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 Anyway gl hf everyone. | ||
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reps: On July 31 2013 12:21 reps)squishy wrote: Well taking that DeusXmachina has already posted to lynch me Here I am going to remain neutral and NOT lynch him he may be town and, the more town the better right? It is day one and despite him going against me there is no evidence that he scum or an aggressive townsman or something else. This post seems to be very town at first to me, however, following this post is 2.5h of posts where suspicion is aimed at DeusX instead. Then reps decides anyway to post this: On July 31 2013 14:48 reps)squishy wrote: My response to skeptics. He said he is a newbie multiple times! Pff, oops I said I was a newbie to many times that does not decide what role I am. He didnt edit his post, he found out he cant edit his post at the middle of him posting and decided to tell us about it. There is just something fishy about that. scroll up there is another post that I almost edited. Almost looks exactly the same scrubby mistake. My mistakes have made me look pretty scummy. But assure me saying I was new was me being truthful. Me claiming I was a noob should not decide if I am scum or not. If he was going to point by point defend himself, why not do it right away? Seems overly defensivve too me since people did not jump on the wagon with DeusX and instead was questioning him at the time. Later, he posts this: On July 31 2013 15:00 reps)squishy wrote: I am Hapless Peon (Vanilla Townie) what you claimed to be To me it seems Alakaslam was saying that there was evidence DeusX was scummy. Even if he misread this as there being evidence that he(reps) was scummy, why would he as a proclaimed newbie claim his role when there was even talk about how very situational it was in the pregame? All this together seems very scummy to me, confused to bad townie at best. DeusX: His aggresion so early might seem scummy, but I think his strategy if he was scum is terrible. Yes as pointed out you can be vocal scum, but not in the way he is doing it. You would need to be much more neutral but still post a lot. Going all out and be the first guy to accuse someone first day, when chances are we will accidentaly lynch a town anyway, just why? No reason at all to do this. The only reason to start a new lynch would be if a mafia was already targeted which wasnt the case. In conclusion: he might be over-aggresive and his arguments may be weak, but not a mafia read from me so far. Umasi/alakasam: A bit hard to make sense of some of their chatter. However, just on the point they are also starting their own lynch and generally being friendly like that in the thread would make me lean town on them. I dont see why mafia would make such a strong connection between themselves for no reason (if one of them turns out mafia the other would be instantly lynched at next opportunity). Conclusion: Pretty much neutral atm for me. | ||
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On July 31 2013 22:54 Holyflare wrote: There is however another circle that I'd like to point out for you: This is the only thing Umasi has written on in length (other than the accusation on Deus) defending the person that was under direct scrutiny at the time. If this post contained similar content to his previous posts it wouldn't have raised suspicion, however, this is out of character for what he has been writing so far. His accusation of deus now leads me to believe that Umasi is in fact defending a fellow scum (reps), although this is purely circumstantial. Reading that Umasi post I remember it stuck out to me as well, forgot to mention it in my previous post. He did post this also however: On July 31 2013 14:53 Umasi wrote: reps, I'll tell you two useful things~ A: If you post and want to edit the post, you can use the handy acronym EBWOP (edit by way of post) and add/rephrase whatever you want to. B: there's a handy quote button, use it. Regardless~ fuck I'm not sold on that response at all, reps. Maybe Deus actually fucking nailed you early on. Who are your top scum reads and who are your top town reads? (later on he goes back to saying reps is confused townie again) Asking reps to do some actual pro-town work there seems odd if he is indeed defending fellow scum, although I believe it was during his spam fest so maybe can't put too much weight on it. I agree about a possible weak mafia connection there, and probably will be voting reps to lynch. I'll hold off voting until the other guys start posting again though. | ||
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As you say holy, its a simple way for scum to fit in since you dont really have to commit to any single post. But also its not very productive. If you have a thought you should first pursue it yourself and compare against filters/other posts/votes etc and develop it in to an idea or theory, thats the work you are supposed to do as town. Spamming single thoughts and nitpicking on a single post is largely useless. | ||
