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Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
January 05 2016 21:47 GMT
#1101
Other than the weird, totally not GB-like, voting with his scumread I think GB looks towny enough. So no, I'm not going to hop on the GB train until someone dunks him with a case. My initial scumread on GB was based solely on his vote and is really my only reason to be scumreading him.

This is hardly a wagon, anyway.
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Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
January 05 2016 21:59 GMT
#1102
so the only person who hasn't made any posts this day phase is mderg who totally bailed after I started asking him stuff.

##vote mderg

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Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
January 05 2016 22:00 GMT
#1103
On January 06 2016 06:47 Fecalfeast wrote:
Other than the weird, totally not GB-like, voting with his scumread I think GB looks towny enough. So no, I'm not going to hop on the GB train until someone dunks him with a case. My initial scumread on GB was based solely on his vote and is really my only reason to be scumreading him.

This is hardly a wagon, anyway.

it's totally a wagon now that I actually look at the voting thread.

ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
January 05 2016 22:11 GMT
#1104
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but it's literally in his diagram
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Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
January 05 2016 22:14 GMT
#1105
wait wtf he had like 0 minutes to dwitch when giygas voted....

yeah gb might be town
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Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
January 05 2016 22:18 GMT
#1106
This wagon on GB gives me the super heebie-jeebies. There are too many people jumping onto it too easily and with too little explanation. I think we should be lynching mderg instead, for the following reasons:

His first read on GB makes no sense

At #237 he notes that people are quick to jump on GB, for reasons that he agrees with "his opening was fishy", but he doesn't like it because it "feels too easy". So the opening is scummy, but people pointing that out is fishy? Huh?

His second read on GB is based on a falsity

Day 2 he votes GB initially (#741) for absolutely shit reasons - GB quoted Irish's reads accurately, and tried to do some NK WIFOM. Mderg then said that GB had NOT given Irish's reads correctly (which GB had) and voted for him. When called out on it, he tried to say that GB had cherry picked votes, which he HADN'T. This is just a read based on a factual innaccuracy, but instead of admitting the mistake, he doubles down.

He parrots other people's reasons for voting

His Scott vote at #455 was for reasons that had already been set out by others (set out helpfully by Irish at #441). On top of that, he also says that he's going to "park his vote" there, which is pretty scummy as it indicates a lack of conviction and looks to be leaving himself room to change later. He doesn't actually change his vote, despite not really saying anything about scott through the rest of the day.

When he finally explained his GB read after the #741 issue, he basically just summarised what people had said previously about GB. Then at #815 he calls out Kmatt's case, but says that he agrees with some of it and that GB is scum anyway.

His posts are responsive and reactive.

Most of his posts throughout his filter are responses to other posts. It's a classic scum technique of appearing active, while actually not contributing anything. See, for example, #599, #587, although really most of his filter fits the pattern.

His only long posts have come recently, and they seem to have mostly been an explanation of his own play in past games ... big help.

LYNCH mderg. Please.

##vote: mderg
mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
January 05 2016 22:21 GMT
#1107
On January 06 2016 06:59 Fecalfeast wrote:
so the only person who hasn't made any posts this day phase is mderg who totally bailed after I started asking him stuff.

##vote mderg


You do realize that I'm from a different part of the world than you and most humans need something called sleep?
I do know that you have your reasons to vote me but this makes me a bit sad.


People should already know my opinion about gb
##vote glowingbear
mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
January 05 2016 22:23 GMT
#1108
On January 06 2016 07:18 Fidei86 wrote:
This wagon on GB gives me the super heebie-jeebies. There are too many people jumping onto it too easily and with too little explanation. I think we should be lynching mderg instead, for the following reasons:

His first read on GB makes no sense

At #237 he notes that people are quick to jump on GB, for reasons that he agrees with "his opening was fishy", but he doesn't like it because it "feels too easy". So the opening is scummy, but people pointing that out is fishy? Huh?

His second read on GB is based on a falsity

Day 2 he votes GB initially (#741) for absolutely shit reasons - GB quoted Irish's reads accurately, and tried to do some NK WIFOM. Mderg then said that GB had NOT given Irish's reads correctly (which GB had) and voted for him. When called out on it, he tried to say that GB had cherry picked votes, which he HADN'T. This is just a read based on a factual innaccuracy, but instead of admitting the mistake, he doubles down.

He parrots other people's reasons for voting

His Scott vote at #455 was for reasons that had already been set out by others (set out helpfully by Irish at #441). On top of that, he also says that he's going to "park his vote" there, which is pretty scummy as it indicates a lack of conviction and looks to be leaving himself room to change later. He doesn't actually change his vote, despite not really saying anything about scott through the rest of the day.

When he finally explained his GB read after the #741 issue, he basically just summarised what people had said previously about GB. Then at #815 he calls out Kmatt's case, but says that he agrees with some of it and that GB is scum anyway.

His posts are responsive and reactive.

