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Liquidmania Qualifier #2 - Page 5
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
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Damdred
15669 Posts
Generally it's true, even if I change my mind last second I figure him out eventually. Just makingthe argument though ls makes me want to towwn read him for horrid reasons. But don't pay attention to that. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On January 16 2017 03:27 Vivax wrote: Your posts give me the impression that you sit in front of the computer screen with an attitude like "alright, I'm here, I need to do something, fucking give me something to do already". Bingo. I don't think that's tense though. It's a well-established part of my game to get people talking, even if I have to force the shit out of things. I found that sort of scummy but I'm still ruminating on it. I'll just keep observing for now  Why scummy? Cause as scum posting early you'd be like. "What? Now I'm here to put in effort I don't have to actually put in and nobody's here?" and then you jump at things in a bit of an exaggerated manner to compensate for that. You can think what you like, but you know the solution to reading me is pretty simple. Either I keep up with my try-harding (and I'm town), or my activity drops off like a cliff (and I'm mafia). I'm self-aware of this tell for sure, but I haven't been able to fix it. | ||
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LightningStrike
United States14277 Posts
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LightningStrike
United States14277 Posts
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On January 16 2017 03:27 Vivax wrote: Your posts give me the impression that you sit in front of the computer screen with an attitude like "alright, I'm here, I need to do something, fucking give me something to do already". I found that sort of scummy but I'm still ruminating on it. I'll just keep observing for now Why scummy? Cause as scum posting early you'd be like. "What? Now I'm here to put in effort I don't have to actually put in and nobody's here?" and then you jump at things in a bit of an exaggerated manner to compensate for that. Actually, I find this analysis pretty weird, as well as the timing of it. Your posts give me the impression that you sit in front of the computer screen with an attitude like "alright, I'm here, I need to do something, fucking give me something to do already". I don't understand why this is a mafia tell. What makes it more likely to come from mafia then town? Also, what does the bolded thought process make more sense with: Town-Hapa or Mafia-Hapa? I found that sort of scummy but I'm still ruminating on it. I'll just keep observing for now It's pointless to bring it up if you have no conclusion about it. "I found that sort of kind of maybe possibly scummy but don't hold me accountable for it because I'm still thinking" isn't a very good or townie thought process. Why scummy? Cause as scum posting early you'd be like. "What? Now I'm here to put in effort I don't have to actually put in and nobody's here?" and then you jump at things in a bit of an exaggerated manner to compensate for that. This doesn't make much sense to me. What about my play is exaggerated? Any posts in particular? It's just a very weird adjective to be using when all early-game banter is inherently forced. ##Vote Vivax | ||
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Vivax
21978 Posts
On January 16 2017 03:31 Hapahauli wrote: Bingo. I don't think that's tense though. It's a well-established part of my game to get people talking, even if I have to force the shit out of things. You can think what you like, but you know the solution to reading me is pretty simple. Either I keep up with my try-harding (and I'm town), or my activity drops off like a cliff (and I'm mafia). I'm self-aware of this tell for sure, but I haven't been able to fix it. It's early in the game I'm perfectly fine with leaving it at that, just wanted to get a possible interpretation out of the system after noticing your attitude. On January 16 2017 03:41 LightningStrike wrote: I think Vivax might be town for his questioning onto Hapa or at least trying to draw a conclusion with his posts towards Hapa. Do you think I can't replicate that as scum? Dunno why you feel like posting this already. I mean ok, it's never bad to be posting reads. But just this post alone in the room looks a bit solitary. It's just that I'm used to everyone saying that I become obvious as scum as the game progresses and I thought you adopted that point of view as well. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On January 16 2017 03:41 LightningStrike wrote: I think Vivax might be town for his questioning onto Hapa or at least trying to draw a conclusion with his posts towards Hapa. Not really. If Vivax just came out and said: "How hapa is behaving is scummy" - I'd be totally OK with that. But he goes: On January 16 2017 03:27 Vivax wrote: ... I found that sort of scummy but I'm still ruminating on it. I'll just keep observing for now ... Which is very "ewwww". | ||
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Vivax
21978 Posts
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LightningStrike
United States14277 Posts
