EPTNewbie Student Mafia XVIII - Page 21
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
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Irishbound
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Kmatt
United States1019 Posts
On December 30 2015 11:15 NocturneMage wrote: From context in 362 I am going to make the assumption that KMatt (unlike Cow/Irishbound) is pretty inexperienced at forum mafia. Can you also walk me through what in your head made you drop that scumlean on GB? That's about the only thing not clear in the filter. I can see the evidence threshold being reasonable of an argument for a newbie who doesn't know what he's doing to make. I can see this quote: Being a reasonable amount of scepticism towards someone for someone who is inexperienced with forum mafia. This becomes more certain when you take that against GB's lack of (direct) followup per his filter. I was never too invested in the scumlean to begin with, but I keep getting flak for not being decisive on my calls (even though half of this game has been on mute and no one else seems bothered by it). I was convinced that his arguments were genuine enough to be townie (at lease with as much weight as I thought him scum), but barring the people who aren't showing their faces, he still has the highest degree of uncertainty for me with his latest posts. I just don't feel comfortable making that call yet, so I'm gonna stick with GiygaS until I see/can make a better case. | ||
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Shapelog
United States5188 Posts
On December 30 2015 11:27 Kmatt wrote: I was never too invested in the scumlean to begin with, but I keep getting flak for not being decisive on my calls (even though half of this game has been on mute and no one else seems bothered by it). I was convinced that his arguments were genuine enough to be townie (at lease with as much weight as I thought him scum), but barring the people who aren't showing their faces, he still has the highest degree of uncertainty for me with his latest posts. I just don't feel comfortable making that call yet, so I'm gonna stick with GiygaS until I see/can make a better case. So your basically doing what i was doing my first game of fourm mafia. I feel like i might be able to soul read this person later on due to our simulates with wanting evidence. Eh im going to catch up real quick. | ||
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
(1) Irishbound's case/explanation on the Noon/Scott association (2) Fidei and his opening reads (3) Noon's posturing (for lack of better words) on GB (4) Scott and how he looks from your perspective (5) any other issues - EXCEPT Onegu who I feel is bordering the closest to a policy lynch - that you think are deserving of the thread attention? | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
On December 30 2015 11:24 NocturneMage wrote: Not if there's a basis? I don't think there's anything wrong with an early vote and pressing for answers. Your basis is basically inactivity and low involvement in the thread, and he is like this as town tooX so you don't actually have a basis | ||
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
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Irishbound
42 Posts
I still find Kmatts explanationn behind his initial case on Glowing inside this post to make a lot of sense despite the fact that I disagree with it's conclusion and his stance that "He's not sure an experienced mafia would make a mistake that a scrub could catch" in this post comes across as a genuine consideration, also liked his response towards Cows scum read on him here, leaning town on him but it's not as strong as some of my other town reads. | ||
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
On December 30 2015 11:35 GlowingBear wrote: Your basis is basically inactivity and low involvement in the thread, and he is like this as town tooX so you don't actually have a basis Actually, no it wasn't. Look at my post again. I'm suggesting the problems in the POST THAT HE HAS lies in his wording and context. I am already aware he CAN be a low activity poster, I'm arguing that what he DOES have is scum indicative given the context in the thread. | ||
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Shapelog
United States5188 Posts
I mean if his play style is that changing then i be more incline to think the afk is NAI then AI. idk i like to see him post more as with GiygaS Khan. | ||
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
There is nothing wrong with that basis. | ||
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
On December 30 2015 11:40 Shapelog wrote: Hasn't people said that scott played a versus amounts of play styles? (active, semi active, afk) all as town? I mean if his play style is that changing then i be more incline to think the afk is NAI then AI. idk i like to see him post more as with GiygaS Khan. Again, I can't speak for others but Scott being afk is NOT why I'm scumreading him. | ||
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Shapelog
United States5188 Posts
On December 30 2015 10:55 NocturneMage wrote: And I say that because GlowingBear's response after that last response was to query me on how many games I've played with Scott. Despite KMatt actually being in thread. It doesn't make any sense. GB might of made a post about this yet, but GB has been very defective this game. Apperainty it is to generate content and have people talk about it. But yet it is funny to me that afterwards, when he posts, it generates more content then the tatic did. And a quick skim up the thread shows that he is deflecting a Kmatt read. I really starting to have probs. with this again. Hes deflecting to much IMO. | ||