Most of his posts throughout his filter are responses to other posts. It's a classic scum technique of appearing active, while actually not contributing anything. See, for example, #599, #587, although really most of his filter fits the pattern.

His only long posts have come recently, and they seem to have mostly been an explanation of his own play in past games ... big help.

LYNCH mderg. Please.

##vote: mderg

Haven't actually read this, yet. But what I bolded is just factually wrong.
mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
January 05 2016 22:27 GMT
#1109
On January 06 2016 01:51 NocturneMage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2016 01:06 NocturneMage wrote:
KMatt is newb town, not lynching him today.

If you are looking at mderg, then take a look at how he responded to me, his key argument against Noon is that Noon is framing his arguments to be exclusively mafia. My only concern based on mderg's response to me is that when he says he's sure he's on mafia, he will push them pretty hard, but I've not seen that so far. This is by his own standards.

Noon is making the same argument as you on mderg though, and the way this game has been going there's a decent shot one of them is mafia, and I think particularly as Noon's claimed scum meta is similar to mderg's scum meta here, I will probably need to resolve those two using the database as well as how this cycle goes.


EBWOP - poorly worded phrasing

And I think particularly with Noon's claim on mderg's scum meta being reflected in this game.

Just saying, if you're checking my scum meta, you should also check my town meta.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
January 05 2016 22:40 GMT
#1110
On January 03 2016 00:55 mderg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2016 00:38 GlowingBear wrote:
There's a reason Irish is dead and I'm not. The reason is that he was probably right at least for one of his scum reads.

His scum reads were kush/Giygas/Scott. Scott is dead, I think kush is more likely to be town. So I'm voting Giygas because I simply have no reason to town read him.

That gigantic post from Kmatt probably makes him town. If I had a wrong scum read, it is him. I keep my scumread on mderg and Onegu, tho.

To be fair, I'm pretty confident we hit a Mafia on mderg. But considering the night kill we should probably kill Giygas first.

I don't like this post at all. You're simply using his reads to vote without giving it any real thought. You're also ignoring pretty much all of his other reads this game. That's not town play.

##vote GB

This is your post. So it's not so much that you said that the reads were wrong, but that they were misleading. I just don't see how you could think that. GB posted all of Irish's scum reads, which was the basis of GB's post.
mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
January 05 2016 22:43 GMT
#1111
On January 06 2016 07:18 Fidei86 wrote:
This wagon on GB gives me the super heebie-jeebies. There are too many people jumping onto it too easily and with too little explanation. I think we should be lynching mderg instead, for the following reasons:

His first read on GB makes no sense

At #237 he notes that people are quick to jump on GB, for reasons that he agrees with "his opening was fishy", but he doesn't like it because it "feels too easy". So the opening is scummy, but people pointing that out is fishy? Huh?

His second read on GB is based on a falsity

Day 2 he votes GB initially (#741) for absolutely shit reasons - GB quoted Irish's reads accurately, and tried to do some NK WIFOM. Mderg then said that GB had NOT given Irish's reads correctly (which GB had) and voted for him. When called out on it, he tried to say that GB had cherry picked votes, which he HADN'T. This is just a read based on a factual innaccuracy, but instead of admitting the mistake, he doubles down.

He parrots other people's reasons for voting

His Scott vote at #455 was for reasons that had already been set out by others (set out helpfully by Irish at #441). On top of that, he also says that he's going to "park his vote" there, which is pretty scummy as it indicates a lack of conviction and looks to be leaving himself room to change later. He doesn't actually change his vote, despite not really saying anything about scott through the rest of the day.

When he finally explained his GB read after the #741 issue, he basically just summarised what people had said previously about GB. Then at #815 he calls out Kmatt's case, but says that he agrees with some of it and that GB is scum anyway.

His posts are responsive and reactive.

Most of his posts throughout his filter are responses to other posts. It's a classic scum technique of appearing active, while actually not contributing anything. See, for example, #599, #587, although really most of his filter fits the pattern.

His only long posts have come recently, and they seem to have mostly been an explanation of his own play in past games ... big help.

LYNCH mderg. Please.

##vote: mderg

Ok, done reading this.

1) what I meant was if everyone just piled on gb for that without any counterwagon, it would be unlikely that he's scum.

2) factually wrong

3) the vote parking should be pretty obvious in context. I said that I wasn't sure to be back before deadline.
If you think my reasons for scumreading GB are simply repeating what others have said, you're free to think that but it doesn't change the reality. Of course I took into consideration what others have said but I also gave my own reasons and I've been talking about not liking GB before.

4) I've actually heard something similar quite a few times. I don't hide that a lot of my posts are reactive but that's just how it is.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
January 05 2016 22:47 GMT
#1112
Vote Count - Day 3


GlowingBear (5): NocturneMage, GiygaS, Kmatt, nooniansoong, mderg
mderg (2): Fecalfeast, Fidei86

Not Voting (1): GlowingBear

At this time, GlowingBear is slated to be lynched.
Day 3 ends in on Wednesday, Jan 06 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00).

