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I am either shadowing, co-hosting or playing this. | ||
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tbh since I am very much a learning by so yolo /in | ||
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Funnily if I am in Obs mode I only need to barely skim some filters/pages to have a decent idea of who scum is, but in the game I am only able to find scum when they have logical gaps in their filters and/or I can't follow their thoughts at all. Or they are literally doing jack all. So I probably haven't found a decent / or my way of scum hunting yet. Do want to do/try more VCA though. Maybe I just need to trust my gut and play more games. xD So. TLDR: I am bad and need to: Any advise? | ||
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this should have enough roles to play around with the balance a bit. | ||
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On February 03 2016 22:03 NocturneMage wrote: If I join as the 17th player, she will make this a 17-player game. The question is whether I should join to troll the shit out of disformation. edit: Actually why not. I can't troll HTS so I'll troll scumformation instead. /in Perfect. My dream will come true. One of us will roll town vig, the other will roll scum. We will shoot each other N1. | ||
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When is the game going to start? Today? | ||
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Hope that I don't roll scum the third game in a row, especially since I want to/need to work on my town game a bunch. TBH would love to just roll VT. Would take Vig, too, just to shoot NM N1. Hope that I don't roll the traitor, really not digging that parity cop things, especially with possibly miller(s) and/or GF in the game. But let us see what RNGesus has to say about that. edit: /confirm and flowers | ||
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On February 02 2016 23:35 Half the Sky wrote: Game Mechanics and Setup 1 There are no notifications unless absolutely necessary. Not sure what this means. Guess: Saves are not notified, RB's are only notified if the RB'ed player would have performed an action? edit: to formulate the question in an other way: when are notifications absolutely necessary? | ||
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On February 03 2016 22:56 Half the Sky wrote: disformation there is no traitor in this game. Which scum role are you referring to? I thought I made it pretty clear with the bolded for each role what they should be but if something isn't clear... Also "no notifications" means that the only role that gets notified if roleblocked are investigatives (DT/tracker) that get "no result" if roleblocked. And of course, saves are never notified, veteran doesn't get notified if he incurs kp. Of course there is a traitor in this game. + Show Spoiler + | ||
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On February 03 2016 23:15 NocturneMage wrote: Well it is his significant other, I would think someone would know well enough to make that judgment. Besides, there's never any harm in getting anyone to try, all they can say is no. Not happening if you get policy lynched d1. Meh. Don't think policy lynches are really a thing. On February 03 2016 23:18 NocturneMage wrote: Also on the movie itself, was there anyone here who did NOT like Star Wars? A surprising number of people I knew were disappointed, and that's not counting the people that were whining about Han Solo. There were some things that were kinda mehish, but overall I'd rate that thing like 8.5/10. | ||
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On February 03 2016 23:20 NocturneMage wrote: So if these guys get roleblocked when they shoot, they get their bullets back right? On February 02 2016 23:35 Half the Sky wrote: Game Mechanics and Setup 7 Vigilante bullets are not refundable if roleblocked or shot into protection. | ||
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On February 03 2016 23:40 Half the Sky wrote: IMO, if you were a purist - and I am not - there were apparently many reasons to complain. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/seth-abramson/40-unforgivable-plot-holes-in-star-wars-the-force-awakens_b_8850324.html Overall I enjoyed it, don't get me wrong, the Han Solo thing made me cringe, but it is what it is. Things that bothered me from that list: 4,6,12 Yeah, there was a lot of plot convenience going on, but that didn't bother me too much. The movie was basically all setting up for a new trilogy anyway. Was extremely glad kylo killed han solo, cause that sets up kylo to become a pretty awesome villain in the future. edit: was also kinda awkward how hard han solo had to carry those newbs. edit2: kinda generally dislike the theme of the force running in only "the" family and that basically all force user are related to each other. | ||
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On February 04 2016 00:06 Rels wrote: That is the usual number for 17, although I'm pretty sure you won't be given a direct answer as it's a semi-open setup. Fair enough. | ||
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On February 04 2016 00:11 disformation wrote: Cool. < 25% to roll scum. Really would like to roll town, so I like those odds. xD Feeling incredible stupid. Been too long since I have worked with probabilities, but I feel this is kinda inaccurate. Will maybe ponder this further. | ||
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On February 04 2016 01:25 NocturneMage wrote: He probably didn't have enough coffee Koshi. (If you don't get it, you'd have to reference the PYP obs qt.) TBH feeling like shit the last two days. Sleep schedule is FUBAR and I can't tell if I an having not enough or way too much coffee so I currently can't brain at all. Like even less than usual. Head feels like it is stuffed with cotton and/or ny brain is going to flow out if my ears in the form of some muddy liquid any moment now. @koshi : i would prefer for you to just call me an idiot to my face instead of heavily implying it, if you take the time to call me out on something. this way of doing it kinda pisses me off. | ||
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On February 04 2016 02:00 Koshi wrote: lol. wasn't my intention at all. The only thing I implied was that your previous calculation was correct. Oh... Well, good we talked about that. xD Seems I am about as good at interpreting implications as in maths. xD On February 04 2016 02:10 Half the Sky wrote: disformation, I'm being honest, the way you mention about your schedule, far too little sleep and drinking way too much coffee. I'm habitually used to 4-5h at worst/sometimes but I am even trying to improve on this. Really aim to try to get to bed by 2am, the only time I go later than that is if I'm sick or if I'm on holiday. If I'm working abroad I try to aim for 6, anything above that is dreamland especially in southeast Asia, given my track record there, and the ~8h time difference I have had a very bad time trying to get sleep. (Onegu you could probably shed light on this given your frequent travels to Asia, and your travel route is 10x worse than mine lmao.) Hopefully your job hunt isn't terribly taxing, but once you find something I can't imagine it being too bad. Hang in there. Thing is: to be really really fit I need ridiculous amounts of sleep and days are just too short to do that. Perfect amount of sleep for me seems to be 9 hours. After having slept pretty badly last two nights I can probably straight up sleep 11 hours the next time I get the chance. On February 04 2016 02:25 boxerfred wrote: Regarding sleep: when playing Mafia, I have 4-5 hours. Without mafia, I have 6-7 hours. Had that happen to me as well a few times. Especially in games I was really invested in. Like wake up after 5 hours of sleep and having to check the thread via phone, reading a scum read on me and being fully awake. xD | ||
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May the RNGesus be with you. | ||
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On February 04 2016 03:53 NocturneMage wrote: ....unless you roll dark side. ##shoot disformation Joking, though I am glad to hear you are feeling better. Thanks. On February 04 2016 03:55 NocturneMage wrote: oh lord, Moosy is in this game? LOL disformation, forget me trolling you, looks like you'll have your hands full! Meh. Let's see how it works out. Just means it is a target rich environment for my vig shot. :p | ||
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On February 04 2016 04:48 Zyrre wrote: Just an old brood war fan, mostly in TaekBangLeeSsang era. Got really interested in mafia after the "Mafia LAN" by dota 2 casters and figured I would try to enjoy some games here. prompted me to look at In case anyone has forgotten how much of a godly beast Flash was. Remember being pretty sad over Flash destroying Jaedong in some Finals. Zerg is love. Zerg is life. Also should not have mentioned Dota 2. NocturneMage is going to kill you over that. | ||
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On February 04 2016 04:58 Damdred wrote: So I'm going to give this game my best shot. Tye goal is to jeep every post under 2 paragraphs and only talk about scum reads and not giving out town reads to much ? | ||
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But was great watching those crazy Koreans play and stare in disbelief. nap time. | ||
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present and accounted for. good news for NM and MD: I am probably not going to shoot one of you N1. probably. | ||
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On February 04 2016 08:02 disformation wrote: Sup fellows. present and accounted for. good news for NM and MD: I am probably not going to shoot one of you N1. probably. maybe. Anyone else around? | ||
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On February 04 2016 08:06 Palmar wrote: I'm almost certain there was at some point a mafia game where the rebels were mafia and the empire was town. I just can't remember what it was Really? I remember looking for star wars themed mafia games after watching the movie and I wasn't able to find one. Not impossible for me to have missed that though. | ||
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On February 04 2016 08:10 Palmar wrote: didn't you claim to be present and accounted for last game too? I do this like every game. Feel free to hit my profile. You can find links to my games there. | ||
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On February 04 2016 08:11 disformation wrote: I do this like every game. Feel free to hit my profile. You can find links to my games there. It is basically my code for marking my first post that is not pre game. On February 04 2016 08:12 Damdred wrote: I hate this game already. hi hi, let me throw the weakest/easiest TR ever at you. | ||
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On February 04 2016 08:12 Damdred wrote: I hate this game already. hi Can't believe I nearly missed this opportunity... =D | ||
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On February 04 2016 08:26 marvellosity wrote: Hi. I'm not really here. Does that mean you are not the scum I am looking for? | ||
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On February 04 2016 08:42 ritoky wrote: well this game is going nowhere in a hurry. why? Was kinda waiting for that question to pop up. Well once upon the time damdy told me that he really does not like to be VT. Him opening up like this reminded me of that. Could be easily faked so I call it a super weak/easy TR. You gotta start somewhere. | ||
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On February 04 2016 08:48 ritoky wrote: if you were anticipating the question, then why didn't you just say the reason from the start instead of waiting to be prompted? Dunno. Have observed a lot of ppl just throwing out reads, without really bothering to explain them. Wanted to try that style this game a bit. Also more opportunities for interactions like this. | ||
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On February 04 2016 08:52 Damdred wrote: Blah so much ninja already rip my life Does that mean your question is already answered? Hm. Would say your approach/questioning of me is an effort to genuinely trying to figure out my alignment and therefore town. Reminds me a bit of NSM 9. | ||
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Feel like this is an insider job and I wasn't invited. | ||
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On February 04 2016 09:23 Palmar wrote: he was actually relatively restrained, but I could see the vein on his forehead about to burst here from iceland Ah, that thread. Didn't really pay attention to that. On February 04 2016 09:24 Palmar wrote: I'm going to sleep @disfo: I want a "weak" read on everyone that has posted in the game yet or I will lynch you. I don't want any null reads, you can only answer with "scum" or "town" and an explanation why Uhhh. Well let us try. Warning most of those will suck hard. weak flower town reads: Damdred: already explained ritoky: already explained jat: not giving a single flower when getting voted on palmar: scary palmar is scary and will see me hanged weak flower scum reads, pretty much all for being here without trying to advance the game / posting to post: koshi: was here didn't do anything darthfoley: was here didn't do anything Zyrre: was here didn't do anything. Like him a bit more than the others, since I feel the same as he described in his first and only post so far. xD marv: was not here didn't do anything | ||
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On February 04 2016 09:45 ritoky wrote: i have a light tr on jat for a dumb reason I liked your question to jat. Not 100% sure what to make of the answer though. Inclined to sympathize, since I have a similar behaviour. Care to share your dumb reason? Probably still better than mine. :p | ||
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On February 04 2016 09:55 justanothertownie wrote: It is most certainly an incredibly dumb and bad reason. Fair enough. Guessing it is something I didn't pick up because I have never played with you before. *shrugs* Random though I had about Palmar: Guess he is pushing me to do stuff this way, because of the list of problems in my game I posted pre game. So he is probably trying to see if I am really working on some of those points and gets to figure out my alignment while forcing me to step up my game. I like this | ||
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On February 04 2016 10:35 darthfoley wrote: Wanted to point this out. To be fair, I have done this as town before, but it's worth noting. hi, let me throw the weakest/easiest TR ever at you. Likewise, I don't particularly like this "read." The explanation was basically hearsay, so I'm still not a fan I followed the PYP game with Koshi and Palmar,[...][/QUOTE] Not sure I correctly understand that sentence. That with is kinda confusing me. Also good to know since VA, Rels and me where also in PYP, so you I am interested in seeing how you read those three when compared to PYP. Rels hasn't posted yet here, so you don't need to do so now. Mainly want this post in my filter to remember to ask you about those three. xD | ||
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On February 04 2016 10:48 disformation wrote: Not sure I correctly understand that sentence. That with is kinda confusing me. Also good to know since VA, Rels and me where also in PYP, so you I am interested in seeing how you read those three when compared to PYP. Rels hasn't posted yet here, so you don't need to do so now. Mainly want this post in my filter to remember to ask you about those three. xD EBWOP. meh. Also 3 am. Going to bed. | ||
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nearly forgot. @NocturneMage: care to remind me what you think of meta reads? | ||
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hmmm... i dont think i have posted pictures my previous town games. stsrted doing that my first scum game. must be my scum meta then. =D | ||
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On February 04 2016 12:16 ritoky wrote: 1) notifying that he is going out of his way to post from an inconvenient place -> notice me senpai 2) "almost forgot" -> something he must tell us! must be important 3) deferring to nocturnemage a) now confirmed not important b) if town is deferring to someone who's alignment he doesn't know for no reason 4) trying to discredit meta which CAN be a useful tool 5) smiley face cuz clearly "i'm joking gaiz" nothing about this post is good in any way. all of it is legit hot trash. still phone posting from bed cuz cant sleep: my post is amazing and you are bad. will explain after i got my answer. also nearly forgot: | ||
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mage i dont really dig your list. too much inconclusive stuff i am not sure why you bothered to add it. not answering my question makes me like you even less. but fine if you need some help with that ill dig some stuff up when i am not in bed and at my pc. | ||
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On February 04 2016 20:20 Palmar wrote: This game is going to be painful because I'm going to obsess about finding the "superbia" mafia and never give anyone a townread ever. I feel I should just write off disfo as town, for example, but I don't want to I like this post. Paranoia is a good town trait to have imo. | ||
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On February 04 2016 19:10 ritoky wrote: because i think there is a problem in translation here is why i don't understand it. i called his post bad because it is bad. but bad does not necessitate mafia. it is a poor post regardless of alignment and i am undecided on his alignment partially because it was so bad. here's what his post did in an expanded version: 1) contrary to what a lot of coaches teach these days about keeping the thread updated on when you're leaving, what you're doing, etc; i find that shit to rub me the wrong way and just be a pile of "notice how much extra i care everyone". maybe that's residual shit from when BH owned me by faking he was moving, but it always reads scummy to me. 2) he then says "oh i almost forgot". this implies that the thought he had while in bed on his phone was so important that he had to post from a state of inconvenience in order to notify the thread of what it was. now this is crap already cuz the game is 5 hrs old, but i will entertain it. however he then addresses nocturnemage who hasn't posted at this point with his post......something super important but directed at a person with 0 posts. 3) firstly he is giving NM a free entry into the thread, when mafia often times find entries particularly difficult and you have players like me and like palmar in the game who are quite good at spotting bad entries (if palmar is town obv). secondly instead of making a point or joke about metas like he wants to instead he is trying to defer to someone else who historically doesn't like meta reads to shit on them for him. what point does this have? what does this serve? it gains us nothing and loses us information. if you want to make jokes about meta and shit on meta then just do it instead of trying to bring someone else in. 4) then the smiley at the end just so everyone knows it was all a joke.....sight. that said disfo's enthusiasm, tone, and filter length indicates he is town. but some of his posts are turds. so he is neutral, but i know myself; certain people and the way they play the more i read of their posts the more i am gonna wanna lynch them for the way they post/talk/act/type; regardless of its bearing on their alignment. the posts were bad, they were net negative posts regardless of his alignment, and he shouldn't post like that. 3) Is a good point and I haven't considered this. 4) Not what I was trying to say with the smiley, but that is hard to argue about. Also my second post on that matter was pretty super indeed + Show Spoiler + On February 04 2016 12:23 disformation wrote: still phone posting from bed cuz cant sleep: my post is amazing and you are bad. will explain after i got my answer. also nearly forgot: | ||
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On February 04 2016 22:21 boxerfred wrote: Yep, why do you do it? I mean, you talk about Palmar instead of referring to my points, while you blame everyone to not talk about my points. Why? And what do you think about my points about ritoky? Also, disformation, I expect huge things now. You're so silent now, are you not awake? Not reading? It's weird that you're not here. I got up like 25mins ago and am drinking my first coffee. Also have some stuff to do so I can't play 24/7. No clue why anyone would expect great things from the worst player in the game, but sure I can try. | ||
