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On January 17 2017 01:03 Holyflare wrote:
Ok we're definitely in a different game if you think hapa is conf town. Your read on me is also totally different to last game. Last game you gave me advice and picked an alignment whereas this game you're leaving me open to interpretation.
What's different about this game and that?
On January 17 2017 01:03 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2017 00:58 Alakaslam wrote:On January 16 2017 21:39 Rels wrote:
Slam any feelings about the game ? Ya! HF is looking like a badass by running around discrediting people till he lynches them, and if they was town it's their fault for being bad, if scum it is because he is badass Hapa running around being high tier, and generally sheepable and conftown IMSO. Damdred and LS saying stuff that I think people putting too much stock in, u coming in here and being generally wise but also making too much of HF and Hapa, with regard to H8 HF just because he sez stuff that is aggro OK. Hapa being sheepable and conftown is not true. He spent the majority of his time talking about stuff that didn't advance the game further. His stuff where he calls people town or scum are obvious surface things that do'nt make people town or scum
say this game is an ocean wave
game meta /\ thread sentiment
rels and HF both are on the wrong side of the wave here - theyre on the game meta side - when thread sentiment towards Hapa being conftown was swelling in most readership/jury/VT/whatever
thats likely why they both garnered wagons
On January 17 2017 01:03 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2017 00:58 Alakaslam wrote:On January 16 2017 21:39 Rels wrote:
Slam any feelings about the game ? Ya! HF is looking like a badass by running around discrediting people till he lynches them, and if they was town it's their fault for being bad, if scum it is because he is badass Hapa running around being high tier, and generally sheepable and conftown IMSO.Damdred and LS saying stuff that I think people putting too much stock in, u coming in here and being generally wise but also making too much of HF and Hapa, with regard to H8 HF just because he sez stuff that is aggro How am I sheepable when the only public read I've stuck with is a town read on Vivax?
i wouldnt call you sheepable but i do read both you and vivax as town [as per your read]
On January 17 2017 01:07 Hapahauli wrote:
Waitwaitwaitwait dont' leave now.
Why are you reading me as town? Because that's the opposite conclusion that everyone else has reached. I've had a pretty awkward start to Day 1 so far, and the "Hapa conf town" thing is as if you didn't read the thread and already know my alignment.
"the best offense is a good defense"
On January 17 2017 01:12 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2017 01:11 Alakaslam wrote:On January 17 2017 01:10 Rels wrote:On January 17 2017 01:07 Alakaslam wrote:On January 17 2017 01:03 Hapahauli wrote:On January 17 2017 00:58 Alakaslam wrote:On January 16 2017 21:39 Rels wrote:
Slam any feelings about the game ? Ya! HF is looking like a badass by running around discrediting people till he lynches them, and if they was town it's their fault for being bad, if scum it is because he is badass Hapa running around being high tier, and generally sheepable and conftown IMSO.Damdred and LS saying stuff that I think people putting too much stock in, u coming in here and being generally wise but also making too much of HF and Hapa, with regard to H8 HF just because he sez stuff that is aggro How am I sheepable when the only public read I've stuck with is a town read on Vivax? Because for once, you are someone who has used reason over emotion here. What do you mean by "for once" ? I mean for the first time I have observed on this site since my returning. Hi slam, brown is the color of the earth and something we all must cherish and love. Is the color green as important as brown to you? as it is the color of life and growth?
it's the color of money. cha-ching.
On January 17 2017 01:15 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2017 01:11 Damdred wrote:On January 17 2017 01:09 LightningStrike wrote:
Also Idk why think Slam thinks Hapa is confirmed town already when he clearly isn't. LS  what are your reads? Town Damdred: Meta and actions suggest more likely town than scum. Vivax: He had good pressure on Hapa and then later pressuring Rels. Null: HF: Easily could do those stuff from both alignment. Rels: Need more posts from him to get better read on him. Slam: Need him to explain his Hapa read a bit more. Onegu: Only made 2 posts need more posts from him period. Hapa: Would be my scum in the fight between him and HF didn't like the way he had shut down HF's push on you. But is okay but still questionable.
are you trolling? i feel like youre pushing hapa just to be pushing hapa
On January 17 2017 01:17 LightningStrike wrote:
Could move Hapa more of a scumread than null but only a slight lean though.
what? can you rephrase this?
