's fishy.

And LS looks fishy too cause he simply isn't around.

On January 18 2017 02:06 Vivax wrote:


Why would you dislike it if it's obvious that mafia isn't pushing him, as I am the only one?

If HF is mafia and Damdred isn't, why is nobody besides me trying to bring more attention to Damdred?

HF himself not trying to deflect the lynch off himself onto Damdred looks townie at glance but I treat it as wifom.

On January 18 2017 02:20 Vivax wrote:


You're doing it for the third time I can count. You're ignoring new evidence.

So what you said earlier as if it had any meaning suddenly is all made up cause the guy you had an opinion on became an inactive coinflip cause reasons?

On January 18 2017 02:23 Vivax wrote:


How would that invalidate your former points?

On January 18 2017 02:24 Vivax wrote:
No shenannies. I didn't sign up to discuss shit for 48 hours and then throw it all away in 5 minutes

On January 18 2017 02:29 Vivax wrote:
Mafia is guaranteed to be on LS, just numerically.

Where's Hapa "oh shit the thread direction is wrong" now?

On January 18 2017 02:24 Vivax wrote:
No shenannies. I didn't sign up to discuss shit for 48 hours and then throw it all away in 5 minutes

On January 18 2017 02:36 Vivax wrote:


And you're trying to appeal to emotion

On January 18 2017 02:37 Holyflare wrote:
and hapa we need some real talk at some point because I did actually read your games and they are pretty shitty but they're all very old

I wanna talk through a lot.

On January 18 2017 02:33 Hapahauli wrote:



Explain this Vivax.

On January 18 2017 03:05 Vivax wrote:
And of course now they tried to play tag team with me and when Damdred even suggested that LS is scum they both snatched the opportunity to lynch him immediately after making cases on each other all day long.

Then Hapa tried to accuse me of being hypocritical in that regard. But I'm not, cause I did discuss Hapa and HF all day long. I didn't discuss LS at all, I only mentioned his absence being noticeable once, but I still wouldn't have lynched him off that single observation.

So I see no reason why I should see a Hapa lynch as shenannie, but not a LS one. I discussed Hapa and HF for 48 hours. I wasn't going to throw that away for a few minutes of induced paranoia.

On January 18 2017 00:52 Vivax wrote:
No lynching is catastrophical by the way. This game you will have to vote even if you don't believe that the possible wagon is the right one. Basically if you allow a no lynch to happen it's extremely anti town.

On January 18 2017 00:52 Vivax wrote:
No lynching is catastrophical by the way. This game you will have to vote even if you don't believe that the possible wagon is the right one. Basically if you allow a no lynch to happen it's extremely anti town.

On January 18 2017 00:52 Vivax wrote:
No lynching is catastrophical by the way. This game you will have to vote even if you don't believe that the possible wagon is the right one. Basically if you allow a no lynch to happen it's extremely anti town.

On January 18 2017 00:52 Vivax wrote:
No lynching is catastrophical by the way. This game you will have to vote even if you don't believe that the possible wagon is the right one. Basically if you allow a no lynch to happen it's extremely anti town.

On January 18 2017 03:14 Holyflare wrote:


Actually, no, I posted about the lightningstrike switch first after reading hapa's games because I became unsure. You say you spent 48 hours discussing hf/hapa but the entirety of the time it was you going for the lynch on me the last half of the cycle so you switching to hapa is NOT 48 hours of discussed time, it's almost 0.

Please, explain why you were keen to jump on hapa for that ONE post but when I delved and delivered 2-3 posts that were contradictory from LS you called us tools for switching?

On January 18 2017 03:28 Holyflare wrote:
but I told you it's completely characteristic of his town game and even explained I've had the same reservation beforehand in another game but then you went and meta read slam instead...? why?

On January 17 2017 23:34 Rels wrote:

This never comes back. It's a kinda weird thing to think, but I could accept town!HF taking that into account for solving the game. BUT IT NEVER COMES BACK.
He votes Damdred after that.
He talks about Damdred without talking about LS:

It is the thing "he hates the most by far" and he's forgetting it afterwards.

On January 18 2017 04:34 Holyflare wrote:
so let me try and break down this damdred thing so I can get into your head:

1. you thought damdred was scummy because he was sheeping everything I said
2. you thought damdred was scummy because he had no scum reads or posts that said anything
3. you thought damdred was a coin flip instead because he gave up
4. you thought damdred wasn't scummy because nobody was pushing anywhere else?
5. you jump to me being mafia because I posted a summary with no follow up

correct?

On January 16 2017 23:43 Holyflare wrote:
Waste of time tbh.

