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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 18 2017 02:22 GMT
#1021
I actually want to lynch Slam btw.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/517873-liquidmania-qualifier-2?page=49#971
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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 18 2017 02:59 GMT
#1022
On January 18 2017 11:21 Hapahauli wrote:
Vivax is town because the idea that HF and Myself are a mafia team is so absurdly paranoid that mafia would never hold that opinion.

The emotions post-lynch check out very well with a confirmation-biased, tilted townie.

Now that I have an explanation for post-lynch, it makes sense. I hate the play, but I think Vivax legitimately did not understand the possible consequences of switching his vote when he did.


That's not outside his mafia range. I feel like every single read you make is flip flopping so incredibly much based on nothing I'm struggling to comprehend what your actual play is because it's certainly not figuring things out it's just jumping from statement to statement without even questioning if it's possible for that player to do.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 18 2017 02:59 GMT
#1023
But perhaps that's a towny thing to do I guess.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 18 2017 02:59 GMT
#1024
Feels artificial somehow though
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 18 2017 03:02 GMT
#1025
That's preeettty far out side mafia's range.

Slam. Go.
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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 18 2017 03:18 GMT
#1026
And like I said you're ignoring an individual's mafia range. Vivax isn't a bad player and yes he's tinfoily as town but he's just as easily replicated it as mafia.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 18 2017 03:20 GMT
#1027
For instance if we are both town and we were vivax's strategy of winning by lynching us back to back I wouldn't put it past him to be just as annoyed that we suddenly ask him questions instead of jumping all over each other again. It's a reactionary post, sure, but still follows his long term strategy.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 18 2017 03:21 GMT
#1028
I couldn't disagree more.

Talk about Slam. What do you make of the post I linked above?
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 18 2017 03:21 GMT
#1029
On January 18 2017 12:20 Holyflare wrote:
For instance if we are both town and we were vivax's strategy of winning by lynching us back to back I wouldn't put it past him to be just as annoyed that we suddenly ask him questions instead of jumping all over each other again. It's a reactionary post, sure, but still follows his long term strategy.


It's possible that it's a mafia strategy. But holy shit is that unlikely.
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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 18 2017 03:22 GMT
#1030
I also don't get your slam thing? He said he'd find his own mafia and then you linked 2 posts where he didn't but he already came back and said he had Internet issues at the time. How close to deadline was he posting?
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 18 2017 03:22 GMT
#1031
You seriously think Vivax decided as mafia to try to lynch us both back to back to win the game whatareyousmoking?
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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 18 2017 03:25 GMT
#1032
On January 18 2017 12:21 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2017 12:20 Holyflare wrote:
For instance if we are both town and we were vivax's strategy of winning by lynching us back to back I wouldn't put it past him to be just as annoyed that we suddenly ask him questions instead of jumping all over each other again. It's a reactionary post, sure, but still follows his long term strategy.


It's possible that it's a mafia strategy. But holy shit is that unlikely.


That's just like... your opinion man.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 18 2017 03:26 GMT
#1033
First post was 30 minutes out from deadline.

Next two posts were 15-10 or so.

Anyway here are the series of posts he has at deadline. Keep in mind the first post (particularly the underlined/bolded part) as you read the rest of it.
On January 18 2017 00:58 Alakaslam wrote:
I have caught up and. Prices something earlier, that coupled with recent events makes Rels town.

I will invite-

However, if HF flips green we have to lynch Hapa. I think this is just a terrible idea day1.

But ultimately, I'd rather lose HF than Hapa. HF is not the best player here, he is the other of the greats.

I will not lynch him today. If you all do that fine, I will find who I think is scum.

On January 18 2017 01:03 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2017 00:59 Vivax wrote:
On January 18 2017 00:58 Alakaslam wrote:
I have caught up and. Prices something earlier, that coupled with recent events makes Rels town.

I will invite-

However, if HF flips green we have to lynch Hapa. I think this is just a terrible idea day1.

But ultimately, I'd rather lose HF than Hapa. HF is not the best player here, he is the other of the greats.

I will not lynch him today. If you all do that fine, I will find who I think is scum.


That's nonsense. If HF flips green it doesn't automatically point you to another lynch.

Pretty selfish of you to act that way, too. Maybe remember others like to play this game more seriously than you do?

This is actually serious play. It's selfish to work within my own means rather than just sheep? Please tell me why; it would take far less effort to go "whoooo let's lynch HF"

Like isn't that what I'd usually do anyway? Your reaction is confusing me big time:

On January 18 2017 01:06 Alakaslam wrote:
The reason is that if Hapa is scum and he is lynching Holyflare, he will dominate. End of story.