On January 17 2017 01:20 Rels wrote:
Slam, your reason to call Hapa conf town is horrible. It doesn't make sense. Even in the weird way you post. Actually, especially with the weird way you post. Someone using logic doesn't mean they're town. That's actually the opposite
can you ellaborate on this? thanks
On January 17 2017 01:23 Rels wrote:
Vivax you are fucking dumb. Reread everything. Then if it's not clear I'll do a post by post defense where I'll explain exactly what's my LS read. But that is so useless that I don't want to waste time doing that. The basic is that I ddin't find LS scummy when I read that Damred post, then I found LS scummy when I finished reading the thread. The end.
hey now drop the ad hominem
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On January 17 2017 01:30 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2017 01:28 Vivax wrote:On January 17 2017 01:23 Rels wrote:
Vivax you are fucking dumb. Reread everything. Then if it's not clear I'll do a post by post defense where I'll explain exactly what's my LS read. But that is so useless that I don't want to waste time doing that. The basic is that I ddin't find LS scummy when I read that Damred post, then I found LS scummy when I finished reading the thread. The end. Give me a break dude. If you post stuff as you catch on while having a conversation then one never has an idea if you're changing opinion cause you're being confronted with accusations or cause you're absorbing new content. But then it's your fault for posting too early not mine for finding it scummy. I also reserve the right to lynch you without being called fucking dumb. I don't have any beef with you I just think you're not being townie. Well now that you know the fucking facts you can stop being a pain in the ass
wow ... calm down... nobody likes this or needs this in this thread
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HF I read the post where you talk from your perspective but found it to miss my point. The point I made was that you replied to Hapa that he was supposed to update his opinion based on that Damdred/LS meta. Yet the update would only be feasible if Damdred is actually mafia, which you shouldn't know and don't believe.
And not only that, Hapa didn't have any beef with the read itself, just that it was the only read he could find. So you also missed the point there.
And I can name a difference between Damdred and Hapa. While you seem so intent on underlining that they both seem lost, the difference is that one tried to do something about it and the other didn't.
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On January 18 2017 01:36 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2017 01:03 Holyflare wrote:
Ok we're definitely in a different game if you think hapa is conf town. Your read on me is also totally different to last game. Last game you gave me advice and picked an alignment whereas this game you're leaving me open to interpretation.
What's different about this game and that? Show nested quote +On January 17 2017 01:03 Rels wrote:On January 17 2017 00:58 Alakaslam wrote:On January 16 2017 21:39 Rels wrote:
Slam any feelings about the game ? Ya! HF is looking like a badass by running around discrediting people till he lynches them, and if they was town it's their fault for being bad, if scum it is because he is badass Hapa running around being high tier, and generally sheepable and conftown IMSO. Damdred and LS saying stuff that I think people putting too much stock in, u coming in here and being generally wise but also making too much of HF and Hapa, with regard to H8 HF just because he sez stuff that is aggro OK. Hapa being sheepable and conftown is not true. He spent the majority of his time talking about stuff that didn't advance the game further. His stuff where he calls people town or scum are obvious surface things that do'nt make people town or scum say this game is an ocean wave game meta /\ thread sentiment rels and HF both are on the wrong side of the wave here - theyre on the game meta side - when thread sentiment towards Hapa being conftown was swelling in most readership/jury/VT/whatever thats likely why they both garnered wagons Show nested quote +On January 17 2017 01:03 Hapahauli wrote:On January 17 2017 00:58 Alakaslam wrote:On January 16 2017 21:39 Rels wrote:
Slam any feelings about the game ? Ya! HF is looking like a badass by running around discrediting people till he lynches them, and if they was town it's their fault for being bad, if scum it is because he is badass Hapa running around being high tier, and generally sheepable and conftown IMSO.Damdred and LS saying stuff that I think people putting too much stock in, u coming in here and being generally wise but also making too much of HF and Hapa, with regard to H8 HF just because he sez stuff that is aggro How am I sheepable when the only public read I've stuck with is a town read on Vivax? i wouldnt call you sheepable but i do read both you and vivax as town [as per your read] Show nested quote +On January 17 2017 01:07 Hapahauli wrote:
Waitwaitwaitwait dont' leave now.
