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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
January 17 2017 23:25 GMT
#1001
you've shut me out and ignored me for the entirety of the second half of the cycle so nothing has changed but please make it so
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21977 Posts
January 17 2017 23:30 GMT
#1002
On January 18 2017 08:24 Holyflare wrote:
let me ask you this again vivax


Show nested quote +
Vivax why was ls a bad lynch and we're all tools?

Why did you jump right on the hapa train based on one contradiction but when ls had three pointed out in quick succession we're tools for switching?


and please don't whine and say we're blaming you with false facts, LS had multiple inconsistencies in his filter that were pushed and ultimately got him lynched, LS wasn't talked about no but neither was hapa being mafia by anyone but me

you say you don't even know the reason LS was lynched and state it was some meek damdred post which isn't true at all


Screw you, you tell me why LS was supposed mafia to you and Damdred cause it's your bum on the line. All in the thread I saw at the time was this, nothing about contradictions in it:

On January 18 2017 02:21 Damdred wrote:
Scrum ls detected


On January 18 2017 02:21 Holyflare wrote:
I will switch to ls just so I can torment hapa some more.


On January 18 2017 02:23 Damdred wrote:
Ls vote on hf is so bad and is scrum indicative of him I think, lure she do for no reason


On January 18 2017 02:24 Holyflare wrote:
##unvote
##vote ls


maybe a bit late but I read hapa's scum games :D


I already explained everything to Hapa about my vote on him and the reason for it so you're just asking for clutter.
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
January 17 2017 23:34 GMT
#1003
Gossamer i lost connection when trying to get to the vote thread

But it would not have mattered it seems.

What I wanted happened and it is little better. But yeah, never lynch greats day one.

Did we get any info from LS though? Like why did who lynch him?

I still have an incredibly slow conn, so please catch me up don't make me try to load all that shit until Wednesday night when I am in Denver
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
January 17 2017 23:35 GMT
#1004
Gossamer? That's what you get from God Damn it? Phone? When do I even talk about gossamer?
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21977 Posts
January 17 2017 23:35 GMT
#1005
I don't even know how these 4 posts including one that makes less sense than anything slam posted were able to sway the entire thread population within one or two minutes. Insert something about faith in humanity here.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21977 Posts
January 17 2017 23:37 GMT
#1006
And just to make it perfectly clear: My vote on Hapa wasn't just a pressure vote. I was sure he was scum for his coinflip statement on Damdred at the time.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
January 17 2017 23:54 GMT
#1007
On January 18 2017 02:07 Holyflare wrote:
Also I absolutely hate how nobody is talking about LS. (I guess my fault) BUT he's spent the entirety of the first 24 hours of the game doing nothing but waiting for damdred and then when damdred finally answered it's "oh, okay" and then just leaves again until the wagon on me starts and he has to vote somewhere at which point he states he has no idea how to read me.

Out of the fight of hapa/hf he even said it was hapa most likely mafia and hasn't commented on anything since but now it's the other way around.

On January 18 2017 02:09 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2017 02:08 Bill Murray wrote:
On January 18 2017 02:07 Holyflare wrote:
Also I absolutely hate how nobody is talking about LS. (I guess my fault) BUT he's spent the entirety of the first 24 hours of the game doing nothing but waiting for damdred and then when damdred finally answered it's "oh, okay" and then just leaves again until the wagon on me starts and he has to vote somewhere at which point he states he has no idea how to read me.

Out of the fight of hapa/hf he even said it was hapa most likely mafia and hasn't commented on anything since but now it's the other way around.

what do u mean its the other way around, now?


ls is voting me over hapa


On January 18 2017 02:11 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2017 02:10 LightningStrike wrote:
On mobile
On January 18 2017 02:07 Holyflare wrote:
Also I absolutely hate how nobody is talking about LS. (I guess my fault) BUT he's spent the entirety of the first 24 hours of the game doing nothing but waiting for damdred and then when damdred finally answered it's "oh, okay" and then just leaves again until the wagon on me starts and he has to vote somewhere at which point he states he has no idea how to read me.

Out of the fight of hapa/hf he even said it was hapa most likely mafia and hasn't commented on anything since but now it's the other way around.

I liked you plus vivax's case on HF when I caught up and I also noted how I thought hf was a little nitpicky on Damdred -.-


Which I dropped when I completely saw the points hapa made??? Explain why it was nitpicky LS.


On January 18 2017 02:12 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2017 02:10 Bill Murray wrote:
On January 18 2017 02:09 Holyflare wrote:
On January 18 2017 02:08 Bill Murray wrote:
On January 18 2017 02:07 Holyflare wrote:
Also I absolutely hate how nobody is talking about LS. (I guess my fault) BUT he's spent the entirety of the first 24 hours of the game doing nothing but waiting for damdred and then when damdred finally answered it's "oh, okay" and then just leaves again until the wagon on me starts and he has to vote somewhere at which point he states he has no idea how to read me.

