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Silverarte
On February 16 2015 13:43 Silverarte wrote:
I read the RNG posts and Hier's issues, so I decided to tackle this. The problem is, I really can't say why Hier shouldn't be here. There was a huge focus previously on his (? ...sorry, always so hard to know genders on games like this! No offense meant) idea for how a game should be. It became a huge focus and while it got discussion going, it didn't
What bothers me most here is that you're being pushed for those reads. While it's a newbie game, those reads aren't coming easy. Moreso, why are you pushing so hard for special mechanics over playing the game? What does this gain you?
I'd say one good point in your favor was Shining's point on all of this in that you're putting forth a lot of effort. However, I argue that really? That effort is for Bridges, not for actually participating with questions from others. Your last post (assuming you haven't posted by the time I pop this up) bothers me a great deal. I actually don't really like this read. It feels a bit weak, a bit forced. A lot of it is tone, some of the wording seems suspect, although I can't explain it.
On February 16 2015 13:56 Silverarte wrote:
Silver's work schedule so you know when to expect seeing her around (though she totally hopes to be around during lunches! YAY NEW JOB!)
I work four days a week, ten hour shifts now. I'm also currently helping with work on a house, but that'll be changing here in a few days.
I basically work: Monday, Thurs, Fri and Sat: 7:30-6:30 (MST). I believe that's 14:30 GMT to 1:30 GMT. I think that's about right. Now, I'll be around mostly in the evenings (later evenings) so if you have questions, please feel free to ask and I'll do my best to answer them if I miss you being around. I'll do what I did last time and place votes before I go to work and if I can duck in during lunches, I'll do so. I'll try my best!
(I'm pretty excited to see people about during the evening time though. This is a large contrast to my previous game. =D) I see this as completely null. It's a great way for scum to look helpful, while not contributing anything, and giving an opportunity to blame schedules and hide (though I have no doubts that this is Silverarte's actual schedule).
On February 16 2015 22:39 Silverarte wrote:Sorry friends, I completely fell asleep last night >< Show nested quote +On February 16 2015 15:05 Trfel wrote:On February 16 2015 14:59 rsoultin wrote:On February 16 2015 14:57 Trfel wrote:On February 16 2015 14:54 rsoultin wrote:On February 16 2015 14:53 Hier wrote:
By the way, for the sake of pronoun consistency, as I understand it, rsoultin, The Shining, and Mimeux are women, and the rest are men. Is that right? Apologies if I am making a mistake. Shining is male. It's like "The Shining" with Jack Nicholson. Not relevant, but lol, I'm sure he's tired of being called a woman ^^ Ok good, I was scared for a second. Who else is female then? Now that it has been brought up, I'm scared that I am wrong..... Far as I know just silver and I, since mime is being replaced. I love how this thread has derailed xP Ok good, I thought it was Silverarte. Hier, any thoughts you have on the thread are appreciated. Even if you want to post a huge wall of null reads, I would appreciate that (rsoultin and The Shining would probably start screaming for your head, but I would look at the content first...). I'm sure that rsoultin would let up on you for the moment if you provide some content and scumhunting to the thread. Though I do need to reread my comments on The Shining in the morning, if anyone wanted to comment on The Shining (with or without reference to my comments), that would be appreciated. Good night. I'll take the sleepiness into account Trfel.  Though, when you're around again, let me know what you think without all of the sleepiness there? As far as Shining goes, I can see your point. I didn't see what made the case on Zlefin, particularly since Zle's filter looked null to me at that time. I'd say the oddest thing to me here is that you being potentially scumread for walls of text. Those make it hard to read sometimes true, but I proved my only other game then and now that I do those too. Personally, I'd like to see more from Shining. I saw where you are coming from, but I don't feel he's a D1 lynch. And actually, I'd like to see everyone's thought here too. @zlefin I appreciate the concern about activity and all that, but remember. I live in the US and I posted my schedule up. On Saturdays, I work for ten hours then went out for Valentines out here. While I appreciate activity might signify something, at the same time, understanding for the holiday I feel should be in there somewhere too. Now, that said and behind us, my question for you is this. The scumread list you gave, can I ask what gives you the thoughts that Jarjar and Hier are on the lynch list. Also, if I'm reading the way you have that list right, Rsoultin is on the lynch list too, is that correct? (It's the points I'm trying to sort out). The first portion of this post, discussing my suspicions of The Shining, seems to be poor following. The third paragraph shows that in addition to complete following, Silverarte is distancing herself from the read. I'm not convinced that she was thinking critically about this, especially given the way that The Shining and rsoultin responded to my posts on The Shining at this time.
