Newbie Mini Mafia LXI - Page 32

Tere is clearly experienced in the general workings of a mafia game, even if she is new to this site. Thus, I expect her to show a reasonable ability to make reads and judgments. In addition, Tere has shown to be experienced with mafia acronyms, so I expect to see a high standard of play from her.

The last line of this post initially stands out. If she intends to filter dive everyone in the thread to make reads on them (which is obviously what she did), why would she vote for Hier before she finished filter diving? I know she already read the thread by the time she posted this case, but I would still think that she would wait to fully analyze everyone before voting. It's not like this is a pressure vote, since Hier was already significantly ahead in the voting, both by numbers and the thread presence of the people voting for him. The read itself isn't that unrealistic, but is weirdly stated. Tere's analysis seems to completely ignore the possibility of Hier being a frustrated townie. I also note that scumreading Hier at this point (well, at most points throughout Day 1) is a really easy thing to do. Meanwhile, Tere's reasoning mostly involves copying points that have already been made.

Right after being confident enough to vote for Hier, before fully analyzing the other people in the thread, Tere expresses doubt over lynching Hier. She also says that we should look for counterwagons. Let's see if she makes any effort to follow through on this.My point is that I feel it is reasonably safe to assume that Tere agreed with my reasoning that rsoultin should be nice about pushing Hier to encourage him to try and defend himself and not quit playing the game. However, this is at odds with the tone that Tere took when conversing with Hier (quotes supporting this will follow).
Here, I voiced what I think is the best defense for Hier. Since Tere has voted for Hier, and still expressed doubts and a desire to look for counterwagons, she ought to be interested in what I have to say (especially since she later said that she focused on conversing with her townreads, and at the time I was one of her townreads). Tere's quoted post does show some hesitance to lynch Hier, however her reasoning expressed in this post was later shown to be wrong (note that I am not saying that Tere expressed wrong opinions and is therefore mafia, the two are unrelated) My point is, Tere avoided the point of my post, and addressed it while avoiding answering it.

Hier finally comes back. Here are some of the posts that Tere makes towards Hier. Despite seeming open to other wagons and agreeing that it is wise to go soft when pushing someone in a newbie game, her posts seem to say the opposite.

And after this initial bombardment, then some other dismissive posts,And Hier is supposed to enthusiastically answer Tere's questions? I also agree with jarjarbinks here, it doesn't hurt at all for Tere to answer Hier's questions first. There is no reason not to.In addition, Tere doesn't seem to be affected at all by the lynch. This is strange, given that she was the main player conversing with Hier in the hours preceding the lynch. Note that she gave only a token effort for finding counterwagons (looked at ElyAs upon my suggestion, glanced at Silverarte's filter). More on this next.

I realize in advance that this is controversial. Let me first state that being nervous is normally considered to be a mafia trait, and being relaxed is normally considered to be a town trait. But this is by no means a hard rule, or even all that accurate. For example, Mimeux was about as nervous as possible and Tere is about as relaxed as possible, and they have the exact same role. It could just be Tere's personality, but I have a lot of trouble seeing how town!Tere would be this relaxed in this game. I have several reasons for this. First, it's a newbie game, and newbie games tend to be scum-favored. I know that the last newbie game I played in was a nightmare, and while this one seems better than last, it's definitely among the harder games I have played in. Second, Tere expressed doubts about the Hier lynch going in to it. Why would a townie who isn't completely confident about a lynch go into it completely relaxed? I know that I was pretty nervous about it (even though I wasn't online at the time, I was thinking about it). Tere's carefree attitude doesn't fit in a game with difficult reads, an uncertain Day 1 lynch target, and the eventual mislynch. With a Day 1 mislynch and no great followup, town should be anxious, not relaxed. Tere's relaxed attitude seems to come from a confident scum who has been quickly townread and is watching town collapse.

Note that the three most experienced players are all in the most town category, and the one first time player is at the bottom. It's easy to identify if someone is playing well or not. I could go on all day saying if reads are good or bad. But that serves no purpose, since bad doesn't mean mafia, and good doesn't mean town. With Tere's experience and confidence, she ought to know this. However, calling bad play mafia is easy, and calling good play town is easy. An interesting note is that I got the opposite impression from zlefin's filter. While if his lack of experience is ignored, his play is obviously sub-standard, to me his posts seemed genuine and he is trying, and I fail to scum motivation for them. Tere didn't pick up on this at all. This is especially strange, since she claims to get most of her reads through tone.

I touched on this already. Not much to say. While it is still a bit suspicious, given the way that Hier was responding towards the later part of the day, I can understand.