The voting thread is here.
Only votes there will be counted.

mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
January 05 2016 22:49 GMT
#1113
On January 06 2016 07:40 Fidei86 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2016 00:55 mderg wrote:
On January 03 2016 00:38 GlowingBear wrote:
There's a reason Irish is dead and I'm not. The reason is that he was probably right at least for one of his scum reads.

His scum reads were kush/Giygas/Scott. Scott is dead, I think kush is more likely to be town. So I'm voting Giygas because I simply have no reason to town read him.

That gigantic post from Kmatt probably makes him town. If I had a wrong scum read, it is him. I keep my scumread on mderg and Onegu, tho.

To be fair, I'm pretty confident we hit a Mafia on mderg. But considering the night kill we should probably kill Giygas first.

I don't like this post at all. You're simply using his reads to vote without giving it any real thought. You're also ignoring pretty much all of his other reads this game. That's not town play.

##vote GB

This is your post. So it's not so much that you said that the reads were wrong, but that they were misleading. I just don't see how you could think that. GB posted all of Irish's scum reads, which was the basis of GB's post.

I feel like you're arguing about semantics. Of course he wrote down Irish's reads but he simply listed them down and picked the one that was more suitable for him.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
January 05 2016 22:50 GMT
#1114
On January 06 2016 07:49 mderg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2016 07:40 Fidei86 wrote:
On January 03 2016 00:55 mderg wrote:
On January 03 2016 00:38 GlowingBear wrote:
There's a reason Irish is dead and I'm not. The reason is that he was probably right at least for one of his scum reads.

His scum reads were kush/Giygas/Scott. Scott is dead, I think kush is more likely to be town. So I'm voting Giygas because I simply have no reason to town read him.

That gigantic post from Kmatt probably makes him town. If I had a wrong scum read, it is him. I keep my scumread on mderg and Onegu, tho.

To be fair, I'm pretty confident we hit a Mafia on mderg. But considering the night kill we should probably kill Giygas first.

I don't like this post at all. You're simply using his reads to vote without giving it any real thought. You're also ignoring pretty much all of his other reads this game. That's not town play.

##vote GB

This is your post. So it's not so much that you said that the reads were wrong, but that they were misleading. I just don't see how you could think that. GB posted all of Irish's scum reads, which was the basis of GB's post.

I feel like you're arguing about semantics. Of course he wrote down Irish's reads but he simply listed them down and picked the one that was more suitable for him.

That was the point of his post - discussing Irish's scum reads..
mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
January 05 2016 22:55 GMT
#1115
On January 06 2016 07:50 Fidei86 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2016 07:49 mderg wrote:
On January 06 2016 07:40 Fidei86 wrote:
On January 03 2016 00:55 mderg wrote:
On January 03 2016 00:38 GlowingBear wrote:
There's a reason Irish is dead and I'm not. The reason is that he was probably right at least for one of his scum reads.

His scum reads were kush/Giygas/Scott. Scott is dead, I think kush is more likely to be town. So I'm voting Giygas because I simply have no reason to town read him.

That gigantic post from Kmatt probably makes him town. If I had a wrong scum read, it is him. I keep my scumread on mderg and Onegu, tho.

To be fair, I'm pretty confident we hit a Mafia on mderg. But considering the night kill we should probably kill Giygas first.

I don't like this post at all. You're simply using his reads to vote without giving it any real thought. You're also ignoring pretty much all of his other reads this game. That's not town play.

##vote GB

This is your post. So it's not so much that you said that the reads were wrong, but that they were misleading. I just don't see how you could think that. GB posted all of Irish's scum reads, which was the basis of GB's post.

I feel like you're arguing about semantics. Of course he wrote down Irish's reads but he simply listed them down and picked the one that was more suitable for him.

That was the point of his post - discussing Irish's scum reads..

I don't think so. If he had wanted to discuss those reads, he should and would have done so in a completely different manner.
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
January 05 2016 23:04 GMT
#1116
ew fidei stop that

you're scum for no good reasons, remember?
ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
January 05 2016 23:05 GMT
#1117
He literally said the reason he was not dead was because Irish was right in one of his scum reads. Then he gave Irish's scum reads.
mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
January 05 2016 23:06 GMT
#1118
On January 06 2016 08:05 Fidei86 wrote:
He literally said the reason he was not dead was because Irish was right in one of his scum reads. Then he gave Irish's scum reads.

Exactly that plus he simply decided it had to be giygas and voted him.
mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
January 05 2016 23:39 GMT
#1119
Gonna sleep now. Will be able to commit more time to this tomorrow.
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
January 05 2016 23:41 GMT
#1120
On January 06 2016 08:04 Fecalfeast wrote:
ew fidei stop that

you're scum for no good reasons, remember?

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