Why are you reading me as town? Because that's the opposite conclusion that everyone else has reached. I've had a pretty awkward start to Day 1 so far, and the "Hapa conf town" thing is as if you didn't read the thread and already know my alignment. "the best offense is a good defense" Show nested quote +On January 17 2017 01:12 Damdred wrote:On January 17 2017 01:11 Alakaslam wrote:On January 17 2017 01:10 Rels wrote:On January 17 2017 01:07 Alakaslam wrote:On January 17 2017 01:03 Hapahauli wrote:On January 17 2017 00:58 Alakaslam wrote:On January 16 2017 21:39 Rels wrote:
Slam any feelings about the game ? Ya! HF is looking like a badass by running around discrediting people till he lynches them, and if they was town it's their fault for being bad, if scum it is because he is badass Hapa running around being high tier, and generally sheepable and conftown IMSO.Damdred and LS saying stuff that I think people putting too much stock in, u coming in here and being generally wise but also making too much of HF and Hapa, with regard to H8 HF just because he sez stuff that is aggro How am I sheepable when the only public read I've stuck with is a town read on Vivax? Because for once, you are someone who has used reason over emotion here. What do you mean by "for once" ? I mean for the first time I have observed on this site since my returning. Hi slam, brown is the color of the earth and something we all must cherish and love. Is the color green as important as brown to you? as it is the color of life and growth? it's the color of money. cha-ching. Show nested quote +On January 17 2017 01:15 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2017 01:11 Damdred wrote:On January 17 2017 01:09 LightningStrike wrote:
Also Idk why think Slam thinks Hapa is confirmed town already when he clearly isn't. LS what are your reads? Town Damdred: Meta and actions suggest more likely town than scum. Vivax: He had good pressure on Hapa and then later pressuring Rels. Null: HF: Easily could do those stuff from both alignment. Rels: Need more posts from him to get better read on him. Slam: Need him to explain his Hapa read a bit more. Onegu: Only made 2 posts need more posts from him period. Hapa: Would be my scum in the fight between him and HF didn't like the way he had shut down HF's push on you. But is okay but still questionable. are you trolling? i feel like youre pushing hapa just to be pushing hapa Show nested quote +On January 17 2017 01:17 LightningStrike wrote:
Could move Hapa more of a scumread than null but only a slight lean though. what? can you rephrase this? Show nested quote +On January 17 2017 01:20 Rels wrote:
Slam, your reason to call Hapa conf town is horrible. It doesn't make sense. Even in the weird way you post. Actually, especially with the weird way you post. Someone using logic doesn't mean they're town. That's actually the opposite can you ellaborate on this? thanks Show nested quote +On January 17 2017 01:23 Rels wrote:
Vivax you are fucking dumb. Reread everything. Then if it's not clear I'll do a post by post defense where I'll explain exactly what's my LS read. But that is so useless that I don't want to waste time doing that. The basic is that I ddin't find LS scummy when I read that Damred post, then I found LS scummy when I finished reading the thread. The end. hey now drop the ad hominem
Rephrase: Was my biggest potential scumread at that time even though i had him null you could move him to scum on my list at that time.
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On January 17 2017 02:18 Alakaslam wrote:
I am very much looking forward to Bill Murray
<3
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I don't care about the meta, I don't care about damdred, I care that hapahauli, a good player of mafia, says that he's lost but never comments on any of these relevant points about the player he is scum reading the most
The problem I have hapa is this:
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ok thanks ls i thought was opposite but that makes more sense thx
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r u calling him boring hf?
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On January 18 2017 01:36 Hapahauli wrote:
If you're going to be too lazy to give an accurate read on me, then you're mafia and you should die.
what do you mean too lazy to give an accurate read? I can't access teamliquid at work and I don't have internet in my office the only reason I can play is because I take breaks in the top floor toilet and can only use tl hearthstone as a janky work around or like now where I've got home
I haven't read filters for like the past 8 games
maybe you have a higher opinion of the old me than the new me
but that doesn't make me mafia as many people have told you I can be lazy or I can be try hard
prove to me that I'm wrong my friend
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On January 18 2017 01:41 Bill Murray wrote:
r u calling him boring hf?
he types a lot of stuff in the thread but none of it contains thought because there's nothing happening in his head that I can see
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Sigh who are we lynching? I dont want to lynch HF. But I will hammer if I have to but really really dont want to.
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On January 18 2017 01:44 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2017 01:36 Hapahauli wrote:
If you're going to be too lazy to give an accurate read on me, then you're mafia and you should die. what do you mean too lazy to give an accurate read? I can't access teamliquid at work and I don't have internet in my office the only reason I can play is because I take breaks in the top floor toilet and can only use tl hearthstone as a janky work around or like now where I've got home I haven't read filters for like the past 8 games maybe you have a higher opinion of the old me than the new me but that doesn't make me mafia as many people have told you I can be lazy or I can be try hard prove to me that I'm wrong my friend
I definitely have a higher opinion of you. However I think even lazy-town HF would have looked much much different than what you're doign.
