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On January 16 2017 04:22 Damdred wrote:
It is interesting as a side note that hapa was interested enough to ask me a question about ls reading but just disnt care enough to respond to me answering (feelings hurt).
Really I did like that vivax had a sort of point he wanted to drive home. I disagree with him though.
I liked hapa offensive capabilities but I sort of feel like it was misplaced it felt like.
Fight seems off to me.
I agree on the last portion. Also I not important to Hapa apparently lol.
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On January 16 2017 04:11 Hapahauli wrote:
Your attempt at diplomacy bores me.
Why do you like that Vivax drew his conclusion if you thought it was weird?
I liked the process of reading what you were doing and making a remark on how it affected his thought on you. It was remarkably high level compared to what I'm used to seeing recently.
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On January 16 2017 04:34 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2017 04:11 Hapahauli wrote:
Your attempt at diplomacy bores me.
Why do you like that Vivax drew his conclusion if you thought it was weird? I liked the process of reading what you were doing and making a remark on how it affected his thought on you. It was remarkably high level compared to what I'm used to seeing recently.
So do you find Vivax's post weird for the reason I posted out? Ot because it is higher-level than what you're used to seeing? Or something else?
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Got guests here, bbl (shouldn't take too long).
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On January 16 2017 04:22 Damdred wrote:
It is interesting as a side note that hapa was interested enough to ask me a question about ls reading but just disnt care enough to respond to me answering (feelings hurt).
Really I did like that vivax had a sort of point he wanted to drive home. I disagree with him though.
I liked hapa offensive capabilities but I sort of feel like it was misplaced it felt like.
Fight seems off to me.
There is nothing to discuss about you reading LS. At some point in this game, you'll make a read on him, and I'll judge for myself whether it makes sense or not. I just need to know what expectations I should have.
On January 16 2017 04:32 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2017 04:22 Damdred wrote:
It is interesting as a side note that hapa was interested enough to ask me a question about ls reading but just disnt care enough to respond to me answering (feelings hurt).
Really I did like that vivax had a sort of point he wanted to drive home. I disagree with him though.
I liked hapa offensive capabilities but I sort of feel like it was misplaced it felt like.
Fight seems off to me. I agree on the last portion. Also I not important to Hapa apparently lol.
You're always welcome to scum-slip so I can tunnel you into the ground for the next 48 hours or so.
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On January 16 2017 04:42 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2017 04:22 Damdred wrote:
It is interesting as a side note that hapa was interested enough to ask me a question about ls reading but just disnt care enough to respond to me answering (feelings hurt).
Really I did like that vivax had a sort of point he wanted to drive home. I disagree with him though.
I liked hapa offensive capabilities but I sort of feel like it was misplaced it felt like.
Fight seems off to me. There is nothing to discuss about you reading LS. At some point in this game, you'll make a read on him, and I'll judge for myself whether it makes sense or not. I just need to know what expectations I should have. Show nested quote +On January 16 2017 04:32 LightningStrike wrote:On January 16 2017 04:22 Damdred wrote:
It is interesting as a side note that hapa was interested enough to ask me a question about ls reading but just disnt care enough to respond to me answering (feelings hurt).
Really I did like that vivax had a sort of point he wanted to drive home. I disagree with him though.
I liked hapa offensive capabilities but I sort of feel like it was misplaced it felt like.
Fight seems off to me. I agree on the last portion. Also I not important to Hapa apparently lol. You're always welcome to scum-slip so I can tunnel you into the ground for the next 48 hours or so.
I not scum so I wont slip :o
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On January 16 2017 04:36 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2017 04:34 Holyflare wrote:On January 16 2017 04:11 Hapahauli wrote:
Your attempt at diplomacy bores me.
Why do you like that Vivax drew his conclusion if you thought it was weird? I liked the process of reading what you were doing and making a remark on how it affected his thought on you. It was remarkably high level compared to what I'm used to seeing recently. So do you find Vivax's post weird for the reason I posted out? Ot because it is higher-level than what you're used to seeing? Or something else?
Correct.
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On January 16 2017 04:45 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2017 04:36 Hapahauli wrote:On January 16 2017 04:34 Holyflare wrote:On January 16 2017 04:11 Hapahauli wrote:
Your attempt at diplomacy bores me.
Why do you like that Vivax drew his conclusion if you thought it was weird? I liked the process of reading what you were doing and making a remark on how it affected his thought on you. It was remarkably high level compared to what I'm used to seeing recently. So do you find Vivax's post weird for the reason I posted out? Ot because it is higher-level than what you're used to seeing? Or something else? Correct.