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On February 04 2016 22:24 boxerfred wrote: You have a lot of town cred going for you, live up to that. What do you think about ritoky's push on you? What do you think about Palmar's reaction to my case? Mh. Still think ritoky is probably town. A bunch of the points on my post were a bit meh'ish imo, but the one I pointed out about the thread entry thing earlier is kinda good. Not liking the fact that he says he could lynch me regardless of alignment though. Can agree with Palmar on your posts though. Seems a bit overexplainy, but otherwise I think it is way more likely to come from town. | ||
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On February 04 2016 22:45 Rels wrote: Could scum post that ? It's soooooooo scummy that I'm kinda thinking it's town indicative. Like, kush does nothing for 10 hours; comes back with this post; then GTFO. Scum are generally trying to be more careful with their posts. Oh wow. Was just about to say that he hasn't posted yet. Seems I missed this one. In my experience kushs/noons thread entries as town are always scummy as hell, but I haven't played with a scum!kush/noon so far. Does anyone know if his thread entries are as wonky as this. ppl who haven't posted yet: Onegu MoosyDoosy | ||
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Really have trouble following NM's thoughts this game. Which feels really off, he is usually pretty logical (as either alignment) and points out great stuff (as town). He did replace into a bunch of games and did skip D1 therefore (e.g. Dark Tournament, Outlaw Mafia), so I could see a town!NocturneMage struggle with D1. On the other hand this would also be true for scum!NocturneMage... Not liking his posts so far... leaning scum. | ||
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Normally I am not sure which of the approaches (claiming right off the bat vs waiting until in danger of lynch) is better, but this game scum has a "free" strong arm shot, so claiming right off the bat seems very not good. xD | ||
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Oh that is a role? The wording makes me think it is 100% in? Like: On February 02 2016 23:35 Half the Sky wrote: Cast of Characters Starkiller Base Superweapon The scumteam have one strongman shot they may use against any blue role which passes through all protection. The target, if blue, will die at phase change. This shot may be used at day or night when the mafia team notify the host. If the shot hits a non-blue role, the shot is spent. The bold part. "The scumteam have a one strongman shot". Doesn't imply to me that this is bound to a role. Will PM HtS. | ||
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What does this mean for my alignment? I haven't seen you give a read on me in your filter. | ||
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On February 05 2016 05:23 Koshi wrote: You don't understand it? Are you baiting? Should have specified the post in question. On February 05 2016 04:57 Chezinu wrote: Hey guys, Does anyone here know of any Jedi that can assist me? I was reading this book that says time is all relative and that the future can be the past or present. depending on the net time-forced applied on the system or medium you dwell. It speaks a a distance universe far far away. The author claims to have spoken to an inhabitant in a galaxy in this distant verse. I was wondering if a Jedi can help channel communication with this individual. I heard I needed to invest some resources and ship them to his galaxy in order to claim my interest in the future, but I lost the address when I lost the book. A Jedi would be useful to contact this individual. Could anyone here help me? No clue what is going on here. | ||
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On February 05 2016 05:28 Koshi wrote: lol you just claimed mafia ##unvote ##vote disformation Since you are not actually voting for me in the voting thread, I assume this is a joke? Really confused here. | ||
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On February 05 2016 05:52 Rels wrote: I don't have a read on you. I agree with ritoky that the post in question was bad though. Cool. Do you have any idea of what is going on? | ||
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I have read the invite game that was going on a while ago where chez was representing tl.net. | ||
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On February 05 2016 06:06 disformation wrote: I have read the invite game that was going on a while ago where chez was representing tl.net. Link This one. | ||
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On February 05 2016 06:25 Rels wrote: Seriously ? The OP is very badly written then. Like every role is like "he can frame", "he can assassinate", but the strongarm is "the scumteam can uses the strongarm shot". I agree and am kinda confused by this. | ||
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On February 05 2016 06:29 marvellosity wrote: no you're right. i dunno what's going on with that either :> well, call him scum for being indecipherable (ish). which you didnt Probably getting trolled by koshi, palmar and chezinu then. -.- | ||
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On February 05 2016 06:34 Chezinu wrote: Confusion is of the darkside... I thought speaking in absolutes is of the dark side? | ||
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On February 05 2016 06:36 Chezinu wrote: Welcome to the Brown Side, where Colors Do Matter! Since you are welcoming I assume this is very much a good thing? | ||
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On February 05 2016 06:50 Onegu wrote: Wait there is a chance to troll? ##Vote Disformation Bit late to that party. On February 05 2016 07:24 Damdred wrote: I have a list of 4-6 people Moosey Nm Palmar Zy Kush Onegu I probably would take palmar out for today because a few things made me go maybe palmar is town. But pretty under whelming to a point. And I understand the rest are a mix of policy, I'd rather not lynch kush today probably. If I had to lynch just one person I'd policy zyrre for faking excitement about being town and not doing anything in that time. The others can be good as town and in some cases should be given time. Kinda in a similar spot. Got a various degree of town vibe from most of the ppl that were active in the thread, leaving me without any solid scum read and a bit of paranoia towards my town reads. But I agree, super strange that Zyrre didn't show up at all today. Also MoosyDoosy hasn't posted a single post yet. *rolleyes* | ||
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On the other hand I am not really feeling this NVT reaction test thing and he might be trying to discredit NM. *scratches head* Can anyone or did anyone confirm that VA does a lot of reaction tests or stuff? | ||
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On February 04 2016 12:50 NocturneMage wrote: I'm looking at the interactions between disformation and you - I was trying to answer for myself whether his read on you was scummy/trustworthy, not my read on you. You are looking okay I think so far. I'm trying to take a closer look at disformation. I think that taking a closer look thing hasn't happened yet. Just sayin'. | ||
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On February 05 2016 08:05 Damdred wrote: That zyrre post is so bad for so many reasons I got parroting, looks constructed and pushing/scum reading the most convenient target in noon. Also the timing of that post + lotsa excuses. Did I miss something? On February 05 2016 08:06 ritoky wrote: my town is something like: ritoky, rels, jat, disfo, darth maybe town is like: damdred, marv, koshi, kush fuck you is: boxerfred and i think there's probably a mafia between VA and NM. Gut agrees with one scum between VA and NM. Head can't figure out which one is more likely. | ||
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i am pretty sure nm is scum. will explain later. [b]##vote: NocturneMage[\b] hint: why would someone who really does not like meta make a huge meta case he probablx does not believe in. | ||
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On February 05 2016 20:27 justanothertownie wrote: Why would a mafia who said he dislikes meta make a meta case? he did the same in nsm18. | ||
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On February 04 2016 13:07 NocturneMage wrote: If you mean MY meta reads, I try and stick to people that I play a bit more often with. And even then I'm under the 10 or wahtever game threshold to really make that a great read, so I generally defer to other shit. If you mean others' meta reads on people I don't really trust them, and I use interactions or other ways of evaluating people. Base line is: after him posting this I don't think he would believe in a meta read as the sole base for a read. Especially when he refers to a lot of games he didn't played in as he did in his case on Palmar: + Show Spoiler + On February 05 2016 15:45 NocturneMage wrote: Why I have a bad feeling Palmar could be mafia Palmar - read the following games for a compare/contrast: Tropical Storm, Down Under 3, Generic Boring. - In Generic Boring, he was dead wrong everywhere but he was assertive as all hell, was n1ed - Tropical Storm, looks like one right read, one wrong one (Damdred/rsoultin) but here, he goes pushing rsoultin on voting record, and is adamant he knew when to drop a townread on someone/knowing whom to sheep, not seeing that here. Important because a number of people in reading this thread are saying "game is hard" to some extent. They all can't be mafia. A cursory look through Palmar's filter - no strong town reads (i.e. I would sheep so and so) - Down Under 3 - Here, another example of one of his "absolutist" posts. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/490661-mini-mafia-down-under-3?page=52#1026 Checking OP, all but one of these are wrong. Note: I purposely ignored PYP because a) it was a themed game b) multiple mafia teams The big contrast for me is tone. I'm seeing a lot of conditionals in this game (i.e. bf might be mafia), and a lot of absolutes in the above three games. Like he's so sure of himself even when he's wrong. The one thing I notice is his main involvement with JAT/marv/Koshi - two of which I'm townreading. Leads into the big contrast is his normal meta of lynching the inactives, the scummy players, etc. I'm looking for a push or even a trifle of anything against the sheer number of lower content players or even (almost universally?) scumread/discussed myself. Nothing. From Tropical Storm - and I know he applied this in PYP Finally I re-read his Outlaw Mafia filter for day 1 to refresh his day 1 scum play (go to his filter - read pages 1-3, day 1 ends at page 3) - and I'll be honest - his game so far here is a lot closer to his Day 1 play in Outlaw. I think people should read it - there's a lot of missing town tells that were present in the three games I discussed above. He is mainly talking about Tropical Storm, Down Under 3, Generic Boring. Three games he didn't play in. Compare that to his opinion about meta reads. Makes doubly no sense. In Outlaw Mafia town!NocturneMage mentions meta in a few places, but only refers to Dark Tournament where he had recently played together with a few ppl that were in Outlaw as well (Palmar/The Shining). More importantly: 90% of his arguments are based on logic and what actually happened in Outlaw. What gives me a bit of a pause is that town!NocturneMage did use a similar meta approach to highlight that meta did not make LS town that game. But he kinda used meta to defuse a meta argument, which makes it more believable. Link to his meta post on LS. In NSM 18 scum!NocturneMage did post day 1 that he really does not like meta. Link. And then proceeds to use a lot of meta based arguments later that game. Link Link Link Link Granted in hindsight his post this game looks way more than his approach in Dark Tournament than in NSM 18. Still don't think he does honestly believe his case on Palmar though. Why would scum!NM post a meta case after saying he didn't like meta? Well, why would town!NM post a meta read he can't possibly believe? Well, the post sure looks like he did a lot of work digging up old stuff... TBH after finding his meta thing on LS in Dark Tournament I am less sure about him being scum for this, but I am still not liking him this game a single bit. So yeah, still think he has a solid chance of being scum. Will reread his filter later, when I am back at home. | ||
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Comments on my meta thing on NM? Not 100% sure if I just want my shitty "trap" to have worked, but I can't seriously wrap my head around why town!NM would try to make a meta based case and then not really go anywhere with it. Like sure he has a list of ppl he would lynch, but he isn't really pushing any of them. | ||
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No clue why anyone would give me town credits for. How do you spend these things? | ||
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Fair enough. + Show Spoiler + Seeing that you are voting palmar I gather that you like NM and agree with the meta thing on palmar? Can you explain these things to me? Does my point on NM probably not believing this meta thing on palmar change anything for you or do you think I am wrong? | ||
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On February 06 2016 00:01 marvellosity wrote: I don't actually think much of NM either way. I did write my own explanation post my vote if you want to check my filter. I mostly read your explanation on the meta, except I didn't get the feeling it was very strong because there was some "uh, well actually he did use some meta here as town actually...". If you feel your point is stronger than that, feel free to punch me with a couple of sentences why you feel what you're saying is right. I'll pay attention Hm fair enough. Finding that LS read did take a lot of fire and conviction out of my argument against NM. Still want him explain it though. | ||
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On February 05 2016 20:07 marvellosity wrote: just to be clear: (apparently i like to write this this game when i vote for someone) i voted Palmar and then flicked through his filter. Tonally i don't see much that feels off in his filter. But he actually has quite a few posts and they haven't led anywhere. If Palmar is being lazy town I'd expect less posts. It's a bad post/decisively doing things ratio for him. in short: poking with a stick, might well keep poking right up to the end if i don't get my nuts off by then Hmm... must have missed this. Kinda like this explanation. Fits with my own experiences with palmar in dark tournament and PYP and thus is easier to relay to then a meta read by someone who does not like meta reads. Need to do some thinking about who I really want to lynch today. | ||
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On February 06 2016 00:44 VayneAuthority wrote: I can also agree with kush and policy moosydoosy for excessive emoticon use AKA the rsoultin law If you go for mass emoticon use, shouldn't you want to lynch me? | ||
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Though damdy seems inclined to believe marvs assessment of Palmar and I like sheeping damdy. | ||
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On February 06 2016 00:50 disformation wrote: Yeah, I am a bit surprised how easily ppl are voting Palmar, mainly over a meta read from a person who does not believe in meta. I like marvs explanation for his palmar vote a lot more, but I am not sure if I want to sheep marv. Though damdy seems inclined to believe marvs assessment of Palmar and I like sheeping damdy. Will take a bit of a break and be back later. | ||
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think you are town va. super waffly about nm. gut may very well be wrong here. | ||
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flower. kinda dont want to lynch anyone atm. xD | ||
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On February 06 2016 01:23 VayneAuthority wrote: HTS changed the rules just for you my man, no lynch is now a viable option! Don't think a no lynch is good for town today. Sadly. xD | ||
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On February 05 2016 09:57 Chezinu wrote: Ok, guys I have a confession to make... I may have graduated from the Academy... I have defected. But you guys can trust me. My dearest friend is, I believe, a Jedi in the making. So. Here chez says that he defected from the Jedi academy. One of the first things that come to mind is that he turned his back on the academy and turned to the dark side. But why would he admit to leaving the academy in the first place if this would be true? I also don't think he has displayed the classical strong emotions that are typical a tell of the dark side. I think he had a dispute with the teachings of the academy and left them in order to take a more active stance in assisting the resistance against the first order. Thus I think Chez is town aligned 3rd party. Also didn't we just have someone displaying a lot of anger in the thread? | ||
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On February 05 2016 08:25 Zyrre wrote: By timing you mean that you and disinfo started commenting about me? It was like 20-30 minutes before I posted. If you think I read through the thread and formulated my post in that amount of time you are severely overestimating me. Yeah, meant that. Kinda had that feeling earlier again. | ||
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On February 06 2016 02:57 NocturneMage wrote: I started at 3am CET, I crashed somewhere between 8/8:30. This is day 1. And if you look at the votes, consolidation on day 1 is a mess. If you're town you want to consolidate. If I - or others - can come up with preferred lynches based on things I feel make them mafia, be it meta (yes it can be used properly, I didn't ignore your post), or be it lack of direction (see marv's last post), then I don't see what the problem is. People also had trouble understanding my previous arguments against VA, so I re-presented it ignoring myself (bias). I feel there's adequate cause for being scummy. That said, I want to ask you disformation, why you are not asking this same question of VA. He has said dick all prior to my "why Palmar could be mafia post". (Yes I realise I'm voting WITH him on Palmar, but that's besides the point, other townreads are doing so, and we can see based on the flip what is going on. I am confident in a red flip and then we can evaluate the context of how people got there.) Nice try deflecting my questions by asking me about VA. town!NM considers point from multiple angles. Don't see that in your approach of Palmar. And yes you ignored my post. You also didn't answer my question why some meta points on Palmar apply and others don't. Makes me think even more that you don't believe your meta read on Palmar. | ||
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On February 06 2016 03:14 justanothertownie wrote: I know. I just wanted to emphasize this once again. I do not want to vote with NM. | ||
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On February 06 2016 03:07 NocturneMage wrote: disformation, my last point was because it's a double standard in how you are applying "thread sentiment" between myself and VA. Also you want to talk about Dark Tournament (Noon, pay attention please, I think this also answers some of your concern on my case too) - even in Dark Tournament day 2, you remember when HTS got lynched. Palmar was lazy as fuck that game but HE STILL HAD DIRECTION. He came in and used his "lazy filter criteria" to correctly place the vote on HTS. Even if you don't like my case, even if you don't like me, you cannot ignore marv's logic. HE HAD MORE DIRECTION ON A LAZY DAY IN DARK TOURNAMENT THAN HE DOES HERE. This isn't about me liking you or your case, this about me thinking your approach to this is super scumy. | ||
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On February 06 2016 03:30 Koshi wrote: I am not sure. If Palmar didn't omgus JAT and then left I wouldn't even consider him as possible mafia. Palmar as town can be shit and 100% afk. I have played more than enough times with Palmar to know this. If we vote Palmar and he flips town we just lost an important player for nothing. And I wouldn't even be surprised if it happened. Pure coin flip lynch and results can be disastrous. But if people want to do it I am not opposing the lynch vocally. This. Can we 100% lynch NM D2, if Palmar flips town? You can 100% lynch me D3, if NM flips town. Even though that would mean giving scum 3 ML. xD | ||
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On February 06 2016 03:39 justanothertownie wrote: No, we can 100 % see day2 who we want to lynch day2 and there won't be any stupid bargains like this. If you are suddenly so convinced then make a conclusive case on NM.