The final paragraph is rather defensive, especially given that Silverarte opened up this very post with an excuse for activity, and has already posted her schedule. Looking back at zlefin's posts, he basically gave two one-liners about Silverarte, making this final paragraph feel rather out of place and extremely defensive.
The vast majority of Silverarte's posts concern her own activity (or lack thereof).
Show nested quote +On February 17 2015 14:12 Silverarte wrote:Quick notes: On February 17 2015 07:37 zlefin wrote:On February 17 2015 07:24 rsoultin wrote:
Who do you really want to vote for, Zle? If you were a vigilante, had a day shot, and could take someone out without anyone else's input, who would it be and why? I don't have anyone I really want to vote for, or I'd vote for them. All I have are a few weak reads on some people, the table I keep is like this currently: Trfel 0/2 Shining rsoultin 1/1 elyas jarjar -2/2 tere hier 0/2 silver -1/1 which given that points are minor reads (not necessarily of the same strength, any time I get a feel one way or another due to a post, or a general impression, I put a point in on someone) means I don't have any good target. If I were vigilante, I'd save my shot for better reads later. If I had to choose, I'd probably choose jarjar, since he's the guy I have two negatives on. It looks like your table change for Trf and Silver since last time you posted it. What did they say/do that made you give them a point? I'm not sure, I'd have to look back through my own filter, at least for trf's case. I probably did it in response to something someone said, in which case I probably said something in thread about that, at least to agree with their concern. For silver, I'm just unsatisfied with his late posting, his explanation is reasonable, and could be the case, but I still don't like it. I was waiting to hear his explanations for not posting real life day 1 before dinging him a point (especially since until he posted, I thought he was gonna get replaced). Ten hour day and a date afterwards my friend! Go ahead and ding me for it, but I SO regret nothing! =D (1 am and we still weren't done talking philosophy. SO much fun. Also...lots of food. Mmm....) Thoughts/reads on people: The Shining: Posting content when arriving, and I can totally understand limited access here. That said, I'm still looking at the previous case where it was pointed out that The Shining did react defensive pretty quickly. At least he was honest about his Sheeping, for all he had a case on Zlefin. Suspicious of you man! But, not suspicious enough to push you at the moment. =P ElyAs: I'd really like to see more from Ely here. We go from case on Hier, to not being sold on the Lynch, back to the case on Hier, then a case on Zlefin. The only real content here are those cases and the rest of his posts don't have a lot of subtance. Ely is another person I'm waiting to see more from. (More to come! Yay filters!)
Silverarte chooses her two shots to be zlefin and Tere. The Tere read appears to be partially following my lead, since the only original insight in this post is rather weak. Looking back at the post where Silverarte initially showed suspicions of Tere, it feels weak, a bit of following me, and tempered by uncertainty.
I'm not impressed by Silverarte's read on zlefin, either. It seems to be picking on a a new player for weak reasons. To be fair, a lot of players have done this, but that doesn't mean that I have to approve (and I think I've been mostly consistent about players who find weak reasons to pick on other players).
On February 18 2015 04:02 Silverarte wrote:
Woo! Back! How's it going so far?
Also, so far, what is everyone's top? Rather than two bullets, how about one? And then of course, there is this post. Ironic considering that Silverarte scumread Tere for doing the same thing (asking for who people would kill without doing any work herself).
Finally, rsoultin mentioned that Silverarte was completely forgettable, and I agree. Being forgettable is an indication of being scum.