Correct to?
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You're missing my point.
"X post is scummy" isn't absolute reasoning. I don't care about what the reasoning is. The point is that the statement is direct. The statement is clear. It has a straightforward objective. Town have no reason to hide, and every reason to communicate clearly about their intentions.
There's very little point in announcing "this post may be suspicious". It's indirect. It is unclear. What exactly is the objective of announcing something you aren't sure about?
Town has no reason to hide et cetera is just an empty phrase in this context. A truism that everyone will agree with while unrelated to the context, as I hid nothing. Smells a bit like a rhetorical trick where you mix statements nobody can disagree with into the rest of the (debatable) argumentation.
My objective was to point out your attitude in the thread, which I did. And argue why it could come from scum, which I did.
But my objective is also to not make a decision too early based on too little. And I believe it is too little on its own to outright call you scum for it.
So I still don't know what point you are trying to make besides that I should reason in absolutes as town. Is the point now that I tried to hide something?
On January 16 2017 04:28 Hapahauli wrote:
I don't think the meta point would have led to any good conversation. I'd rather you address the part of your post I considered scummy than something I considered more non-alignment indicative.
Your meta question just seems out of place to me. I literally have no idea why I should apply meta when I'm just having a conversation with someone scumreading me. So I'm wondering how it made it into your argumentation, which I still don't see explained. Maybe now you think that it's not important. But it's important to know what you were thinking at the time that you wrote that.
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Here is the thing hapa I already have a pretty solid read on me currently. And that he is probably town at this point moving forward.
How did I get here? Why thank you for asking!
You see it starts with me having bad reasons that are correct. LS makes a meta point about my play and how I react to him, ( ie of I legit push him as scum and he flips town im scum as I read him like 100%). Town point.
States things that are clear as day at points even jokes. Town point (really lacks much of this as scum).
And seems to be able to give ok if not lower thought process on current events. So he's just town.
And that went on longer than I wanted
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On January 16 2017 05:14 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +You're missing my point.
"X post is scummy" isn't absolute reasoning. I don't care about what the reasoning is. The point is that the statement is direct. The statement is clear. It has a straightforward objective. Town have no reason to hide, and every reason to communicate clearly about their intentions.
There's very little point in announcing "this post may be suspicious". It's indirect. It is unclear. What exactly is the objective of announcing something you aren't sure about? Town has no reason to hide et cetera is just an empty phrase in this context. A truism that everyone will agree with while unrelated to the context, as I hid nothing. Smells a bit like a rhetorical trick where you mix statements nobody can disagree with into the rest of the (debatable) argumentation. My objective was to point out your attitude in the thread, which I did. And argue why it could come from scum, which I did. But my objective is also to not make a decision too early based on too little. And I believe it is too little on its own to outright call you scum for it. So I still don't know what point you are trying to make besides that I should reason in absolutes as town. Is the point now that I tried to hide something?
No additional points. That's fair.
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Show nested quote +On January 16 2017 04:28 Hapahauli wrote:
I don't think the meta point would have led to any good conversation. I'd rather you address the part of your post I considered scummy than something I considered more non-alignment indicative. Your meta question just seems out of place to me. I literally have no idea why I should apply meta when I'm just having a conversation with someone scumreading me. So I'm wondering how it made it into your argumentation, which I still don't see explained. Maybe now you think that it's not important. But it's important to know what you were thinking at the time that you wrote that.
At the exact moment I posted the meta thing, my though process was "why is Vivax using a thought process that I only really have as town to call me suspicious?" Which morphed into... "wait... is Vivax even calling me suspicious", and then followed "huh. what is even the point of that post?"
I post what I think and refine my arguments over time. When I posted my followup vote, I thought the last two statements made for a better case than the first, since the first is just a very biased viewpoint of my own meta.
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I could use some feedback on the content of the whole discussion. Especially from HF cause he's been too neutral for my taste so far.
I really dislike having to post an opinion on Hapa at this point cause it's always hard to seem credible/unbiased when being attacked, but the first oddity I noticed is the way he went about it.
Is it townie that you instantly make a case (with that out of place question about meta, I might add) with questions mixed in it that you could simply have asked beforehand?
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On January 16 2017 05:16 Damdred wrote:
Here is the thing hapa I already have a pretty solid read on me currently. And that he is probably town at this point moving forward.
How did I get here? Why thank you for asking!
You see it starts with me having bad reasons that are correct. LS makes a meta point about my play and how I react to him, ( ie of I legit push him as scum and he flips town im scum as I read him like 100%). Town point.
