GB is bluehunting, I know for a fact from my newbie game as cop he was very active doing it in the mafia qt, and I even caught on to trigger phrases that the scumteam used (admittedly with the help of my coach at that time).

NocturneMage

United Kingdom1965 Posts

January 05 2016 13:22 GMT

#1063

GigyaS, I actually did. I saw both of them as mafia, but I was trying to go for the roleblocker read, GB being more active at that time. With a possible vote switch/people yet to vote, however, in the event of that flip, I also did not want to dictate how the mafia should act and only make that call openly after the fact.

(For the newbies, semi-open setup, possible veteran in said setup, mafia will want to protect the roleblocker.)

NocturneMage

United Kingdom1965 Posts

January 05 2016 13:24 GMT

#1064

I think he's the most likely to flip mafia at this point.

##vote GlowingBear

NocturneMage

United Kingdom1965 Posts

January 05 2016 13:30 GMT

#1065

On January 05 2016 17:15 Fecalfeast wrote:

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lol this is the kinda silly stuff I like do you really think this?

I actually think this is very believeable. Admittedly biased, but this is exactly how Half the Sky was thinking when she first started out on TL, she was scum read very often, got wagoned very often, and one of the very first things she learnt, was figuring out who was mafia pushing her aggressively, who might be blue and possibly more subtle or not showing an agenda. She tried to read blues even as town so that if she needed to push back, she didn't want to trigger a blue claim by accident.

disformation

Germany8352 Posts

January 05 2016 13:47 GMT

#1066

Vote Count - Day 3

GlowingBear (1): NocturneMage

Not Voting (7): Kmatt, Fecalfeast, GiygaS, Fidei86, mderg, GlowingBear, nooniansoong

At this time, GlowingBear is slated to be lynched.
Day 3 ends in on Wednesday, Jan 06 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00).

The voting thread is here.
Only votes there will be counted.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

January 05 2016 14:24 GMT

#1067

Ugh lots of people seem to be switching onto GB but I haven't really seen a convincing case yet. I'd much rather lynch into mderg/Gigya/KMatt. NM what are these phrases you talk about? I don't remember looking at the Mafia QT in NSM XIV..

nooniansoong

1538 Posts

January 05 2016 14:28 GMT

#1068

On January 05 2016 23:24 Fidei86 wrote:
Ugh lots of people seem to be switching onto GB but I haven't really seen a convincing case yet. I'd much rather lynch into mderg/Gigya/KMatt. NM what are these phrases you talk about? I don't remember looking at the Mafia QT in NSM XIV..

I see you defending GB a lot, but I don't see you putting forth good reasons to vote mderg/gigya/kmatt.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

January 05 2016 14:29 GMT

#1069

Like the charge that GB switching onto Scott was scummy is just not that strong. It was a contested lynch and town consolidate. So if GB is scum then it's not for that.

Fidei86

United Kingdom2116 Posts

January 05 2016 14:32 GMT

#1070

On January 05 2016 23:28 nooniansoong wrote:

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I see you defending GB a lot, but I don't see you putting forth good reasons to vote mderg/gigya/kmatt.

Yeah I'm phone posting at work this evening. I'm hoping my TL will be working from home tonight and I can get into it. The short answer is Gigya has offered no content, mderg has been entirely responsive and reactive, and KMatt's tunnel on GB is getting very fishy. But I really want to double check those with filters because I might be getting too tunnelled myself.

NocturneMage

United Kingdom1965 Posts

January 05 2016 15:53 GMT

#1071

GigyaS is a coinflip to me, he very well could be mafia, if someone wants to make a meta argument or has some degree of familiarity with him, that's great but we're in lylo and in mylo/lylo, you go with the most likely chance of hitting scum.

