EPTLiquidmania Qualifier #2 - Page 49
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Hapahauli
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Hapahauli
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On January 18 2017 06:01 Onegu wrote: 1) Yeah it talks about other things than my scum read so what. I still scum read rels and I gave my reasons for doing so. Why is it subjective? Because whether you consider something "forced" or not is subjective, unless you explain why it isn't. There is no explanation. 2) I agreed with vivax and liked how he pointed the rels thing out. I still dont want to lynch him and think you are trying to force 2 town lynches. The point I'm trying to make, is that Vivax pointed something out that made no sense. And you latched onto it. 3) Why is the timing weird and why does this even matter. I pointed out something I didnt like, who cares what the timing is. You want me to not point something out hapa? Also its not true. I wasnt much behind what I wrote that Vivax pointed out what I was talking about, and shortly after that Slam agreed with me. Just an observation. The timing is a red flag in my mind, because I've seen it happen from mafia several times before. I don't expect you to have a good argument against it. Just an observation that wouldn't mean much if not for #1 and #2. The martyr post. You are wrong. It was just posted right before that Rels would lynch me if not HF. It was in response to that post that I would rather be lynched than HF. It doesn't matter who you posted it in response to. It is still martyr'y. It's one of those posts that makes you look like you're sticking your neck out, when you really aren't taking any risks at all. | ||
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Bill Murray
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On January 18 2017 03:11 Hapahauli wrote: This is the story Vivax is telling: 1) "No lynching is a disaster for town!" 2) "Alright, let's try to swing a last minute lynch on Hapa!" 3) "No one is following the wagon on Hapa... it's 5 minutes until EoD... don't lynch lightningstrike, don't throw away everything we did today!" 4) "HF and Hapa are obviously mafia for voting LS to prevent a no lynch." this is actually a really good point | ||
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Bill Murray
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On January 18 2017 06:21 Hapahauli wrote: BM, can you do me a favor? Quote some of my posts and ask Vivax to answer them. he seems like hes not going to | ||
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Hapahauli
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On January 18 2017 04:01 Holyflare wrote: I don't know if vivax is mafia either but it seems the most likely the thing is in this exact same hosted game (championship qualifier 1) someone made the same mistake and dumb telled himself town but he was a COMPLETE noob, I don't know if vivax took a dose of stupid fucking moron pills to think 1/3 of the game was mafia or not but yeah it's unlikely I'm hovering around vivax/you/damdred with an outside possibility of someone random and yes you and vivax seems kind of dumb but is it? I kind of like the cut of bm's jib at the moment and he seemed super up for hashing things out at deadline which I really liked. I feel that if onegu was mafia he just joins the wagon on me and gets me out of the way because that's the easiest thing in the world to do but need to talk to him slam is pretty much the same as above I NEED to know why damdred said he'd be afk but then was totally around for deadline and then left again after doing absolutely nothing well, i like you too, mister | ||
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Hapahauli
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Bill Murray
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He brings up some good points about the way town think, relating to the way Damdred himself is playing Also as per his "demotivated scum" line of thought/reasoning, I don't think it's that, as it's way too early for scum to be thinking like that (i would assume) | ||
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Bill Murray
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On January 18 2017 06:25 Hapahauli wrote: I knew I could count on Bill Murray. thank you yeah im about to give it a rest for the day too. i might come back to this later tonight. | ||
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Hapahauli
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When you get back, I'd like an explanation for this: 1) You take a pretty hard line that you don't want to lynch either myself or Holyflare. That's all fine. Notable is the bolded, where you say you're going to find your own scum-read. On January 18 2017 00:58 Alakaslam wrote: I have caught up and. Prices something earlier, that coupled with recent events makes Rels town. I will invite- However, if HF flips green we have to lynch Hapa. I think this is just a terrible idea day1. But ultimately, I'd rather lose HF than Hapa. HF is not the best player here, he is the other of the greats. I will not lynch him today. If you all do that fine, I will find who I think is scum. 2) You state that you struggle to read Damdred. On January 18 2017 01:12 Alakaslam wrote: TBH I struggle to read Damdred. He was most active during a time when I was inactive, then left the site on my return. I mostly read by meta tbh.the capability I have for logic other than on-the-spot is pretty time consuming, and I just don't have it. 3) You state that you still want to lynch Damdred anyway. On January 18 2017 01:13 Alakaslam wrote: I would far rather lynch Damdred but in majority I have to compromise to get a lynch. This sequence doesn't read like you're trying to find mafia. | ||
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Vivax