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On February 06 2016 03:46 justanothertownie wrote: [1] Not scummy. [2] Not scummy. [3] Not sure what kind of evidence you are talking about or how NM "ignored" it. [4] Not scummy. [5] Needs a more detailed explanation. Yes. [1] is not AI alone. But combined with [2] it is. Why would he make a case he can not believe in. [4]: He could easily have voted earlier if he thinks Palmar is scum. Not leave his option open sitting on a list of four ppl. [5]:+ Show Spoiler + On February 06 2016 02:57 NocturneMage wrote: I started at 3am CET, I crashed somewhere between 8/8:30. This is day 1. And if you look at the votes, consolidation on day 1 is a mess. If you're town you want to consolidate. If I - or others - can come up with preferred lynches based on things I feel make them mafia, be it meta (yes it can be used properly, I didn't ignore your post), or be it lack of direction (see marv's last post), then I don't see what the problem is. People also had trouble understanding my previous arguments against VA, so I re-presented it ignoring myself (bias). I feel there's adequate cause for being scummy. That said, I want to ask you disformation, why you are not asking this same question of VA. He has said dick all prior to my "why Palmar could be mafia post". (Yes I realise I'm voting WITH him on Palmar, but that's besides the point, other townreads are doing so, and we can see based on the flip what is going on. I am confident in a red flip and then we can evaluate the context of how people got there.) Will look at some of Palmar's filter and try to come back with opinions on [3] again. | ||
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On February 06 2016 03:47 NocturneMage wrote: disformation, let's just give you a hypothetical. If I was modkilled and you didn't have to consider me, whom would you vote for? Hm. Would sheep damdred. | ||
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On February 06 2016 03:56 justanothertownie wrote: [1][2] Why would he do something so blatantly contradictory as mafia? What's the scum motivation? Nah, this is not scummy. [4] So what? I often wait until the last minute to place my vote even if I voiced suspicions earlier. That's not scummy. [5] I don't get it. This is just a disguised [4]. [1][2] He did so as scum in a previous game and got away with it. Looking at Palmar's filters. Yeah, the DT filter looks better than here, but I also like his Outlaw filter more than this. Soo... I don't think this is good enough to lynch him D1 imo. On the other hand I haven't got huge town vibes on him either. Bit in a pickle. Maybe I should just stop being so fucking stubborn over this and sheep marv + damdy. | ||
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can't read noon/kush for shit tbh and have reservations about lynching palmar. | ||
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On February 06 2016 04:05 NocturneMage wrote: Did you read marv's arguments against him? On February 06 2016 00:27 disformation wrote: Hmm... must have missed this. Kinda like this explanation. Fits with my own experiences with palmar in dark tournament and PYP and thus is easier to relay to then a meta read by someone who does not like meta reads. Need to do some thinking about who I really want to lynch today. Apparently, yes. =D | ||
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On February 06 2016 04:09 justanothertownie wrote: I think the mentioned cases are strong enough without meta but what exactly is your problem with the meta part of it? One that probably no one gets, since I mentioned it a few times by now. | ||
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On February 06 2016 04:16 justanothertownie wrote: No. What I heard from you is that you liked what marv had to say about Palmar which is why we are lynching him. So I ask you what your problem with that is all of a sudden? okay let me try to explain my thought process here: 1) marv has a decent reason why palmar is scum. 2) nm has a bad reason why palmar is scum + I think NM is scum for that. One of these two is apparently wrong. Unless both are right and both Palmar and NM are scum bussing for the lulz, which is highly unlikely. As a bonus I share koshi's notion about lynching Palmar D1. On the other hand: where the flower has palmar been all day. | ||
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On February 06 2016 04:20 boxerfred wrote: I want everyone's reads of noon and palmar and marv marv: probably town. Don't think he would play this much as scum + I sheep damdy's tr on him. palmar: I like marvs points, I don't like nm's points. His filter doesn't make me hard, it isn't garbage either. noon: Uh. I am super prone to scum reading him when he is town and I do not know how his scum game. Really do not like him flailing about atm, though. | ||
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Which is making me hesitant about that guy, too. | ||
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It really really really baffles me how you can say that that after posting: On February 04 2016 13:07 NocturneMage wrote: If you mean MY meta reads, I try and stick to people that I play a bit more often with. And even then I'm under the 10 or wahtever game threshold to really make that a great read, so I generally defer to other shit. If you mean others' meta reads on people I don't really trust them, and I use interactions or other ways of evaluating people. Are you sure you are town? | ||
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Also some good points on zyrre on the last page. Don't like that noon didn't want to be a jedi knight with chez. | ||
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yolo. done. | ||
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I don't believe your meta case, but I believe in you, who believes in his meta case. | ||
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On February 06 2016 04:52 nooniansoong wrote: i was scum with darth and boxer it was a disaster This one: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/501039-unoriginal-name-mini-mafia ? | ||
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On February 06 2016 05:12 ritoky wrote: how he got coached by me and 1gu and developed into who he is now is one of the great enigmas of the universe. yo, ritoky what are your thoughts on the current wagons? | ||
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On February 06 2016 05:49 NocturneMage wrote: I can see both scum and town motivations for his play right now. You've cited the scum motivation now can you see the town one? Well, he could have caught up to the thread, notice all the votes on palmar. Look at palmar and the other wagons. Find the post he pointed out in Palmar's filter and vote him I guess. So yeah options a) he is lurking b) really unfortunate timing Thing is: isn't the first time for this stuff to happen. But I like your questions for him, so I want to see his answers to that. | ||
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On February 06 2016 06:05 justanothertownie wrote: For example? And what does this tell you if true? zyrre, boxer, ritoky, noon Tells me that apparently all the ppl are pretty with where their vote is or they do not care. Which makes me nervous. | ||
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On February 06 2016 06:14 NocturneMage wrote: Also what about the people who are off wagon? Not sure I understand your question? If ppl are not on palmar they should try and push their wagon since they seem to be more confident about that. But most ppl off wagon seem to be afk/not here. So I would not make sense to complain about their sudden disappearance. Would make sense to complain about them not being here, true. | ||
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At least I got the thread to talk again. Mission accomplished. | ||
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On February 06 2016 06:29 Chezinu wrote: Are you talking about the bank or being king? Hm, I think it was the bank. Haven't read much TBH, just was investigating a bit, when tl.net decided to send you to that cross-site invent thing last year. | ||
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I think you named both palmar and zyrre apparently at random. Why Zyrre over Palmar? | ||
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On February 06 2016 06:38 boxerfred wrote: Yep and then you failed to contribute a single thing. ¿que | ||
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On February 06 2016 06:58 justanothertownie wrote: And why the fuck would "the best town player" allow his lynch so easily and wouldn't as mafia? Makes 0 sense. Yeah, that is one of the points why I am on this wagon. Not showing up after getting a wagon on oneself comes usually from scum imo. But the wagon only really started recently and he hasn't been here all day. | ||
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On February 06 2016 07:00 disformation wrote: Should probably just shut up and chill till flip unless something amazing happens. EBWOP | ||
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I don't think I have aclled him town in that post. marv bailing on the wagon worries me. =/ Where the flower are zyrre and palmar? | ||
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should I decide via coin toss like in NSM 10? That kinda fucked me over, so I think I shouldn't. I really hope damdred is right and both are scum, that would explain the difficulty I have with this. And would explain why BOTH decided to vanish. | ||
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On February 06 2016 07:35 NocturneMage wrote: I'm reading him town so that's a good thing. Got a nice town vibe from ritoky early game. | ||
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On February 06 2016 07:56 nooniansoong wrote: But I'm on my phone so I cbs to change me vote lol dafuq?! | ||
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On February 06 2016 08:18 justanothertownie wrote: If you think I would push Palmar all game and fight all day to build his wagon and then jump off at the last second like this to make me look as shit as possible as Palmars scumbuddy then you are literally insane. Me being insane is not outside the bounds of what is possible. Probably going to work on a huge wall post, cu all later. | ||
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Palmar (7): justanothertownie (1): VayneAuthority (1):MoosyDoosy nooniansoong (0): NocturneMage (0), ritoky (0): Onegu (0):, Disformation (0): MoosyDoosy (0): initial look at reasons for votes: darthfoley
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ppl who I do not really like of this and have a good chance of being scum for this: darthfoley, chezinu, marv, palmar, va, rels, ritoky, moosydoosy need to look at jat and damdred, but I need a break. I realize that this is a very crude attempt at vca, but tons of ppls and filters and timings to look at. Will try to complete and refine this during the night phase. Maybe I can at least inspire some ppl of you to look at some of this stuff. | ||
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On February 06 2016 07:51 Zyrre wrote: Will post some stuff in case I die. Noon still slightly scummy. He posted nothing at first, then posted a whole lot of nothing. Then said I was town -> null -> voted on me(basically no other reads on anyone else). So, IF palmar is mafia noon is def very scummy. marv might be playing super well mafia as he posted some on palmar but then posted a quite dubios comparison with a game from 3 years ago and switched to me. Also people switching without writing any reason, chez koshi, seems very suspicous. also we should maybe honour the dead and look at some of these. | ||
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FML. Probably takinga rbeak and going to sleep. starting tog et a headache thinking about this game. | ||
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On February 06 2016 09:37 darthfoley wrote: @disformation Uh, I didn't push the Zyrre wagon at all? It was 8 votes Palmar to 1 vote Zyrre when I expressed my concern with how easy Palmar was getting lynched and why I was concerned. I was rather vocal about Zyrre and asked people uncomfortable with lynching Palmar D1 to come to my wagon. Not sure what you mean by this... I did flesh out my reasoning for being most confident in Zyrre which you can read in my filter. You might not consider them good reasons, but I had been suspicious of Zyrre throughout D1, plus people like Rels, who I have town read drew similar conclusions. You're going to have to do better if you want to suggest this vote gives me a good chance of being scum. I am more curious about who jumped on the Zyrre wagon, and when. No. I have 0 clue. why you scum read zyrre after reading your filter, outside you not liking his first post. And yes you didn't push that wagon at all. You were deflecting ppl OFF palmar. but yes this vca is currently in a very crude state. | ||
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On February 06 2016 17:01 boxerfred wrote: You think you're a cool kid because after three games of mafia, you go down the unreadable road, right? Lol. ##vote MoosyDoosy locked until you're dead. I think he is striving to be unreadable since his very first game. Usually gets a bit better D2 or so. On February 06 2016 21:04 marvellosity wrote: yes, any vigi if he exists must must must must must must must shoot Palmar. must * 100 billion trillion. He's very likely mafia and even if he isn't, we just need to know, and we need to know now. disfo: I don't know what drugs you're on - my support for a Palmar lynch essentially gave legitimacy to the whole wagon (see attitudes of jat/damdred for example). If you think I help create the wagon on Palmar by pushing the idea he's mafia only to jump off it at the end, you are literally insane. Not 100% sure I like these "even if he is town" reasons you and VA gave, but I can still agree to the rest and while I would shoot like 16/16 ppl in the game, Palmar is the first and best choice. Well, having a huge hand in creating the Palmar wagon and then dropping it like it is hot is exactly what you did. But yes I am insane. Currently suffering from a great bout of paranoia and living in a world where everyone is scum. | ||
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On February 06 2016 21:14 marvellosity wrote: Doesn't matter if you like the reasons tbh. Eh. Meant more like reasoning. Bah I probably just really suck at what I am trying to communicate here. Lemme try again: I am not a huge fan of the "even if he is town" line of thinking, cause we really should try to shoot scum here imo. That being said I agree that Palmar is like 99% scum here, and THAT is a very very good reason to shoot him. So I agree with that shot. | ||
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On February 06 2016 21:16 marvellosity wrote: What I mean is, it's just a nonsensical moronic play for me as mafia, as I can shut down the palmar wagon virtually single handedly if I wanted. You should be able to grasp this Fair point. TBH my attempt at that vca was very ham handed, or bad. Whatever you call it, really. Partly due to me being frustrated from the D1 outcome. Also again failing to see the motivation and goals behind posts and only seeing "wat why did he unvote". Sry, my play is pretty disgusting this game, even for my standards. | ||
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Not sure how you even got on tilt boxer. Anyway, heading out for the afternoon. Will be back later. And hopefully be a bit calmed down and less paranoid. Inb4 it is really something stupid like my chez,md,onegu +1 tinfoil. Chez's vote on Zyrre stands out a lot incidentally. The thing is: not 100% sure if that is AI for chez or not. xD | ||
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even if palmar would be town (1%) i dont think all 4 scummer would sit on his wagon. imo scum tries to avoid that. so even in that scenario there should be like 1 scummer on zyrre imo. also in case of both wagons being town we can look for ppl not rly caring about the lynch. so i think i hsve a good idea here, my execution so far has been bad. xD | ||
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On February 07 2016 03:02 NocturneMage wrote: Point is, disformation is not entirely scummy, and neither is ritoky for pushing in in that direction. And regardless of whom is implicated, me, Palmar, etc, I can't see how that winds back up at ritoky. You meant to say that disformation is 100% useless and 100% town right? Cause if you are tryting to imply I'm scum I will rescind my earlier notion of probably maybe not shooting you N1. also: HI EVERYONE! =D | ||
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On February 06 2016 00:45 Shapelog wrote: Vote Count - Day 1 Palmar (3):marvellosity, justanothertownie, VayneAuthority, nooniansoong (2): Koshi, ritoky (2): boxerfred, Chezinu, justanothertownie (1): Palmar VayneAuthority (1):MoosyDoosy NocturneMage (1),disformation Onegu (1), nooniansoong Disformation (0): MoosyDoosy (0): Not Voting (6): Damdred, darthfoley, Onegu, Zyrre, ritoky, NocturneMage At this time, Palmar is slated to be lynched. Day 1 ends in on 23:00 GMT (+00:00). The voting thread is here. Only votes there will be counted. Approx. 6 hours b4 deadline. Palmar in slight lead over noon and ritoky. darthfoley then starts the zyrre wagon. He had a TR early game on Palmar and does not understand the reasons for a Palmar lynch. He mentions Zyrre serveral times in his filter, but I don't understand his scumread on zyrre because it basically boils down to "I didn't like his first post and that he did gtfo after taht". Multiple ppl had expressed a dislike of zyrre before that though. Not sure if scum would want to start a new wagon here, though. Also seems kinda invested in the push, doing a few posts to get ppl off palmar and on zyrre. Could be a bit of deflection though. The next vote on Zyrre is by nooniansong about 2h20mins b4 deadline. In the time between darthfoley starting the wagon and nooniansong joining it Palmar has gained 5 votes and was sitting at an impressive 8 votes. Meaning now is the time scum needs to decide if they want to bus (if Palmar is scum), if they want to save him (voting off Palmar) or if Palmar is town, which wagon to join. On February 06 2016 05:54 Shapelog wrote: Vote Count - Day 1 Palmar (8): marvellosity, justanothertownie, VayneAuthority, NocturneMage, Rels, disformation, Zyrre, boxerfred justanothertownie (2): Palmar, Onegu Zyrre (2): darthfoley, nooniansoong nooniansoong (1): Koshi, ritoky (1): VayneAuthority (1):MoosyDoosy NocturneMage (1), Onegu (0):, Disformation (0): MoosyDoosy (0): Not Voting (2): Damdred, ritoky, At this time, Palmar is slated to be lynched. Day 1 ends in on 23:00 GMT (+00:00). The voting thread is here. Only votes there will be counted. noon does a very weakish defense for palmar. Early game he was scumming zyrre. Then he TR's zyrre. Then he moves him to null again. scum reads him. votes him. TR's zyrre again when he comes back near deadline. Can't unvote cuz phone... but he can post here? Note how both darthfoley and noon are like "I don't understand the case on Palmar". 1h50 before DL Chez joins the Zyrre train. Cause he doesn't like lynching Palmar. k. Only previous mention of both zyrre and Palmar is picking both during the game he played with ritoky and MD... Doesn't seem very invested here. next up is boxerfred earlier he had a scum lean on palmar. -> later reads palmar's filter and thinks palmar is town. -> third person to not understand why palmar is voted on. Zyrre is kinda hard to get a grip on -> says zyrre is conf. scum for voting palmar -> agrees with jat on one of zyrre's posts being bad -> votes zyrre Seems kinda on tilt. invested I guess. marv scum reads both palmar and zyrre. for palmar he has a non meta read about palmars lack of wow for zyrre he has a meta read of age old games. after having his vote on palmar for a long time, he switches his vote to zyrre ~50mins b4 deadline and gtfo's. Doesn't sound really invested because of that, but I think scum would be more likely to keep there vote on palmar. damdred votes zyrre 35mins b4 deadline, bringing it to: On February 06 2016 07:31 Half the Sky wrote: Vote Count - Day 1 Palmar (6): Zyrre (6): darthfoley, nooniansoong, Chezinu, boxerfred, marvellosity, Damdred justanothertownie (2): Palmar, Onegu nooniansoong (1): Koshi, VayneAuthority (1):MoosyDoosy NocturneMage (0), ritoky (0): Onegu (0):, Disformation (0): MoosyDoosy (0): Not Voting (1): ritoky At this time, Palmar is slated to be lynched. Day 1 ends in on 23:00 GMT (+00:00). The voting thread is here. Only votes there will be counted. Well documented scum reads on both zyrre and palmar throughout his filter. has a hard time settling on who he wants to lynch harder. switches to palmar close to the end, after noon wasn't able to switch his vote. again not sure why scum would want to switch around here. consider if palmar is town. koshi says he likes one of zyrre's posts -> "Voted zyrre. Way better lynch than palmar." as a strong TR on Palmar throughout D1. But his vote came very damn late. 18mins. This timing sucks. Double check if he was around. He might have been waiting to figure out if he should try and save a mate or not. Of course depends on the palmar flip. His vote saved Palmar from the lynch at the time he voted. On the other hand this looks so very bad that I am not sure if scum would do this. -.- JAT and Palmar himself vote last minute and save palmar. On February 06 2016 08:15 justanothertownie wrote: Because of this post and the weird last second push from ritoky/damdred and Kush earlier. Didn't feel right. Also I skimmed the Zyrre filter marv linked earlier and it really is night and day -.- Again, somewhat suspect timing. Makes no sense if palmar is scum. So we have a bunch of ppl with odd timings that are suspicious but too obv. if Palmar is scum. These are: JAT, Koshi chez looks straight up pretty bad not sure if I like noon here. TBH, besides Chez I don't see any really scummy things here. =/ Hope we get more infos from the night actions. Please continue my work, should I get dieded later. | ||