NocturneMage

United Kingdom1965 Posts

January 05 2016 15:55 GMT

#1072

Fidei, first I'm the only vote atm, but I get it, many people have scumread GB at points. I don't like the last question he asked KMatt, it's the type of question that will either get potential blues to talk about themselves in a way that out themselves or it gets newbies to talk about themselves in a way that will narrow down who the blues actually are based on their reads or their answers. As for 14, if you read the qt, GB goes point by point trying to narrow down the blues based on reactions and reads. There was one specific phrase in particular made by mafia Copcake (by this time GB was dead mind you) after a mislynch that actually was a root cause of my checking her that night although other factors did come into play.

on mobile, can retrieve later.

NocturneMage

United Kingdom1965 Posts

January 05 2016 16:06 GMT

#1073

KMatt is newb town, not lynching him today.

If you are looking at mderg, then take a look at how he responded to me, his key argument against Noon is that Noon is framing his arguments to be exclusively mafia. My only concern based on mderg's response to me is that when he says he's sure he's on mafia, he will push them pretty hard, but I've not seen that so far. This is by his own standards.

Noon is making the same argument as you on mderg though, and the way this game has been going there's a decent shot one of them is mafia, and I think particularly as Noon's claimed scum meta is similar to mderg's scum meta here, I will probably need to resolve those two using the database as well as how this cycle goes.

NocturneMage

United Kingdom1965 Posts

January 05 2016 16:51 GMT

#1074

On January 06 2016 01:06 NocturneMage wrote:
KMatt is newb town, not lynching him today.

If you are looking at mderg, then take a look at how he responded to me, his key argument against Noon is that Noon is framing his arguments to be exclusively mafia. My only concern based on mderg's response to me is that when he says he's sure he's on mafia, he will push them pretty hard, but I've not seen that so far. This is by his own standards.

Noon is making the same argument as you on mderg though, and the way this game has been going there's a decent shot one of them is mafia, and I think particularly as Noon's claimed scum meta is similar to mderg's scum meta here, I will probably need to resolve those two using the database as well as how this cycle goes.

EBWOP - poorly worded phrasing

And I think particularly with Noon's claim on mderg's scum meta being reflected in this game.

GiygaS

Canada1043 Posts

January 05 2016 16:58 GMT

#1075

I can't be around much of today since its my second day of a new job. I'm not going to make the same mistake again and I'm going to vote GB.

##vote GlowingBear

NocturneMage

United Kingdom1965 Posts

January 05 2016 17:15 GMT

#1076

Bah browser crashed, one more thing to say.

I had a scum read on Shapelog prior to departure.

FF from the two games I've played with him has shown he doesn't care both as town (newbie 17) and as scum (Dark Tournament). Here, FF comes in catching up with a light townread on Fidei and a scumread on mderg. So far he seems to care. That is probably town indicative.

He pushes mderg as a scumread. My concern here is that answers he's looking for to determine the latter's alignment can be found in a conversation and not necessarily forced into a case. Now I realise people do ask for cases when they are trying to catch up or links to posts but contextually this was a conversation they were having at the present time he asked for a case.

"Why not make one now" (post 1040) reads to me like a "gotcha phrase" something I would have expected would have been "alright, based on reason X can you further elaborate" or "can you give me a link to a post that supports what you are saying in your last post" working with his preferred way to do things, given how mderg has played all game. (One-liners/conversational style isn't in of itself scummy.)

This could be just me reading too much into semantics but that was what I pulled from that exchange.

Finally I do want to see what comes of posts 1038-40.

GlowingBear

Brazil12446 Posts

January 05 2016 17:22 GMT

#1077

Kmatt, Giygas, can you give your opinions on every other players in the game please?

GlowingBear

Brazil12446 Posts

January 05 2016 17:26 GMT

#1078

On January 05 2016 22:17 NocturneMage wrote:
GB is bluehunting, I know for a fact from my newbie game as cop he was very active doing it in the mafia qt, and I even caught on to trigger phrases that the scumteam used (admittedly with the help of my coach at that time).

When did the idea that I was blue hunting first crossed your mind?