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I don't know if vivax is mafia either but it seems the most likely
the thing is in this exact same hosted game (championship qualifier 1) someone made the same mistake and dumb telled himself town but he was a COMPLETE noob, I don't know if vivax took a dose of stupid fucking moron pills to think 1/3 of the game was mafia or not but yeah it's unlikely
I'm hovering around vivax/you/damdred with an outside possibility of someone random and yes you and vivax seems kind of dumb but is it?
I kind of like the cut of bm's jib at the moment and he seemed super up for hashing things out at deadline which I really liked.
I feel that if onegu was mafia he just joins the wagon on me and gets me out of the way because that's the easiest thing in the world to do but need to talk to him
slam is pretty much the same as above
I NEED to know why damdred said he'd be afk but then was totally around for deadline and then left again after doing absolutely nothing
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On January 18 2017 03:53 Hapahauli wrote:
The DA's office has no internet? The hell?
I don't work in the da's office since the uk doesn't even have a da
I work in a secure unit that isn't allowed internet for confidentiality reasons
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and it's in a basement so I can't even get phone signal -.- which we aren't even allowed inside technically anyway
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My opinion at this point is that anyone reading me as mafia is dumb. But I never said I was objective.
I feel like there should be enough information in the thread to draw more concrete conclusions about Slam/Onegu/BM/Damdred other than "i need to talk to them more".
I'll take your word on that similar town Damdred game to mean that his early D1 play was non-alignment indicative, but I'll need you to link that game to me sooner rather than later.
As for Vivax... on the one hand, I feel like it's a very attention drawing move and therefore is unlikely mafia. On the other hand, it's objectively such a huge pro-mafia move, and there are some contradictions I cannot make sense of from a town perspective. For example, him thinking you're confirmed mafia (currently), yet being happy moving his vote off you. T
I still hated how you played D1, and I think it was very pro mafia to just let a bunch of suspicions float out there. Vivax being standoffish answering questions doesn't mean much.
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I don't read filters any more I'm just a conversationalist
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it's not just one game it's many damdred games
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I didn't let suspicions float there, I made a summary of my thoughts at the end of the night that i got home and by the time I woke up you had already dropped damdred and cased me, it was bs?
then all hell broke loose
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That's dumb.
Before I start filter diving myself, I need to sort this out:
On January 17 2017 23:34 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2017 05:14 Holyflare wrote:then there's Hapa who is seemingly calling out Onegu/damdred and even voting Damdred for EXACTLY what he was criticised of doing (having no reads, not pushing much) but Hapa doesn't acknowledge that LS has said that Damdred has never hard town read LS as mafia damdred: On January 16 2017 23:04 LightningStrike wrote:On January 16 2017 23:01 Rels wrote:this is actually great info. Did Damdred ever hard townread you when he was scum and you were town ? Nope. which I think I hate by far the most This never comes back. It's a kinda weird thing to think, but I could accept town!HF taking that into account for solving the game. BUT IT NEVER COMES BACK. He votes Damdred after that. He talks about Damdred without talking about LS: Show nested quote +On January 17 2017 20:08 Holyflare wrote:
I voted damdred for all the reasons I outlined early in the game and never moved it off him. He hadn't done much since then and so leaving my vote on him wasn't a bad thing. Nothing has changed with Damdred to be honest but in my eyes I see equal (maybe leaning scummier) points for him being both mafia or town. It is the thing "he hates the most by far" and he's forgetting it afterwards.
1) Reading me as mafia for ignoring that "Damdred never reads LS as town when he's mafia" thing is pretty bleh. How does that even make me mafia? It's a very convoluted reason in the first place, since it doesn't preclude Damdred from just doing something new.
2) How do you vote Damdred in spite of this information, which suggests that you were reading Damdred as town for said wierd meta-information thing?
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I never mafia read you for just that and I'm not gonna explain myself for the eighth time. If you want you can just read my filter. I scum read you for complaining that there are no points in the thread to scum read people for while there being many points in the thread to scum read people for. Even the person you were voting at the time (damdred) you didn't use any in thread reasoning that other people had presented (you even literally just said you ignored me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) to sway your read one way or the other.
I don't put any weight (maybe a smidge) into other people's meta reads at all so it's only a modicum of weight in one direction but I at least acknowledge they are there, comment on them and dismiss them or accept them.
The problem I have with you hapa is that there's a seeming disconnect between what you're posting in the game and the information presented to you. To me it really, really looks like you're basically in the thread to post things but not to listen and that's why I have such a hard time thinking that you're town.
It's a hapa that is more interested with promoting himself and his posts than a hapa that is figuring out something, weighing up the chances and making an informed decision. <------- most important part of the entire thing to take away
I see all of your posts but not the thinking behind them and the steps that led you to the next part or the weighing up of facts.
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so let me try and break down this damdred thing so I can get into your head:
1. you thought damdred was scummy because he was sheeping everything I said
2. you thought damdred was scummy because he had no scum reads or posts that said anything
3. you thought damdred was a coin flip instead because he gave up
4. you thought damdred wasn't scummy because nobody was pushing anywhere else?
