EPTWell...why not! I'll try this again. =D Glad to see some faces from my last game (though it's been eons since I looked in. Drat me!)
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Silverarte
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Well...why not! I'll try this again. =D Glad to see some faces from my last game (though it's been eons since I looked in. Drat me!) | ||
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Everyone was so wonderful. My job just got nuts for a time. I'm thrilled to try to give this another shot. =D | ||
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I'm totally still in by the way. And yaaaay! Also to let you know Kita, Friday is a busy day for me so I may not be about totally for it. BUt if I can't respond on Friday, I can on saturday. Starting then is just fine with me long as that's ok by you. =) | ||
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I'll begin tossing up thoughts once I've caught up. | ||
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On February 16 2015 04:03 rsoultin wrote: Okay, I'll take the plunge ^^ ##vote: Hier Tell me why I'm wrong, or get onboard. That goes for everyone lol. I read the RNG posts and Hier's issues, so I decided to tackle this. The problem is, I really can't say why Hier shouldn't be here. There was a huge focus previously on his (? ...sorry, always so hard to know genders on games like this! No offense meant) idea for how a game should be. It became a huge focus and while it got discussion going, it didn't What bothers me most here is that you're being pushed for those reads. While it's a newbie game, those reads aren't coming easy. Moreso, why are you pushing so hard for special mechanics over playing the game? What does this gain you? I'd say one good point in your favor was Shining's point on all of this in that you're putting forth a lot of effort. However, I argue that really? That effort is for Bridges, not for actually participating with questions from others. Your last post (assuming you haven't posted by the time I pop this up) bothers me a great deal. On February 16 2015 10:08 ElyAs wrote: I'm actually having trouble analyzing the rsoultin - Hier exchange. It's late in my timezone and i'm starting to doze off. First impression is that Hier is a misguided town, but i'm not convinced on that read, because he has mainly done two things : 1)Defend his Bridges plan. 2)Attack rsoultin. Hier, can you really not share your reads, even if they are not complete ? Any insight can be useful at this point in the game. Sums that up nicely I think. Oh, side note. Shining: I'm really reading null where Zlefin is at this moment. For a D1 lynch, I'm hesitant. Trfel: Quick note? Bridges method. From what I'm understanding about it (and my answer is late I admit) I'd rather not.  I'm still trying to get a good grip on this game as it's normally played. TLDR version: Hier, why is it only on page 13 you offer something in the ways of scum reads when you've been prodded several times? I can't understand this reluctance with giving reads. Isn't that something we're supposed to do? -Bridges is really not a good idea. -Rsoultin, yes that looked like drivel to me. -AND once again...happy Valentines everyone! (Belatedly. I seriously enjoy holidays) | ||
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One question is what does BOD mean? (This is purely because I honestly don't know what this means). Two, impact or not, there's still a lot of reluctance in direct participation going on. This is bothersome. (Also, post to come with my work schedule and times I'll be around for you guys. =P) | ||
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I work four days a week, ten hour shifts now. I'm also currently helping with work on a house, but that'll be changing here in a few days. I basically work: Monday, Thurs, Fri and Sat: 7:30-6:30 (MST). I believe that's 14:30 GMT to 1:30 GMT. I think that's about right. Now, I'll be around mostly in the evenings (later evenings) so if you have questions, please feel free to ask and I'll do my best to answer them if I miss you being around. I'll do what I did last time and place votes before I go to work and if I can duck in during lunches, I'll do so. I'll try my best! (I'm pretty excited to see people about during the evening time though. This is a large contrast to my previous game. =D) | ||
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It looks like I cut off on the sentence where I was saying 'it got discussion going'. (Drat me and copy/paste editting). I was basically saying that while it got the discussion going about something which is good I guess, it didn't have any benefit. On February 16 2015 07:50 Hier wrote: Trfel: It only takes one other player to declare his or her support for the model to get people to support its use. I know how Bridges works and how to use it to get a town victory. I will always abide by its rules, but if you later decide it's not worth it by all means abandon it. On February 16 2015 07:58 Hier wrote: Trfel: As as I said, if you have the slightest town read on me, support the model. This will entice others to join. What bothers me is utilization of this idea to justify being town. How does this support being 'town' OR 'scum'? I'm more inclined to believe someone is scum when they can go on about things like this, but are unwilling to participate otherwise. Did that answer it for you? Trfel, I'd really like your thoughts on this if you don't mind. Who are you really leaning towards now that you've had a bit to think? | ||
