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Alakaslam
United States17322 Posts
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infii
Germany153 Posts
Btw, I will be gone for most of the day now, will probably return in ~10hrs. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
Gotard (3): Umasi (2): RDaneelOlivaw, Gotard, sc_a.M (0): DeusXmachina (1): Zyrre No lynch (1): sc_a.M Deadline is in ~ 13 hours. With 10 alive it takes 6 votes to lynch. Currently no one is set to be lynched! Voting is mandatory. Only votes in the voting thread will be counted! The voting thread can be found here. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17322 Posts
I missed all you cohosts I am truly sorry for excluding you folks earlier. My out-of-line idea was a flop anyway though ofc, so y'all missed nothing. Back to the game: Umasi imma go quote the post Indio is talking about. So as no hay excusas. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17322 Posts
On August 03 2013 08:14 infii wrote: Yes I read your post. What I was trying to ask is: why did you unvote reps specifically at that time so close before lynch? What did you hope to accomplish by this? As you stated reps convinced you to swap to a possible no-lynch with this argument: "I can help win this game much more then RDaneelOlivaw or sc_a.M." I just can't get my mind around how that sentence can change an opinion at all, and like I said, especially at that time. | ||
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Umasi
United States1399 Posts
Usami Aren't you cool. On August 03 2013 08:14 infii wrote: Yes I read your post. What I was trying to ask is: why did you unvote reps specifically at that time so close before lynch? What did you hope to accomplish by this? As you stated reps convinced you to swap to a possible no-lynch with this argument: "I can help win this game much more then RDaneelOlivaw or sc_a.M." I just can't get my mind around how that sentence can change an opinion at all, and like I said, especially at that time. It felt like he was struggling more than I'd expect a scum would, and it's not the first time I've felt this way. If you want a precedent, go read the last newbie mini mafia where we mislynch jrkirby day one. I was town, and you can see me shouting in the thread. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=420227 it's not the first time I'd been in the position, and I was kind of reminded of it. it wasn't identical, obviously, but it just felt similar, so I decided to pull off. (and then I had to immediately afk afterward) It was a culmination of all of reps bullshit finally bubbling over and me saying 'fuck it'. Obviously emotional, probably ill advised, but that's why. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17322 Posts
Indio jones holds the map to the artifact that is causing our insane software issues (the source of which will be in this posts image) after all, exploding monitors and such from software? Yeah. See the image, history channel irrefutable. So see, the problems have and will target Indio, except that now with the guilty prophet rule someone else will die or some such WIFOM. But basically, the map is in the pattern of the problems behavior, Indio jones may have the interpretation but when (image) are involved you always need the psychopath to interpret stuff that is why I'm here Check ![[image loading]](http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/230/162/bb5.png) And http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_Jones_and_the_Kingdom_of_the_Crystal_Skull | ||
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RDaneelOlivaw
Vatican City State732 Posts
Would you mind cutting down on the random stuff in your posts slam? Makes it harder to go through the thread yo. You're a solid town read and its just your style, but burying the thread in fluff helps the scum anyway by diluting the useful info My reads thus far Slam- town - Stim and infii -town- I'm accepting the mason act for now, still a little suspicious of that early behavior from stim but w/e - infii seems like a lock to me, so stim by extension Zyree- mild town read off of him, but now he's stopped posting...I'll give him a little more time but thats scummy if it continues nightcat-not a lot of great posts, but he does seem to be trying to build a pro-town atmosphere. Good enough for me atm scam- god knows what he is. May he rot in a particularly scummy mafia hell Umasi- scum by extension--more suspicious of him because of Gotard and Deus- still just have a scummy feel from him Gotard- scum- my reasoning hasn't changed Deus- scummy--mostly because of the way he handled his "suspicions" of umasi - he stated that he suspected him several times throughout the early game but never elaborated on that suspicion--basically, enough to make me think that the suspicion may only be a show...his reasoning for dropping it, as zyree pointed out, is very weak. | ||
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Zyrre
Sweden291 Posts