In summary, I don't like Silverarte very much right now. There is a lot of hiding behind inactivity, a lot of weak reads, and she has been a bit too defensive. I'll take another look at Student Mafia V, but I think I could see myself lynching Silverarte. Thoughts?
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I believe that's a good analysis, and would like to hear Silver's rebuttal. Also, if you think it's silver, any idea on who they're working with?
I'm starting to try to think on pairwise analysis to see who looks too in sync.
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Also, I think we could use some more pressure for activity, though I understand being busy.
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On February 19 2015 05:06 zlefin wrote:
I believe that's a good analysis, and would like to hear Silver's rebuttal. Also, if you think it's silver, any idea on who they're working with?
I'm starting to try to think on pairwise analysis to see who looks too in sync. I really, really, really hate unflipped association analysis.
But if Silverarte is scum, Tere isn't looking too good at the moment. Again, I really hate unflipped association analysis. There are just too many variables, I'd rather just lynch who I think is scum.
On second thought, let's turn up the heat.
##vote Silverarte
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Ahahah! I just come back ,start to catch up and see we've got some heat. Well, let me catch up and we'll see what I can do to turn that back down.
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On February 19 2015 05:19 Silverarte wrote:
Ahahah! I just come back ,start to catch up and see we've got some heat. Well, let me catch up and we'll see what I can do to turn that back down. Oh, look who showed up.
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Well, I can't stay under a rock all the time.
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Beetlejuice, beetlejuiice, beetlejuice...
You'd better make it good, Silver...
Also I was just about to say that I wasn't ready to weigh in mightily, given that only Trfel, ElyAs and zlefin had posted since my mega WOT, and I wanted to hear what others had to say clean, without giving cues. I guess I will let Silver collect herself and post. In the meantime I did have a few thoughts on what's gone on since my WOTs. I'll work on those.
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On February 19 2015 00:23 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2015 22:31 Trfel wrote:
Not good enough.
##vote Tere
(I need to leave now, but that's left a bit ambiguous for a reason) I'm sorry, I thought you were done (misinterpreted what you were saying, I guess). You're still posting reasoning/explanations. Carry on then.
I was going to honeybadger you for this, given I'd said there was plenty more to come, but then you apologised later and said you missed that sentence, so I am chalking this up to sleepy Trfel and giving you the benefit of the doubt for the moment. These things happen, I've misread enough as town that I'm not going to crucify you for it. null read. Carry on. 
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Hi Trfel. I bolded the stuff that I wanted to respond to and put numbers in front of it.
On February 19 2015 00:55 Trfel wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 19 2015 00:29 Tere wrote:Before I get on to a suggestion for today's play, I just want to respond briefly to what I've bolded here: Show nested quote +On February 18 2015 12:44 Trfel wrote:On February 18 2015 11:00 jarjarbinks wrote:
I'm not gonna lie, I am less confident in this one.
Tere:
1: Hier voted for Tere: This is definitely WIFOM. This is also based on numbers I've seen and will be hard to explain, but I will try my best. WIFOM reads are generally perceived as 50-50. From what I have seen in previous (non-newbie games), WIFOM reads from town are actually decent reads on average. Better than 50-50. Especially the reads where the dead townie voted for someone on his/her own. This is great (and you could say hard for me to prove) but you do have to ask yourself if Hier was simply retaling (if forgot the acronym) Tere's aggressive lynch or if he was on to something. I honestly think Hier believed in his vote, which makes me think Tere is more suspicious.
2. Sometimes Tier has been unresponsive to rather simple or weak pokes at her. I've never played with her before and she could play this way as town, but I think this is suspicious. I think this argument has been made by others, so I won't dive too hard, but it is suspicious.
3. Tere was in the bandwagon group, at least to begin with, but then went hard on Hier as time went on. In my eyes, this shows she acted the most like town of the four (Tere, Trf, Silver, Elyas). I put her in this group because she initially bandwagonned.
