EPTNewbie Student Mafia XVIII - Page 58
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GlowingBear
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On January 06 2016 09:45 NocturneMage wrote: GB, I read that post a few times and tried to break down what you are trying to do with the question. That's the issue. The direction of your question made no sense to me - the question centred around something that was already known to begin with when the statement was made and when you asked it. I don't recall him ever scumreading or townreading that slot to begin with (and even if he did, then????) and I am not sure what you could do with the information other than to say wait he didn't have a read but why would it matter now since he's flipped. Additionally, when I read the question I get extremely wary of anything that discusses blue roles/situations/reads outside situations where there are claims/counterclaims/fakeclaims near end of cycle, and even then sometimes you have to be careful. There was a potential risk that you get a reaction where a townie - especially a newbie townie - is going to spew something that further helps narrow the field down or outright gives himself away. In general, it reminded me of what happened right after the lynch I discussed in newbie 14. I always review scum qts especially when scum endgame and what stuck out to me was your rolehunting. So taking it into account who it was coming from, I got concerned. NM: 1) I never role hunt in thread. All the information you have about my role hunting is based on what you've seen in a QT. IN A QT. I don't even know how to ask things in order to know people's roles. I just can distinguish kinda well when someone plays while being or not a power role. 2) That blue role is dead so I have no idea how I could be blue hunting for that guy. 3) How can I manage to discover roles by asking that question? 4) My intention to ask that question is to see how his answer stands to his posts in the thread. I couldn't see a single hint that the cow was blue. How that guy could? If he saw something very obscure it is because HE is blue hunting. | ||
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GlowingBear
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Giving early town reads? Tell me Mafia motivation to do that. So you think I would narrow my lynch targets right out of the bat for the sake of being town read by it, but UH OH it doesn't give ME a town read :/. Being inactive? I have been posting whenever I can and being really transparent with things I say. What else? Being nice to newbies in the beginning of the game? Ok, so not only I can't get laid being nice, I can't also do it playing Mafia? Rofl | ||
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GlowingBear
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On January 06 2016 09:41 Fecalfeast wrote: The main reason i had him as scum was he stayed on onegu while his scumread gigyas voted onegu too. The timing means gb had little time to move if any at all so my reason for scumming hin is invalid My scum read Onegu also voted the other wagon. So I would've voted with my scum reads castng my vote in any wagon. I've already explained that although the chart says I never vote with my scum reads as town, this isn't true. I'm well aware of the possibility of being wrong on these guys or even the possibility of a bus. I take who are voting with me as a complementary information. If I'm certain someone is Mafia, who votes with me doesn't really matter that much | ||
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GlowingBear
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On January 06 2016 04:48 nooniansoong wrote: ok so why do you think it's a good idea to base your scumread of gigyas on his if you admit that's not why he was killed. I don't admit that. I admit that Irish was killed because he was looking townie. Which doesn't mean Mafia didn't think he was also a danger to the team while scum reading Giygas. But the reason I scum read Giygas is that it is already day3 and I know nothing about his reads. He is not engaged, he is not investigating. He is here, comes by and do nothing. There is something in particular: he decided to vote me last day. After asking me questions that I answered and made him say "oh yes you're right you already said that". What I mean is that, from our interaction, you can see that he had a suspicion on something about me and when proved wrong, he backtracked. Therefore, it basically means he dropped his suspicions on me. Why voting me, then? It came out of the blue. Then Gyigas voted Onegu. Again, what under Giygas POV makes him switch to Onegu's wagon? Basically, me and Onegu are never partners for the way we've pushed each other. So if Giygas actually was scum reading me, how come he switches to Onegu? | ||
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Kmatt
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GiygaS
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disformation
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Vote Count - Day 3 GlowingBear (5): NocturneMage, GiygaS, Kmatt, nooniansoong, mderg mderg (2): Fecalfeast, Fidei86 Not Voting (1): GlowingBear At this time, GlowingBear is slated to be lynched. Day 3 ends in on Wednesday, Jan 06 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00). The voting thread is here. Only votes there will be counted. | ||
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nooniansoong
