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Vivax
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On January 18 2017 07:33 Vivax wrote: You are giving me the fault for lynching LS by saying this. How is it justified? What does my vote have to do with the entire town just going ham and lynching a guy it has never seriously put up for scum before? I'm blaming you for not lynching HF, not for lynching LS. You can call them the same thing if you like. If the guy you think is mafia is set to be lynched, why switch off of him? I think this is a very reasonable question. You should have been very happy with how the game was going with HF on the block, and for some reason you decided to change it. I do not understand that reason and I'm trying to figure it out. LS said to lynch you, HF, and Damdred. If the victim here didn't notice the most who was pulling the strings behind his lynch, who else? Rest of town just got cold feet and followed you and HF like a fucking herd with no discussion whatsoever involved. Listening to the reads of a dead townie isn't scumhunting. LS being confirmed town does not mean he's confirmed right. Look at the game from my perspective. With 5 minutes to go, the HF wagon falls apart. You are voting me with Damdred and it isn't going anywhere. I see a bunch of quick votes go on LS. You never communicated that you were willing to go switch back to Holyflare. And the backdrop to all of this: a no lynch is a disaster for town. What else do I do here? My only option for town to avoid a no lynch is to lynch LS. I hated every second of it, but it was my only option. And post lynch your suspicions on each other just seemed to vanish and both focus on the only guy who didn't fall for your bullshit with personal attacks and wrong statements and shit. If the lynch guy you were pushing for mafia all of yesterday fell apart in 15 minutes, wouldn't you be angry? Also, point out exactly what I said in my post-lynch rants that are factually wrong. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On January 18 2017 07:36 Vivax wrote: And now I peace out again cause even thinking about it is driving more swearing into my posts. Oh come on. This is a perfectly calm conversation. Hell if you think I am mafia, why are you angry? | ||
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Vivax
22080 Posts
It's like when people catch me as mafia. If I actually bother I can appear townie early I believe most of the time, but when I fall off even for half a day I'm fucked and maybe I can buy one more day by putting in a binge effort. But how do you actually manage to believe Damdred is suspicious for something, then make up reasons about thread direction when only HF and me were the other voters besides you in order to unvote him, THEN go on to call him a coinflip cause he stopped posting? Let's say you're 100 % sure someone is mafia for something HE POSTED, then he says he has some important appointment and disappears. Who in a townie mind would then call it a coinflip? | ||
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Vivax
22080 Posts
So you had at least something and yet at the end of the day it was only meaningless cause?Damdred stopped posting. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On January 18 2017 07:46 Vivax wrote: The reason is simple. One does not simply go from thinking he has a valid reason to suspect someone, to thinking he is a coinflip cause he stops posting. The other way around works, but not this way. It's like when people catch me as mafia. If I actually bother I can appear townie early I believe most of the time, but when I fall off even for half a day I'm fucked and maybe I can buy one more day by putting in a binge effort. But how do you actually manage to believe Damdred is suspicious for something, then make up reasons about thread direction when only HF and me were the other voters besides you in order to unvote him, THEN go on to call him a coinflip cause he stopped posting? Let's say you're 100 % sure someone is mafia for something HE POSTED, then he says he has some important appointment and disappears. Who in a townie mind would then call it a coinflip? Because I am capable of stepping back from the thread, re-reading, and reaching new conclusions from the same information. It is silly to make up your mind about what something means right away, and literally never reconsider it. | ||
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Hapahauli
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Vivax
22080 Posts
On January 18 2017 07:49 Hapahauli wrote: Because I am capable of stepping back from the thread, re-reading, and reaching new conclusions from the same information. It is silly to make up your mind about what something means right away, and literally never reconsider it. No you didn't reread or reconsider anything. You acted as if somebody stopped posting altogether his reasons for being mafia you formerly mentioned would disappear along with him. | ||
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Vivax
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
But how do you actually manage to believe Damdred is suspicious for something, then make up reasons about thread direction when only HF and me were the other voters besides you in order to unvote him, THEN go on to call him a coinflip cause he stopped posting? I want to break this down in particular. But how do you actually manage to believe Damdred is suspicious for something As I posted a few hours ago, my first read of Damdred's AFK behavior was that he was suspicious for being a non-entity. Also a large motive for my vote here was that I had no better place for it. then make up reasons about thread direction when only HF and me were the other voters besides you in order to unvote him Because the "thread sentiment" stuff were a large part of my reasons. The Damdred wagon didn't seem right. That feeling was what encouraged me to re-read and place my vote on Holyflare. THEN go on to call him a coinflip cause he stopped posting? The inactivity is new information! It is confirmation and supports the story that he did not have time to play and concurrently felt lost, which led me to believe it was a "coinflip" lynch. I use "coinflip" as a generic term for lurker lynches. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
When Damdred's posting is lackluster on early D1, I read it as scummy. AT this point, I'm not really buying his inactivity excuse, and he's behaving like a "non-entity" Damdred's continued activity was additional information that made me buy his inactivity excuse. It did not make a lot of sense for "mafia-Damdred" to put up as little of a fight defending himself as he did. Or at the very least, it gave me considerable pause lynching him. Hence "coinflip". | ||
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Hapahauli
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Hapahauli
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Then he just stopped. This paints his defense in a much different picture. When you take away the assumption that he would post more, his defense really lacks self-preservation instinct and is more townie. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
There wasn't any new particular insight on Damdred that would show you reconsidered when you said he was a coinflip, otherwise it wouldn't be a coinflip. Last thing Vivax. My priority at the end of this day was "LYNCH HOLYFLARE" not "I need to make sure my read on Damdred was perfectly documented and publicly consistent." I definitely could have explained my read on Damdred much better at the time. But I lost track of my thought in the chaos. I don't think that makes me mafia. | ||
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Vivax
22080 Posts
You should have been very happy with how the game was going with HF on the block, and for some reason you decided to change it. I do not understand that reason and I'm trying to figure it out. There's something called context. You might have noticed I don't always vote here when I vote in the voting thread. It's cause voting in the game thread is just another tool for communicating something and entirely optional. And when I found that tidbit about Damdred on you, and it went unnoticed all the time. I voted you to draw attention to it in the heat of the days last minutes, hoping that others would see my point and discuss it, at the very least. As evidenced by what I said at the time when BM was the first to notice it: On January 18 2017 02:19 Vivax wrote: Not unlikely. What this game currently lacks is leverage. We don't really have a club of votes to swing at new content cause Slam and 1gu aren't here. If sufficient people didn't agree with me, but at least took notice of it or discussed it. I would have gone back to HF instead of no lynching. What I saw happening instead was some timid post by Damdred, some post by HF about LS. Can't even remember what you said about it. But anyway I immediately advised against it cause I didn't spend 48 hours of playing the best I can for some bullshit lynch on classic lynchbait which still drives me insane cause it was total collective failure. And then? Quick look at the voting thread and I knew that LS was toast. I don't see how I could have done more yelling than that anyways. And avoiding a no lynch within minutes even if I wanted to? Why should I put up with doing things within the range of seconds when I've been in the thread for several hours before that trying to pile people onto HF with that argumentation. | ||
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Hapahauli
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Vivax
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Vivax
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
Vivax why was ls a bad lynch and we're all tools? Why did you jump right on the hapa train based on one contradiction but when ls had three pointed out in quick succession we're tools for switching? and please don't whine and say we're blaming you with false facts, LS had multiple inconsistencies in his filter that were pushed and ultimately got him lynched, LS wasn't talked about no but neither was hapa being mafia by anyone but me you say you don't even know the reason LS was lynched and state it was some meek damdred post which isn't true at all | ||
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