Making a caveat to my own biases, I perceived her to act like my sister due to the first few posts she's made. I will try not to do that in the future. 1. It's not WIFOM because Hier was lynched, not night killed. Given the nature of the lynch, the best you can take from this is that Hier was scumreading Tere. There's not much else to be said here. 2. It's probably best for townies not to respond to weak pokes. If townies are too caught up in defending every single suspicio n someone raises against them, not only does that detract from their own scumhunting, but it distracts the entire thread. On the contrary, I actually felt that she was a bit too responsive to my suspicions of her when I admitted they were unfounded in the exact same post. Since End of Day, many people have expressed suspicions of Tere, and she has just said that all will be clear after the Day post. Tere's next few posts will probably be extremely crucial in reading her. Tere, I am very much awaiting an explanation for your posting during the night. You've been hinting at something. Time to reveal.Anyone there who wants to chat? Trfel, if you are town, can you please not bloody do this, it's very irritating. My response to you yesterday probably took an hour of my time by the time I'd fucked about with the formatting to make it readable. You made it very clear in your initial post that you wanted a response from me, I took the time and trouble to craft it, and your response is to scumread me for it further. I don't have the time to play this game 24/7, and behaving like this if you are town makes me not want to work with you. That's compounded by you simply saying "That's not good enough", laying a lame vote on me and sodding off just now. I'm now up to 4 hours time spent in the thread post daybreak, with more to come. If this is what you are going to do, I don't see why I should put the effort in, quite frankly, particularly given I'm being universally scumread right now. I should just let you guys mislynch me, AFK, and troll you in the deadboard. Not impressed right now. Now that you are done, I will respond to this. 1. First of all, I apologize for the formatting being difficult. I tried to put it in a formatting that was easy to read. In the future, if anyone wants to respond to me, they may feel free to put it in whatever formatting is easiest for them, I am more than happy to read a response in potentially poor formatting. That was not my intention at all. I do appreciate you spending a lot of time on this game, for the record, I've been spending a lot of time on it too. It took me over an hour to type the post in question as well. As to why I voted you, I had maybe two minutes before I had to leave for class. I read your posts, saw night kill analysis and voting analysis (which I considered weak*), and no explanation of your strange behavior as of late. Therefore, I placed a vote for you. Note that this vote was pressure, not a firm vote, you can sort of tell that by the sentence in parentheses underneath the vote. I missed the sentences where you said that you were not done. Bad play by me? Yes. Uncalled for? Yes. Can we move on? I hope so. Ironically, my intention was exactly the same as what you suggested (and for basically the same reasons). 2. *I believe that the voting analysis and night kill analysis you provided are weak (not your fault, they are quite good for the little material to work with). However, what I did not realize is that you were providing an extremely comprehensive thought process including analysis of everything possible, which naturally would include a voting analysis and a night kill analysis, however strong/weak. Therefore, the voting and night kill analysis make perfect sense and are appreciated.I will not lynch for information. I don't think that is a good idea at all. And yes, if we mislynch today, we are on LYLO, and I do not like that prospect.
1. I didn't have a problem with the post format as a concept, and agree it's a decent way to format a case for others to read so it's not terrifying. What would have made it much easier to answer is if you'd numbered the points rather than bulleted them, and I'd recommend something like that going forward, because it really was a PITA to navigate all those tags. This goes for everyone, BTW - if you want someone to respond to a complex case, please make it easy for them. A less motivated and stubborn person than myself might have just AFKed the post, which wouldn't have been town positive.
2. I think you are discrediting voting analysis and NK analysis if you discard them on principle. One of the reasons I did the votecount was that I saw Eden on this site in one of the recent games I read (it could have been Imperial, sicklucker was scum, IamRobik was cop) use it to excellent effect to catch scum Susperia and scum rt....y? I agree that there is not much that is fantastic to go on here.
My main points of takeaway from the vote analysis, in case they got lost in the WOT, was that I townread jarjarbinks despite him being and outlier, and scumread The Shining for the lazy sheep onto hier citing rsoul.. I read Silver's early vote as being towny, but I can equally see the cases made for her plopping a vote on an easy lynch, so that moves back to a null for me.