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On January 17 2017 10:47 Hapahauli wrote:
I can already tell you what's going to happen today: town will lynch down the path of least resistance. Unless the mafia team is something completely fucking useless like some combination BM/Onegu/Damdred, it's very clear that nothing is being pushed aggressively to derail town, and that town is just hanging itself.
##Unvote while I re-read again for the whateverth time.
id like to say that ive had a stellar history as playing as mafia in small games on this site
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On January 18 2017 01:39 Vivax wrote:
HF I read the post where you talk from your perspective but found it to miss my point. The point I made was that you replied to Hapa that he was supposed to update his opinion based on that Damdred/LS meta. Yet the update would only be feasible if Damdred is actually mafia, which you shouldn't know and don't believe.
And not only that, Hapa didn't have any beef with the read itself, just that it was the only read he could find. So you also missed the point there.
And I can name a difference between Damdred and Hapa. While you seem so intent on underlining that they both seem lost, the difference is that one tried to do something about it and the other didn't.
the damdred/ls point is more than just the point itself it represents the thread as a whole and hapa not updating his read based on any other point in the thread about damdred or even acknowledging them (why didn't he bring up that I said that damdred's meta of ls was wrong for instance and that damdred has done nothing about it? why hasn't he mentioned anything about damdred's meta when he randomly metad slam?)
and no from your perspective where you think this that would make damdred TOWN.
if I think hapa should update his read solely based on the meta point (I don't) then that would mean the meta point is legitimate and damdred is town. I honestly don't get what you're even trying to say though.
And, no, two different people that have different playstyles doing things that their play styles do doesn't make each one an alignment. Hapa is known to type words and damdred is known to do nothing. It doesn't make each one doing their respective trait an alignment.
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On January 17 2017 10:45 Hapahauli wrote:
Alright this Day 1 is the pits. I can't remember a game I've ever played where I've struggled to find something to even post. No matter how much I look back over the thread, I end up at Damdred and Onegu, whilst praying that Bill Murray gets mod-killed.
It's almost 9 and Damdred isn't back and still hasn't done anything. I guess I could feel good lynching him based on the uselessness. But it isn't satisfying by any means. It doesn't feel like something like this has a good chance of hitting mafia.
Maybe going over some meta is the answer. Idunno. Expect a wall of text in the next hour or so.
and thanks for this
maybe it was u that cursed my computer
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On January 18 2017 01:48 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2017 01:44 Holyflare wrote:On January 18 2017 01:36 Hapahauli wrote:
If you're going to be too lazy to give an accurate read on me, then you're mafia and you should die. what do you mean too lazy to give an accurate read? I can't access teamliquid at work and I don't have internet in my office the only reason I can play is because I take breaks in the top floor toilet and can only use tl hearthstone as a janky work around or like now where I've got home I haven't read filters for like the past 8 games maybe you have a higher opinion of the old me than the new me but that doesn't make me mafia as many people have told you I can be lazy or I can be try hard prove to me that I'm wrong my friend I definitely have a higher opinion of you. However I think even lazy-town HF would have looked much much different than what you're doign.
if you care then link me your mafia games with a liquid hearthstone filter link please
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On January 18 2017 01:36 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2017 01:20 Rels wrote:
Slam, your reason to call Hapa conf town is horrible. It doesn't make sense. Even in the weird way you post. Actually, especially with the weird way you post. Someone using logic doesn't mean they're town. That's actually the opposite can you ellaborate on this? thanks
Wanted to exprim the idea that scum are more likely to hide behind logical fallacies to push their scumread, so their read make sense. Even if they don't make people scum.
On January 18 2017 01:37 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2017 01:30 Rels wrote:On January 17 2017 01:28 Vivax wrote:On January 17 2017 01:23 Rels wrote:
Vivax you are fucking dumb. Reread everything. Then if it's not clear I'll do a post by post defense where I'll explain exactly what's my LS read. But that is so useless that I don't want to waste time doing that. The basic is that I ddin't find LS scummy when I read that Damred post, then I found LS scummy when I finished reading the thread. The end. Give me a break dude. If you post stuff as you catch on while having a conversation then one never has an idea if you're changing opinion cause you're being confronted with accusations or cause you're absorbing new content. But then it's your fault for posting too early not mine for finding it scummy. I also reserve the right to lynch you without being called fucking dumb. I don't have any beef with you I just think you're not being townie. Well now that you know the fucking facts you can stop being a pain in the ass wow ... calm down... nobody likes this or needs this in this thread
No worries I'm calm now.