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What I was trying to explain was that single thoughts/comments are useless on their own, it is only a larger theory that is interesting. Partly because its so non-commital, but mostly because the meaning behind it is what is important. So: townies should gather their thoughts while reading the thread and try to piece them together to form a theory. I also dont feel me agreeing was completely redundant as it was a discussion about what we want/dont want townies to do. | ||
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This is what he states when deciding who he will vote on: - scam and reps are both useless at best, but reps posting is also potentially scummy - he will vote for scam, but switch to reps if necessary(im assuming to avoid no lynch) Seems odd to me to choose scam over reps when he says essentially the same thing about them except add some scum reads on reps. Next on Umasi On August 01 2013 20:42 infii wrote: Umasi: He is pressing hard on reps atm. The way he confronts reps seems scummy to me and if reps turns out to be town he will definately be a big candidate for scum next day. Doesn't make sense at all, most are against reps atm and it would be so much easier as mafia just to go along and go "yep, hes scummy alright" then to be the most aggressive one. On Alakaslam On August 01 2013 20:42 infii wrote: Alakaslam: He is also on reps. But unlike Umasi he went on a more supportive approach, trying to help reps to defend himself. While reps is clearly in a dead end, there is no need to increase the pressure any more. That is a strong town sign because we should support each other as town This sounds quite random at first but reasoning is sound I think. If Alakaslam is town he might want to give reps some pointers in the event reps is actually town. If Alakaslam is mafia the only reason he would want to do this would be if reps was mafia, dont think he would establish that connection so publicly though when chances are very high reps will get lynched this night anyway. In summation, leaning slightly towards mafia for infli right now. However, if infli is mafia I would say there is a very strong chance that reps is it too. No real reason for infli NOT to vote reps if reps is town, its just so much easier for him to blend in that way. So either way: ##vote reps)squishy On to DeusX Firstly he started up discussions by voting reps early on, I saw that as a town move. He might have been overly aggressive on him, but that seems to me as a bad scum move also. His latest post makes me not worry about him so much. He didnt contribute much analysis himself, but gave a lot of sound town advice. For instance, lets keep analyzing all players even if we are gonna lynch reps since we can gain more info. Also pressuring someone is good way to get info and townies should be fearless. So even if he is playing a kind of mafia leading the town, he is still giving good advice and not keeping everyone focused only on reps. | ||
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Which means they are almost certainly not BOTH mafia. Infii could still be mafia and voting scam to not seem like he's mafia bandwagoning. I guess we'll see what he says about criticism of his reasoning. | ||
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On August 01 2013 13:10 reps)squishy wrote: @infill I want to question you. Q: You decided to be neutral which is seems like a scum move to not draw attention. Why would you lean towards neutral if you were town? A: Q: You have not posted very much are you busy whats up with that? A: | ||
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Alakaslam, please explain why you chose scam. | ||
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Its pretty much guaranteed to be that unless we go with reps. I dont have a big scum read on him anymore so if thats what you want thats fine, but you cant really say those two things at once. Newest scum read definately goes to Alakaslam though. Switching to someone that could have been modkilled with no explanation. | ||
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To sc_a.M: please post asap during the day. At the very least tell us if you are reading the thread/playing the game or not. Writing a big post on someone, didn't have time to finish it(biggest scum read so far). Will post it later today. | ||