Out of the fight of hapa/hf he even said it was hapa most likely mafia and hasn't commented on anything since but now it's the other way around.

what do u mean its the other way around, now?


ls is voting me over hapa

i took what ls said as he suspected u over hapa when he said it earlier was there a point he flip flopped on that because there was definitely a period he "wasnt sure who was the "s" in his T V S" he called between u two

Show nested quote +
On January 17 2017 01:15 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +

Town
Damdred: Meta and actions suggest more likely town than scum.
Vivax: He had good pressure on Hapa and then later pressuring Rels.
Null:
HF: Easily could do those stuff from both alignment.
Rels: Need more posts from him to get better read on him.
Slam: Need him to explain his Hapa read a bit more.
Onegu: Only made 2 posts need more posts from him period.
Hapa: Would be my scum in the fight between him and HF didn't like the way he had shut down HF's push on you. But is okay but still questionable


On January 18 2017 02:14 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2017 02:13 LightningStrike wrote:
On January 18 2017 02:11 Holyflare wrote:
On January 18 2017 02:10 LightningStrike wrote:
On mobile
On January 18 2017 02:07 Holyflare wrote:
Also I absolutely hate how nobody is talking about LS. (I guess my fault) BUT he's spent the entirety of the first 24 hours of the game doing nothing but waiting for damdred and then when damdred finally answered it's "oh, okay" and then just leaves again until the wagon on me starts and he has to vote somewhere at which point he states he has no idea how to read me.

Out of the fight of hapa/hf he even said it was hapa most likely mafia and hasn't commented on anything since but now it's the other way around.

I liked you plus vivax's case on HF when I caught up and I also noted how I thought hf was a little nitpicky on Damdred -.-


Which I dropped when I completely saw the points hapa made??? Explain why it was nitpicky LS.

You were picking tiny things from during a period that wouldn't make anyone scum.


you think a player that got caught in a lie is picking tiny things? when damdred even admitted himself it made him look bad?


On January 18 2017 02:15 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2017 02:14 Bill Murray wrote:
do you have ANY feelings on who you think his partner could be? youve tunneled him pretty hard who is he least interacting with, HF? [on hapa]


ls:

Show nested quote +
On January 17 2017 01:02 Hapahauli wrote:
On January 16 2017 05:39 Damdred wrote:
On January 16 2017 05:25 Hapahauli wrote:
On January 16 2017 05:16 Damdred wrote:
Here is the thing hapa I already have a pretty solid read on me currently. And that he is probably town at this point moving forward.

How did I get here? Why thank you for asking!

You see it starts with me having bad reasons that are correct. LS makes a meta point about my play and how I react to him, ( ie of I legit push him as scum and he flips town im scum as I read him like 100%). Town point.

States things that are clear as day at points even jokes. Town point (really lacks much of this as scum).

And seems to be able to give ok if not lower thought process on current events. So he's just town.

And that went on longer than I wanted


Okay.

Is this a case you would make on other townies, or is there something meta-specific here about LS? How confident is this read, scale of 1 to 10?



It's something meta specific to ls. He's incredibly lazy, isn't really confrontational and lays super low as scum.

He can get past these of his partner is someone he lives and pushed his buttons and rides him hard.

I would give it an 7-8 atm. Probably halfway through the day I can lock in depending. But some nice meta things on ls.


Damdred, update me on this. Right now, I'm seeing the bolded from LS.


never mentioned again


On January 18 2017 02:16 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2017 02:14 Rels wrote:
On January 18 2017 02:07 Holyflare wrote:
Also I absolutely hate how nobody is talking about LS. (I guess my fault) BUT he's spent the entirety of the first 24 hours of the game doing nothing but waiting for damdred and then when damdred finally answered it's "oh, okay" and then just leaves again until the wagon on me starts and he has to vote somewhere at which point he states he has no idea how to read me.

Out of the fight of hapa/hf he even said it was hapa most likely mafia and hasn't commented on anything since but now it's the other way around.

I think he always said he didn't like you over Hapa.


I literally linked a post where that's a lie. Please read.


On January 18 2017 02:21 Holyflare wrote:
I will switch to ls just so I can torment hapa some more.


On January 18 2017 02:28 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2017 02:26 LightningStrike wrote:
Lw: Lynch hapa or hf day 2 then lynch Damdred.


king of meta
wants to lynch damdred despite damdred never calling ls town as mafia
???
flips reads to vote whoever whenever??


On January 18 2017 02:29 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
Damdred: Meta and actions suggest more likely town than scum.


On January 18 2017 02:36 Holyflare wrote:
Vivax why was ls a bad lynch and we're all tools?

Why did you jump right on the hapa train based on one contradiction but when ls had three pointed out in quick succession we're tools for switching?

Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
January 17 2017 23:55 GMT
#1008
hardly four posts you lying twat head
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
January 18 2017 00:18 GMT
#1009
I never asked you why you voted hapa. I KNOW why you voted hapa and it was because of that ONE! contradiction (that's not so much of a contradiction upon reflection). I don't know why it's so hard for you to grasp my question at all.