My main takeaway from the N1 analysis - don't WIFOM over it overly much - the main point of interest was The Shining's push on you immediately after the flip. It's not a scumread per se. I just want it noted.
Does that help?
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On February 19 2015 01:27 ElyAs wrote:
You know what Tere ? I'm sold on you being town, and I really hope I'm right.
When I red your posts and Trfel's snap vote, I skipped a beat because I was starting to townread you and saw one of my townreads vote for you. I'm kinda relieved by Trfel's follow-up.
I know I'm not in the best of lights right now, and I'm gonna try to step up my game to find a good case, I owe it to jarjar and Trfel because their posts gave me a little bit of confidence.
I got an hour to allocate to this game right now and I'll try to use it well. (It is really a time consuming game !)
This post feels as towny as fuck to me. It's enough to move him off my autolynch pile - before this I was going to place a vote as the best option. It comes from a real place of emotion that is horribly hard to fake, IMO.
Moving Elyas up my town - scum pile towards town. Lurkers beware 
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On February 19 2015 01:47 zlefin wrote:
Tere's long set of texts looks fairly towny. It feels like a strong attempt to make people believe she's town. And it does read towny, lots of info, good analysis, appropriate level of outrage at prospect of being lynched.
My one concern is that it kinda feels like trying to get the benefit of blueclaiming without actually blueclaiming.
The only point I would make as a new player is don't expend too much mental energy over this. I have told people in ALLCAPS not to claim as a result of anything I am doing, I certainly don't expect people to not lynch me over this. Ignore any claims you see in my behaviour and carry on. Seriously, ignore any WIFOM over if I am a special or not
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I don't know why, but reading your last two posts Tere, makes me feel a bit more suspicious rather than less.
Hopefully you're number of posts doesn't change as I'm typing this.
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You may hate unflipped association analysis Trfel, I'd say it's weak, but not utterly useless.
Mostly I'd expect associations to be unclear, but the fewer people there are left in the pool, the more it becomes possible to maybe say something.
Even if I could just say a certain pair of people aren't both mafia, that'd still be useful.
It also represents another way of looking at things; and looking at things from a different angle can be helpful, as long as you don't read too much into it.
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OK, see below. I'm gonna bold my comments in the quote, if that makes sense. There's a lot in there, so please go spoiler diving
+ Show Spoiler +On February 19 2015 04:09 Trfel wrote:This will be a more detailed response to Tere's recent posts. (or, since I napped for so long, not so recent any more) First, I note that the amount of effort that Tere put into these posts is probably the greatest single time effort I have ever seen in a mafia game. I almost townread her for effort alone, though without knowing her character, that isn't safe, unfortunately. However, the amount of effort put in is extremely encouraging. Tere's comment. I could have an extended rant about why this is really annoying, but I won't. It feels like a patronising "good girl, well done" or something. Trfel, if this is unintentional, you need to work on your wording a bit.I generally think that voting analysis (at least when basically everyone votes for one obvious person) and night kill analysis are weak. I'm guessing that it would be easily possible to spin the voting analysis to have a completely different set of implicated players (not implying that this is what Tere did). Keep in mind that I have never actually performed or analyzed someone else's voting analysis.... Tere's comment: OK, but you should see what Eden can do with vote analysis. I've gone into why the NK analysis is WIFOM. What's there is a yucky bandwagon, but we don't have much. Shutting it down isn't helpful. All the players here are smart. I am trusting that the town majority can make their own judgementsI see the way that Silverarte voted as more null than town, and I feel that the way The Shining voted wasn't as terrible as Tere thinks. Tere's comment - I know you are townreading The Shining and disagree with that. I agree that seeing the early vote from Silverarte as an alternative is quite reasonableAnd I feel that ElyAs was actually the most proactive about looking into counterwagons. Tere's comment: I got a reasonable angst from him at the time so yeah. I don't know I'd describe him as proactive then, but his responses today have looked better. We need time to work out if it's a scramble away from a lazy lynch now I'm in honeybadger mode, or a real attempt to help. Right now we have that time.I suppose it's silly to try and judge my own play, but I am more inclined to think that the way I voted for Hier looks more scummy than towny. Though that could be completely wrong. And naturally, I think that the rest of my play is more than towny enough to make up for it.