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While his day 1 strategy might seem a bit risky as a whole. Consider that he could have changed his mind many times throughout. Since most people agreed on reps being lynched, he could simply carry on. His inital reasons however, were very weak and almost nonsensical. On July 31 2013 11:34 DeusXmachina wrote: Yes but why does he insist on emphasizing that he is new to this game. Everyone is a noob here yet he has called attention to his noobieness more than anyone else. His repetition means something. He is scum. reps said he was a newbie only twice after the game started. Might seem excessive but hardly a sure sign of scum as he claims. He also said this: On August 01 2013 08:09 DeusXmachina wrote: Also a message to anyone hesitant about voting reps: I get that newbie players are going to make mistakes, hell just look at my first pointless posts in this game (first every mafia posts), but don't you think it is kind of odd that he as already stated multiple times that he has been reading guides? It is definitely odd that after so much ridicule (sorry reps) that he still seems hesitant to contribute. Food for thought. Simply not true. He said it once. On August 01 2013 14:35 DeusXmachina wrote: Last post before I go to bed. Good to see more people are taking a stance against reps. Reps, don't defend yourself by making a case of your innocence, defend yourself by contributing. This is a start. Q1 is good. If you're town you should be able to offer a lot more. You still seem scummy to me. Umasi, this is directed at you: You said that depending on the reps flip you would still consider me as scum. Hhooookayy can we get past my first posts please. Haven't I already said several times that they were shit? That is your grounds for suspicion? I invite everyone to filter my posts and look them over. I am one of the most townie people in this game, and my later posts have definitely proved that. Umasi for this reason you are going on my notes list under suspicions. If reps flips town the most scummy individuals will be the ones who voted against reps last. The ones who vote reps at the end are the ones who vote to fit in. They don't vote someone else because they would be expected to make a case against the person they are voting against. Furthermore, they don't jump in early on and take an active stance because of the fear of unwanted attention. We should be suspicious of anyone who lurks and votes reps after this post, unless they can offer an in depth explanation of why they are voting against him. I am aware that if reps is town there is probably a talented scum that has been able to work there way into this argument in a way that appears pro town. We can work on them later. However, scum play with the fear of being noticed. They play with the fear of attention. Although it may be extremely subtle, the fear shows itself in their posts i.e a late vote like I talked about above. Effectivly saying "I'm not maffia" in the bolded paragraph. He says he went after him aggressive very early simply for pressure, but he was VERY insistant on lynching him later in day 1. On August 01 2013 19:27 DeusXmachina wrote: It is in our best interest to lynch someone day 1. On August 01 2013 19:27 DeusXmachina wrote: That is such a good point holy. A lynch day 1 is important. If we are going to lynch anyone day 1 lets make it reps. Even if he is not scum he is only hurting us at this point. On August 01 2013 19:27 DeusXmachina wrote: Like holy said, lets lynch him already. He is not an asset. If we are going to lynch anyone day one lets make it scummy scummy reps. On August 01 2013 19:27 DeusXmachina wrote: Guys DON'T jump ship right now. We have done really well so far. Why would we throw it away last minute? Alakaslam, unvoting reps is either a scummy thing to do by you, or just bad play. You have said yourself that we are even voting reps to get information at this point. Why would you want to throw that away!? We are already learning so much from the lynch. Stick with your gut people. Reps is either scum or a bad townie and I no way will help us win, simple as that. He continually says it's ok if reps is town. On July 31 2013 12:22 DeusXmachina wrote: Umasi before I called out reps there was hardly any valuable information that we could use so far. Putting myself under so much attention is NOT a scum thing to do. Furthermore, my accusation of reps has prompted a lot of discussion. I agree my first posts could have been more meaningful, however that is hardly scum worthy. I even express my disdain of scum in my first post. Furthermore, why is fishing for responses a bad thing? It gets people talking that that is what we want. Finally, I was a little alarmed by Alakaslam announcing his role so quickly. That was part of his response when someone called him suspicious on day1, why would a town ever say that? Seems like that should only come from a rushed scum response to me. POST reps lynching On August 02 2013 05:20 DeusXmachina wrote: Well town we got what we wanted. Getting rid of reps is still a victory, just not as big as if he were scum. I have a hunch that one of them is scum. I plan on spending a lot of time looking into those two. Says he got what WE wanted (obv we didnt want him to flip town). Says he will spending a lot of time looking at Umasi (he doesnt, more on that later). I should probably ease up on the quoting since this is getting LONG. He spends 10 posts defending umasi, claiming his vote switch was a town move. Remember this post? On August 01 2013 19:27 DeusXmachina wrote: Guys DON'T jump ship right now. We have done really well so far. Why would we throw it away last minute? Alakaslam, unvoting reps is either a scummy thing to do by you, or just