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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
January 06 2016 00:13 GMT
#1121
Back, reading and catching up.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
January 06 2016 00:39 GMT
#1122
On January 06 2016 07:14 Fecalfeast wrote:
wait wtf he had like 0 minutes to dwitch when giygas voted....

yeah gb might be town


Shennanies happens all the time hitting people of both alignments. How is the timing alignment indicative?
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
January 06 2016 00:40 GMT
#1123
Or is that in reference to GigyaS voting - I don't recall you having a read on him.
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Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
January 06 2016 00:41 GMT
#1124
The main reason i had him as scum was he stayed on onegu while his scumread gigyas voted onegu too. The timing means gb had little time to move if any at all so my reason for scumming hin is invalid
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
January 06 2016 00:45 GMT
#1125
GB, I read that post a few times and tried to break down what you are trying to do with the question. That's the issue. The direction of your question made no sense to me - the question centred around something that was already known to begin with when the statement was made and when you asked it.

I don't recall him ever scumreading or townreading that slot to begin with (and even if he did, then????) and I am not sure what you could do with the information other than to say wait he didn't have a read but why would it matter now since he's flipped. Additionally, when I read the question I get extremely wary of anything that discusses blue roles/situations/reads outside situations where there are claims/counterclaims/fakeclaims near end of cycle, and even then sometimes you have to be careful. There was a potential risk that you get a reaction where a townie - especially a newbie townie - is going to spew something that further helps narrow the field down or outright gives himself away.

In general, it reminded me of what happened right after the lynch I discussed in newbie 14. I always review scum qts especially when scum endgame and what stuck out to me was your rolehunting. So taking it into account who it was coming from, I got concerned.
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
January 06 2016 00:45 GMT
#1126
On January 06 2016 09:41 Fecalfeast wrote:
The main reason i had him as scum was he stayed on onegu while his scumread gigyas voted onegu too. The timing means gb had little time to move if any at all so my reason for scumming hin is invalid


Ah gotcha. Wasn't sure if I was misunderstanding something with voting analysis.
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nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 06 2016 00:46 GMT
#1127
On January 06 2016 07:18 Fidei86 wrote:
This wagon on GB gives me the super heebie-jeebies. There are too many people jumping onto it too easily and with too little explanation. I think we should be lynching mderg instead, for the following reasons:

His first read on GB makes no sense

At #237 he notes that people are quick to jump on GB, for reasons that he agrees with "his opening was fishy", but he doesn't like it because it "feels too easy". So the opening is scummy, but people pointing that out is fishy? Huh?

His second read on GB is based on a falsity

Day 2 he votes GB initially (#741) for absolutely shit reasons - GB quoted Irish's reads accurately, and tried to do some NK WIFOM. Mderg then said that GB had NOT given Irish's reads correctly (which GB had) and voted for him. When called out on it, he tried to say that GB had cherry picked votes, which he HADN'T. This is just a read based on a factual innaccuracy, but instead of admitting the mistake, he doubles down.

He parrots other people's reasons for voting

His Scott vote at #455 was for reasons that had already been set out by others (set out helpfully by Irish at #441). On top of that, he also says that he's going to "park his vote" there, which is pretty scummy as it indicates a lack of conviction and looks to be leaving himself room to change later. He doesn't actually change his vote, despite not really saying anything about scott through the rest of the day.

When he finally explained his GB read after the #741 issue, he basically just summarised what people had said previously about GB. Then at #815 he calls out Kmatt's case, but says that he agrees with some of it and that GB is scum anyway.

His posts are responsive and reactive.

Most of his posts throughout his filter are responses to other posts. It's a classic scum technique of appearing active, while actually not contributing anything. See, for example, #599, #587, although really most of his filter fits the pattern.

His only long posts have come recently, and they seem to have mostly been an explanation of his own play in past games ... big help.

LYNCH mderg. Please.

##vote: mderg


omg it's the legendary chainsaw defense!
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 06 2016 00:47 GMT
#1128
chainsaw defense is when you defend one player by attacking another. It's a classic scumtell.
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 06 2016 00:50 GMT
#1129
@nm
fidei's case is total bs.
agree or disagree?
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 06 2016 00:58 GMT
#1130
so guess it's fidei, oo, gb.
well played fidei this scumgame was actually a lot better than your last one.
But that case against mderg is so scummy lol.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
January 06 2016 01:00 GMT
#1131
It's scummy if it's out of context, what I will need to do is to read the cited posts in context and to see where his direction is.

Part of the issue jumping in there and saying its chainsaw defence is that mderg and GB honestly have been scumming each other all game, and you can't argue that them scumreading each other HASN'T been central to how the other has played.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
January 06 2016 01:01 GMT
#1132
I can understand the Fidei/GB connection as he has been defending GB all game though, but that's pre-flip.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
January 06 2016 01:02 GMT
#1133
mderg said the second point was factually inaccurate so I'll start there.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
January 06 2016 01:08 GMT
#1134
Alright, that second point is bad. Wow.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
January 06 2016 01:09 GMT
#1135
First point is phrased weird, but mderg's explanation makes sense. Second point about the cherry picking is really bad.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
January 06 2016 01:16 GMT
#1136
And third point is also really bad (out of context) because he stated that he couldn't be back before deadline. So that is actually not alignment indicative. So you can definitely make the argument once you read in for context, that Fidei is taking something that isn't alignment indicative and making it so.

Fourth point is subjective but we already have half the case shot so...
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
January 06 2016 01:17 GMT
#1137
On January 06 2016 09:58 nooniansoong wrote:
so guess it's fidei, oo, gb.
well played fidei this scumgame was actually a lot better than your last one.
But that case against mderg is so scummy lol.


Dumb question, but who's OO?
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
January 06 2016 01:21 GMT
#1138
I mean there's an OO in a certain ongoing game that we're both in, but he's not in here?
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
nooniansoong
Profile Joined December 2015
1538 Posts
January 06 2016 01:25 GMT
#1139
by OO I mean FF lol.

They both have really similar playstyles so I confuse them a lot.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
January 06 2016 02:26 GMT
#1140
Vote Count - Day 3


GlowingBear (5): NocturneMage, GiygaS, Kmatt, nooniansoong, mderg
mderg (2): Fecalfeast, Fidei86

Not Voting (1): GlowingBear

At this time, GlowingBear is slated to be lynched.
Day 3 ends in on Wednesday, Jan 06 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00).

The voting thread is here.
Only votes there will be counted.

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