Tere's comment: Oh STFU with your own personal wifom. Stop making your suicide sword. Seriously. Kill scum. I have no sympathy for wangst. Chop chop. (Yes, I'm not very sympathetic. deal with it.)On to Tere's analysis of our collective scumreads. Show nested quote +On February 19 2015 00:20 Tere wrote:
(as an aside, please don't scumread me for being asleep fairly soon after day and night ends that end at midnight my time, that would be lovely) I'm not. But you had time to post an F5 gif and another post or two, you could have expressed a little disappointment at the flip. It's a moot point, since I'm accepting your explanation, and now that I think about it more, scum tend to feel guilty and sorry for the mislynch. Not showing emotion is not really alignment indicative. Tere's comment, good, because I'm not going to apologise for killing a non helpful town player in the absence of an attractive counterwagon. I've outlined why before. You are going to have to live with that. I have already offered to talk to Hier post game, because I'm not actually a bitch I also disagree with some of Tere's reasoning for the "two kills" analysis. Nice people aren't always town, and mean people aren't always mafia. For example, while The Shining's filter does contain several suspicious things, it also contains several things that look towny. So I'm not confident in scumreading him just for being angry. Tere's comment, this is a horribad simplification of this analysis, and is setting off all sorts of alarm bells, particularly after yesterday's attempt at saying I was only townreading experienced people. If you are town, townreading me, and not getting all my internal cognitions, get out of my way and accept I have a different process, as I've done with jarjar (and would probably have worked out with Hier had he shown an interest at all in reaching out, but hey ho). I am not typing out every nuance of my internal dialogues, I spent a ton of time I didn't have today working to a town win, and just, yeah. Get out of my way if we have the same wincon. If you can't trust me, and had a decent read of Rso, I'll remind you Rso grokked me, (although of course dead players aren't infallible).
If you are scum, fuck you In addition to this, Tere's posting has this tone that I run into every so often, not only convincing me that the player posting is the most towny player in the history of mafia, but also making me feel miserable for ever doubting their towniness. With an experienced conversationalist like Tere, logic tells me to be careful with this tone read. Tere's comment: Hi, Town Paranoia, meet Trfel. Trfel, meet Town Paranoia. Come back from this rabbit hole please I'm not willing to completely clear Tere. But she has gone through an incredible effort, and much of what she says makes sense (though given the size of the posts, there weren't that many profound insights, though because her posts were formatted to talk about everything that is acceptable, I suppose). Tere's comment, WTF is up with this negging? I'm a little worried that Tere's posts make her look better than I feel the analysis warrants, but on the whole, I'm mostly happy to accept Tere as town. Especially if Tere leads us to a scum lynch. If she leads a mislynch, then I will have to take another serious look at this again.... Tere's comment. I think I made it clear my lynchpool at start of day. ElyAs is looking a bit better now, which means I need to look to a POE candidate. I still can't see for the life of me why a bunch of you are townreading The Shining, right now he is textbook defensive scum to me. The best next POE candidate for me would be Silver, because I think there are merits to both you and ElyAs' cases. I would lynch within that pool, but given the cloud of WIFOM. I am not going to lead a wagon right now. Deal with it. I want people to make their own decisions. There's over half the day left and I want town aligned players to be proactive, not responsive
First off, this was such a weird thing for me to read. It gave me the weirdest lady negative boner, is the best way to explain it. It was kind of like going on a date with this guy who had read one of those pick up artists books about how you have to neg your date. That's the best way to explain it.