Hapa iffy
Slam iffy
Damdred still not vindicated but don't hate after seeing the light
Rels pending but didn't actually mind his posts
Vivax cool
Ls mediocre but his damdred lust seems legitimate for now so dunno what to make of it
Bm who?
Onegu iffy content promise into nothing

Shape up scrubs

On January 17 2017 05:08 Holyflare wrote:
I'm at a bit of an impasse because I think there could actually be too many scum :D

On January 17 2017 05:14 Holyflare wrote:
I'm really, really, really not a fan of LS since he's done shit all and then went on and on about how he NEEDED damdred's read on me/hapa to do anything and then just said fair enough and did absolutely nothing when damdred did post something relevant

then I hate that damdred/rels KEEP making these lazy meta ls reads that aren't even true and then when presented with new information that should update their reads they don't even bother looking into it or fact checking it and damdred is playing lazzyyyy

then I hate onegu's "catch up" but I don't know if that's extreme bias because I despise a million times over people that do page by page catch ups instead of just a summary but regardless his catch up that he's done so far is shit

then there's Hapa who is seemingly calling out Onegu/damdred and even voting Damdred for EXACTLY what he was criticised of doing (having no reads, not pushing much) but Hapa doesn't acknowledge that LS has said that Damdred has never hard town read LS as mafia damdred:



which I think I hate by far the most

On January 18 2017 04:47 Holyflare wrote:
all right hapa I'm gonna try a thing where I treat you like confirmed town and I hope you can do the same to me and I'll try and figure out the game from that perspective

it seems best because I don't handle criticism well

On January 18 2017 04:16 Holyflare wrote:
it's not just one game it's many damdred games

On January 18 2017 02:24 Vivax wrote:
No shenannies. I didn't sign up to discuss shit for 48 hours and then throw it all away in 5 minutes

On January 17 2017 12:32 Onegu wrote:



Rels is my biggest read right now. The call out on damdred seems really forced and fake. His read on me seemed fake. Then when called out on it he went from giving me a town read down into scummy would lynch pile.

Honestly I wouldnt lynch you or HF today. I normally stray away from trying to get a read on him early. Because when I do I am usually wrong but when we get to lylo and he is still around I can usually get a read on him either by does he have a reason to be alive and if he does have a reason does his shit make sense.

I would lynch you over him at this point and it hurts me to say this. Not really sure how between slams first posts and my vote on him did he do anything useful and yet you think he looks ok and my vote on him is scummy. But again I would prefer not to lynch you or holyflare day 1. I really believe trying to get reads on you day 1 are pointless.

I would never lynch Vivax. He is by far my top town at this point. He saw the same thing I saw about rels.

LS/Damdred I am fairly meh on. Really think rels is a much better lynch over them.

Also for rels calling out slam do something seemed like a way for him to try to gain town cred for calling out a player who wasnt doing much even though it is slam and he plays wilder than I do game from game. Rels knows this.

##Unvote

##Vote Rels

On January 18 2017 02:11 Onegu wrote:
Would let you lynch me over HF. I think he is a coin flip at best and the chance that he is town and wins it for me would give him mvp and me the second most points for saving him. Im willing to risk it.

On January 17 2017 02:03 Damdred wrote:


Sure you do if you read what I say

Town:

LS
Vivax
HF

Gut feeling:
Slam

not in any order

Null leaning:

Happa
Rels
Onegu
BM

I probably could move hapa to town if i really squinted but i'd rather him squirm under the ire of the storm.

On January 18 2017 05:54 Holyflare wrote:
oh my god

so everything I found you scummy for and you not evaluating damdred at all and him looking just like you but you scum reading him and you now think he's town for that exact reason???????????????????????????

On January 18 2017 06:01 Onegu wrote:
1) Yeah it talks about other things than my scum read so what. I still scum read rels and I gave my reasons for doing so. Why is it subjective?

2) I agreed with vivax and liked how he pointed the rels thing out. I still dont want to lynch him and think you are trying to force 2 town lynches.

3) Why is the timing weird and why does this even matter. I pointed out something I didnt like, who cares what the timing is. You want me to not point something out hapa? Also its not true. I wasnt much behind what I wrote that Vivax pointed out what I was talking about, and shortly after that Slam agreed with me.

The martyr post. You are wrong. It was just posted right before that Rels would lynch me if not HF. It was in response to that post that I would rather be lynched than HF.

On January 18 2017 00:58 Alakaslam wrote:
I have caught up and. Prices something earlier, that coupled with recent events makes Rels town.

I will invite-

However, if HF flips green we have to lynch Hapa. I think this is just a terrible idea day1.

But ultimately, I'd rather lose HF than Hapa. HF is not the best player here, he is the other of the greats.

I will not lynch him today. If you all do that fine, I will find who I think is scum.

On January 18 2017 01:12 Alakaslam wrote:

TBH I struggle to read Damdred. He was most active during a time when I was inactive, then left the site on my return.

I mostly read by meta tbh.the capability I have for logic other than on-the-spot is pretty time consuming, and I just don't have it.

On January 18 2017 01:13 Alakaslam wrote:
I would far rather lynch Damdred but in majority I have to compromise to get a lynch.

On January 18 2017 07:24 Vivax wrote:


Wrong, the town would still have lynched LS no matter whether my vote was on HF or you. My vote would have gone back to HF if nobody else agreed with me on your Damdred read progression making no sense.