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Irishbound
42 Posts
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
On December 30 2015 11:44 Shapelog wrote: GB might of made a post about this yet, but GB has been very defective this game. Apperainty it is to generate content and have people talk about it. But yet it is funny to me that afterwards, when he posts, it generates more content then the tatic did. And a quick skim up the thread shows that he is deflecting a Kmatt read. I really starting to have probs. with this again. Hes deflecting to much IMO. Well like I said before his initial explanation for a reaction test made sense the lack of followup or conclusion on KMatt's responses does not. Or lack of engagement to resolve the scumread. It doesn't make sense from a town perspective. | ||
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Irishbound
42 Posts
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Shapelog
United States5188 Posts
On December 30 2015 11:39 NocturneMage wrote: Actually, no it wasn't. Look at my post again. I'm suggesting the problems in the POST THAT HE HAS lies in his wording and context. I am already aware he CAN be a low activity poster, I'm arguing that what he DOES have is scum indicative given the context in the thread. Idk about Scott. I mean his last post says he will come back in 5 blah blah blah. He has 1 real post, where: talks about Gb throwing out Tr's Town leans Irish based off a post. Doesn't know if NM wanting to lynch the dota players is a joke.... And thinks Kmatt is quoting into a note pad. Like 1 of these are contribuing at all. The others are useless junk that seems thrown in to seem like he is posting. and his reasoning behind TLeaning Irish is because new mafia couldn't make that post? Maybe, but honestly that is like the easiest read someone can give to a newbie IMO. | ||
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Shapelog
United States5188 Posts
@NM, yeah I feel like a town would keep prodding his read then just ignoring it almost.Your right it doesn't make much sense from a town POV. | ||
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
On December 30 2015 11:18 Irishbound wrote: I'll summarise the issues I have with Noon: a) In the pregame he stated that he was looking forward to playing with Onegu here, it's not impossible that it was him being sarcastic but it does make his attempt to policy lynch Onegu based on nearly nothing inside this thread look very scum motivated. b) I find the timing of his push on Onegu (When there was attention on Scott) as well as his shotty reasoning behind town reading Scott in this post to mean that he makes a lot of sense as scum with Scott. c) Strongly dislike the fact that he's not attempted to scumhunt at all throughout this day phase and is attempting to state he won't do so until D2, that makes sense coming from scum thinking he's able to coast a day phase without any risk himself. Alright I'll continue catching up an then I'll post my reads line. I can see where you are coming from especially since Scott's reasoning to townread KMatt on taht explanation was poor, plus saying what he said there "I could jump on this" it doesn't line up with ending up at a null read, not to mention I had already posted other material that Scott could have looked at. but to be fair that is a separate issue that he may have neglected to look at as either alignment. Policy lynching is something I have seen coming out of both alignments to be fair, I know it was the case in Dark Tournament, townies wanting to lynch other townies but I think those townies had been playing all game. | ||
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
On December 30 2015 12:00 NocturneMage wrote: I can see where you are coming from especially since Scott's reasoning to townread KMatt on taht explanation was poor, plus saying what he said there "I could jump on this" it doesn't line up with ending up at a null read, not to mention I had already posted other material that Scott could have looked at. but to be fair that is a separate issue that he may have neglected to look at as either alignment. Policy lynching is something I have seen coming out of both alignments to be fair, I know it was the case in Dark Tournament, townies wanting to lynch other townies but I think those townies had been playing all game. actually wait - look further into this and you see Noon raising the KMatt white knighting issue and KMatt had responded to that. There was no followup there and his looking to GB to find a reason to scumread KMatt (probably this in conjunction with the white knighting argument is my guess from his filter). There's two futher points against Noon - the lack of followup to KMatt's response on the white knighting and using some really bad association (namely if GB is town then KMatt must be scum) to try and get where he needs to be (post 364). The scum motivation looks like he's reaching for that scumread unless he was not satisfied with the response but there is no such indication in his filter AND subsequent posting. | ||
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