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On February 16 2015 15:05 Trfel wrote: I'll take the sleepiness into account Trfel. Ok good, I thought it was Silverarte. Hier, any thoughts you have on the thread are appreciated. Even if you want to post a huge wall of null reads, I would appreciate that (rsoultin and The Shining would probably start screaming for your head, but I would look at the content first...). I'm sure that rsoultin would let up on you for the moment if you provide some content and scumhunting to the thread. Though I do need to reread my comments on The Shining in the morning, if anyone wanted to comment on The Shining (with or without reference to my comments), that would be appreciated. Good night. Though, when you're around again, let me know what you think without all of the sleepiness there?As far as Shining goes, I can see your point. I didn't see what made the case on Zlefin, particularly since Zle's filter looked null to me at that time. I'd say the oddest thing to me here is that you being potentially scumread for walls of text. Those make it hard to read sometimes true, but I proved my only other game then and now that I do those too. Personally, I'd like to see more from Shining. I saw where you are coming from, but I don't feel he's a D1 lynch. And actually, I'd like to see everyone's thought here too. @zlefin I appreciate the concern about activity and all that, but remember. I live in the US and I posted my schedule up. On Saturdays, I work for ten hours then went out for Valentines out here. While I appreciate activity might signify something, at the same time, understanding for the holiday I feel should be in there somewhere too. Now, that said and behind us, my question for you is this. The scumread list you gave, can I ask what gives you the thoughts that Jarjar and Hier are on the lynch list. Also, if I'm reading the way you have that list right, Rsoultin is on the lynch list too, is that correct? (It's the points I'm trying to sort out). | ||
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On February 16 2015 15:17 Hier wrote: I just don't know how far my lexicon can take me reiterating my own accusations, and I don't really see the point when you'll just rebuke it my saying I misinterpreted your quotes, thus creating a nucleus for a completely unnecessary discussion. But if you really really really want I'll do so in the morning. It's getting late here too, and tomorrow is a holiday here, so I'll have time. I appreciate frustration here, but it still seems like pulling teeth to get reads and the why from you. As nothing has been put up to change my mind and it's still a fight with getting your reads and such? Nothing personal but my vote is on you. ##Vote: Hier | ||
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Side note: I'm going to try to start catching up, but I've only got a thirty minute break and fifteen pages to go before I have to go back to work. If I can't post before my go home time, I'll hit it up when I get home. (Just wanted to let everyone know I am alive and trying to be here) | ||
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Also, since I don't think I've gotten there yet in the pages (only on page 17) what did you end up thinking of The Shining this round? | ||
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Let's see. I'll post up thoughts on Tere first! (Then Tere, I'll give you my thoughts for everyone since I did see you asked for that as well as Trfel. Also, by the way? HILARIOUS gifs! Loved coming back to those.) ALright, so back to the read on Tere here. -Jump on the bandwagon with Hier. Later, seems relatively unaffected considering all the effort placed here. Note, I'm not going to stare sideways too much for that one with Hier. That was a lynch gone bad, or so it felt to me with the way Hier was reacting. -Scumread list definitely is skewed to the most experienced players at the top (I did peek at your post Trfel before popping this up - darn you for being faster than me this round!), but I feel Zlefin may not be a bad read where she placed him. I think at this point, I'd really like to see what Tere has to say here. -I think my biggest issue where Tere is, really is in the communication with Hier, the scum reading and then yes, the counter wagon that was met with little to no attempts. But, this could be attributed to tunneling. I just think a lot of effort went into this here, with little attempts to other things she said. It does come off as contradicting itself. I agree with suspicion here, but I'm not sure Tere is an immediate lynch. Like I said, I'd really like to see what Tere has to say and go from there. I'm suspicious, but I some of the others catch my eye a bit more. I'm not all that unconvinced that you are on the wrong track, Trfel. | ||