5. you jump to me being mafia because I posted a summary with no follow up
correct?
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and I realise I said I'm not going to explain myself again and then did
deal with it 
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onegu do you even have a town read on me? or are you literally not going to bother figuring things out?
or maf?
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I didn't realise there were so many do not lynch hf posts for real
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all right hapa I'm gonna try a thing where I treat you like confirmed town and I hope you can do the same to me and I'll try and figure out the game from that perspective
it seems best because I don't handle criticism well 
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and the thread was a giant shitfest yesterday
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On January 18 2017 04:34 Holyflare wrote:
so let me try and break down this damdred thing so I can get into your head:
1. you thought damdred was scummy because he was sheeping everything I said
2. you thought damdred was scummy because he had no scum reads or posts that said anything
3. you thought damdred was a coin flip instead because he gave up
4. you thought damdred wasn't scummy because nobody was pushing anywhere else?
5. you jump to me being mafia because I posted a summary with no follow up
correct?
This is how my mind was last night leading up to the case I posted on you.
1) I was reading Damdred as scummy because he was a non-entity. His reads seemed to shift based on what you were arguing at the time. In my head during this time is a waffle-fest between a) that I may as well push him to be mafia because something needs to be done in thread and b) overall, I was very sympathetic towards where his reads were because that "lost, I can't find reasons to scumread people" feeling is what I was feeling.
2) When I voted Damdred, I was in this "waffle." I felt that it was the best place for my vote in both pressure and not having a better place to put it.
3) When Damdred gets less active, I begin to get more coinflippy, and leaning more town. As I mentioned before, I expect more of a self-preservation instinct from mafia, and it didn't seem like Damdred had it.
4) Re-reading the thread last night, I was at a loss of what to do. There was no information in the thread, the level of discussion in the town was shit, and it seemed really off that so much suspicion would be piled on Damdred without a peep from the mafia team (if Damdred was mafia of course).
5) Re-reading the thread, I finally arrived at you. I wasn't planning on reading you very seriously until later in the game, because I thought the most reliable way to catch you was through the quality of your analysis and the objectives you were pushing. I arrived at these three posts:
On January 16 2017 23:43 Holyflare wrote:
Waste of time tbh.
Hapa iffy
Slam iffy
Damdred still not vindicated but don't hate after seeing the light
Rels pending but didn't actually mind his posts
Vivax cool
Ls mediocre but his damdred lust seems legitimate for now so dunno what to make of it
Bm who?
Onegu iffy content promise into nothing
Shape up scrubs
On January 17 2017 05:08 Holyflare wrote:
I'm at a bit of an impasse because I think there could actually be too many scum :D
On January 17 2017 05:14 Holyflare wrote:I'm really, really, really not a fan of LS since he's done shit all and then went on and on about how he NEEDED damdred's read on me/hapa to do anything and then just said fair enough and did absolutely nothing when damdred did post something relevant then I hate that damdred/rels KEEP making these lazy meta ls reads that aren't even true and then when presented with new information that should update their reads they don't even bother looking into it or fact checking it and damdred is playing lazzyyyy then I hate onegu's "catch up" but I don't know if that's extreme bias because I despise a million times over people that do page by page catch ups instead of just a summary but regardless his catch up that he's done so far is shit then there's Hapa who is seemingly calling out Onegu/damdred and even voting Damdred for EXACTLY what he was criticised of doing (having no reads, not pushing much) but Hapa doesn't acknowledge that LS has said that Damdred has never hard town read LS as mafia damdred: Show nested quote +On January 16 2017 23:04 LightningStrike wrote:On January 16 2017 23:01 Rels wrote:this is actually great info. Did Damdred ever hard townread you when he was scum and you were town ? Nope. which I think I hate by far the most
I can usually identify the alignment of more experienced players by how they think about the game. These three posts were suspicious to me, because it was the opposite of how I was thinking. I was having trouble finding mafia candidates. You were seemingly full of them.
The lists also read as an attempt to shovel suspicion at multiple players without taking any stances of your own. My conclusion was that I thought you were vocal, but you weren't taking any risks or sticking your neck out with your play. Ergo, a mafia archtype for a more experienced player.
I waffled on posting the case quite a bit, because I wasn't sure I could swing a lynch on you. Ultimately, I decided that it was going to be good for town discussion whether or not I could swing the lynch, and posted it.
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On January 18 2017 04:47 Holyflare wrote:all right hapa I'm gonna try a thing where I treat you like confirmed town and I hope you can do the same to me and I'll try and figure out the game from that perspective it seems best because I don't handle criticism well
I can't treat you as confirmed town, but I can take a fresh look at the game. At the end of the day, I made a Day 1 case on you in a super inactive town. Now, there's much more information to parse through.
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On January 18 2017 04:16 Holyflare wrote:
it's not just one game it's many damdred games
Can you link some of these?
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no I even tried to find them :D :D
I just remember after not playing for a long time, like a year, and coming back to one of my first games in a long time and damdred posting basically nothing and me going all hell bent on lynching him and him being sad/afking and being town.
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I was extremely lazy yesterday, yeah, but like about 4 ppl have said that's just me now
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