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On January 18 2017 06:25 Bill Murray wrote: ive never had my townread on someone flip so fast ... 3 mafia? the no lynch thing? him avoiding questions? maybe Rels was right Why should I answer the questions of people who are obviously trying to tilt me? If I did, you'd have a goddamn shitshow. No thanks. If somebody actually cares about anything they are free to ask me out of their own volition but Hapa and HF are lock scum for me and I'm not budging ever. Yes, I may be tunneled, but I do have my reasons. Linking not wanting to no lynch to not wanting to do shenannies is completely unfair for example. I still have no idea why LS even got lynched in the first place. You even saw yourself how I said that it's sad that we don't have more leverage right after I put down the vote on Hapa, what do you think my vote was for then if you look at the two facts together in that context? Do you really believe that I would have left it on Hapa if people didn't get onto him for what I was pointing out about his Damdred read not making sense? You are a real disappointment BM. Onegu saw through Hapa right away. | ||
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Vivax
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Hapahauli
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IF you think HF and I are mafia, why would you risk a no lynch to try to lynch me, if the alternative is HF (your other mafia read)? The progression from voting HF because you're convinced he is mafia, to voting me because you're convinced I'm mafia and risking a no lynch makes no sense. Why not just sit on HF? You could have not done anything the last 15 minutes of the cycle and lynched someone you are calling confirmed mafia. | ||
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Vivax
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On January 18 2017 07:17 Hapahauli wrote: Not trying to tilt you. Trying to get an answer for a very reasonable question. Yes I was worked up post lynch. Not anymore. IF you think HF and I are mafia, why would you risk a no lynch to try to lynch me, if the alternative is HF (your other mafia read)? The progression from voting HF because you're convinced he is mafia, to voting me because you're convinced I'm mafia and risking a no lynch makes no sense. Why not just sit on HF? You could have not done anything the last 15 minutes of the cycle and lynched someone you are calling confirmed mafia. Wrong, the town would still have lynched LS no matter whether my vote was on HF or you. My vote would have gone back to HF if nobody else agreed with me on your Damdred read progression making no sense. And your personal attacks specifically directed at me were something with an entirely different purpose than me raging at the entire town, for example. You mixed them in between accusations while HF was also doing the same along with stating a lot of false facts, like me voting for LS. So I said, no thanks, peace out until I see if my townreads actually buy your junk. | ||
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Hapahauli
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You answer them well, you prove yourself town, giving you more leverage to push your lynch on me and HF. What exactly is there to lose there? | ||
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Hapahauli
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On January 18 2017 07:24 Vivax wrote: Wrong, the town would still have lynched LS no matter whether my vote was on HF or you. My vote would have gone back to HF if nobody else agreed with me on your Damdred read progression making no sense. And your personal attacks specifically directed at me were something with an entirely different purpose than me raging at the entire town, for example. You mixed them in between accusations while HF was also doing the same along with stating a lot of false facts, like me voting for LS. So I said, no thanks, peace out until I see if my townreads actually buy your junk. Ok Damdred read progression. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/517873-liquidmania-qualifier-2?page=47#936 What's wrong with this explanation? You took my two reads on Damdred, which were made almost 24 hours apart. It should make sense that my read would change over that period of time, no? | ||
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Hapahauli
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Why not just sit tight on HF? HF would have died had you not moved to try to lynch me with 15 minutes to go. | ||
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Hapahauli
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"I think HF is mafia. But the BEST idea I can think of is to switch to another of my mafia reads with 15 minutes left to go..." does not make a lot of sense, considering the risk of the play. The risk of course, being what happened. | ||
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Vivax
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On January 18 2017 07:28 Hapahauli wrote: A follow up: Why not just sit tight on HF? HF would have died had you not moved to try to lynch me with 15 minutes to go. You are giving me the fault for lynching LS by saying this. How is it justified? What does my vote have to do with the entire town just going ham and lynching a guy it has never seriously put up for scum before? LS said to lynch you, HF, and Damdred. If the victim here didn't notice the most who was pulling the strings behind his lynch, who else? Rest of town just got cold feet and followed you and HF like a fucking herd with no discussion whatsoever involved. And post lynch your suspicions on each other just seemed to vanish and both focus on the only guy who didn't fall for your bullshit with personal attacks and wrong statements and shit. And this is why you can smear honey around my mouth all you want I'm never not lynching you and HF this game. | ||
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