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On February 17 2015 07:37 zlefin wrote: I don't have anyone I really want to vote for, or I'd vote for them. All I have are a few weak reads on some people, the table I keep is like this currently: Trfel 0/2 Shining rsoultin 1/1 elyas jarjar -2/2 tere hier 0/2 silver -1/1 which given that points are minor reads (not necessarily of the same strength, any time I get a feel one way or another due to a post, or a general impression, I put a point in on someone) means I don't have any good target. If I were vigilante, I'd save my shot for better reads later. If I had to choose, I'd probably choose jarjar, since he's the guy I have two negatives on. It looks like your table change for Trf and Silver since last time you posted it. What did they say/do that made you give them a point?[/QUOTE] I'm not sure, I'd have to look back through my own filter, at least for trf's case. I probably did it in response to something someone said, in which case I probably said something in thread about that, at least to agree with their concern. For silver, I'm just unsatisfied with his late posting, his explanation is reasonable, and could be the case, but I still don't like it. I was waiting to hear his explanations for not posting real life day 1 before dinging him a point (especially since until he posted, I thought he was gonna get replaced).[/QUOTE] Ten hour day and a date afterwards my friend! Go ahead and ding me for it, but I SO regret nothing! =D (1 am and we still weren't done talking philosophy. SO much fun. Also...lots of food. Mmm....) Thoughts/reads on people: The Shining: Posting content when arriving, and I can totally understand limited access here. That said, I'm still looking at the previous case where it was pointed out that The Shining did react defensive pretty quickly. At least he was honest about his Sheeping, for all he had a case on Zlefin. Suspicious of you man! But, not suspicious enough to push you at the moment. =P ElyAs: I'd really like to see more from Ely here. We go from case on Hier, to not being sold on the Lynch, back to the case on Hier, then a case on Zlefin. The only real content here are those cases and the rest of his posts don't have a lot of subtance. Ely is another person I'm waiting to see more from. (More to come! Yay filters!) | ||
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On February 17 2015 14:07 Trfel wrote: Eh, I'm curious, but that makes sense. Especially seeing how my late night posting went last night. Can you at least provide hints as to what you are thinking about? My curiosity has been piqued... Mine too. Insert the curious cats here! | ||
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....also, for some reason I thought I posted the 'more to come'. Huh. Let me fix that too. | ||
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And Tere if I had two top shoots? You and probably Zlefin at this point. I'll address Zlefin in my next post, but in the meantime? Tere? On February 17 2015 22:39 Trfel wrote: I commented on it a few posts later. I refuse to provide my top two kills until Tere actually does some scumhunting of her own. Scumhunting is one thing, but I am not going to scumhunt in the manner someone else tells me to for no reason. Why do I think that Tere wants everyone to provide their top two kills? Maybe to know where everyone stands, maybe to choose the best night kill for the mafia. Either way, you can use someone's filter to mostly figure out where everyone stands, and I would prefer the emphasis to be on cases and scumhunting than making everyone share their top kills. Note that the last time I saw someone make everyone share their top scumreads was when I was shadowing Artanis[Xp] in Imperial Mafia. He was mafia. I'm only popping this up but I can find other instances as well of the similar complaint on the lines of "Wait! you want us to provide, but you won't?" There might be a legitimate reason for this. I'm sure there is! But really, this is still suspicious to me. Now, reviewing everything...why do I see more of the above, rather than scum hunting? | ||
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On February 16 2015 21:14 zlefin wrote: Ok, I've reviewed the thread to date, and here's the score sheet I keep with my running tally estimates on town/scumminess, positive numbers are town, negative numbers are scum; the denominator represents the number of total read points for that person. i.e. each time I get a feel, I add or subtract one from the ongoing tally. Trfel 1/1 Shining rsoultin 1/1 elyas jarjar -2/2 mimeux hier 0/2 silver with mimeux out, and his replacement not yet in, I don't expect to get enough information on the replacement to have a read on them by voting time. I remain concerned about silver having no posts on the first real life day, and overall activity level. Now I gotta go back, find jarjars question to answer