States things that are clear as day at points even jokes. Town point (really lacks much of this as scum).
And seems to be able to give ok if not lower thought process on current events. So he's just town.
And that went on longer than I wanted
Okay.
Is this a case you would make on other townies, or is there something meta-specific here about LS? How confident is this read, scale of 1 to 10?
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On January 16 2017 05:25 Vivax wrote:
I could use some feedback on the content of the whole discussion. Especially from HF cause he's been too neutral for my taste so far.
Agree here.
Damdred responded to events well.
Not much to say about LS. Non-alignment indicative.
I really dislike having to post an opinion on Hapa at this point cause it's always hard to seem credible/unbiased when being attacked, but the first oddity I noticed is the way he went about it.
Is it townie that you instantly make a case (with that out of place question about meta, I might add) with questions mixed in it that you could simply have asked beforehand?
My approach to the early-game is to throw around votes early and ask questions later, because why not? I've found I get more thread discussion out of forced votes than questioning. Were this 24 hours in the game, I probably would have asked you a ton of questions before voting.
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"Agree here" = I didn't like HolyFlare's entrance.
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Also on that note I think that vivax is showing some pretty good critical analysis thinking aat this juncture.
No real over reaction just calm logic, really like vivax at this point.
Like after most of this I think it is t v t right now.
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On January 16 2017 05:32 Hapahauli wrote:
"Agree here" = I didn't like HolyFlare's entrance.
Do you find it scummy?
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On January 16 2017 05:25 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2017 05:16 Damdred wrote:
Here is the thing hapa I already have a pretty solid read on me currently. And that he is probably town at this point moving forward.
How did I get here? Why thank you for asking!
You see it starts with me having bad reasons that are correct. LS makes a meta point about my play and how I react to him, ( ie of I legit push him as scum and he flips town im scum as I read him like 100%). Town point.
States things that are clear as day at points even jokes. Town point (really lacks much of this as scum).
And seems to be able to give ok if not lower thought process on current events. So he's just town.
And that went on longer than I wanted Okay. Is this a case you would make on other townies, or is there something meta-specific here about LS? How confident is this read, scale of 1 to 10?
It's something meta specific to ls. He's incredibly lazy, isn't really confrontational and lays super low as scum.
He can get past these of his partner is someone he lives and pushed his buttons and rides him hard.
I would give it an 7-8 atm. Probably halfway through the day I can lock in depending. But some nice meta things on ls.
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On January 16 2017 05:36 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2017 05:32 Hapahauli wrote:
"Agree here" = I didn't like HolyFlare's entrance. Do you find it scummy?
Yes.
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On January 16 2017 04:07 Holyflare wrote:
I like that vivax drew his conclusion, I like that hapa called it weird because I felt the same.
That is all.
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On January 16 2017 04:34 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2017 04:11 Hapahauli wrote:
Your attempt at diplomacy bores me.
Why do you like that Vivax drew his conclusion if you thought it was weird? I liked the process of reading what you were doing and making a remark on how it affected his thought on you. It was remarkably high level compared to what I'm used to seeing recently.
#2 is not a satisfying explanation of #1. It does not make much sense how HF can consider something "weird", yet "remarkably high level".
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On January 16 2017 05:41 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2017 05:36 Vivax wrote:On January 16 2017 05:32 Hapahauli wrote:
"Agree here" = I didn't like HolyFlare's entrance. Do you find it scummy? Yes. #1 Show nested quote +On January 16 2017 04:07 Holyflare wrote:
I like that vivax drew his conclusion, I like that hapa called it weird because I felt the same.
That is all. #2 Show nested quote +On January 16 2017 04:34 Holyflare wrote:On January 16 2017 04:11 Hapahauli wrote:
Your attempt at diplomacy bores me.
Why do you like that Vivax drew his conclusion if you thought it was weird? I liked the process of reading what you were doing and making a remark on how it affected his thought on you. It was remarkably high level compared to what I'm used to seeing recently. #2 is not a satisfying explanation of #1. It does not make much sense how HF can consider something "weird", yet "remarkably high level".
I don't find it scummy, actually. It might even show that he's in a cozy mood cause in my experience mafia feels like they need to put something substantial on the table. And I don't believe that mafia HF would believe that to be enough. Maybe I'm overestimating his scum game but I believe, simply put, that he would try harder.
For me it's just disappointing so far as he didn't have an own opinion about any of our points.
Actually he earns some town points in my book for a post that looks bad on the surface.
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