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TheCow
Canada24 Posts
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mderg
Germany1740 Posts
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Kmatt
United States1019 Posts
On December 30 2015 10:03 TheCow wrote: 1) Kmatt appears to be sort of inconsistent with his stances in a way which -- in my eyes -- suggests he's playing in a opportunistic manner. First example: Posts 187 and 192. Since this is my first Mafia game, yes, I am looking to other posts to see what I can contribute to the thread. I don't know what post 192 has to do with me (I'll assume it's a typo). 2) The appearance of minor [active lurking] in that I cannot see many definitive stances, contention points, or general conviction in his filter. I elaborated on this earlier, and I still don't believe I have enough evidence to incriminate anyone. Even my GiygaS vote is based on posting activity rather than content. If some people who aren't ShapeLog or trying to get me killed would post I would have a much easier time with this. 3) Flimsy accusations where they exist (Kmatt->GB, Kmatt->Onegu). Again, like with GiygaS, my only gripe against GB was his attitude rather than his arguments or contents (and for now I've dropped those suspicions). As for Onegu, I actually forgot he's in this game. Like I griped above, the posting activity is minimal while I'm online so I've got jack to work with. I never accused him of being scum, just that I wished he would post something of substance. | ||
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nooniansoong
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
On December 30 2015 01:15 Shapelog wrote: Onegu does whatever Onegu does. He expects everyone to follow him IMO like he is town jesus. Onegu could honestly mean to vote Fidei based off of no explanation or lack of explanation. When he was smurfing he was quite aggressive last game. But if i was to take off the meta glasses of mislynchs, I see either a horrible pressure vote or a troll vote IMO. I mean im guessing the "how about this" was to draw out a reaction of sorts. No the [S] was because i was being too trolololoing. Idc if he has problems with my playstyle (or hopefully my old play style). His opinion is his opinion And no i wasn't Afk, i went to grab my grits and it takes me a bit of time to type due to me misspelling every word and having to go back and retype it. This is really hard to tell at first, probably a troll vote, seeing Onegu's filter, also that Fidei has posted after that troll vote and has done nothing and Onegu in resurfacing isn't doing anything with the reaction so it's definitely not pressure I would say. Onegu not making anything of it is null at best, although trolling is something I would associate more with scum. The afk comment btw, was in reference to myself going afk, though, not you. | ||
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
On December 29 2015 20:17 Fidei86 wrote: I don't understand your read on Gigya versus your read on ShapeLog. I read Gigya's thread and I agree with what you say - it's basically soft town reads on a couple of people based on activity with the rest OOC filler. But then, look at ShapeLog's filter. It's mostly the same, except three times longer. Can you explain this post when you can? You are saying that you agreed with the read on GigyaS, and thus you scumread him (????) but then you are making a like to like comparison to Shapelog who you are townreading? Can you explain if this affects your townread on Shapelog or whether it should because I don't otherwise understand what you are getting at here? | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
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TheCow
Canada24 Posts
192 was a mistake. | ||
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
Could KMatt be scum (there's a post I'll draw attention to, it was the one where he drops the GB scumread, it could be scum backing down or dropping a read or it could be a townie new to the game lacking confidence) - sure. But you would think the townie thing to do particularly of a veteran player would be to engage or further engage him. Wishy washy filter? okay. Vote placed? Okay. Reaction test and explanation? Okay. What are you doing with either the reaction test OR the scumread? Nothing. ??????????????????? | ||
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
It doesn't make any sense. | ||
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
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NocturneMage
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Irishbound
42 Posts
@Fidei - I'm not really sure how you were "meta town reading Scott" when a) You haven't seen him scum play before and b) You've stated that his play in his town games wasn't the same in all three. Can you explain that to me a little more please? I'm strongly against policy lynching, it's far better to aim to hit scum (And I strongly disagree with the "It's so hard to hit scum D1, I've hit scum D1 in close to 60% of games) and don't like that Noons first content post after stating he was catching up was requesting a policy lynch here especially since I'd consider Onegu a really really easy push for scum when it sounds like he 'trolls/puts little effort in', the fact there's really no stance on anyone or attempt to scumhunt and is putting it of to D2 is something I don't like at all, especially from an experienced player, my town read there is completely dead. Really liked Mdergs reaction towards Noon pushing the PL in this post, in fact all of his posts from onward when looking at them in ISO match my thoughts very closely and the "I think these 2 people are avoiding each other" in this post is a very strong scum tell, it's common for townies to have crack pot scum-team theories early on and attempt to notice how interactions affect each other whereas it's not something that scum think of naturally or consider faking often. On December 30 2015 03:02 GlowingBear wrote:Are you sure you're not Foolishness? ??? | ||
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Irishbound
42 Posts
On December 30 2015 11:09 Irishbound wrote: and the "I think these 2 people are avoiding each other" in this post is a very strong scum tell, it's common for townies to have crack pot scum-team theories early on and attempt to notice how interactions affect each other whereas it's not something that scum think of naturally or consider faking often. Italicized should be very strong town tell. | ||
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
On December 30 2015 09:43 Kmatt wrote: I don't think much has changed. To be honest, I did have a scumlean on GB, but I don't want to assert that since I wasn't confident enough in my own "evidence". Looking back over it I think I'm comfortable dropping my scumlean on GB. With that said: ##vote GiygaS Can you also walk me through what in your head made you drop that scumlean on GB? That's about the only thing not clear in the filter. I can see the evidence threshold being reasonable of an argument for a newbie who doesn't know what he's doing to make. I can see this quote: On December 30 2015 09:49 Kmatt wrote: While that seems like an effective tactic, I really can't like using it as town since that fits "make posts that stir up trouble without actually contributing to the thread" to a T. Not five minutes after I toss my scumread... If you really do have an argument against me, let's get it out into the open. I don't think there's anything to lose by hiding information from all three of us in here right now. Being a reasonable amount of scepticism towards someone for someone who is inexperienced with forum mafia. This becomes more certain when you take that against GB's lack of (direct) followup per his filter. | ||
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
On December 30 2015 11:04 NocturneMage wrote: At least Cow's layout is more clear and has more specific points that can be crosschecked. Also forgot to add to this, starting another wagon when he could have put his vote on scott as a scumread is generally a town tell. | ||
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Irishbound
42 Posts
a) In the pregame he stated that he was looking forward to playing with Onegu here, it's not impossible that it was him being sarcastic but it does make his attempt to policy lynch Onegu based on nearly nothing inside this thread look very scum motivated. b) I find the timing of his push on Onegu (When there was attention on Scott) as well as his shotty reasoning behind town reading Scott in this post to mean that he makes a lot of sense as scum with Scott. c) Strongly dislike the fact that he's not attempted to scumhunt at all throughout this day phase and is attempting to state he won't do so until D2, that makes sense coming from scum thinking he's able to coast a day phase without any risk himself. Alright I'll continue catching up an then I'll post my reads line. | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
On December 30 2015 10:42 NocturneMage wrote: GB, two that I recall. In Newbie 14, Scott was engaged with the thread, and very active and made strides to solve that game. You were mafia in that game, Fidei threw in 2:1 lylo. In my last newbie, he was town but not as engaged and scum Trfel pushed him to death day 1. I'm loathe to use meta so I would rather opt to flesh him out as much as I can in this current game. His scum games, he is not quite as active or does very little, but as I've never actually been in a game with him as scum, I'd rather just flesh him out. If you check most of his games, he is mainly inactive. Don't you think it is kinda early to consider him mafia? | ||
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