it, and then maybe review the people I don't have any read on to see if I can find something. my current lynch candidates are jarjar, hier, silver, trfel. The reason for trfel is that I feel trfel is a high information lynch. If he's scum, he's a skilled scum; and there's a lot of discussion between trfel and others, if I could go back through those discussions with the lynch knowledge of his alignment, I think that would provide a lot of other leads one way or the other. I think it would provide more information than anyone else's lynch. I'm all for the jumping in and reading here. I feel Zlefin did an ok job with trying to get in there....but... On February 16 2015 23:07 zlefin wrote: rsoultin is not on my lynch list, the lynch list was separate and later in the post. The points are positive indicate town reads, negative is scum reads. denominator is total reads one way or the other. I don't maintain a list of where each point comes from, though reasons for the majority of them will be somewhere in my filter with me saying something; others are more impressions over several posts or a large discussion. I suppose I should be more thorough in tracking them. I am giving some understanding for holiday, but it still seems odd to not find the time to put in a post or two even if you can't do a full thread read. I'm a person with plenty of time, so I tend to view others through the same lens. And I clearly misread the intial post with the points. However, I don't believe I ever got an answer to my questions. While we received answers in the ways of other posts the closer we got to the EOD (end of day, right?), I don't see how he particularly was engaged til significantly later after Tere jumped on board. That said, most of the involvement when it comes to 'original thought' centers on the point totals. I can appreciate the tracking system and its organization, but I'm floundering at the lack of detail, reasoning and the 'look through my filter' for the answers. Point totals are great, but while this can be used for 'pressure' it's not explanatory. I'm hesitant to follow something where - while it's clear it's working for Zle, where is the explanations/support/reasoning outside of "I feel this." Zlefin, would you mind clarifying for me? On February 15 2015 22:58 zlefin wrote: I can't explain my reads well, they're only quite mild reads at this point. For Trfel, it's partly a tonal read, and partly that he's encouraging discussion and trying to get things going. So he's either town, or a well-played (and hence dangerous) scum. For jarjar, it's just an impression, I can't really explain why. I know this is from when you started with us, but is this still the case? | ||
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Tere, my only other game would be the one Trfel mentioned. This is literally my second mafia game ever. =D Also...I agree that I'd like that "last will and testament" you're talking about. I want to know who you are eyeing, why and the like. Zlefin, what I really am looking for is the why behind what you believe. The reasoning and/or instances that support why you think what you do. You may not want to play Rso's game, which is entirely fine! But supporting your reasoning is really what we're looking for. Trfel's explanation of what he thinks you were after clarified more than you were able to thus far (and that's if Trfel is right). | ||
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-And now, running off to my next appointment. >< (Good grief me.) If anyone has questions for me, feel free to pop them up. I'll get to them when I'm back. =) | ||
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Also, so far, what is everyone's top? Rather than two bullets, how about one? | ||
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Now first off, I see I wasn't clear about the two bullet question I had. I meant for that to be directed at Tere, who at the time, was not giving us an answer for anything when I posted that. My main hope had been that perhaps I'd be able to one answer from her if not the two. I was obviously not clear and hadn't noticed that at the time. Now, as for the cases on Tere and Zlefin: -You've stated it yourself Trfel. This is a newbie game. For all Tere has mountains of experience elsewhere, Zlefin does not and Tere still had more to come. Moreso, it was N1 with all of us metaphorically twiddling our thumbs to wait for the results. We had, as of then, over two more days to figure out who our next lynch was be. With D2 around the corner, my thought was we had time to figure out just what Tere was doing and where Zlefin was going to pop up as. (Speaking of, good job Zle. You stepped up the game on those explanations when you're assigning points). Now, I agreed with your case. I could have copy/pasted it over or pull over additional information (and am more than happy to break it down), but as I said, we had more time to figure it out. -I have asked a couple times if anyone's had questions for me. While people have interacted with me, I've not seen many questions until Tere joined us and did that odd play with the bullets. On that note, if anyone has other questions for me now, please feel free to ask. -If we review where my votes have been. Tere pointed out the way things worked out with Hier and I've explained my thought processes with my previous scum reads. That said, I felt I've been consistent with my reads. Is this enough to save me this round? Not sure! I'll just have to keep playing and prove I'm town.  (Also, sidenote. Tere? You so made me want to go watch the Beetlejuice movie now.) | ||