But we would have to wait for him to survive night

I just realized this is more wifom then I had thought. Vivax is right.

Dammit I hate this situation so bad

On January 18 2017 01:08 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2017 01:05 Vivax wrote:
On January 18 2017 01:03 Alakaslam wrote:
On January 18 2017 00:59 Vivax wrote:
On January 18 2017 00:58 Alakaslam wrote:
I have caught up and. Prices something earlier, that coupled with recent events makes Rels town.

I will invite-

However, if HF flips green we have to lynch Hapa. I think this is just a terrible idea day1.

But ultimately, I'd rather lose HF than Hapa. HF is not the best player here, he is the other of the greats.

I will not lynch him today. If you all do that fine, I will find who I think is scum.


That's nonsense. If HF flips green it doesn't automatically point you to another lynch.

Pretty selfish of you to act that way, too. Maybe remember others like to play this game more seriously than you do?

This is actually serious play. It's selfish to work within my own means rather than just sheep? Please tell me why; it would take far less effort to go "whoooo let's lynch HF"

Like isn't that what I'd usually do anyway? Your reaction is confusing me big time:


It's selfish to risk a no lynch, is what I mean. You can scumhunt on your own disregarding our opinions all you like but please slam, don't let us slide into a no lynch. What you wrote sounds like you will waste your vote if it suits you.

Aaand I forgot it was this type.

If HF is the only wagon, and needs a vote to be lynched, I will hammer.

On January 18 2017 01:12 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2017 01:09 Vivax wrote:
On January 18 2017 01:06 Alakaslam wrote:
The reason is that if Hapa is scum and he is lynching Holyflare, he will dominate. End of story.

But we would have to wait for him to survive night

I just realized this is more wifom then I had thought. Vivax is right.

Dammit I hate this situation so bad


What do you think of Damdred? I think both him and HF have an equal shot at flipping mafia but I have to make compromises if we want to lynch, so right now I don't have a preference for HF, but others do.

TBH I struggle to read Damdred. He was most active during a time when I was inactive, then left the site on my return.

I mostly read by meta tbh.the capability I have for logic other than on-the-spot is pretty time consuming, and I just don't have it.

On January 18 2017 01:13 Alakaslam wrote:
I would far rather lynch Damdred but in majority I have to compromise to get a lynch.


He makes a bunch of posts, he's clearly active. Does it look to you like he's trying to find mafia (as he said he would early on)? He just waffles around, posts a bunch, does nothing, and arrives at the conclusion that he'd support a Damdred lynch despite having misgivings on Damdred.

That's not scumhunting.
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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 18 2017 03:27 GMT
#1034
On January 18 2017 12:22 Hapahauli wrote:
You seriously think Vivax decided as mafia to try to lynch us both back to back to win the game whatareyousmoking?


Yes? If I was in vivax's slot and I see town hf and hapa going ham at each other I'd get one lynched and say the other one must have been right and lynch them. It's basically a free back to back lynch. People lap that shit up on this site.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 18 2017 03:29 GMT
#1035
On January 18 2017 12:26 Hapahauli wrote:
First post was 30 minutes out from deadline.

Next two posts were 15-10 or so.

Anyway here are the series of posts he has at deadline. Keep in mind the first post (particularly the underlined/bolded part) as you read the rest of it.
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2017 00:58 Alakaslam wrote:
I have caught up and. Prices something earlier, that coupled with recent events makes Rels town.

I will invite-

However, if HF flips green we have to lynch Hapa. I think this is just a terrible idea day1.

But ultimately, I'd rather lose HF than Hapa. HF is not the best player here, he is the other of the greats.

I will not lynch him today. If you all do that fine, I will find who I think is scum.

Show nested quote +
On January 18 2017 01:03 Alakaslam wrote:
On January 18 2017 00:59 Vivax wrote:
On January 18 2017 00:58 Alakaslam wrote:
I have caught up and. Prices something earlier, that coupled with recent events makes Rels town.

I will invite-

However, if HF flips green we have to lynch Hapa. I think this is just a terrible idea day1.

But ultimately, I'd rather lose HF than Hapa. HF is not the best player here, he is the other of the greats.

I will not lynch him today. If you all do that fine, I will find who I think is scum.


That's nonsense. If HF flips green it doesn't automatically point you to another lynch.

Pretty selfish of you to act that way, too. Maybe remember others like to play this game more seriously than you do?