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chez looks pretty bad. Otherwise I didn't get huge scum vibes from any of the voter on zyrre. koshi's vote looks kinda bad from the timing... but it looks sooo bad that I am not sure scum would actually do this. Would need to look at koshi's filter again, cause I wouldn't want to scum read only based on this. | ||
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On February 07 2016 05:59 disformation wrote: for marv, koshi, jat and to a lesser extend damdred it doesnt make much sense to display this behaviour as scum. especially if palmar is indeed scum. | ||
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On February 07 2016 06:05 VayneAuthority wrote: Don't, I can help you figure out the night kills, that and voting is my specialty. Feel free to keep posting random troll shit you may or may not believe in to mindfuck mafia though, that's all night is good for. You mean like my JAT+NM+MARV+1 of MD/Chez/Onegu/noon tinfoil should palmar be town? | ||
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On February 07 2016 06:07 VayneAuthority wrote: mafia team is JAT, marv, koshi, palmar I will be pushing them tomorrow does that mean we have like a 50% tinfoil mindmeld? join the army brother! + Show Spoiler + | ||
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On February 07 2016 06:13 MoosyDoosy wrote: XD i was actually about to suggest this. Best scum team evar. THE TINFOIL ARMY GROWS! | ||
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On February 07 2016 06:14 MoosyDoosy wrote: yes I am team with noon + Onegu + Chezinu. lolol I bet your QT is even more exciting than the actual game! :D | ||
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On February 07 2016 07:52 Koshi wrote: Maybe I just shoot ritoky. what do you think of shooting into those guys: On February 07 2016 06:06 disformation wrote: You mean like my JAT+NM+MARV+1 of MD/Chez/Onegu/noon tinfoil should palmar be town? ? | ||
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Palmar (7): justanothertownie (1): VayneAuthority (1):MoosyDoosy nooniansoong (0): NocturneMage (0), ritoky (0): Onegu (0):, Disformation (0): MoosyDoosy (0): | ||
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On February 07 2016 08:18 disformation wrote: Zyrre (8): darthfoley, nooniansoong, Chezinu, boxerfred, marvellosity, Palmar (7): justanothertownie (1): VayneAuthority (1):MoosyDoosy nooniansoong (0): NocturneMage (0), ritoky (0): Onegu (0):, Disformation (0): MoosyDoosy (0): why did chez and bf vote ritoky again? | ||
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can always tinfoil after the palmar flip. votings palmar. | ||
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On February 07 2016 08:49 darthfoley wrote: JAT and Damdred voted for Palmar. If that's the case, why does ritoky die? Bluehunting good townies x2? On February 07 2016 08:18 disformation wrote: Zyrre (8): darthfoley, nooniansoong, Chezinu, boxerfred, marvellosity, Palmar (7): justanothertownie (1): VayneAuthority (1):MoosyDoosy nooniansoong (0): NocturneMage (0), ritoky (0): Onegu (0):, Disformation (0): MoosyDoosy (0): all three were voting palmar. jat unvoted at the last second, but was clear that palmar would need to die. | ||
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On February 07 2016 09:09 darthfoley wrote: I remember reading that someone has the best read on Palmar. I think it was either marv or JAT. I can't find the quote though IIRC and it's marv, wouldn't the marv kill make more sense from mafia!Palmar, especially because marv ended up voting Zyrre EoD because it was the higher % play? Yeah, I think that was marv. Might not have shot him for the WIFOM? Hmmmm... Scum might have accepted losing Palmar and tried to shoot ppl that were more dangerous for their other mates? Really getting into wifom land here though. Will try to work on a few tinfoils for both cases (town!Palmar and scum!Palmar) tomorrow, if the day is as dead as I fear it to be. | ||
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On February 07 2016 09:27 NocturneMage wrote: meh....it could be wifom (what other choice do they have), it could be not, it could be a medic dodge, who knows. GGs JAT/ritoky/Damdred. My vote is on Palmar, and is staying on Palmar all cycle. Good night. maybe it is a lemon-tree? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On February 07 2016 09:40 MoosyDoosy wrote: disfo, give me a beat. + Show Spoiler + throwing in a complete rap battle to the beat. rejoice in my generosity. actually scum didn't kill the two most vocal ppl on the palmar train. NM and Marv. Oh wifom, oh wifom. Well. Here is the thing: we have between 0-1 scums. Who are the other 3-4? Filter reading time tomorrow evening. | ||
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On February 07 2016 10:39 Half the Sky wrote: Vote Count - Day 2 Palmar (6): marvellosity, disformation, Koshi, VayneAuthority, NocturneMage, MoosyDoosy, Not voted (7): Palmar, Rels, darthfoley, Onegu, Chezinu, boxerfred, nooniansoong At this time, Palmar is slated to be lynched. Day 2 ends in on 23:00 GMT (+00:00). The voting thread is here. Only votes there will be counted. random thought of the night: ppl voting for palmar: town 4 of the non voters: scum cause nearly all the no voters were also like the ppl not voting palmar d1. lets see if they put in some time to find alt wagons or join in voting palmar for whatever reasons. not 100% serious. not 100% not serious. | ||
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On February 07 2016 21:11 boxerfred wrote: The kills revolved around people that are imho capable of leading town. Damdred is a great player, jat and ritoky have some reputation too. Now the thing is that all of them were voting palmar, too. I am trying to figure out why they died. Given that at least the Damdred kill was based on mafia being afraid of him, id say that marv scum. He should have the highest town reputation in here. That only counts under the premise that no vig shot was involved .it a vig shot was involved ,it was a bad shot. I dont think vig wouldever shoote outside of palmar or nooniansong so i think we have had three scum shots. Given that marv feels off to me, i can see him being scum. We desperately needed a noon or palmar flip imho to be able to analyze d1 votes. So question is do we lynch palmar now for the late information or Do we guess ob another scum member? Chez, md and onegu remain unreadable to me so i feel like the game remains volatile. We need to look into ritokys reads, especoally in regard to disfomration. Ritokys initial case on hin should be reciewed again given that he flipped town. Also jats reads gain importance now. Not sure why marv would be afraid of damdred? Why do we desperately need a noon flip? Not sure how much info that gives us. What case on me? He just said my post was terrible but not AI. He later had a TR on me. Also are you trying to suggest that I am scum? Dunno you seems somewhat obsessive about me and that is irritating. ritoky reads: damdred reads: On February 06 2016 07:44 Damdred wrote: Honestly I'm thinking the mafia team is like palmar onegu and ry with someone else. And I'm thinking onegu is coming back last minute to hammer the least wanted team mate. And I think I could be wrong on palmar to some degree my gut says mafia though. But zyrre has been pretty scummy today. On February 06 2016 00:03 Damdred wrote: So, I've read the thread and its all over the place voting wise and that's sorta meh at this junction so we need to get it down to a couple targets and ho from there. If be ok sort of going for palmar, onegu, zyree and chez is an outliner. I don't think nm/va/kush are worth a lynch today or moosey as I think moose is town. NM post on palmar isn't bad at all though hard to meta but Marv says lynch palmar. So maybe I should put my eggs with Marv and tide and die some jat reads?: On February 07 2016 03:23 justanothertownie wrote: No idea why he is still in the game. On February 07 2016 03:36 justanothertownie wrote: What do we learn? I mean you are all acting like he is confirmed mafia anyways. So... for some reason jat didn't really write out his reads... did I miss something here? Common theme: all 3 didn't like Onegu at all. Unfortunately I have no time right now cause RL stuff. But I will be back later this evening and read some filters. We need to look at more stuff. As I said earlier there are still 3-4 scums out there and if we don't get much discussion going this day it is bad for town. mkay. | ||
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On February 07 2016 22:17 Chezinu wrote: Marv boxer disformation Is that your town list or your scum list? | ||
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On February 07 2016 22:38 nooniansoong wrote: Good news. I can feel myself beginning to care a little. Would be more impressed if you like had some reads to share or something. | ||
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Looking at some filters. @ NocturneMage: are your reads still: town: marv, ritoky, boxerfred, darthfoley, disformation scum: VA, Koshi and Palmar ? You have somewhat implied a scum lean on Rels and Me. Is that a legit scum read or only mild concern? Who would you lynch if Palmar was modkilled for some reason. | ||
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I like that he was able to step back and reevaluate NM. I also like a few other posts and his tone. Didn't really like the suggestion for a NVT to claim. There are also not that many reads in his filter imo. Would like him to put out a few more of those. | ||
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Meanwhile I wasn't able to find a single read in darthfoley's filter. Like he has a bunch of "I dislike x" and "I like y" but besides being most confident in zyrre being scum he has not a single solid read. | ||
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On February 08 2016 01:20 disformation wrote: I think JAT said something about Koshi's vote not being scum indicative. Meanwhile I wasn't able to find a single read in darthfoley's filter. Like he has a bunch of "I dislike x" and "I like y" but besides being most confident in zyrre being scum he has not a single solid read. Oh sry I missed that he has a TR on Rels. | ||
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On February 08 2016 01:30 Rels wrote: Dunno, while I agree he doesn't have strong reads, his posts shows a very townie mindset IMO. Especially when he explained why he didn't vote Palmar and started to Zyrre wagon by himself. Why he preferred Zyrre to Palmar is very clearly stated, contrary to some other people (Koshi, Chez ...). There is also the fact that both Damdred and ritoky townread him for his attitude as a newbie. Ritoky in particular, his read was "either Darth has improved a lot as scum or he's town". Doesn't help with the fact that I have no clue, where his reads are at. Also: The flower? MD has actual reads and they even make sense? Oo | ||
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On February 08 2016 02:25 VayneAuthority wrote: I see no reason to not think that the scum team is just like palmar/onegu/chez/moosy. I'm having the same problem as damdred this game. There are a few outliers like boxerfred/koshi/darth that have made me feel uneasy but everyone else i am pretty town on. And these only because they voted for zyrre when im pretty sure palmar is mafia. Dunno. That would make a lot of sense, since a lot of ppl are really struggling to get solid scum reads off, including me. On the other hand I am super paranoid about scenarios, where palmar is not scum and we have like 1-2 ppl playing a damn good scum game. So I am really not in favour of doing nothing until palmar shows up (or does not show up). | ||
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On February 08 2016 02:31 boxerfred wrote: That would mean that scum hit with their weird big gun and no vig shot was fired. It feels a bit like TMI what you're saying. You're a bit too sure. The big gun only kills power roles. None of the flipped ppl were a power role. | ||
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On February 08 2016 02:35 boxerfred wrote: so we're all clean with a Palmar lynch now? Unless he dumps the most majestic town rainbow into the thread tomorrow, yes. aaaand TBH: since he did that as scum in Outlaw. Come into the thread the evening b4 he was lynched and doing a massive effort in diving filters, that is. We should still lynch him. -.- | ||
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Also: On February 06 2016 07:59 Palmar wrote: i thought i was safe, sorry gg "Sry, guys I thought it was safe for me to do jack today." Sounds more like an apology to his scum mates. But let us see what he brings tomorrow. TBH I kinda just want him to flip. Worrying about all those tinfoils is exhausting, since I am not even sure if I need to tinfoil (can be as easy as Palmar/Onegu/+1/+1). | ||
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On February 08 2016 03:20 NocturneMage wrote: Wasn't random. Friday morning, I read Palmar's filter this game and same with Koshi's before I read other games. And the former especially in light of his performance in PYP and what I recall of Outlaw. That's why I tried to read more of his. Even at his most laziest there was Dark Tournament, which was a contrast to the games I read where he had either more solid town performances or where he wasn't accurate, more performances where he was invested or opinionated if that makes any sense. Additionally, I had zero interaction with Palmar, and the limited I had with Koshi wasn't very good or didn't leave me a good impression of him. I also had concerns about Koshi's lack of followup with ritoky and his reaction to me was just really meh. Also as for marv, when I originally read his filter I liked the pokes he made on Palmar and VA. Re: post-lynch, him falling in the same category where he switches to Zyrre last minute doesn't make him scum, esp when he looked at both players - JAT did the same thing. Hmpf. I should probably stop being so paranoid. Nah, paranoid is good. Okay, looked at Palmar's DT filter. Way better than here. Not sure if I buy that interaction thing. Like you seem like a way more logical-finding-contradictions-in-filters type of player. How is koshi switching his votes different from jat and marv switching votes? | ||
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On February 08 2016 03:29 marvellosity wrote: I'm saving my energy for potentially a grand ding dong with palmar Who would you lynch if Palmar was modkilled? I didn't find many reads in yo filter. | ||
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On February 08 2016 03:36 NocturneMage wrote: Investment in respective wagons, which I'm pretty sure Rels touched on in his case. General voting analysis rule - the more investment someone has in a given wagon, the more likely they are to be town. I don't understand this. All three switched. So they aren't very invested by default. | ||
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On February 08 2016 03:37 disformation wrote: I don't understand this. All three switched. So they aren't very invested by default. Ugh nevermind. He was TRing Palmar the whole damn day, yet only votes 18mins b4 deadline? On the other hand too scummy to be scummy. | ||
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On February 08 2016 03:37 NocturneMage wrote: disformation - You should be aware by now how invested JAT/marv were in the Palmar wagons. BY CONTRAST, Koshi was not as invested in the Zyrre wagon (amount of time/rationale). Am I making sense here? I'm going to use the first part of Rels' case to show you what I mean. I don't think marv was invested at all. | ||
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On February 08 2016 03:40 NocturneMage wrote: at all????? Are you not understanding what I mean by time and effort? He likes your case on palmar (without ever having a read on you). Flicks through palmar's filter. writes a 3 liner on palmar. writes a slightly better explanation on palmar b4 he leaves. Comes back switches to zyrre (who granted he also had a scumread on though I find that one dubious). So no I am not really seeing effort and time here. | ||
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On February 08 2016 03:47 Palmar wrote: Friendly reminder that I am not mafia Cool. Can you tell us who are not your team mates? | ||
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Taking applications as to why I should sheep you, when I can start sheeping you and what your plans are to solve this game by day 3. Thank you guys. | ||
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On February 08 2016 03:50 marvellosity wrote: It's like you're trying to paint me in the worst possible light, it's kinda annoying. You find my read on Zyrre dubious? Why? I explained exactly why Jat (town lest we forget) totally agreed with the difference between the two Zyrre filters. Tldr: you're annoying Yeah, sry currently extremely paranoid and conf. biasing over everyone. Should step back and do something else until palmar gets back. Though I think you and NM are probably unlikely scum if palmar flips red, Adn I am giving him a higher % to be red. | ||
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On February 08 2016 04:11 NocturneMage wrote: This next post is mainly for Rels and disformation regarding Moosy Doosy - Day 1 - read pages 39 through 41 Night 1/Day 2 Can either of you - or anyone else if you wish - comment on these reads by MoosyDoosy here? Something feels off but I can't put my finger on it. His criteria for reading me is completely wrong, whether it's contrived is 50/50. I've only played with him twice. The thing with my questioning on day 1 if you read through page 42 I think is he eventually bailed when I talked to him as to why he was scumreading ritoky. It felt weird and "it's Day 1" doesn't cut it. Just answer the question and then leave. Rels especially his read on you, and especially how you scumread me for not being logical day 1 versus him townreading me day 1 for being convoluted. It's just weird. Also I told him there's no way his read circles back to ritoky as mafia. Also his following Day 2 was telling me to spit out fire - I'm assuming reads - but looking through his filter I think if anyone needs to spit out reads, I think it's him, quite frankly. He has marv/DF as town d1 and concerns with Rels. That's it. hmmm... well as I said earlier you are imo a very logical and reason based player to me. So him saying that using big wordy logical arguments, but giving him a town feel with those things, is not very odd for me. Especially if he has not thaaat much experience with you. Sounds more like a "i am not fan of those big complicated wordy things, but your tone is town, so imma TR you". Like does he necessarily need to be able to understand your points to give your a TR for your tone? Seems something MD would do. His soul read claim on Rels is pretty odd especially since he seems a bit waffly on Rels. Would like for Rels to comment on this too. Otherwise he imo has a scum read on: kush, Palmar and boxer and TR on: NM, marv and darthfoley. Yeah, most of them don't come with much reasoning, but those are more reads than other ppl (e.g. darth, VA, Onegu, marv, chez, palmar, ...) have. Super not sure on MD's alignment though. Can see him play this way as either alignment. Leaning town for at least having a bunch of reads out... on the other hand MD somewhat trying seems to be more scum indicative usually... btw: Point is, disformation is not entirely scummy, and neither is ritoky for pushing in in that direction. And regardless of whom is implicated, me, Palmar, etc, I can't see how that winds back up at ritoky. that was why I was asking about whether you scum read me or not. Cause "not entirely" implies that I am somewhat scummy at the very least. | ||