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On February 19 2015 06:58 Tere wrote: Curent absentees from discussion. Silverarte (eep, BBL doesn't count as a prod dodge), Jarjarbinks, The Shining. I think scum is in two out of three of those right now. Discuss. You are wanting to discuss this with me? Or exempting me, but with everyone else? (Also...BBL?) | ||
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On February 19 2015 08:57 jarjarbinks wrote: They have posted, but I figured the posts they made changed your view on them lol Silver posted once and left and Shining is still tunneled on you so I figured your opinion of him prob got worse if anything else. I've got some work to do on here. I haven't given a thorough enough read on silver and she deserves one. Silver is still lurking like she said she would be. She's also just working on what she said she would be.  | ||
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------------------------------ Let's see. A majority of Tere's posts are actually centered around one liner posts with larger ones poking in here or there. Now, she flips from town to scum, town to scum. Now, I'm going through posts bit by bit here. But as a history: - Townie, fun, light hearted beginnings. -Centers in on Hiel. -Backs off after lynch is made -Goes into the Two-Shot question, with a general refusal to answer it for herself. -Answers -Active day -Positive reads of who she's now reading as scum -reads scum, switches scum reads again -Gets angry with said scum (where she's been very level for the majority of her game) -Comes back and withholds opinions, but hints at them -Later pops them up -Still in scum fight with The Shining --General reads for scum: On February 17 2015 01:29 Tere wrote: I think based on all of that, Known town or towny Tere Trfel rsoultin Don't lynch today The Shining ElyAs Silverarte jarjarbinks Lynchpool zlefin Hier to (after the last will and testament which was not originally going to be put up until everyone else answered the question. The following is an analysis written right after that) On February 19 2015 00:20 Tere wrote: Right, next, to answer the WTF you were doing last night Tere questions: First off, I am not claiming anything right now, and don't intend to as yet, as claiming my role would be detrimental to town. If that generates into a bunch of meaningless WIFOM that kills the thread and nothing will get done until you stop yelling at me I will, but I can assure you that outing my role won't be town helpful and I won't do that unless forced to. Important point repeated again: IF ANYONE IS THINKING OF CLAIMING BASED ON WHAT I AM DOING PLEASE DON'T. Claim for your own reasons, for sure, but don't claim because of my activities. I will, however, answer the question on why I mixed things up in nightchat and poked everyone for their two scumreads. 1. The easy bit first. Hi, I'm Tere. My meta this game is super aggro town, if you don't believe me now, you will on my flip. Scum are susceptible to WIFOM too. I love annoying scum. Hi scum! 2. I've been accused of not scumhunting. Well, for me this is some scumhunting activity. Scum really don't like to be tied down to decisive positions, in general. I'm almost less bothered by the actual answer than the attitude towards giving an answer. To me a major town tell is a relaxed position and a willingness to give reads and be flexible about them. There's a freedom and spontaneity to playing town and giving opinions that isn't there with scum, as the wincon is so different. Town can play offensive, scum, of necessity, need to have a defensive element to them. What I'm looking for here is a relaxed approach to giving opinions. Scum have to watch being caught out. Town don't need to do that. (n.b. if anyone who is town lynches me based on the terribad reason that Hier placed a vote on me, I am going to laugh at you in post game. Dead town don't gain powers of oracle infallibility, and Hier's proven misread on rsoultin should demonstrate that). So, what did I find out, and what do I think about it? (Here's where my play starts, with my current lynchpool at the time. I plop it in and head to bed, more or less: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/476143-newbie-mini-mafia-lxi?page=29#577. I push it again when I get up here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/476143-newbie-mini-mafia-lxi?page=32#623) zlefin: Tere and Jarjar http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/476143-newbie-mini-mafia-lxi?page=32#628 I really like this response, it comes very quickly, only 20 mins after I poke him directly seeing him in thread, and feels very unforced. Town points to zlefin here. His poking at me about WTF I am doing feels OK too: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/476143-newbie-mini-mafia-lxi?page=32#637 silverarte: Tere and zlefin. Silver feels relaxed in the way she produces these options, and posts a decent rebuttal of why she doesn't want to be asked. It doesn't feel defensive or forced. This looks OK here. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/476143-newbie-mini-mafia-lxi?page=33#649 I like her asking why not one bullet a bit less, as the results show, I have good reasons for asking for two reads apart from there being two scum less, and just one read wouldn't have given me anywhere as near as much information. But it's not enough for me to see that as a scumtell. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/476143-newbie-mini-mafia-lxi?page=36#715 Trfel: No answer - Trfel starts out by expressing confusion at WTF I am doing and why I hadn't done it myself here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/476143-newbie-mini-mafia-lxi?page=31#614 (as an aside, please don't scumread me for being asleep fairly soon after day and night ends that end at midnight my time, that would be lovely). He then posts his discomfort and thinks I am fishing in order that I can place the kills (because he's seen Artanis do this as mafia) here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/476143-newbie-mini-mafia-lxi?page=33#642. He scumreads me a little more strongly for this here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/476143-newbie-mini-mafia-lxi?page=33#648. There's some form of impenetrable chat with rsoultin about a point on an observation board somewhere, which Trfel will need to explain if he's convinced that whatever is on that board is relevant, but after further thought he seems to discount it. His response to me saying he really doesn't want to play looks OK, though, calm, measured - he's not lost down a rabbit hole somewhere. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/476143-newbie-mini-mafia-lxi?page=35#687 He never answers but hislast will and testament puts lynchpool at Tere, ElyAs, Silverarte (maybe jarjar) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/476143-newbie-mini-mafia-lxi?page=38#749 On the face of it the refusal looks bad but I think the way he handles it looks OK. He's clearly worrying about some game I have no meta for so meh. I can't see why it would be so OMG critical to get two names out for scum and certainly I wouldn't need to do so to place a NK. It's not inherently scummy, he's just got his knickers in a twist about something. rsoultin: No answer - she grasps what I am doing I think, tells me to put my big girl pants on I really liked the relaxed tone from her, and lo, she flips town as the nightkill. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/476143-newbie-mini-mafia-lxi?page=34#661 Also, sod off with the deliberately condescending, lady N.B. rsoultin puts ElyAs as her top scumread in her farewell post and I for one, would be happy to oblige her with that ElyAs: Tere and zlefin http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/476143-newbie-mini-mafia-lxi?page=36#711 . I don't really like this as much - he's deliberately distancing himself while giving the reads and does so further when I point out immediately after that I was voting and posting at basically the same point as him on the bandwagon. Tere: The Shining and ElyAs. I get bored with waiting on The Shining and post my WOT of reads here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/476143-newbie-mini-mafia-lxi?page=37#723 The Shining: Tere and ElyAs. Comes straight in with an attack on me and flat out refuses to divulge top two scumreads until after EON. Not massively friendly. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/476143-newbie-mini-mafia-lxi?page=37#725. He eventually gives two picks after rsoultin probes him for it here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/476143-newbie-mini-mafia-lxi?page=37#736. I have to say I really don't like his reentry into the thread, his general defensiveness, his attacks on Trfel in particular. I think rsoultin has a genuine point about him Beetlejuicing and anyone who has also played scum with him before should consider her POV. No likey. Jarjarbinks: ElyAs and Tere: Jarjar hops on and quite quickly gives a promise he'd get to the shot question before EON, that looks very unforced and relaxed to me. He writes a very brief shot confirm just before EON http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/476143-newbie-mini-mafia-lxi?page=38#747. He posts thoughts about ElyAs after daybreak here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/476143-newbie-mini-mafia-lxi?page=38#759 and about me here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/476143-newbie-mini-mafia-lxi?page=39#771 . The timing of this stuff looks fine and the cases look relaxed. Town points from me, I also liked his presence in the thread in general after daybreak. Conclusion as to