This is actually serious play. It's selfish to work within my own means rather than just sheep? Please tell me why; it would take far less effort to go "whoooo let's lynch HF"

Like isn't that what I'd usually do anyway? Your reaction is confusing me big time:

Show nested quote +
On January 18 2017 01:06 Alakaslam wrote:
The reason is that if Hapa is scum and he is lynching Holyflare, he will dominate. End of story.

But we would have to wait for him to survive night

I just realized this is more wifom then I had thought. Vivax is right.

Dammit I hate this situation so bad

Show nested quote +
On January 18 2017 01:08 Alakaslam wrote:
On January 18 2017 01:05 Vivax wrote:
On January 18 2017 01:03 Alakaslam wrote:
On January 18 2017 00:59 Vivax wrote:
On January 18 2017 00:58 Alakaslam wrote:
I have caught up and. Prices something earlier, that coupled with recent events makes Rels town.

I will invite-

However, if HF flips green we have to lynch Hapa. I think this is just a terrible idea day1.

But ultimately, I'd rather lose HF than Hapa. HF is not the best player here, he is the other of the greats.

I will not lynch him today. If you all do that fine, I will find who I think is scum.


That's nonsense. If HF flips green it doesn't automatically point you to another lynch.

Pretty selfish of you to act that way, too. Maybe remember others like to play this game more seriously than you do?

This is actually serious play. It's selfish to work within my own means rather than just sheep? Please tell me why; it would take far less effort to go "whoooo let's lynch HF"

Like isn't that what I'd usually do anyway? Your reaction is confusing me big time:


It's selfish to risk a no lynch, is what I mean. You can scumhunt on your own disregarding our opinions all you like but please slam, don't let us slide into a no lynch. What you wrote sounds like you will waste your vote if it suits you.

Aaand I forgot it was this type.

If HF is the only wagon, and needs a vote to be lynched, I will hammer.

Show nested quote +
On January 18 2017 01:12 Alakaslam wrote:
On January 18 2017 01:09 Vivax wrote:
On January 18 2017 01:06 Alakaslam wrote:
The reason is that if Hapa is scum and he is lynching Holyflare, he will dominate. End of story.

But we would have to wait for him to survive night

I just realized this is more wifom then I had thought. Vivax is right.

Dammit I hate this situation so bad


What do you think of Damdred? I think both him and HF have an equal shot at flipping mafia but I have to make compromises if we want to lynch, so right now I don't have a preference for HF, but others do.

TBH I struggle to read Damdred. He was most active during a time when I was inactive, then left the site on my return.

I mostly read by meta tbh.the capability I have for logic other than on-the-spot is pretty time consuming, and I just don't have it.

Show nested quote +
On January 18 2017 01:13 Alakaslam wrote:
I would far rather lynch Damdred but in majority I have to compromise to get a lynch.


He makes a bunch of posts, he's clearly active. Does it look to you like he's trying to find mafia (as he said he would early on)? He just waffles around, posts a bunch, does nothing, and arrives at the conclusion that he'd support a Damdred lynch despite having misgivings on Damdred.

That's not scumhunting.


Well that's different. You only linked 2 posts before, pretty much the same as onegu but more waffle. Would lynch.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 18 2017 03:32 GMT
#1036
On January 18 2017 05:24 Holyflare wrote:
hapa if mafia is damdred + x and damdred legitimately had to go then why is it suspicious that other people were talking about damdred? there's pretty much only one other person that could have done that at the time (slam was your other scum read) and can you see slam changing anyone's mind about anything?


Full circle
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 18 2017 03:32 GMT
#1037
Should read "there's only one other mafia partner that could change the lynch from damdred"
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 18 2017 11:02 GMT
#1038
game is like 3/4+ americans and not one of you said anything since I left?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22106 Posts
January 18 2017 11:25 GMT
#1039
I'm stuck between deciding on Rels being sloppy townie or mafia. The "stayed at work to see flip" reads townie to me, but so far I could count three times where he didn't notice new information in the thread. Also huge lack of paranoia on HF.

On January 18 2017 02:26 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2017 02:26 LightningStrike wrote:
Lw: Lynch hapa or hf day 2 then lynch Damdred.

WAIT I THOUGHT DAMDRED WAS CONF SCUM IF HE DIDNT CALL YOU TOWN


And this post for example is hard to make sense of cause LS is saying to lynch Damdred in it.

But it's one of the reasons for him to support LS lynch.

On January 18 2017 02:27 Rels wrote:
OK Thats cool I think we're hitting scum. Dunno why LS wouldn't want to lynch Damdred D2

Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 18 2017 11:36 GMT
#1040
because LS would want to lynch confirmed scum first I presume
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