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On February 08 2016 04:28 darthfoley wrote: Meh why would mafia!Palmar play such a weak mafia game? He seems like a player who could be quite directive with the Town conversation as mafia D1. He's basically asking to get lynched. It just seems too lynch-baity, even if we kinda have to do it. Why would town!Palmar play such a weak town game? He nearly wrecked PYP and got like 7/8 scummers that game. | ||
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aren't all 3 of them players that can lead/drive town into a decent direction? | ||
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On February 08 2016 06:27 darthfoley wrote: Especially if Palmar is town Problem with that: I see not much reason for thinking Palmar is town besides a lot of crazy tinfoil theories. Like I liked a very early interaction I had with him, but looking at his filter this is pretty much it. | ||
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On February 08 2016 06:41 nooniansoong wrote: anytime you question marv about anything you are horrendous, on drugs, or scum. Can I be all three of these things? Especially the drug part seems appealing right now | ||
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On February 08 2016 06:48 NocturneMage wrote: I can think of a reason - if someone pushes too many of their scumbuddies and they are still alive, people will start to wonder why they are alive. Or what is the motivation for mafia to not kill someone who has killed 2+ scum on a 4-player scumteam. I played with bf only once, in newbie 14....he's relatively new right? Started around the same time as me? I think my second game was his first. I have heard that he struggles a bit as town and has huge variances in activity due to RL. Has more games than either of us. 9 According to DB. Oh yeah. He gets misslynched a lot: [S] Newbie Student Mafia X Mafia Goon Endgamed Night 5 [M][N] I Still Cant Believe its not Themed Mafia Town Vanilla Lynched Day 4 [N] Mafia in the Himalayas Town Vanilla Lynched Day 1 [N] TL Mafia LXXI: Gaiden Town Vanilla Endgamed Day 6 [M][N] Mini Mafia Down Under 3 Town Vanilla Lynched Day 4 [M][N] TL Mafia LXXII: Gaiden 2 Town Vanilla Lynched Day 1 [S] Newbie Student Mafia XIV: Firefly Town Vanilla Lynched Day 3 [S] Student Mafia XVI Mafia Vanilla Lynched Day 3 [M][N] Haunted Mansion Mini Mafia Town Vanilla Modkilled Day 2 | ||
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On February 08 2016 07:23 marvellosity wrote: it's 100% ridiculous. in scummarv vs townpalmar scenario, getting rid of Palmar immediately is a huge win for me and there is less than 0% chance i would switch to zyrre when i could stick on Palmar. Less than 0% is an impossible and non-existent figure, that's how outlandish it is. Hmmm... fair enough. Changing up my tinfoil hats a bit. | ||
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Chez/Onegu/MD Onegus filter is literally: "sry sick" "reading" "still catching up". And while him being sick and trying to catch up to the thread sucks and is understandable, we have 0 clue as to what his alignment is. | ||
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On February 08 2016 07:46 marvellosity wrote: i definitely think chez is on the mafia side of a coinflip, i've given a few reasons over the course of the game. Maybe I am really either seeing no scum or scum everywhere because it really is something hilarious like Palmar/MD/Cherz/+1 of boxer, noon, Onegu... -.- | ||
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On February 08 2016 07:51 NocturneMage wrote: Fair enough, but my interactions with MD have been limited and overall not a great impression so far. He's only had interactions with only two players who are still alive in the game, marv and myself. Follow the most recent exchange between us and you'll know what I mean. The only other criteria for MD is his vote day 1. Solo vote is always bad. Yeah, fair enough. I just really don't like that contradiction. Especially since you also did it in NSM 18. On February 08 2016 07:52 marvellosity wrote: remember the whole game doesn't need to get solved right now we kill one mafia at a time and get more and more information over time. Also fair enough. It just bothers me that I don't have any really good scum reads beside Palmar and a bunch of ppl who are doing jack. So I am trying to not let this day go to waste while we are waiting for the palmar flip. Should probably lay of the paranoia and tinfoils a lot. xD But you are right I have seen a lot scummers start out pretty well only to fall flat D2 or D3. | ||
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On February 08 2016 08:03 NocturneMage wrote: You should see the difference between my use of it here and my use of it in Newbie 18. You observed me closely enough as a cohost I think the difference should be obvious. Also Day 1, I gave you a valid reason that townies can use meta properly, and even me can do so. I can still make parallel points that I feel push discussion forward. If you think I'm scummy, just say why. True true. Got only tinfoil on ya, but those are super scary tinfoils, so I really want to make sure I don't lose to that. xD | ||
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On February 08 2016 15:59 Onegu wrote: I am in the hospital overnight, haven't been feeling good for a few days now. I have a small medical procedure on Friday and need to pack for my trip to Thailand on Sunday. Shouldn't have signed up and will take my ban but I have asked to be replaced. I apoligize to everyone sry to hear hope everything goes okay! :/ | ||
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Chez can you explain? I is that just for the lulz? | ||
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On February 08 2016 22:39 disformation wrote: wait, chez is voting BF? Chez can you explain? I is that just for the lulz? no wait, actually makes 100% sense carry on. | ||
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On February 08 2016 23:00 nooniansoong wrote: palmar ruined this game, not that it was his fault. Not sure what you are trying to say here. If he is scum trying to not encourage discussion and stuff this day is pretty legit. Or are you trying to say that you think he is town? | ||
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On February 07 2016 08:18 disformation wrote: Zyrre (8): darthfoley, nooniansoong, Chezinu, boxerfred, marvellosity, Palmar (7): justanothertownie (1): VayneAuthority (1):MoosyDoosy nooniansoong (0): NocturneMage (0), ritoky (0): Onegu (0):, Disformation (0): MoosyDoosy (0): Okay. Was looking at these a bit more. Palmar wagon As I said before: scum very probably doesn't want to be all stuck on the same train. So especially if palmar is town there should be at least 1 scummer on palmar. UNLESS it is really MD+Onegu +2 ppl on the Zyrre train which is possible. The three ppl voting Palmar that are not conf. from my pov are: NM, Rels and VA. NM: I wouldn't put it past him to make a case on Palmar D1 and try to get him lynched as scum. That is also an incredibly scary tinfoil. On the other hand I really am not able to legit scum read him. So I think he is town (for now). Rels: not having looked too close at Rels, yet. Should probably do this, since his scum game is pretty good. But on the other hand he has done nothing that screams town to me either. Actually he scum read both of zyrre and palmar and I am not 100% sure why he decided to prefer a palmar lynch. Though skimming his filter his approach to the game looks rather town. VA: his vote is nice and early, but he seemed very not invested into this. Only mention of zyrre is that the zyrre lynch seems too easy. So yeah this vote does not look great. Especially if Palmar is town. Zyrre wagon town lean on darthfoley. TR on marv. if koshi is scum probably not for this vote. cause jat and marv said so. leaves me with the trio of nooniansoong, Chezinu, boxerfred. No good read on any of those three tbh. Hope we have some investigation roles for those tbh. But I can easily see 2 scummers in there, especially if Palmar is scum. Whoever replaces in for Onegu has some huge town rainbows to plant into the thread. Actually @ rels: what made you vote palmar over zyrre? | ||
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In Dark Tournament town!NM was pretty emotionally invested in lynching scum!HtS and later went pretty close to yelling at town!Trfel and going on tilt over that. Sample size is too small to verify if he does so as scum too. | ||
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On February 09 2016 01:20 marvellosity wrote: thanks, i've only read a few of NM's posts scattered across a couple of games and didn't realise this was the case, so it's actually quite helpful + Show Spoiler + If you are trying to buddy me it is working. =D | ||
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On February 09 2016 01:28 Rels wrote: I was very underwhelmed with Palmar Thursday night. I expressed it and he said he would do more the Friday. Since he did nothing, I voted him. I thought Zyrre was also scum though. Yeah, you were scum reading both, hence my question. Also fair enough. | ||
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So by POE my VCA basically says that VA has a very high chance of being scum. Will look more into VA after the flip. | ||
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@NM: You said VA was pushing you D1 but dropped his read on you cause he couldnt get you lynched. Couldn't this possibly come from town and be a simple re-evaluation? I mean your first bunch of posts was not very good, so I can see that coming from town. :p Also fun fact: being biased and not approaching things from multiple angles is a scum tell for NM. =D | ||
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On February 09 2016 01:52 nooniansoong wrote: actually NM in his second scumgame, which I believe was the most recent, was super unbiased and approached things from so many angles, almost to a fault. he was like an analysis robot almost. but his scumgame would probably be approved, since it improved greatly between his first scumgame and his second. Wasn't that game NSM 18? He was pretty much defending Kmatt all game only asking him a bunch of relatively easy questions. The more noticeable/bigger thing was how super conf. biased he was in reading GB as scum. But yeah NM is super logical/analytical as both alignments. | ||
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On February 09 2016 02:11 Rels wrote: Chez is scum. Chez plays to win even if he flavors his posts. This is a play, he is like "See I'm not voting the obvious guy I should be voting, I'm so scummy I can't be scum!" Well the thing is: If you ignore that he abused his rule to troll me, his rule applies to boxerfred. Because if I remember right boxerfred was the first one to call chez actually scummy. Does that make chez town? nope. But yeah chez was also super not invested in the lynch D1 and sits in this not really readable bunch of the zyrre voters. | ||
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Well the votes were super fucking close. Maybe scum really was jumping hard on the zyrre train to save Palmar in the hope he can pull that stuff he did in Outlaw again? Like Palmar+koshi+chez+1 of MD or Onegu doesn't sound unreasonable. | ||
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On February 09 2016 02:31 VayneAuthority wrote: Basically everyone needs to take a deep breath and not complicate the game, this game seems really simple as long as I ignore NM and trust the meta read on him. Disform you arent taking into account the throwaway votes which are stupid indicative of mafia. Yeah, I like to overthink (or underthink) things. I am a man of extremes you know. :p And nah I am not entirely ignoring the throw away votes. MD can be scum here, but he is pretty coinflippy to me atm. For Onegu I don't think this vote is AI with him replacing out and stuff. Though the same happened in DT. Would be rally hilarious if it is really Onegu/MD/Chez/Palmar... -.- Would explain why everyone is struggling with reads. Like if the Palmar wagon is really pure, there can't be 4 scum on zyrre imo. Even three would be somewhat of a stretch. | ||
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On February 09 2016 02:36 Koshi wrote: Everything going according to plan? Well, Palmar has done nothing of impact, nearly all votes are on him. So yeah. On February 09 2016 02:37 Koshi wrote: I will like to not get lynched by an angry mob too soon though. Are we ok with D4? Hmm... if you are willing to do more work during the next night and day phases, that might be arrangeable. | ||
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On February 09 2016 03:02 NocturneMage wrote: at disformation between the two solo voters, MoosyDoosy is more likely mafia than Onegu. it isn't super likely a scumteam would have 2/4 off wagon, even so look at other attributes. onegu there is absolutely zero indicative information either way. MoosyDoosy could be scum because: (1) repeated question dodging/not giving reads when requested (at least 3 occasions I've counted) - has bailed on me twice when questions have been asked directly of him, once day 1 and once early day 2 (2) reasons for scumreading/not trusting ritoky day 1 in context were extremely murky, vague and evasive (3) even if Rels verified that MD's meta read on him was correct, he also townread me a bit too easily. namely that I was town for being illogical/convoluted, whereas disformation and Rels scumread me for the exact same thing. pretty sure now that read was contrived. (4) Day 2 he stated that Rels' activity dropped off when the opposite was true - he was pushing Koshi. Instead of giving a read on Rels, Moosy gave another evasive answer (post 1854) (5) bottom of page 95, I pressed him for a read on Rels AGAIN. He gave another deflective answer AGAIN. (post 1898) Nothing after that after I had to go to bed. his "dumbtelling" is very easy to fake as mafia, and it's been a known fact since Fullmetal. I would use other criteria (less fake-able) to ensure he's town if he somehow is. I will expand on these points with quotes when I'm back on a laptop if I need to but references should be obvious. Well, yeah MD looks worse than onegu because onegu is a true null read. Still don't think (3) is too worrisome. Your points on him dodging your questions is good though. He can join the list of ppl I have a scum lean on. | ||
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On February 09 2016 02:43 marvellosity wrote: don't really understand why this is or isn't the case. 3 is easily believable, and 4 maybe. here's a little food for thought: what if Palmar was their vigi? UUuuuhhhhh... right! Totally did not think about scum roles. Makes total sense if Palmar is a really good scum role. | ||
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On February 09 2016 06:09 Chezinu wrote: Some may say that you are not deep. Some may say that you are not an intellectual. Some may say that you are not an artist. Some may say that you are not a critic. Some may say that you are not a poet. Some may say that you just have internet access. Well, know this. Those some may sayers are not going to live with you long. So know that there are other some may sayers that can cheer you on. You can Deep! You can Intel! You can Art! You can Crit! You can Poe! You can and have internet access! Truly inspirational. Well said Chez. How are you on this fine time of the day? I hope you are well. | ||
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On February 09 2016 08:02 marvellosity wrote: damn. not vigi. okay but that gives cop free reign. hey LS! Isn't there a possible framer in the setup? + they still might have this stupid canon. but I am soooooooooo flowering glad that he flipped scum. Means I don't have to go crazy over tinfoils. Game is somewhat solvable. LS: town rainbows, NOW! | ||
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On February 09 2016 08:05 Rels wrote: This posts after deadline from both players and observers are super bad tbh yes. On February 09 2016 08:06 marvellosity wrote: they have a vigi and a godfather we don't have a vigi if they have a framer also i'm gonna be very annoyed post-game at role distribution. smart money is that GF is the only cop-fucking role. hmm... not very knowledgeable about roles especially in games >m13. But yeah, Vigi+GF+free strongarm shot sounds pretty mean already. | ||
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Palmar (7): justanothertownie (1): VayneAuthority (1):MoosyDoosy nooniansoong (0): NocturneMage (0), ritoky (0): Onegu (0):, Disformation (0): MoosyDoosy (0): lock town: NM, Rels, Marv, Me town leans (kinda slight, but a lean is a lean): darth, boxer, noon, VA left: chez, koshi, md, ls ls can have a day to play. not sure about MD. chez and koshi look bad atm. will try to look over my leans and the ppl left b4 EoN. | ||
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On February 09 2016 08:36 marvellosity wrote: typically there'll be a mafia in one of those townleans. Probably. yes. | ||
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On February 09 2016 19:59 marvellosity wrote: okay. but you definitely made one while it still wasn't popular right? :p On February 08 2016 00:54 Rels wrote: This post got way bigger than I though, I'm trying my best to organize it. I don't like Koshi at all, he might very well be scum. Here is why: 1 D1 the only real thing he did was pushing kush + opposing Palmar's lynch. That's it. No read on anyone else, especially Zyrre. Like, I think this is the only post about Zyrre in his filter: Then: Well, he ended up voting Zurre with kush. 2 I don't like that he townreads Palmar early using a "secret tell" Palmar apparently only does when he's scum. Where is the fucking tell now ? Then, he scumreads Palmar more and more as votes piles up on him, and votes him, but is still against his lynch. In particular, the last post is super weird in the progression: There is all this progression from "100% town" to "if he's town it's a bad lynch" to "I'm not really against Palmar's lynch but I think we should wait" to finally ... "I disagree with the lynch 100%". IT MAKES NO SENSE, especially 6 minutes after saying "I am not against a Palmar lynch in theory". 3 Finally, I dislike all the random questions / opinions that is in his filter, and that doesn't serve any purpose / does not lead to anything. Examples: Where is the follow up ? Especially in Moosy's and BF's case, where he shows he has suspicions but don't talk about them anymore. I think that was like early D2? Need to double check time stamps and stuff | ||
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On February 09 2016 20:12 disformation wrote: I think that was like early D2? Need to double check time stamps and stuff Early D2 yes. | ||
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kay. nvm then. really need to read his filter. xD | ||
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On February 09 2016 20:54 marvellosity wrote: this is exactly the problem, it doesn't Hm, yeah. On the other hand: isn't scum usually more worried about being consistent and therefore are not able to change their reads because they struggle to find a valid reason? | ||
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On February 07 2016 07:52 Koshi wrote: Maybe I just shoot ritoky. IMO that is so full of WIFOM that I don't really want to touch it. | ||
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On February 09 2016 08:35 disformation wrote: Zyrre (8): darthfoley, nooniansoong, Chezinu, boxerfred, marvellosity, Palmar (7): justanothertownie (1): VayneAuthority (1):MoosyDoosy nooniansoong (0): NocturneMage (0), ritoky (0): Onegu (0):, Disformation (0): MoosyDoosy (0): lock town: NM, Rels, Marv, Me town leans (kinda slight, but a lean is a lean): darth, boxer, noon, VA left: chez, koshi, md, ls ls can have a day to play. not sure about MD. chez and koshi look bad atm. will try to look over my leans and the ppl left b4 EoN. That is basically as committed as I get. :p As you can see I agree on Koshi and Chez and there is no need for me to push either of them, especially since all my lock towns agree on that and I am pretty comfortable sheeping them. Also the point you made on Koshi's vote was already made by me, but got somewhat deflected by jat and marv. Need/Want to look at a bunch of filters this evening. | ||
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On February 09 2016 23:20 nooniansoong wrote: Here's my scumreads. Kind of in order and kind of not.