LS had MULTIPLE REASONS to be lynched and there were MULTIPLE actual contradictions. Yet, when you came to the end of the lynch you didn't even want to acknowledge that LS was a good lynch for those, you called us all tools. It was a feeling directly similar to haunted mansion 3 where you went against the main wagon to be a hipster mafia.

So let me ask you AGAIN AND AGAIN. Why was LS a bad lynch and why were we tools? Why is hapa's one contradiction greater than multiple LS contradictions?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
January 18 2017 00:19 GMT
#1010
Although I have a feeling I already know the answer but I want to hear what you say without some kind of extra whine attached. I want clear, concise vivax that has no bs involved.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
January 18 2017 00:25 GMT
#1011
On January 18 2017 08:16 Hapahauli wrote:
I'm also pretty sure Vivax is town and I just went off the deep-end post lynch. Will give updates later.


and I am absolutely desperate to hear this
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
January 18 2017 00:27 GMT
#1012
On January 18 2017 07:28 Hapahauli wrote:
A follow up:

Why not just sit tight on HF? HF would have died had you not moved to try to lynch me with 15 minutes to go.

i think this is correct

in fact had you voted half the playerlist that wasnt hapa it may have actually created a real wagon

voting someone u know is scum doesnt matter if u cant convince anyone else, ace taught me that
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
January 18 2017 00:27 GMT
#1013
(above to vivax)
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
January 18 2017 00:31 GMT
#1014
new hapa non wallposting hapa and having a conversation hapa i like

please keep posting like this and dont go back to wallposting because this hapa i enjoy reading
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
January 18 2017 00:32 GMT
#1015
On January 18 2017 07:46 Vivax wrote:
The reason is simple. One does not simply go from thinking he has a valid reason to suspect someone, to thinking he is a coinflip cause he stops posting. The other way around works, but not this way.

It's like when people catch me as mafia. If I actually bother I can appear townie early I believe most of the time, but when I fall off even for half a day I'm fucked and maybe I can buy one more day by putting in a binge effort.

But how do you actually manage to believe Damdred is suspicious for something, then make up reasons about thread direction when only HF and me were the other voters besides you in order to unvote him, THEN go on to call him a coinflip cause he stopped posting?

Let's say you're 100 % sure someone is mafia for something HE POSTED, then he says he has some important appointment and disappears. Who in a townie mind would then call it a coinflip?


How do you go thinking this while simultaneously calling me mafia even though I've been talking about hapa's damdred read being bs for 24 hours?
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
January 18 2017 00:32 GMT
#1016
On January 18 2017 08:34 Alakaslam wrote:
Gossamer i lost connection when trying to get to the vote thread

But it would not have mattered it seems.

What I wanted happened and it is little better. But yeah, never lynch greats day one.

Did we get any info from LS though? Like why did who lynch him?

I still have an incredibly slow conn, so please catch me up don't make me try to load all that shit until Wednesday night when I am in Denver

i personally am happy that LS was lynched

dont care what he flipped

too much talk about him and damdred now we can focus

we still have a lynch even if scum try a weird play
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
January 18 2017 00:33 GMT
#1017
On January 18 2017 09:32 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2017 07:46 Vivax wrote:
The reason is simple. One does not simply go from thinking he has a valid reason to suspect someone, to thinking he is a coinflip cause he stops posting. The other way around works, but not this way.

It's like when people catch me as mafia. If I actually bother I can appear townie early I believe most of the time, but when I fall off even for half a day I'm fucked and maybe I can buy one more day by putting in a binge effort.

But how do you actually manage to believe Damdred is suspicious for something, then make up reasons about thread direction when only HF and me were the other voters besides you in order to unvote him, THEN go on to call him a coinflip cause he stopped posting?

Let's say you're 100 % sure someone is mafia for something HE POSTED, then he says he has some important appointment and disappears. Who in a townie mind would then call it a coinflip?


How do you go thinking this while simultaneously calling me mafia even though I've been talking about hapa's damdred read being bs for 24 hours?

hes all over the place man

im starting to think hes mafia

if hes town theres something off

i mean he thought there were 3 mafia? do you really believe that?

im honestly thinking its all a ploy and this is him faking like hes hurt and lying about what hes really thinking

(oh im town im gonna tunnel on these guys all game) but really hes throwing shit a few different directions

i dont know i had a strong townread on him but its evaporating
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
January 18 2017 00:34 GMT
#1018
i have my weekly DND game ill be on roll20 for a bit
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9642 Posts
January 18 2017 01:51 GMT
#1019
The night post has been updated with the final vote count. Please remember you must vote even if you unvoted you must vote for something you can vote for no lynch and yourself. Alakaslam has been warned for not voting.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 18 2017 02:21 GMT
#1020
Vivax is town because the idea that HF and Myself are a mafia team is so absurdly paranoid that mafia would never hold that opinion.

The emotions post-lynch check out very well with a confirmation-biased, tilted townie.

Now that I have an explanation for post-lynch, it makes sense. I hate the play, but I think Vivax legitimately did not understand the possible consequences of switching his vote when he did.
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