scumteam? Well, its pretty obvious to me - The Shining and ElyAs look the worst coming out of all of that. Since that also meshes with what I've felt from other parts of their filter I am comfortable with that. Other conclusion? Well, it's pretty obvious that everybody finds me scummy. I find this laughable, as as far as I am concerned I am happily playing aggro town, and the fact that everybody finds me scummy should be a decent clue that perhaps I am not. However, it is fine. I have a cunning plan for this. More shortly.If this paragraph is too long to revist, the scumteam is: The Shining and ElyAs. Inbetween this long awaited series of analysis and during it, reads on me are generally pleasant and wonderful. She's also prolific with her calls on "Don't judge me for what my actions are". Now, if we aren't judging based on actions and votes, what do we judge on? Now, her filter was rather prolific today which is great! Except...all of a sudden, there is a switch in tone on those votes. We go from hunting down other targets, to hunting down me based on Trfel's analysis. Rather than going with your initial votes and feels, you switched and trailed on with Trfel (which I was accused of doing) In fact, it's: On February 19 2015 07:07 Tere wrote: In fairness, when I posted this, I hadn't, for whatever reason had notification of Silverarte's longer post beforehand. I will go read that. Then the contribution is noted, and left alone. Why so hesitant to share thoughts? And why so insistant that we base our thoughts in one direction when according to you on several occasions, you admited you base things on tone. This is a fantastic tool, but it's an imperfect science and one we all pointed out to several of the others who joined us (Zlefin, etc). You, yourself have been very pleasant and forward, but very much pushing for others thoughts and ideas while holding back your own. I don't feel this is reaching, since this isn't the first time this has happened this game. Then there was the debate with Shining, who I believe summed it all up quite well. On February 19 2015 07:51 The Shining wrote: And you reacting at all is funny. A townie would've said "well screw it clear scum" and moved on after lynching me, instead of being willing to go head to head with me in the thread and fill it up with tit for tat. The tone changed afterwards, but your entire play up until this point has been even playful and cheerful. Here, this entire instance felt (to use a tone read here in addition to everything else I've tossed up), looks pretty bad. Especially with the consistent hold back on answers such as the question Shining gave you, your thoughts with the bullets when many were requesting it and of course, the hinting that there'd be more with other things later. I'm not certain if my vote is on you or not yet, (since we have til tomorrow) but of anyone, it's pretty strongly here and most likely where my vote will lie in the morning. As far as I understood, N2, you are able to take your time and consider before coming down hard on someone or something. (...several hours later....sheesh me. Trfel, I think I take that long time spent posting award. Or at least get one next to yours.) | ||
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On February 19 2015 10:36 Tere wrote: out of spoons, I will if you repost it, sorry if I'm lametown but i need to sleep, nn Also...out of spoons. I'll have to remember that. | ||
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On February 19 2015 09:15 jarjarbinks wrote: Is this true? Do you actually have stronger scumreads? Is it just Zlefin or were you just saying that to make your say without leaving too much of a mark? Give that slight scumread and then lurk away? At this time, the scummiest to me was indeed Zlefin who wasn't providing reasons for his reads (which he seems to have rectified!) and potentially ElyAs who wasn't around much at the time I posted that. As I said before, I wanted to wait to see what Tere had to say at the time. With two-three days to see what was going on in her mind and how she wanted to play the game, it wasn't a joke when I said I do enjoy reading what she has to say regardless of what I think she is. However, where I had time before, it's coming down on the clock and she's looking pretty rough to me right now. | ||
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On February 19 2015 09:22 The Shining wrote: Something is off. Ely has an unwillingness to even consider the idea that his read on Tere might be wrong, whereas even now, I'm still weary I may mistakenly mislynch. Since you can't decide, you'll just go with scum since that's what your townread is going with, right? One of you is scum but you strong towning her so hard gives me pause. And I'd rather not get hung up on unflipped association. What precisely feels off here? The strong townread? Ely? or the read on Tere? (Double checking to make sure I understand). | ||
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On February 19 2015 10:56 Trfel wrote: Silverarte, what challenge are you accepting? Oh! Tere said to woman up. XD | ||