I can see your 1) point on LS coming from a town mindset. Otherwise I think I like this. Need to reread VA. You have a TR on boxerfred, but couldn't find an explanation in your filter. TBH you like don't talk about boxer at all. Could you explain your TR on boxer? | ||
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On February 09 2016 23:53 nooniansoong wrote: please enlighten me, how is one supposed to townread you.. Try to lynch him and guess if his yelling at EoD is town or not. | ||
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On February 10 2016 00:39 VayneAuthority wrote: but hey if it takes my mislynch to make you realize you are a beautiful flower be my guest fixed. | ||
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On February 09 2016 05:03 Palmar wrote: yeah sorry guys I don't have the energy to fight this. I'm just sort of burned out at the moment. I really am not mafia, but because I'm not going to fight or try then you have to lynch me anyway so that's life. I tried starting filters like 4 times today and just couldn't summon the energy to do it. Good luck. On February 10 2016 01:04 Koshi wrote: I am totally burned out for some reason. Dnu why. Sad days. Starting to see a pattern here. | ||
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On February 10 2016 03:54 MoosyDoosy wrote: wait he claimed cop? i might have to go back and actually read the thread lolol Nah, didn't actually claim. But there were a bunch of posts like this: On February 07 2016 03:34 boxerfred wrote: Okay I'll cop-check confirmed town in disformation then so I can fin(n)d scum next night yo | ||
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On February 10 2016 05:10 NocturneMage wrote: Nooniansoong, I just saw your Moosy read. + Show Spoiler [Your Moosy read] + On February 09 2016 23:20 nooniansoong wrote: [*]Chezinu
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Do you see a pattern here? Day 1 reads + Show Spoiler + (Regarding townreading ritoky versus Damdred) On February 05 2016 15:11 MoosyDoosy wrote: I would honestly not take you ritoky. As adorable as you are, I prefer a Damdred leap of faith over you right now. Especially right now. On February 05 2016 15:11 NocturneMage wrote: Why? On February 05 2016 15:13 MoosyDoosy wrote: something about reading disfo, and ritoky by extension, his push onto someone, and something else i forget. On February 07 2016 02:55 MoosyDoosy wrote: Rels - I have a soul read situation with him that he knows as well. Every time in the past that I've been wary of him he's turned out to be Mafia. Every time I town read him immediately, he has been town. It has to do with how he sets himself up in the game. His opening made me wary. But I do agree with a lot of what he's been saying which is shit for me because logic > feelings from my experience in Mafia. Rels, I'm going to keep off of you for now, but that's on the basis you keep shitting townie rainbows. ritoky & disfo - Bear with me, things are foggy because I read quickly to catch up and play D2. There was a situation where ritoky pushed disfo and disfo made a shit case. I think NM and/or Palmar was implicated somewhere which should be interesting. Day 2 + Show Spoiler [Moosy Day 2 reads] + On February 08 2016 06:45 NocturneMage wrote: phoneposting So what about it? What are your thoughts on Rels now? What is this heuristic/tell you are using on Rels for? On February 08 2016 07:09 MoosyDoosy wrote: mMmmm i currently have no thoughts on Rels. This day is enough about Palmar that Rels has dropped off and there’s not enough for me to read him. This waits until N3/D3 where things should pick up. mMmmm...I'm interested in what you're aiming for D2 in general. Who are you looking into? What exactly are you trying to question? On February 08 2016 07:17 NocturneMage wrote: I don't find this believable or you haven't read the thread. Rels posted quite a bit earlier on Koshi and he pushed Koshi I believe. That's not the definition of falling off. He posted a massive case. On February 08 2016 07:22 MoosyDoosy wrote: bruh, do you seriously expect my thought process to make sense? Along with another point raised earlier to disformation about Moosy dodging questions: + Show Spoiler [addressing the question dodging of Moosy] + On February 09 2016 03:02 NocturneMage wrote: at disformation between the two solo voters, MoosyDoosy is more likely mafia than Onegu. it isn't super likely a scumteam would have 2/4 off wagon, even so look at other attributes. onegu there is absolutely zero indicative information either way. MoosyDoosy could be scum because: (1) repeated question dodging/not giving reads when requested (at least 3 occasions I've counted) - has bailed on me twice when questions have been asked directly of him, once day 1 and once early day 2 (2) reasons for scumreading/not trusting ritoky day 1 in context were extremely murky, vague and evasive (3) even if Rels verified that MD's meta read on him was correct, he also townread me a bit too easily. namely that I was town for being illogical/convoluted, whereas disformation and Rels scumread me for the exact same thing. pretty sure now that read was contrived. (4) Day 2 he stated that Rels' activity dropped off when the opposite was true - he was pushing Koshi. Instead of giving a read on Rels, Moosy gave another evasive answer (post 1854) (5) bottom of page 95, I pressed him for a read on Rels AGAIN. He gave another deflective answer AGAIN. (post 1898) Nothing after that after I had to go to bed. his "dumbtelling" is very easy to fake as mafia, and it's been a known fact since Fullmetal. I would use other criteria (less fake-able) to ensure he's town if he somehow is. I will expand on these points with quotes when I'm back on a laptop if I need to but references should be obvious. Are we possibly seeing a pattern here? All in all, if you read Moosy's entire filter, he's not committing to much of anything in terms of scumreads (except the obvious town ones). These points together? Alongside the solo vote, Moosy has a decent shot of being scum. Thoughts? Not sure which pattern you mean, besides him not given good reads/cases and generally being a bit dodgy? But yeah that is probably enough to give him a fair chance at being scum. xD Also skimmed over his filter and it wasn't hot at all. | ||
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On February 10 2016 05:31 VayneAuthority wrote: basically I am not going to post in this game again until this happens Then when I am mislynched i will laugh and call NM bad endgame and post it to best bloopers yes or no plx. -.- | ||
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On February 10 2016 05:37 NocturneMage wrote: That was pretty much the gist of my argument. Especially when you compare that to his filters - in terms of sheer quality of reads - from Fullmetal and Drams and you should have a much better idea of what I'm talking about. Ah makes sense. Had a slight problem following the post cause long and mucho quotes. Am still tired. xD Yeah, was looking over his fullmetal game yesterday. He had like cases and stuff! Well they were on town, but he did stuff! So yeah, he can be one of my now four scum reads. | ||
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But TBH I am not a huge fan of reading games I had 0 involvement with, since it is hard to grasp the contexts of posts n flowers. So if you are town I would really love to work with us a bit. | ||
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On February 10 2016 06:08 Rels wrote: We're 8-4 right now right ? Without something messing up with the KP in two different nights we only have 1 mislynch to spare ... seems super harsh TBH. + we have no clue if they still have that strong arm shot or not, since in my understanding a failed shot with that thing will not be announced. -.- | ||
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On February 10 2016 06:12 disformation wrote: + we have no clue if they still have that strong arm shot or not, since in my understanding a failed shot with that thing will not be announced. -.- And obv what darth said about it being 9-3. | ||
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On February 10 2016 06:24 Rels wrote: Disfo if you're around, did you find this to be true ? Ugh. As I said I am not fond of reading games I had 0 involvement in. So I am not expertin VA met here, especially since I only skimmed the games. In one town game he was playing some sort of game D1 so that could count as reaction test? In another he was TRing someone for not agreeing with his D1 reads. | ||
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On February 10 2016 06:31 disformation wrote: Ugh. As I said I am not fond of reading games I had 0 involvement in. So I am not expertin VA met here, especially since I only skimmed the games. In one town game he was playing some sort of game D1 so that could count as reaction test? In another he was TRing someone for not agreeing with his D1 reads. Also note that his filters are really really short generally. So super hard to grasp the context. | ||
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On February 10 2016 06:32 NocturneMage wrote: phoneposting as I skim Reminder: We can no-lynch this game. Does that change anything? If they don't kill with the blue shot we lose 1 ML by no lynching. If they kill someone with it we have 1 ML and 1 No lynch imo. Assuming 1 scum kp every night. | ||
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On February 10 2016 06:38 Rels wrote: Regarding above's meta: VA insulting Palmar as Palmat shot him. Yeaaaaahhh, I just was like "wait didn't he lie about his role and got shot by something fairly early?" | ||
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On February 10 2016 06:40 NocturneMage wrote: I'm writing this out - let's assume a worst case scenario. Someone gets obliterated tonight. 9:3 NK and cannon 7:3 mislynch 6:3 nightkill 5:3 mylo - take your no lynch here??????? 5:3 nightkill 4:3 lylo I'm doing this right? Pretty sure I am. I mean if you no lynch at 5:3 you still have another shot at figuring shit out anyways because mafia HAVE to shoot? Am I derping again? Nah, had the same conclusion as you. | ||
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On February 10 2016 06:42 marvellosity wrote: we're not gonna no-lynch for ages/ever anyway, there's like 4 players that are lock town so no-lynching just loses us a townie for no reason Good point. | ||
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And that is totally ignoring LS. Koshi is most scummy of those though. | ||
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On February 10 2016 06:56 NocturneMage wrote: I'm actually not that great at balance for more than 13 players, so I'm not about to point fingers. That said....there's enough kp flying around as it is. There's no town vig. And it's a scum vig because Palmar should have been shot night 1. The fact he wasn't indicates there was a scum vig - plus, no one claimed the shot. Typically, when there's an errant shot like that the town vig usually claims. Here there was no claim, so you can assume it's a scum vig. you do not claim ever with that BS starkiller thing. | ||
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On February 10 2016 06:57 disformation wrote: you do not claim ever with that BS starkiller thing. well... unless you are about to get lynched I guess. | ||
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Guess why I was asking that *pout* | ||
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Ah, IC you misunderstood my post. You did not not answer a question. You stole my question I wanted to ask VA. But is fine and well since you nearly got him to answer. | ||
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On February 10 2016 07:36 Chezinu wrote: obv disformation didn't break it. Koshi claimed he did but he didn't As for boxer, I need to read the thread, but I know he came against me before - but it was after the Chez Rule was revealed (so does that count?) Ah, IC where you are getting at. Not sure if the rule counts if the person of question might be aware of that. boxerfred has not 100% reading the thread so he might have missed it. But not sure. Also it is your rule. xD You should be able to decide if it applies or not. | ||
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On February 10 2016 07:29 LightningStrike wrote: Also dis what you wanted to talk to me about? Just had a spontaneous bout of "hey LS hasn't posted in a while, I want him to do stuff so I can figure out his alignment". | ||
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On February 10 2016 07:41 marvellosity wrote: Gonna shower and stuff. Probs not back before deadline. Whatever you guys do, lynch koshi tomorrow. Don't get distracted. He is 100% mafia. Do that and then figure the rest out. roger. *salutes* | ||
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On February 10 2016 07:47 Chezinu wrote: If I die tonight, know everything I said was pretty random.... almost. Also, Koshi started it. Nah, don't worry scum should shoot me over you. Or I'll just protect you with my body. | ||
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On February 10 2016 07:07 NocturneMage wrote: I am honestly going to rage at HTS if we lose because of that thing. Like I really want to flame her because it's HTS but I would probably get modkilled because it's HTS. And we obviously can't afford modkills lol. Back on topic though - I honestly think boxerfred is town. Rels I honestly think you are tunnelling him. Have you played with him before? Were you in Firefly? There's just no way I would lynch him before Koshi/VA/Chez/MoosyDoosy. 100% blue for the rage. | ||
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On February 10 2016 08:07 Rels wrote: You should vote VA. NM 100% tracked him last night. ##Vote VA this. scum: Palmar/VA/Koshi+1 | ||
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On February 10 2016 08:12 boxerfred wrote: true. ##unvote ##vote VayneAuthority next up koshi, then chez. Indeed. | ||
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If the team is indeed: VA/Koshi/Chez: please concede. Thanks. | ||
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On February 09 2016 17:19 Chezinu wrote: Some call it brown magic. In this world, it may be better known as the brown force. That's right. I feel the force of brown within me. Rey, I am your brother from another mother and I'm here to protect you. No Strong Man can stop this! Kylo, we have one thing in common. Our lives are Fin. Hidden in this post. | ||
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Palmar (7): justanothertownie (1): VayneAuthority (1):MoosyDoosy nooniansoong (0): NocturneMage (0), ritoky (0): Onegu (0):, Disformation (0): MoosyDoosy (0): | ||
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Okay. Good thing about this stuff is that I don't need to think about scary, hidden super sekret illuminati NM and Marv tinfoils. Still pretty salty about the night actions. And the next days being auto or semi auto does not really help with my motivation. We really really need to figure out the remaining scummer and pray that VA is not a super BS wanderer. -.- | ||
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On February 10 2016 08:41 Chezinu wrote: THIS JUST IN!!!! THE JEDI BROWN FORCE TELLS ME DISFORMATION IS TOWN!!!! That should not be that big of a surprise... @Rels thanks for calming down, but what made you reconsider? Me, town leader? We are so doomed... But yeah. VA -> Koshi -> ??? VA has to die due to being tracked, no matter what. | ||
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VA -> Koshi and then we have a MD vs Chez deathmatch. | ||
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And yeah no lynch is stupid. They just get Rels + Me for free. -.- | ||
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t. Each night, he can select one player to save and may not save the same player two consecutive nights. scum. | ||
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On February 10 2016 09:15 LightningStrike wrote: Man VA gave up lol. If for some reason he flips doctor(highly doubt it ) then lynching Koshi should give us scum flip. I really think VA and Koshi are two scum slips. | ||
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On February 10 2016 09:20 LightningStrike wrote: Hence why I said that I doubt VA would flip doctor. I already had Koshi as scum from taking to marv after I got into the game. ah slightly misunderstood then. | ||
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both moosydoosy and chez play to have fun/troll a lot. THis will be so hard. xD And moosy I know that you have 0 qualms about bussing your mates. | ||
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On February 10 2016 19:36 Rels wrote: I read both Chez and Moosy's filters and if we had to lynch someone today, it 100% should be one of these two. I would push for Chez, but NM's points on Moosy were good too. Do you disagree that they should claim immediately if they're a role ? By doing that we eliminate the possibility for them to fakeclaim later if they are scum. AND if they have a role, we don't really care that they get killed by scum as it actually helps us. I guess LS should do it too if you're unsure. Pretty much this. Will read their filters again later. + darthfoley just to make sure. LS is in a bad position with all the ppl gettting more and more lazy with all those autos. Koshi is basically auto too... | ||
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On February 10 2016 22:13 LightningStrike wrote: MD: I have a hard time reading him but he seems rather trolly but he does that as either alignment from what I remember of him. So null. Chez: I will have to sheep Marv read on him and say scum because the only time I had played with Chez was in Ippo when he was a Inventor and thought that role would be a 3rd Party role but he was town. Also I remember him talking about the House of Brown that entire game. Plus like darth said he been playing pretty antitown. Darth: I think he's solid town for me. The way he answered my questions towards him and his attitude since I replaced in seems very towny to me. What makes me town: 1. Activity: I only had 1 active scum game on TL and that was Guardian of the Galaxy but all my other filters were really short as scum (Student IV, Witchcraft 3, Jack of all Trades) 2. Onegu claimed my role: Unfortunately Onegu thought it was a good idea to claim my role Day 1 and kept on claiming like no tomorrow >.< 3. Emotions: I much more emotional as town and when I thought Marv had me potential scum I became rather mad at him because he had actually been able to read me right in the past. But he said the scum was in the top 5 of his list and said it was PoE if his top 5 scum weren't well scum. wat? | ||
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B4 last night he said: On February 09 2016 16:32 Chezinu wrote: Come on Kylo Ren, you know you want to hit this. Show me your moves. Want to take this out the ring? Doesn't that imply that he knows Kylo Ren, the scum RB is in the game? But then he goes: He also just threw around a ton of PR names in this: On February 09 2016 17:19 Chezinu wrote: Some call it brown magic. In this world, it may be better known as the brown force. That's right. I feel the force of brown within me. Rey, I am your brother from another mother and I'm here to protect you. No Strong Man can stop this! Kylo, we have one thing in common. Our lives are Fin. So I have no clue if he is pulling this stuff out of his brown hat at random or if there is TMI hidden here. -.- | ||
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On February 10 2016 07:01 marvellosity wrote: me and everyone have talked about Chez enough for you to know the thoughts that are out there i don't really get why moosy can't do any of the stuff he's been doing as town really. Ah right there was this thing. | ||