Please read my wall of text if you missed it: + Show Spoiler + On August 04 2013 04:45 Zyrre wrote: Let's talk about DeusXmachina: While his day 1 strategy might seem a bit risky as a whole. Consider that he could have changed his mind many times throughout. Since most people agreed on reps being lynched, he could simply carry on. His inital reasons however, were very weak and almost nonsensical. reps said he was a newbie only twice after the game started. Might seem excessive but hardly a sure sign of scum as he claims. He also said this: Simply not true. He said it once. Effectivly saying "I'm not maffia" in the bolded paragraph. He says he went after him aggressive very early simply for pressure, but he was VERY insistant on lynching him later in day 1. He continually says it's ok if reps is town. That was part of his response when someone called him suspicious on day1, why would a town ever say that? Seems like that should only come from a rushed scum response to me. POST reps lynching Says he got what WE wanted (obv we didnt want him to flip town). Says he will spending a lot of time looking at Umasi (he doesnt, more on that later). I should probably ease up on the quoting since this is getting LONG. He spends 10 posts defending umasi, claiming his vote switch was a town move. Remember this post? So apparently it makes Alakaslam look scummy but not Umasi. Remember his claims of umasai being somewhat scummy? He said he would take a good look at him later. With a single quote from a mafia guide he simplay abandoned that: "On the survival side, mafia generally try to blend in. The easiest job for the mafia is when they get to sit and watch the town kill themselves, as townies have a natural inclination to kill people who stick out in the crowd." - A General Guide To Mafia by Incognito. Conviniently this quote also says he himself is not scum. So he gives up on Umasi and tries to push RDO instead, who is voting for Umasi this day. Summary: I now firmly believe DeusX and Umasi are scum. I will throw my vote on DeusX since that is my most firm belief, can consolidate to Umasi later if need be for lynch since thats almost a guarantee if I'm right anyway. ##vote DeusXmachina Should be a fun read later tonight  Since I am solo on DeusX right now, can we decide on Umasi or does someone want to make a compelling case for Gotard? Personally I feel reluctant to go for Gotard right now since Umasi currently has a vote on him. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17322 Posts
Random stuff is not always wholly random. I can't acess thread for a while after about a half hour, probably not until deadline. MY VOTE, THERFORE, IS SET. Zyrre. You need to secure lynch and might not and never talk anymore except right after someone calls you on lurking in a strong enough way. This is what DeusXmachina accused RDO of and it is making too many people scum. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17322 Posts
This one gives far more info than squishy. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17322 Posts
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Zyrre
Sweden291 Posts
On August 05 2013 00:38 Alakaslam wrote: Why so scummy zyrre? Random stuff is not always wholly random. I can't acess thread for a while after about a half hour, probably not until deadline. MY VOTE, THERFORE, IS SET. Zyrre. You need to secure lynch and might not and never talk anymore except right after someone calls you on lurking in a strong enough way. This is what DeusXmachina accused RDO of and it is making too many people scum. What I need is irrelevant. TOWN needs to secure lynch, if you think me saying that is scummy then please argue WHY. Yes I haven't posted very much, look at WHAT I have posted instead. And posting more frequently after someone telling you to is neither mafia or town since BOTH alignments would want to do that. | ||
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Zyrre
Sweden291 Posts
We need EVERYONE to vote on the same person, at this time most of us seem to agree on Umasi. ##unvote DeusXmachina ##vote Umasi My suspicion for third member of scum team is also Alakaslam. Due to his very weak suspicions of Umasi (similar to DeusX, explained in my wall of text) and then switching to Gotard, together with Umasi, stating only "I dont like who is voting on the same person as me". When I called on people to vote Umasi or convince me of Gotard in my last post he instead called me scummy, stated his vote was set and went afk. Not very strong implications on their own, if Umasi flips red I would guess him though. We will have to see. | ||
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infii
Germany153 Posts
However umasi defended himself in a decent but not yet sufficient way. We would need some more time to interrogate umasi, also I posted my reasoning for gotard here. That is why I ask everyone to switch to gotard. If you disagree for whatever reason, give me counter-arguments. However, keep in mind, that at least slam's vote is stuck on gotard now, because he's afk. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
Gotard (3): Umasi (3): RDaneelOlivaw, Gotard, sc_a.M (0): DeusXmachina (0): No lynch (1): sc_a.M Deadline is in ~ 3 hours. With 10 alive it takes 6 votes to lynch. Currently no one is set to be lynched! Voting is mandatory. Only votes in the voting thread will be counted! The voting thread can be found here. | ||