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If Hapa is mafia then for the argument about thread direction cause one third of that thread direction was a vote by HF that was obviously not serious.
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On January 18 2017 01:26 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2017 01:22 Holyflare wrote:On January 18 2017 01:21 Rels wrote:On January 18 2017 01:19 Holyflare wrote:On January 18 2017 01:14 Rels wrote:On January 18 2017 01:12 Holyflare wrote:On January 18 2017 01:08 Rels wrote:On January 18 2017 01:00 Holyflare wrote:On January 18 2017 00:55 Rels wrote:On January 18 2017 00:53 Holyflare wrote:
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This comes back in my first post of the day bro? Why should Hapa take it into account when you're not taking it into account ? How have I not taken it into account? In the post I accuse hapa I outline (not clearly at all) about 4 reasons damdred is mafia and 2-3 damdred is town (one of them being his ls read). I left my vote afk on damdred because: A) coinflippy B) pressure is great C) don't actually know damdred's alignment The meta thing is absolutely not a reason to solely town read damdred but it's something to ANALYTICALLY weigh up. Hapa's reasons for voting unvoting damdred are.....? Lazy/sheeping posts and thread presence? Ok rels. Yeah. This doesn't make sense. I don't see how that makes sense. So it's a reason so important that Hapa not using it to townread Damdred is scummy; but not so important that you're not really sure about Damdred. I think you're scum. I think that's exactly the kind of thing we need to get you caught as scum. You're not thinking about the game as a whole. Just applying logical stuff to Hapa, then logical stuff to Damdred. But they don't match. that's not the point at all wtf? it's that there's MANY MANY MANY REASONS that aren't "the thread ain't saying shit" that have would a change on your stance on a person, the LS read being ONE OF THESE hapa mentions NONE NOT ONE NADA ZILCH he states multiple times that he has an issue scum reading people in this game WHILE HIGHLIGHTING REASONS TO SCUM READ PEOPLE THIS DOESNT MAKE SENSE unless Hapa used this "Damdred != LS" argument somewhere then forgets about it when he talks about Damdred. Otherwise WHY CANT HE THINK THAT ITS A BS ARGUMENT ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? He never mentions this argument once. Never discusses anything about damdred. Never talks about anything to do with damdred other than to damdred himself. His reason to vote damdred is solely that damdred is sheeping ME (another argument being that if damdred is solely sheeping me, why am I the mafia?). That's his only argumentation on voting damdred. There are many points in the thread that can make you lean one way or the other in damdred and each of them has some sort of effect on what you think of damdred. At all points in the game a good player, such as hapa, looks at these points and objectively weighs them up, makes an informed decision and a vote. What do we get from hapa? That he's struggling to find reasons that someone is mafia? That he can't see one bit of information in this thread that could make him lean one way or the other one someone? I think that's an utter crock of shit. I have so many "scum reads" because there's so much already information in this thread that people could go on that's already been made and can be used. Hapa doesn't even look at these points either he just accuses me of doing nothing with it while not even exploring to think it's right and then his return is just that I'm "omgusing" him when it's not like that at all because these are actual legit reasons to scum read hapa THAT YOU SHARED. I think Hapa is town now. I changed my mind. That's what people do on D1 when they're looking for scum. good for you because I wholeheartedly disagree what has he done in his return? comment on a thing say dingdinding and leave again after you switched? that's called getting the mafia objective done and leaving again He had a few posts that felt really townie. When he was tilted. Then the joy when I finally got your weird read. He didn't attack me when I was the easy target. In fact, he didn't attack the easy targets. He attacked you. Probably the hardest target of all if you're town. His post where he went "IDK what to do I kinda think everyone is town" was townie. He looked into Slam meta even though Slam was never the main lynch.
On January 18 2017 01:23 Holyflare wrote:
ok i'm going to try something new
outline a few key points on why hapa is town for me
i'll outline a few on why he's mafia
we'll meet in the middle
Why is hapa scum ?
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Addendum: It was one of the reasons he unvoted Damdred for.
And it's a pretty bad reason in my opinion given that the wagon had at most three people, one of them with a meaningless vote. So speaking of thread direction is a stretch.
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