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Pointed towards both koshi and VA, despite jat/marv saying otherwise for koshi. Should trust myself on taht more. Unfortunately both Chez and MD look horrible for their votes. Well... actually: On February 09 2016 08:10 Chezinu wrote: Guys, I would like to say that it was a honor to help form a second wagon on Day 1 to aid in the detection of mafia scum. I was secretly hoping Palmar would have died Day 1 but I couldn't vote for Palmar cause I likes him. This was also an opportunity to gain more information. We are doing great guys! Makes him look a bit worse. bah the MD vs Chez thing really gives me headaches. MD feels like a 50/50 coinflip for me though, so I think last scum is Chez who has done nothing this game. darth and boxer are probably town. Maybe looking at noon again later, but I remember some nice posts from him. | ||
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On February 11 2016 05:12 disformation wrote: Yeah, only things I could found were DAMP and DAMP. =/ DAMN and DAMP. | ||
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On February 11 2016 07:42 Rels wrote: Gist of this game is that you should last second post though. The thing is to try to guess what the others will do last second, while WIFOMing your actions. yeah I realized last phase, but was too slow to change to prot. On February 11 2016 07:44 Chezinu wrote: Disform shot first... but then the host changed it... amazing reference. | ||
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On February 11 2016 07:50 Rels wrote: Mm this might no be enough. I think I will fight for one of you that has not claimed to be the lynch today instead. So if you're town, it's in your best interest to claim right now. If you're scum, I'm OK with you being lynched. THere is no downside to claiming as we - DONT - care if you get killed by scum. You're a lynchbait if you're town: mafia killing you is perfect. Furthermore, I'm quite sure VA Is the roleblocker, so you won't be roleblocked. VA claimed roleblocker that visited marv. Now slam dunk scum always try to put some WIFOM as thread. Claiming roleblocker is not WIFOM: as we will learn the truth if he is not verry soon. But I'm pretty sure he didn't visit marv, THAT is the WIFOM part. I would like to wait with that until the RB flip is confirmed. I think VA was rather honest, but I prefer safe plays. | ||
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sheep him D1. If he lynches town he is scum. If he lynches scum he is town. EZ. | ||
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On February 11 2016 08:50 LightningStrike wrote: If NM flips town if he lynched town than what? Then he needs to stop lynching town in future games. duh. | ||
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yeah, got the feeling. that is why I clarified. but come on. I am terrible, but I am not THAT terrible. in the same way: have I tried actually lynching you to figure out your alignment yet? | ||
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i think i know who he checked. at least partially. but that means he didnt get rb. so why does he know bout kylo? hmmm... | ||
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On February 11 2016 21:11 nooniansoong wrote: Please surrender scum. Yeah. That would be great. Was just scrolling through chez's filter. So amazing. aaaaand I think I know both of his checks now. | ||
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On February 11 2016 21:35 Rels wrote: Are they interesting ? Don't claim them before he does though :p I didn't tell you what they were on purpose. | ||
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Will probably really boil down to LS, MD and Chez. Was thinking about a Rels tinfoil for a second, but no way. | ||
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I have a very slight town lean on him, but not super confident on that so far. He still has a lot of time though, which is good. Not much happening atm though, which is bad. | ||
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On February 12 2016 01:50 boxerfred wrote: If scum isnt in chez koshi md and we have only one mislynch we get Problems. If chez is cop he should tell us his flips before eod flip and he should hard claim. Gonna lynch him else next day even before koshi Really? Koshi is pretty much 99% scum. Look how hard he vanished. But yeah chez should tell us his checks. Not 100% sure if before eod or after eod makes a difference though? | ||
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On February 10 2016 08:34 disformation wrote: Zyrre (8): darthfoley, nooniansoong, Chezinu, boxerfred, marvellosity, Palmar (7): justanothertownie (1): VayneAuthority (1):MoosyDoosy nooniansoong (0): NocturneMage (0), ritoky (0): Onegu (0):, Disformation (0): MoosyDoosy (0): | ||
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Hope Chez can bring us some clarity now that Kylo Ren is dead and his sista avenged. | ||
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Not sure when/if I am going to get to that today though. Bit busy IRL. | ||
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Like unless scum wants to concede. Which might get decided by the night actions to come. Not sure. | ||
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I think it would require a unanimous vote to shorten the day phases though. Away for a bit. | ||
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I just skimmed through ALL of D1 and N1 to pick up some nice quotes from our scummers. Will take me a while to order them. Expect some walls. | ||
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Koshi Edition on darthfoley On February 05 2016 00:39 Koshi wrote: darth could very well be mafia because he is holding back. I haven't seen any decent post from him so far while I am certain he is capable to make them. On February 05 2016 02:14 Koshi wrote: Also darthfoley might be buddying me because that defense was actually really bad. on noon On February 04 2016 19:31 Koshi wrote: ##vote Kush Best lynch by far. On February 04 2016 22:50 Koshi wrote: Kush plays bold as mafia. This post makes him more likely mafia. On February 05 2016 02:12 Koshi wrote: Pretty sure this is a lie. You also claimed in the thread you didn't know mafia could frame themselves as mafia framer, while arguing mafia probably framed town, while town had a redcheck on a townie. + Not doing anything is your scum meta while you multiple times said in previous games that you enjoy playing town and that you cba to ever play mafia. And now you are not enjoying the game and you don't want to play till D3. = You are mafia. On February 05 2016 07:10 Koshi wrote: Just read the game Kush and give reads. JUST DO IT On February 05 2016 20:57 Koshi wrote: Are you reading the thread Kush? On February 05 2016 22:31 Koshi wrote: I am having too much work at work, which never happens but it is insane atm, I blame Kush and will lynch him out of spite. On February 06 2016 00:20 Koshi wrote: People got to understand that Kush has been playing serious as town, and has been enjoying doing so. This game he is reading the game, following it pretty closely, but he isn't doing his thing, which is make small observations on who is town/mafia. Instead of quoting posts and telling how mafia he is, he can just as easily quote people and tell them how mafia they are. Last game he was mafia and tried to copy this style but failed and we lynched him. Endgame he said that he hated playing scum and that we should never lynch him if he ever tries in a game. WHICH INDICATES HE WANTS TO TRY IN FUTURE TOWN GAMES AND NOT TRY IN SCUMGAMES. This game he is not trying. On February 06 2016 00:24 Koshi wrote: 2 pages before that quote from Rels you took about lynchbait. This is why Kush didn't want to answer my fucking question about what he read btw. He knows I can trap him. On February 06 2016 00:25 Koshi wrote: Lynch Kush. Lynch mafia. On February 06 2016 00:27 Koshi wrote: Why would you not lynch Kush? Give me a good reason. On February 06 2016 00:46 Koshi wrote: VA bestest buddy. Please vote Kush. This is lazy town Palmar. Kill him D3 if he is alive and still trash. On February 06 2016 03:43 Koshi wrote: Everything Kush does screams mafia to me. Now he is just here showing activity so the next batch of votes don't hit him. Why would he show this much activity in a game he doesn't care supposedly?? He could have just played normal and it would never be an issue. This guy even played scum like this before. Like... I know it for sure, just not which game. That is 1 on 1 meta. Let me get some quotes. on onegu: On February 07 2016 03:04 Koshi wrote: You want me to shoot Onegu? I can do that. With Pleasure. boxerfred: On February 04 2016 19:32 Koshi wrote: boxerfred case had a really good sentence in it. I ll look it up. On February 05 2016 22:59 Koshi wrote: I had a sweet case on you. Remember? It had to do with you faking anger while making a case on me. chez: On February 07 2016 03:03 Koshi wrote: Just felt like he was pushing agenda when I read his posts, they seemed to be strategically and not random Chez. bonus: On February 04 2016 20:51 Koshi wrote: Ugh... Palmar is almost certainly not mafia here. I have a pretty good tell for him when he is mafia. It's not this. On February 07 2016 00:55 Koshi wrote: Kush/Palmar/Chez/x I think this shows that he tried hard to ML noon D1, making noon unlikely to be scum. | ||
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And no I don't 100% know that noon is town, but in a world where Koshi is scum, I think he tried to ML noon. | ||
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On February 13 2016 03:34 darthfoley wrote: I know I haven't been super active this game but i've been pretty consistent with my reads on Koshi/VA since D1. I did get Zyrre wrong, but it was an informed decision and not a counter wagon thing. I think it's also quite unlikely that I as mafia would've started the counter wagon on Zyrre, considering that the other mafia (Koshi, VA + 1) seemed quite resigned to letting Palmar die until the Zyrre wagon started. I have some time today, but initially reading your analysis disformation, I agree with your conclusion that Kush is unlikely to be mafia considering how hard Koshi was pushing it. There's no reason his attempt at a counter wagon to Palmar (godfather) would be another mafia (goon or hux?) Yeah, your D1 push on Zyrre seems pretty town. Well, there could be scenarios in which scum could try to sacrifice like a goon over a PR, but I think it is way more likely that Koshi tried to get a ML going. | ||
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VA Edition On February 04 2016 12:15 VayneAuthority wrote: hes basing everything off of recent previous games, I dont see whats so strange about it On February 06 2016 00:44 VayneAuthority wrote: I can also agree with kush and policy moosydoosy for excessive emoticon use AKA the rsoultin law On February 06 2016 01:42 VayneAuthority wrote: I will warn you that BF is a trap player. I don't know what to make of him yet. On paper it makes zero sense and looks scummy but surely he would realize that right? Now when we look at the motivation for why he would want to post this, all I could think of is kush being his mafia buddy. He wants you to know that he does support the lynch of kush but thats the extent of it. so if you believe in a kush/bf team then go for it On February 06 2016 04:01 VayneAuthority wrote: A Palmar/kush/BF/?? team is actually sorta believable If im going to join in the pre-flip reads. But I am definitely not shenanny'ing onto kush if those are the options Hrrrrmmmm... VA has not much to go on. Interesting thing is that he places noon and BF on his scum team, but wouldn't want to shennanie onto kush? That whole association read is pretty strange. | ||
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Palmar Edition On February 04 2016 20:07 Palmar wrote: Also bf sort of doesn't really sound like mafia. I find it weird that he would go after the entirety of ritoky's post, it's a massive stretch, but I guess there's not really much that has happened in the game, so maybe stretches are the best he's got. He's at least actually trying to do something. I like that he actually is keeping the pressure on ritoky despite some pushback, this last post about ritoky just rehashing the information sounds like genuinely believes that he has something there. On February 04 2016 22:58 Palmar wrote: the kush plays bold thing is accurate. in outlaw the fact that he was a constant scumread of so many people despite him being wishy-washy, unsure and sort of meek compared to normal should've been at least an indicator there might be something up. On February 05 2016 06:50 Palmar wrote: it's not a terrible idea, you have a knack for rolling scum Lot of Palmar and Koshi interaction. Also marv. Not that much on the rest. | ||
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Since VA/Koshi/Palmar all had a fair bit of interaction the last scummer was probably someone with very little thread presence so they couldn't interact with him. Leading again to MD, Onegu or Chez. Really hope the night actions will give us some clarity on that. | ||
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On February 13 2016 04:26 Rels wrote: I don't have the time to play properly right now, it seems pretty cool though. 2 questions: - who is the most likely scum after that ? - what was their management of you ? Will read carefully if I'm still alive tomorrow. Unfortunately still MD vs Chez vs LS. Really depends on whether Chez can come up with checks/explantion for the Kylp thing or gets verified by getting shot. Haven't really really looked at their interactions with me cause I am conf. town in my mind. xD From the top of my head: - Palmar had a bit of interaction with me early D1 asking me to give reads on everyone without any null reads. - Koshi had a post that had a kinda annoyed sounding vibe to it when I did mention the PM about the strongarm shot D1. - VA was talking to me a bit about NM and called my VCA bad cause it pointed to him being scum. hmm... maybe can look again later if you want. | ||
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But I think considering this tinfoil is not going anywhere unless they shoot me b4 you. And in that event I am not around for the tinfoil anyway. There is also still a rather low chance that is could be boxer. | ||
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On February 13 2016 06:10 boxerfred wrote: Just one thing that makes me town If koshi flips scum: his "bf is pretty town bro." This is a tmi call. "Hes town, dont you see it, its so obvious to everyone. " Hm. True. Was not that sure about this association since he later distances himself from taht a bit. Dunno. Everything ends up pointing at MD/Chez/LS and that somehwo makes me really worried I/We missed something. | ||
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On February 13 2016 07:23 Rels wrote: My potential scum list go Moosy => BF => LS. Ideal plan is lynch Chez to verify claim, then if game not over lynch someone with the help for Chez's checks. Don't have time to discuss right now though )= hope I'm alive tomorrow, should have some time tomorrow night. Chez if you're cop I hope you post your checks before deadline in case you're killed. You mean: Koshi => Moosy => BF => LS but yeah. | ||
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On February 13 2016 07:26 boxerfred wrote: Also - if you are serious with lynching me before LS, you're bad. Nothing more to say. Please stick to the plan so I can laugh at you post game. Are you implying that you know that MD will not flip scum? Oo On February 13 2016 07:27 Rels wrote: Koshi is scum. Chez hardclaimed his role, filter him to see. Disfo you agree on that ? Well there is no "Yes I am the cop". But he breadcrumbed all over and was like this gem: Thing is. He is either blue or red imo. xD | ||
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On February 13 2016 07:29 LightningStrike wrote: Also dis did you say you got a idea who his checks were? I should be kinda obv if you look through his filter. Would prefer for him to say it himself though, so I can double check his story... maybe I just post what I think his checks are b4 deadline? | ||
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On February 13 2016 07:49 LightningStrike wrote: Wait didn't VA claim he rb'd Marv N1? Yes. | ||
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If chez got rb'ed that explains why he knew about kylo. But how did he know about Rey? Maybe chez only knew about that stuff through the force and was playing jedi mindtricks? | ||
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On February 13 2016 07:56 Rels wrote: Game is won. (= The only justification Chez had for fakeclaiming cop as town was to attract a bullet. In this mindset, there is 0% chance he rescinds his claim BEFORE the bullet can hit him. Chezinu is scum. FIN yeah. a bit sad though. | ||
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Palmar (7): justanothertownie (1): VayneAuthority (1):MoosyDoosy nooniansoong (0): NocturneMage (0), ritoky (0): Onegu (0):, Disformation (0): MoosyDoosy (0): Wish I had more than once VCA to work with. -.- Scum team has done a great job giving us not much to work with on the last scummer. | ||
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On February 13 2016 07:53 Chezinu wrote: I'm not a cop... I can't know things like if someone is Han Solo... I just guessers... Scum.[/QUOTE] What now? | ||
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On February 13 2016 08:28 Chezinu wrote: So let's say there is a Finn and that Finn is me. Do you think there could be a framer? Uh. GF AND Framer?! Huh. Not sure tbh. Seems a bit too heavy. Would rather expect a few wanderer/Miller if town has both finn and rey. | ||
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Good. We lynch koshi today. You check MD next night. Game should be solved or solve able after that. | ||
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On February 13 2016 08:48 Chezinu wrote: if you mafia disform... are. you. kidding. me.? | ||
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With a tracker and a cop I am really worried about Miller now. -.- FLOWER. Really really bad that we have like no information and only 1 ML. -.- | ||
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auto auto auto auto auto auto auto auto auto auto auto auto auto... where the flower has MD been? auto auto auto auto auto auto auto auto auto auto auto auto auto... | ||
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On February 10 2016 08:18 MoosyDoosy wrote: So was this the strongman? I'm guessing scum used their vigilante N1 then. Found this post. Really confused by it. That was after the double blue flip. | ||
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Palmar (7): justanothertownie (1): VayneAuthority (1):MoosyDoosy nooniansoong (0): NocturneMage (0), ritoky (0): Onegu (0):, Disformation (0): MoosyDoosy (0): As we established earlier this game darthfoley's read progression and voting D1 looked very town. As I established yesterday noon looks very town due to Koshi pushing all of D1. Both are very early (first two) on a town wagon. In most cases scum is found in the middle of the train. That would give us: Zyrre (8): darthfoley, nooniansoong, Chezinu, boxerfred, marvellosity, Palmar (7): justanothertownie (1): VayneAuthority (1):MoosyDoosy nooniansoong (0): NocturneMage (0), ritoky (0): Onegu (0):, Disformation (0): MoosyDoosy (0): What surprises me a bit is that the noon wagon is full of town, since that should have been the preferred counter wagon to palmar for scum. Left: Chezinu, boxerfred, Onegu/LS and MD. I am going to look at the filters/read progessions of these guys later again. If we are in a world where the night actions and role distributions didn't screw us over royally again and chez is the cop and I am not a Miller we are left with: Onegu/LS and MD. @LS: Do you believe el chezidente? Between: Chezinu, boxerfred and MD who do you think is scum. And why? @Rest: how happy do you think LS is? | ||