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DeusXmachina
United States333 Posts
He is saying that generally speaking mafia try to blend in. More often than not that is their mindset. I would rather use that as a reason to be suspicious then the flip side, mafia being very active and aggressive to appear pro town. Umasi was one of the first ones to vote against reps, you could call that an aggressive play. At times he was one of the most outspoken individuals against reps, and at others he seemed to think reps was just a bad townie. His indecision is not scummy. Rather, it just means he couldn't make up his mind, and rightfully so because reps turned out to be town. In addition, Umasi has done several other things to draw attention to himself, for example, he vote-switched last minute and didn't really give a good reason why, and he has been inconsistent at times. I see this is a townie mindset. Townies are the ones who should be inconsistent right? They are constantly trying to analyze scum reads. Scum reads are highly subject to change. Again, think of the flip side. If you are a scum and you want to push an agenda, maybe even get someone mislynched, what would you have to gain from indecision? Not only would it draw attention to yourself, but it would weaken your agenda. For these reasons, I am not voting against Umasi. I was suspicious of him for early game, yes, but that vote switch got me thinking. The more I thought about the vote switch the more it seemed like a townie thing to do. I realize if Umasi is scum I will be boned, but can you really blame me for thinking this way? If Umasi is scum than maddddd props to him. I have already expressed my suspicion of Gotard. I agree with what others have said. I am not going to make a huge case against him right now because I feel like I would be regurgitating a lot of information. At this point in time he is the best candidate to vote for because he appears scummy and is most likely to be lynched. We can probably count on a Stim vote against him right? | ||
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DeusXmachina
United States333 Posts
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Nightcat99
United States239 Posts
#vote gotard. | ||
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Zyrre
Sweden291 Posts
I can see your reasoning infii, I do believe however that Umasi is simply playing a good mafia game there though, as you said yourself in the post you linked. I can't really give good reasoning to vote Umasi on his posts on their own, since my biggest suspicion of him comes from my other read on DeusX. The big one I see was of course the vote switch. He said early that no lynching was stupid and bad, and then takes a risk that will happen anyway. If he was town and reps flipped red it would have been insta-lynch. Read this exchange (or at least the bolded) after the reps lynch and tell me it doesnt look extremely like two mafias "being suspicous" to seem innocent and disconnected: On August 02 2013 05:20 Umasi wrote: was afk, I made that clear. I've made that clear too. I was pretty much perfectly clear on everything. I agree what I did was scummy, because I'm a proponent of never ever no lynch. THAT is how hard my opinion swayed on him. Since reps flipped town, I'm looking at deus and infii. Infii moreso than deus. Most of what Gotard has posted about infii has had merit, which is why I voted him. He's been noncommittal, has posted excuses for not posting (it's too hard to do(fuck try anyway dammit)) deus with that post. I've explained my thoughts on it here, posted for your convenience. reps flip as town does not mean we are town. It's just as easy for mafia to be correct about someones alignment as it is towns. In fact, it's easier! If anyone has questions for me, I'm around for the rest of the day, as far as I know. On August 02 2013 05:24 Umasi wrote: Deus, that's FALSE. We got a mislynch on a bad townie, but he'd shown he was willing to try to improve. Although I can definitely see where that line of thinking comes from, mislynching is not a good thing. like, fucking ever. Would have been better to lynch one of our two lurkers, and even then, I'd prefer to vote infii. If they're still lurking by the end of day two then dammit I'll happily vote them because they've had time to get in gear. On August 02 2013 05:39 Umasi wrote: No matter how you cut it, miss lynching is not a good thing. I don't even know why you CARE what I think about the miss lynch, and calling it a bad thing. The reason I care about what your opinions on it are is because you post a meaningless statement that feels like you're trying to include yourself. And deus, he did show motivation to improve, you actually responded to it yourself. "this is a good start" implying he'd started to improve. The more you respond, the worse a feeling I get about you. On August 02 2013 06:00 Umasi wrote: I don't think I was being defensive. Feel free to push the issue though, but I'll move on from the issue (push it if you want) You said your plan was to look at me and slam for scum. Who else are you thinking? town reads, scum reads, anything. After this, NOTHING about DeusX. | ||
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