And your personal attacks specifically directed at me were something with an entirely different purpose than me raging at the entire town, for example. You mixed them in between accusations while HF was also doing the same along with stating a lot of false facts, like me voting for LS. So I said, no thanks, peace out until I see if my townreads actually buy your junk.

On January 18 2017 07:33 Vivax wrote:


You are giving me the fault for lynching LS by saying this. How is it justified? What does my vote have to do with the entire town just going ham and lynching a guy it has never seriously put up for scum before?

LS said to lynch you, HF, and Damdred.
If the victim here didn't notice the most who was pulling the strings behind his lynch, who else? Rest of town just got cold feet and followed you and HF like a fucking herd with no discussion whatsoever involved.

And post lynch your suspicions on each other just seemed to vanish and both focus on the only guy who didn't fall for your bullshit with personal attacks and wrong statements and shit.

On January 18 2017 07:36 Vivax wrote:
And now I peace out again cause even thinking about it is driving more swearing into my posts.

On January 18 2017 07:46 Vivax wrote:
The reason is simple. One does not simply go from thinking he has a valid reason to suspect someone, to thinking he is a coinflip cause he stops posting. The other way around works, but not this way.

It's like when people catch me as mafia. If I actually bother I can appear townie early I believe most of the time, but when I fall off even for half a day I'm fucked and maybe I can buy one more day by putting in a binge effort.

But how do you actually manage to believe Damdred is suspicious for something, then make up reasons about thread direction when only HF and me were the other voters besides you in order to unvote him, THEN go on to call him a coinflip cause he stopped posting?

Let's say you're 100 % sure someone is mafia for something HE POSTED, then he says he has some important appointment and disappears. Who in a townie mind would then call it a coinflip?

But how do you actually manage to believe Damdred is suspicious for something, then make up reasons about thread direction when only HF and me were the other voters besides you in order to unvote him, THEN go on to call him a coinflip cause he stopped posting?

But how do you actually manage to believe Damdred is suspicious for something

then make up reasons about thread direction when only HF and me were the other voters besides you in order to unvote him

THEN go on to call him a coinflip cause he stopped posting?

There wasn't any new particular insight on Damdred that would show you reconsidered when you said he was a coinflip, otherwise it wouldn't be a coinflip.

On January 18 2017 12:20 Holyflare wrote:
For instance if we are both town and we were vivax's strategy of winning by lynching us back to back I wouldn't put it past him to be just as annoyed that we suddenly ask him questions instead of jumping all over each other again. It's a reactionary post, sure, but still follows his long term strategy.

On January 18 2017 00:58 Alakaslam wrote:
I have caught up and. Prices something earlier, that coupled with recent events makes Rels town.

I will invite-

However, if HF flips green we have to lynch Hapa. I think this is just a terrible idea day1.

But ultimately, I'd rather lose HF than Hapa. HF is not the best player here, he is the other of the greats.

I will not lynch him today. If you all do that fine, I will find who I think is scum.

On January 18 2017 01:03 Alakaslam wrote:

This is actually serious play. It's selfish to work within my own means rather than just sheep? Please tell me why; it would take far less effort to go "whoooo let's lynch HF"

Like isn't that what I'd usually do anyway? Your reaction is confusing me big time:

On January 18 2017 01:06 Alakaslam wrote:
The reason is that if Hapa is scum and he is lynching Holyflare, he will dominate. End of story.

But we would have to wait for him to survive night

I just realized this is more wifom then I had thought. Vivax is right.

Dammit I hate this situation so bad

On January 18 2017 01:08 Alakaslam wrote:

Aaand I forgot it was this type.

If HF is the only wagon, and needs a vote to be lynched, I will hammer.

On January 18 2017 01:12 Alakaslam wrote:

TBH I struggle to read Damdred. He was most active during a time when I was inactive, then left the site on my return.

I mostly read by meta tbh.the capability I have for logic other than on-the-spot is pretty time consuming, and I just don't have it.

On January 18 2017 01:13 Alakaslam wrote:
I would far rather lynch Damdred but in majority I have to compromise to get a lynch.

On January 19 2017 02:11 Bill Murray wrote:

if thats true, and slam's mafia, then HF/Rels/..i almost typed LS... are all town

obviously LS is town ... lol i just didnt know that 24 hours ago

On January 19 2017 03:05 Alakaslam wrote:

I am a late game player.

If you aren't willing to let me reach the late game to then be able to appropriately read anyone that is fine and foolish

Go for it but I'll have better time and reception after tomorrow.

On January 19 2017 04:31 Holyflare wrote:
misguided but towny

On January 19 2017 03:14 Hapahauli wrote:
You were clearly active EoD though?

Anyway more relevant question:
Why were you supporting a Damdred lynch EoD?

On January 18 2017 12:29 Holyflare wrote:


Well that's different. You only linked 2 posts before, pretty much the same as onegu but more waffle. Would lynch.

On January 19 2017 01:26 Rels wrote:
leaving work. I've said what I think. Only thing new is that HF seems prone to try and shitfight while claiming he wanna end the fight. Maybe.
See you tomorrow if I'm alive