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Will be back later, taking a break before I spam up the thread 2 much. | ||
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On February 14 2016 00:19 LightningStrike wrote: Chez if he's lying but if he's telling the truth then it most likely MD because I been townreading boxerfred even when people were starting question about him Night 2.Plus chez claimed check on you and boxerfred being the same alignment so it a big plus for me if he's telling the truth that is. Sounds good. | ||
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Maybe later or tomorrow. -.- | ||
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On February 14 2016 03:21 MoosyDoosy wrote: hello what do you think of el chezidente's claim? who do you think is the last scummer? if you are the last scummer: concede plx? | ||
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On February 14 2016 09:22 MoosyDoosy wrote: Chez is probably lying. There's a pretty large logical fallacy in his claim as I already stated. xP But if we have 2 mislynches we're in a good spot anyway. On February 11 2016 11:43 MoosyDoosy wrote: I also actually kind of think Chezinu is fake claiming for a specific reason but meh. He likes playing games so I like him. Yeah, you stated so, but you never explained. | ||
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But one of the comments said something about blue cell music, so I'll take that. | ||
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On February 10 2016 08:20 MoosyDoosy wrote: I actually think we are in good spot. Vayne/Koshi then boxer is probably last tbh. On February 11 2016 11:47 MoosyDoosy wrote: fuck, i forgot boxerfred was in the game lol. are we townreading him or scumreading him? Care to explain what happened between those posts? Why are you so interested in the thread consent? What is your current read on boxerfred? Also while having some town / scum reads you have never pushed anyone this game... | ||
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You were way more trolly that game and sound somewhat serious in comparison this game. | ||
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On February 06 2016 06:46 Chezinu wrote: Never forget: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/359836-normal-mini-mafia-iii?page=49#978 I love you Palmar. Does it mean anything that you were red that game you linked Chez? | ||
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Should check darth and LS again. Maybe read some previous MD/boxer games. Later/tomorrow... | ||
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On February 15 2016 01:52 LightningStrike wrote: Here was Chez's filter from that game if you are curious to check: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/359836-normal-mini-mafia-iii?user=Chezinu and yes he was scum and shot palmar. Feels/Reads plenty different from this game. But I don't think trying to meta El Chezidente is a great idea. xD | ||
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On February 15 2016 05:07 boxerfred wrote: bla bla whoop di doop boring game. yeah kinda. I just wish I could figure out who the last scummer is... so we could get it over with -.- | ||
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The canon has only 1 shot and only works against blues... | ||
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On February 15 2016 20:03 boxerfred wrote: Okay. Where. On February 13 2016 08:33 Chezinu wrote: The Brown Force be like disform and boxer be the same alignments.. It was late... but it was tolds... my psychometry is rather noobish. On February 13 2016 08:47 Chezinu wrote: I NIGHT YOU SAID YOU WOULD PROTECT ME!!! THE NIGHT I CHALLENGED KYLO REN TO FIGHT ME!!! THE NIGHT I CHALLENGED THE STRONGMAN!!! 3 actions + results. checks make sense for chez. You are aware that Finn is a parity cop, not a normal cop, right? On February 02 2016 23:35 Half the Sky wrote: Finn A reformed Stormtrooper before joining forces with the resistance, you have a keen sense of who is on whose side, for the most part. You submit alignment checks for each night. Each night you target someone, and you're told if the alignment of your target is the same or different as your previous successful check. Your N1 check doesn't return anything, but is necessary for your N2 check to work. You can't check yourself. If roleblocked, your previous check is your last active check. | ||
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On February 13 2016 09:35 Koshi wrote: I would give you a tip on who the last mafia is because [REDACTED] soz lads. But the good news is I made it to D4. ##Vote: Koshi Also: probably wifom but I think MD is the most likely candidate to provoke such a reaction from his teammate. xD | ||
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On February 15 2016 15:42 Chezinu wrote: Oks.. so who be the more generals of these guys. Well if you said I am green for being attacked by Koshi, you should say noon is green for the same reason, as I outlined here: On February 13 2016 01:32 disformation wrote: on noon This makes noon pretty damn unlikely to be scum imo. | ||
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We are also not 100% confirmed, because there is a possibility of one us of being: On February 02 2016 23:35 Half the Sky wrote: Scavengers On Jakku, you trade for scrap metal and other valuables that might be of use to you in the future, although you struggle to gain the trust of your customers. You are not aware. You return mafia-aligned checks or equivalent. But yeah. The game could be really simple and chez is the cop, neither of us is a miller/scavenger and it is flat out MD. Maaaaaybe it is LS. But I would say it is like 80% MD and 20% LS, if chez is cop and neither of us miller/scavenger. Not sure if there even is a miller/scavenger in play, but with a parity cop and a tracker only a GF to mislead those seems not enough. I am pretty sure there should be at least a wanderer, but I am not sure if there is a wanderer + a miller. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/499399-tl-mafia-lxxiii-the-nutcracker m13 town: unaware miller unaware wanderer 1 shot medic parity cop tracker 5 VT scum: RB GF Vanilla There was also some sort of gimmick mechanic with presents and stuff, that gave out diff. abilities. But besides the presents and the strong arm from this game, the setup looks very similar. So I am going to assume that we have both a wanderer and a miller. The wanderer doesn't matter anymore. boxer can't be the miller from my POV. You know since my PM says town. But boxer, or whoever Chez checks tonight (if he doesn't get shot) might. So I am a bit paranoid right now. On the other hand boxer should be town. | ||
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On February 15 2016 23:11 boxerfred wrote: One tinfoil thing though: nooniansong/kush had a really bad D1. I also scumread him I think but dropped it later, sheeping marv (? if I remember correctly). Koshi and VayneAuthority, both having rolled scum, were pushing kush (based on disformation's quotes from above at least). boxerfred disformation Chezinu darthfoley MoosyDoosy nooniansoong LightningStrike Those are the 7 players left in the game. This night, we have a kill which will not be prevented. 5 1 - ML, Kill 3 1 - ML, Kill 1 1 - Scum wins. We may mislynch once. Chezinu is going to be the nightkill, no way he'll get to surive another night. darthfoley and nooniansong both voted Zyrre, the townie. That would mean we'd have had 3/4 scum on the town wagon. Or, one scum being completely outside of all wagons in MoosyDoosy, who wasted his vote on VayneAuthority. Having dived MD's filter, I am actually not too sure if he's indeed the last scum. Although: If this is true, I hope that the hosts ask for a severe punishment post game. If this is not true, MD should be scum for that statement. Right? darthfoley had a very organic read progression D1 and I am not sure a scummer would want to lead a new wagon in this place. Why not just try and push noon some more? noon had some better posts after D1 and got attacked by Koshi super hard. Why do you think MD might be town after reading his filter? | ||
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On February 15 2016 23:17 boxerfred wrote: Basically if one of us was unaware miller and the other one was scum then we wouldn't be confirmed, right? If chez is not lying and one of us is miller the other one is conf. scum... or also a miller. xD On February 16 2016 00:13 nooniansoong wrote: does anyone know what moosy is talking about here? nope. asked him the same. hasn't answered. actually asked him a bunch of questions he didn't answer so far. | ||
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On February 14 2016 09:42 disformation wrote: Yeah, you stated so, but you never explained. On February 15 2016 01:15 disformation wrote: Care to explain what happened between those posts? Why are you so interested in the thread consent? What is your current read on boxerfred? Also while having some town / scum reads you have never pushed anyone this game... | ||
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If scum is not going to kill me, the activity of this game sure will. | ||
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On February 16 2016 07:47 boxerfred wrote: MD could just concede tbh. That would be grand. | ||
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8 The scumteam must shoot each night. | ||
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game is seriously pissing me off. Vet makes no sense with an unlimited doc imo... so it has to be a jk? that makes 0 sense with the night actions so far... TBH I just want this game to end. also vt. | ||
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either one of darth or MD is a just kidding or chez is actually a vet. since scum had one vanilla I would like to think that only one blue is left, meaning either cop or jk. | ||
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On February 16 2016 08:02 boxerfred wrote: or, moosy was afk all night and failed to submit a kill. What happens in this case, does anyone know? Because you know the rules say scum must shoot. | ||
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I propose lynching MD first. Any problems with that? ##vote: MoosyDoosy | ||
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Holy flower. I am not even finding scum if they post seals and flowers in the thread. | ||
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On February 07 2016 07:52 Koshi wrote: Maybe I just shoot ritoky. MD are you Hux and used your shot on ritoky just to troll your scum mate Koshi? | ||
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It is really hard to try and solve the game multiple days in a row, where nothing is happening and it did not matter that much because in the end the game solved itself. -.- If ppl have post game advise or stuff, you are welcome to hit me with that. I liked doing that VCA stuff and think I had some good points with that (well after my first bad attempt at it). Was also happy to find that koshi <> noon association later on. Early game was my usual waffle a ton, find a TR to sheep game plan, but that also worked out. Still need to be way more confident, when I actually find stuff. I also had tons of fun with being able to figure out a few of Chez's posts, I feel other ppl had way more trouble with that. Balance wasn't too bad imo, but I somehow felt the night actions were screwing town over really hard. Got a bit salty over that. | ||
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On February 16 2016 10:21 NocturneMage wrote: wait, you are apparently the one who threw Himalayas, right? | ||
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On February 16 2016 10:32 VayneAuthority wrote: its cool though, the one night i had complete control of mafia actions I rekt even if it didnt matter at all :D and GG well hosted by hosts and well played by the town, a seriously hard town to play against. Im pretty sure thats my first time being lynched as mafia ever on this website. Yeah, was a bit waffly on you until that claim/check came along. Also as I said before: night actions wrecked town quite a bit outside that one check. and yeah thanks to all the hosts. <3 | ||
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On February 16 2016 10:47 NocturneMage wrote: agreed with the disformation comments - I thought you really stepped it up late game and you were pretty obviously town early on, even if you tunnelled the shit out of me day 1. several others in day 3 and after also showed some fairly obvious town tells. chezinu....I don't know I don't really understand his playstyle, until he started breadcrumbing his checks, he was difficult to read. so disformation, keep it up, hopefully we'll roll another one as town together. ty <3. TBH I don't really regret that D1 tunnel on you, I like to make sure ppl are town before sheeping them. Part of that tunnel was the fear you were trying to get a very good town player and potential threat out of the game right of the bat, you know after seeing Palmar getting 7/8 scummers in PYP. Good thing Palmar decided to do jack all. xD There was also one comment by VA that helped me reconsider. xD Only was 100% tinfoil free regarding you, after you flipped. xD I think I overall work fairly good with VCA and association stuff because that feels like hard evidence. Still struggling hard to see goals/motivation behinds posts when I read filters and I don't like using meta on ppl I haven't played with much, but stuff like: "the timing + reason for that vote look really bad" or "confirmed scum was pushing player x all day" make tons of sense to me. So dunno. Try to form a town circle D1, sheep someone, doing VCA and association later might be my playstyle or something. xD | ||
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On February 16 2016 10:59 NocturneMage wrote: LS - Rels saved marv night 1, disformation night 2, chez night 3 I had trouble deciding n1 between va and koshi to track that night. I switched 3-4 times. 2259 I settle on va. looks like I'd have gotten a result on koshi too reading the mafia qt, though. damn. afterwards it was you, but regardless it'd have been a smattering of you/md/boxerfred/chez depending on how I felt. regardless even as vt, I'd have been pushing both va and koshi pretty hard. chez from his checks checked disformation night 1, then he was roleblocked either night 2 or night 3 but the night he wasn't roleblocked he checked disformation. I can't tell from his posts. I don't understand chez-speak lol. Chez got RB'ed N2. He checked bf/me on N1/N3. Not sure who of us he checked which night, but that isn't that tragic. Good thing he didn't hit the miller. | ||
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On February 16 2016 11:10 NocturneMage wrote: I meant you and bf, he had you listed above boxerfred, so I interpreted that as you were day 1 and boxerfred was after. damn it's late. gonna turn in. ggs again. and hts, watch it with the kp plz (kidding, I'm aware it's not easy to host, just giving her shit) seriously though, thanks hosts as usual. Oh, btw b4 I forget: you should be a bit careful about tilting. Scum would have probably shot you either way, but I felt the post where you were really raging at HtS about the strong arm shot was fairly blue indicative. I remember you went at Trfel super hard in DT, too. Just step back a bit. I know it is easier said then done, but I don't think that stuff is good for your play. | ||
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On February 16 2016 23:38 Half the Sky wrote: disformation - Well done. Not only you were easily readable as town, but you've finally found a scumhunting method that works for you, VCA and post-day 1 motives. You also did a good job on figuring out whom to sheep when you weren't 100% sure, I think Palmar's said this but that is an underrated skill as town that I think is very important. The next step is simply to combine different scumhunting methods in terms of figuring out who was most likely mafia. If you take some of the things you did day 4 like for Moosy, figuring out thoughts going nowhere and applied it to day 1-2, all the better. You had some tinfoil too early (e.g. at one point you had a Rels/marvellosity/Mage/+1 scumteam which is just insane tbh) and tinfoil is generally ferretted out by an exhaustive multi-day VCA or NK wifom/pure lategame. It's generally not an effective use of time to consider tinfoil early on, but otherwise very solid play in the late game and taking charge when the early-game leaders were gone. Thanks for the kind words. Not sure what got me this town read D1 actually. Prolly just looked like I was trying to figure out the game? That particular tinfoil was a response to VA being like "let us just use N1 to WIFOM the scum team to hell". Was pretty sure on Rels and marv and NM was a truly insane tinfoil at that point. I didn't feel like I was taking charge or something, I was just basically the only one still trying hard to figure out stuff, cause I was super paranoid I had missed some clue or something. Also the dead thread made it easier to take my time and look at inconsistencies and stuff. On February 17 2016 00:59 Rels wrote: BTW something HTS didn't say I think was that I loved your way of nitpicking every argument made in thread, you were the kinda "fact checker" of the thread which was pretty cool Another thing I probably didn't do on purpose/was noticing I was doing. Also made a lot easier by the thread moving slow as hell. | ||
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On February 17 2016 04:50 NocturneMage wrote: Points taken. Thanks. Dark Tournament there was specific language that Trfel used that made me think he was out to get me, I think had I approached it a different way I might have had a different outcome. Admittedly I'd have raged at HTS even as VT and the mafia actually yolo shot me from their QT, still not a great post considering others commented on balance and I know dick all on that. Bah. I will admit I get kinda get a bit invested in these games as both alignments I'll admit but I'll do my best to try and not come off as a dick next time. I know it's a turnoff for some. Yeah, I get being invested in games, just look how much time/effort I tried to put into a game that was pretty dead, or how whiny I got in the scum QT of DT, but I don't think posting on tilt is very productive and might as you said rub some ppl the wrong way. On February 17 2016 05:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: well many things that won 2015 were "wrong" in my opinion anyways so... just to clarify i - by no means - don't think the town played bad, they played really good, especially NM had a hell-of-a-fucking-game (and his performance was 100% nomination-worthy), but the town's collective performance was not "spectacular", it was imo how the game should go against a 75% afk mafia team. EDIT: as for the "wrong on the 2015" thing, i don't really know or have any examples and it was an exaggerated example, i don't even really care about the nominations or power ranks or shit like that. but like for one -- when i read the thread, i personally can't figure out how a cop who lynches their green check is better play (gets more votes) than the case that made the cop lynch their green check.. It just makes zero sense to me. I think I already nominated or endorsed a nomination for NM to be most improved player 2016. This was another great performance for him. His last few town games were really really good. His last performance as scum was also pretty good, which was part of made me so paranoid towards him D1. Want to see him roll scum in a vet game now. | ||
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