On January 16 2017 03:47 Vivax wrote: It's early in the game I'm perfectly fine with leaving it at that, just wanted to get a possible interpretation out of the system after noticing your attitude. Do you think I can't replicate that as scum? Dunno why you feel like posting this already. I mean ok, it's never bad to be posting reads. But just this post alone in the room looks a bit solitary. It's just that I'm used to everyone saying that I become obvious as scum as the game progresses and I thought you adopted that point of view as well. Not the manner of your questioning I think. If you are scum yes I will be able to catch later. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On January 16 2017 03:51 Vivax wrote: whoa Hapa coming out with the big guns =O. Why so quick to jump the gun here? Seems a bit overreactive. Why not? I think what you did is scummy. I'm calling it out. | ||
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Vivax
21978 Posts
If you put out an explanation for why I'm mafia that is deduced from the sum of your points I'll answer to that one, if you will. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
I think "x" is mafia because "reasons." I think "post" is scummy because "reasons." This was not the thought process here. On January 16 2017 03:27 Vivax wrote: ... I found that sort of scummy but I'm still ruminating on it. I'll just keep observing for now ... This isn't straightforward. You find what I was doing "sort of scummy", but immediately discredit your own observation by stating that "you're still ruminating." This very round-about thought process is scummy. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
That is all. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
Why do you like that Vivax drew his conclusion if you thought it was weird? | ||
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Vivax
21978 Posts
On January 16 2017 04:01 Hapahauli wrote: Sure. A town thought process is straightforward. I think "x" is mafia because "reasons." I think "post" is scummy because "reasons." This was not the thought process here. This isn't straightforward. You find what I was doing "sort of scummy", but immediately discredit your own observation by stating that "you're still ruminating." This very round-about thought process is scummy. Nah it just feels too early for me to jump to definite conclusions based on a single observation. Your attitude back then could also be explained from a townie point of view, and ultimately I'm not going to make a decision on your alignment just based on that single point as I don't feel it already warrants a scumread. You looked pretty cramped and I explained why I thought it was slightly more likely to come from scum. Or in a nutshell: I don't reason in absolutes. And I don't think you are right that only town reasons in absolutes. I can mention points that catch my interest without them necessarily leading to a confident conclusion. | ||
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Vivax
21978 Posts
Why ask me about my meta read on you if the jist of all your points put together is that I discredited my own point? | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
Really I did like that vivax had a sort of point he wanted to drive home. I disagree with him though. I liked hapa offensive capabilities but I sort of feel like it was misplaced it felt like. Fight seems off to me. | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
On January 16 2017 04:12 Vivax wrote: Nah it just feels too early for me to jump to definite conclusions based on a single observation. Your attitude back then could also be explained from a townie point of view, and ultimately I'm not going to make a decision on your alignment just based on that single point as I don't feel it already warrants a scumread. You looked pretty cramped and I explained why I thought it was slightly more likely to come from scum. Or in a nutshell: I don't reason in absolutes. And I don't think you are right that only town reasons in absolutes. I can mention points that catch my interest without them necessarily leading to a confident conclusion. I like this post though, it has a townie vibe in it and really trying to get his point across. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On January 16 2017 04:12 Vivax wrote: Nah it just feels too early for me to jump to definite conclusions based on a single observation. Your attitude back then could also be explained from a townie point of view, and ultimately I'm not going to make a decision on your alignment just based on that single point as I don't feel it already warrants a scumread. You looked pretty cramped and I explained why I thought it was slightly more likely to come from scum. Or in a nutshell: I don't reason in absolutes. And I don't think you are right that only town reasons in absolutes. I can mention points that catch my interest without them necessarily leading to a confident conclusion. You're missing my point. "X post is scummy" isn't absolute reasoning. I don't care about what the reasoning is. The point is that the statement is direct. The statement is clear. It has a straightforward objective. Town have no reason to hide, and every reason to communicate clearly about their intentions. There's very little point in announcing "this post may be suspicious". It's indirect. It is unclear. What exactly is the objective of announcing something you aren't sure about? On January 16 2017 04:16 Vivax wrote: My turn: Why ask me about my meta read on you if the jist of all your points put together is that I discredited my own point? I don't think the meta point would have led to any good conversation. I'd rather you address the part of your post I considered scummy than something I considered more non-alignment indicative. | ||
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