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On January 06 2016 17:16 GiygaS wrote: Like I'm right that fdei's post could easily be from a town if GB is town right? Chainsaw is only a scumtell if the person they are defending is scum. But then who's scum? I have solid town reads on noon, kmatt and nm. Which means I'm wrong about one of those people or the scum team is 3 of GB, fdei, ff and mderg. Makes a lot more sense for the first 3 to be a scum team than the last one to be on a team with GB and fdei after fdei's post. Fideis case is still a chainsaw defense even if gb isn't scum. Also it's full of misrepresentations. Gb your reason for voting gigyas was bad and scummy. There's other Scummy stuff in forgetting. What Seals the deal is the general lack of towniness. | ||
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nooniansoong
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Fidei86
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On January 06 2016 10:08 NocturneMage wrote: Alright, that second point is bad. Wow. I just don't understand this pov. GB said that he thought there was something to be gained by looking at Irish's scum reads. GB then accurately recited Irish's scum reads. Mderg then basically said that GB had done so in a misleading way. But mderg didn't follow up that point by saying "oh yeah you actually can tell something from the other reads Irish had". It isn't like he was trying to make a nuanced argument based on that point, he just shit on GB fullstop. And even if he had, it doesn't matter anyway because GB wasn't purporting to talk about all of Irish's reads in the first place. To me, that is mderg trying to scum GB for bad reasons, at best. And that is following on from his GB read which honestly has made no sense to me the entire game. | ||
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Fidei86
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On January 06 2016 10:16 NocturneMage wrote: And third point is also really bad (out of context) because he stated that he couldn't be back before deadline. So that is actually not alignment indicative. So you can definitely make the argument once you read in for context, that Fidei is taking something that isn't alignment indicative and making it so. Fourth point is subjective but we already have half the case shot so... The third point isn't about him parking his vote on GB, it's about the fact that ALL the cases he has posted have actually just been reposts of what other people have said, or re-packagings thereof. If we're going to talk about people misrepresenting stuff NM, perhaps you should look in a fucking mirror. | ||
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nooniansoong
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Fidei86
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On January 06 2016 17:16 GiygaS wrote: Like I'm right that fdei's post could easily be from a town if GB is town right? Chainsaw is only a scumtell if the person they are defending is scum. But then who's scum? I have solid town reads on noon, kmatt and nm. Which means I'm wrong about one of those people or the scum team is 3 of GB, fdei, ff and mderg. Makes a lot more sense for the first 3 to be a scum team than the last one to be on a team with GB and fdei after fdei's post. I agree, I don't think GB and mderg can possibly be on a scum team. | ||
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Fidei86
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On January 06 2016 21:21 nooniansoong wrote: And fidei he wasn't just looking at irishs scum reads. He was using that as the basis for his scumread of Gigas. Yeah, I agree that it was NK WIFOM and probably wasn't that helpful. But it's something that townies do all the time and it didn't seem out of place. If that had been mderg's point then I'd have been fine with it. If mderg had tried to work with GB to get the full picture on Irish's reads then that's fine too. But he went straight to scumming GB. That's the part I have a serious issue with. | ||
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Fidei86
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On January 06 2016 21:20 nooniansoong wrote: Irish said he had to re-read and reasses therefore his scum reads were going to change This is a very fair point (and a townie point to make as well), but it's not the point mderg made. | ||
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NocturneMage
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On January 06 2016 21:10 Fidei86 wrote: I just don't understand this pov. GB said that he thought there was something to be gained by looking at Irish's scum reads. GB then accurately recited Irish's scum reads. Mderg then basically said that GB had done so in a misleading way. But mderg didn't follow up that point by saying "oh yeah you actually can tell something from the other reads Irish had". It isn't like he was trying to make a nuanced argument based on that point, he just shit on GB fullstop. And even if he had, it doesn't matter anyway because GB wasn't purporting to talk about all of Irish's reads in the first place. To me, that is mderg trying to scum GB for bad reasons, at best. And that is following on from his GB read which honestly has made no sense to me the entire game. It wasn't the recitation of the scum reads that was a problem, it was how it was being used. I had the same problem. You're confusing use with intention. It wasn't confirming the scumreads, it was what he did with the Irish scumreads. Those are two separate points. And GB not purporting to talk.....he didn't need to. | ||
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