I guess I have to preface this with two things.
a) Trfel, if you are scum, much props to you for a Machievellian attempt at manipulation, and also, fuck you
the outcome I think more likely is
b) Trfel, if you are town, I spent a long long time just going through the basics this morning, and you have to give me a bit of credit, and I haven't gone into any of the depths of the nuances of my reads. Stop simplifying things, you did that weird thing where you insisted that I was only town reading experienced folk, and now I am townreading people who are nice to me. Give me a bit of credit and accept I haven't gone into all the passages of my brain and laid them out for you. Don't be that weird negging guy. If you won't, don't make me honeybadger you. You won't like it.
More in the mega quote. Please read it.
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On February 19 2015 04:15 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2015 02:25 ElyAs wrote:
For now I see her filter is about suspicion on zlefin and Tere, and generally trying to be amiable to Trfel and rsoultin.
It could be mildly pushing easy lynch targets while being careful of townleaders. I've been more seriously considering the possibility of Silverarte being scum as well. You beat me to it. But please, Tere is not, never has been, and probably never will be an easy lynch target. High post count players are rarely easy lynch targets, even if they aren't as sensible and persuasive as Tere is.
Dude, as of start of day I was the sole common denominator on everyone's scum lists. That's like the definition of lynchable right there.
Right now I think scum are not posting, and are trying to work out what to do now their easy lynches of zlef and myself aren't looking so lynchable. That's why I want to pull back.
I love giving people rope to hang themselves
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On February 19 2015 06:19 zlefin wrote:
I don't know why, but reading your last two posts Tere, makes me feel a bit more suspicious rather than less.
Hopefully you're number of posts doesn't change as I'm typing this.
I actually like this, it feels very honest, I am not scumreading you for it
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On February 19 2015 06:26 zlefin wrote:
You may hate unflipped association analysis Trfel, I'd say it's weak, but not utterly useless.
Mostly I'd expect associations to be unclear, but the fewer people there are left in the pool, the more it becomes possible to maybe say something.
Even if I could just say a certain pair of people aren't both mafia, that'd still be useful.
It also represents another way of looking at things; and looking at things from a different angle can be helpful, as long as you don't read too much into it.
I've tried unflipped associations, and my honest view is that can lead you into a WIFOM rabbithole of horribleness. A mountainous game I played in has left particular scars there.
Try by all means. A light analysis might help (looking at your two main scum leads for interactions, for example).
If you find yourself losing sleep over it, stop, is my best advice
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Ok, so I backtracked and caught up and it looks like the most pressing thing right now is to clear my name. So if I'm missing questions, please feel free to point them out and I'll get right on that.
Now first off, I see I wasn't clear about the two bullet question I had. I meant for that to be directed at Tere, who at the time, was not giving us an answer for anything when I posted that. My main hope had been that perhaps I'd be able to one answer from her if not the two. I was obviously not clear and hadn't noticed that at the time.
Now, as for the cases on Tere and Zlefin:
-You've stated it yourself Trfel. This is a newbie game. For all Tere has mountains of experience elsewhere, Zlefin does not and Tere still had more to come. Moreso, it was N1 with all of us metaphorically twiddling our thumbs to wait for the results. We had, as of then, over two more days to figure out who our next lynch was be. With D2 around the corner, my thought was we had time to figure out just what Tere was doing and where Zlefin was going to pop up as. (Speaking of, good job Zle. You stepped up the game on those explanations when you're assigning points).
Now, I agreed with your case. I could have copy/pasted it over or pull over additional information (and am more than happy to break it down), but as I said, we had more time to figure it out.
-I have asked a couple times if anyone's had questions for me. While people have interacted with me, I've not seen many questions until Tere joined us and did that odd play with the bullets. On that note, if anyone has other questions for me now, please feel free to ask.
-If we review where my votes have been. Tere pointed out the way things worked out with Hier and I've explained my thought processes with my previous scum reads. That said, I felt I've been consistent with my reads.
Is this enough to save me this round? Not sure! I'll just have to keep playing and prove I'm town.
(Also, sidenote. Tere? You so made me want to go watch the Beetlejuice movie now.)
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Now...as I said. Onwards to proving things! Filter diving, here I come. I'll be lurking for a bit while I do this.
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