bad play. You have said yourself that we are even voting reps to get information at this point. Why would you want to throw that away!? We are already learning so much from the lynch. Stick with your gut people. Reps is either scum or a bad townie and I no way will help us win, simple as that. So apparently it makes Alakaslam look scummy but not Umasi. Remember his claims of umasai being somewhat scummy? He said he would take a good look at him later. With a single quote from a mafia guide he simplay abandoned that: "On the survival side, mafia generally try to blend in. The easiest job for the mafia is when they get to sit and watch the town kill themselves, as townies have a natural inclination to kill people who stick out in the crowd." - A General Guide To Mafia by Incognito. Conviniently this quote also says he himself is not scum. So he gives up on Umasi and tries to push RDO instead, who is voting for Umasi this day. Summary: I now firmly believe DeusX and Umasi are scum. I will throw my vote on DeusX since that is my most firm belief, can consolidate to Umasi later if need be for lynch since thats almost a guarantee if I'm right anyway. ##vote DeusXmachina Should be a fun read later tonight | ||
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On August 04 2013 04:54 DeusXmachina wrote: I guess if you want to see all my posts just look at Zyrre's latest post. Don't even bother using that filter button. Zyrre, would you rather have me not abide by that quote as a possible way to find scum? The quote about mafia playstyle? It's a statement about how MOST mafia will play, so only a general guideline. You should factor it in of course, it simply means less blending in = less likely to be mafia. You however, had several posts stating you are suspicious of Usami, went on to say you will look in to him more deeply and then disregarded it all with that quote alone. On August 04 2013 05:44 Gotard wrote: Zyrre why did you decided to sheep reps if deus' behavior was scummy? I guess I overlooked it a bit, it all sounded reasonable at the time. As you can see in my earlier posts, I was unsure of him but didn't think having him alive was too dangerous(he was posting a lot so high possibility of making mistakes if he is mafia, he was giving a few pieces of good advice etc). | ||
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On August 04 2013 06:11 sc_a.M wrote: ##vote no lynch ;best lynch Jesus sc_a.M, can you at least try to write something if you are gonna play this game? | ||
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Please read my wall of text if you missed it: + Show Spoiler + On August 04 2013 04:45 Zyrre wrote: Let's talk about DeusXmachina: While his day 1 strategy might seem a bit risky as a whole. Consider that he could have changed his mind many times throughout. Since most people agreed on reps being lynched, he could simply carry on. His inital reasons however, were very weak and almost nonsensical. reps said he was a newbie only twice after the game started. Might seem excessive but hardly a sure sign of scum as he claims. He also said this: Simply not true. He said it once. Effectivly saying "I'm not maffia" in the bolded paragraph. He says he went after him aggressive very early simply for pressure, but he was VERY insistant on lynching him later in day 1. He continually says it's ok if reps is town. That was part of his response when someone called him suspicious on day1, why would a town ever say that? Seems like that should only come from a rushed scum response to me. POST reps lynching Says he got what WE wanted (obv we didnt want him to flip town). Says he will spending a lot of time looking at Umasi (he doesnt, more on that later). I should probably ease up on the quoting since this is getting LONG. He spends 10 posts defending umasi, claiming his vote switch was a town move. Remember this post? So apparently it makes Alakaslam look scummy but not Umasi. Remember his claims of umasai being somewhat scummy? He said he would take a good look at him later. With a single quote from a mafia guide he simplay abandoned that: "On the survival side, mafia generally try to blend in. The easiest job for the mafia is when they get to sit and watch the town kill themselves, as townies have a natural inclination to kill people who stick out in the crowd." - A General Guide To Mafia by Incognito. Conviniently this quote also says he himself is not scum. So he gives up on Umasi and tries to push RDO instead, who is voting for Umasi this day. Summary: I now firmly believe DeusX and Umasi are scum. I will throw my vote on DeusX since that is my most firm belief, can consolidate to Umasi later if need be for lynch since thats almost a guarantee if I'm right anyway. ##vote DeusXmachina Should be a fun read later tonight Since I am solo on DeusX right now, can we decide on Umasi or does someone want to make a compelling case for Gotard? Personally I feel reluctant to go for Gotard right now since Umasi currently has a vote on him. | ||
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