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On February 19 2015 11:01 Trfel wrote: Also, it seems that Tere is the most opinion-polarizing read. While at the end of Night 1 she was generally scumread, now it seems to be about a 50/50 split. That's really interesting, and I think it's the first time we have an actual difference of opinions this game. I guess I have to reread Tere yet again.... ugh. Later. That's what led me to eyeing her. It's not that she doesn't give good reads or doesn't seem to put work into it. I'd say everyone here is working really hard, learning and playing. It's just those massive shifts, the sudden jump at Shining with that argument and the otherwise lack of seeming willingness to provide information that...could be due to overall playfulness or mystery, but I'm reading it more as stepping away from reads and committing. (At least, until the Gladiator call with the Shining. Which, as town, is that something you really want to risk?) | ||
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On February 19 2015 11:12 The Shining wrote: Trfel. Lmao. Stahp. Contribute something productive or ask me something while you have both myself and Silver here. Your lynch vote is on Silver. Let's discuss this. Silver, basically all of that. Ely blatantly says he won't budge from his read on Tere. As town, I'm personally always inclined to keep at least a 5% of healthy doubt. The only townie is a confirmed townie, IMO. Especially in a newbie game. I have trouble believing Ely is really that dead set on his read that he'd refuse to budge or be open to a case. And because he can't decide whether I'm scum or misguided town, I'm scum. Wouldn't not bring able to decide be null? Just seems to want to scum me after I scumread Tere. And after leaning town on me and agreeing my play is consistent and so were my posts. Ahhhh, I see what you're saying. Just as a question (because yes, last game you all taught me the benefit of that healthy doubt), how much of this do you think is because of being new to the game? | ||
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On February 19 2015 11:31 The Shining wrote: Actually being new is why this worried me so much. I still have not encountered someone new to the game who has been so sure of a town read D2. My first newbie game, we had all but confirmed townies that I was still questioning due to newbie paranoia. To be fair, this is my second game and I'm suspicious of everything. It's hard to navigate through all the information. | ||
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On February 19 2015 11:36 Silverarte wrote: To be fair, this is my second game and I'm suspicious of everything. It's hard to navigate through all the information. And then I hit the enter key before typing "So I can see what you mean." >< Go me. | ||
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Trfel? What do you think of Ely as of right now? (In light of what you posted above to Shining) | ||
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Also, stepping out for an hour or so. I'm out of tea. (Tragedies!) | ||
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On February 19 2015 12:54 Trfel wrote: I'll take a look. General reads would be useful. Can we actually get one of those simple Town/Leaning Town/Null/Leaning Scum/Scum lists from you? Oh sure. I'll get right on that. =) | ||
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Town: Trfel Leaning Town: The Shining Null: Zlefin JarJar Leaning Scum: ElyAs Scum: Tere | ||
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On February 19 2015 13:11 The Shining wrote: Left work, on mobile. Left late, making a quick stop, be back in less than 2 hours. Ack. Be safe Shining! | ||
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Also, I'm going to be heading to bed here shortly. If you have anything for me in the meantime I'm here, but otherwise, I need to hit the sack. XD | ||
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On February 19 2015 13:23 Trfel wrote: Very well, good night. I might not actually get to your filter tonight, if not, first priority for tomorrow (after reading the thread, of course). No worries. I look forward to your reads then. Take it easy and have a good night! (When you get to the resting bit and all that fun stuff) | ||
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(Also wow activity. You guys are amazing to read) | ||
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On February 20 2015 07:22 The Shining wrote: Right now, depending on JJB's votes and any last minute shenanies, you're set to be lynched. Trfel has given us a few goodbye posts and insights to look into, should he be lynched and flip town. I would like the same from you, please. I'll try to squeeze it in between calls. | ||
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the happy dagger pierced me true, persuading my heart to stop. =P Just wanted to say thanks for an enjoyable game and good luck to everyone! Hope to see you all in the next one. =) | ||
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