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On February 15 2015 15:14 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2015 15:10 jarjarbinks wrote:
Rsoultin: Do you think you could actually RNG lynch someone? I don't think you could lol Speak of the devil ^^ Did you have a hot date tonight I don't know about, bro? Probably not -amused- I'm sure there's a how-to online somewhere, though >> I could just google it xP
Nope, totally 5th wheeled a weird after church double date thing tho. I should prob get one of those date things.
LOL just make sure you don't actually read all of the rules first
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On February 15 2015 15:17 jarjarbinks wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2015 15:14 rsoultin wrote:On February 15 2015 15:10 jarjarbinks wrote:
Rsoultin: Do you think you could actually RNG lynch someone? I don't think you could lol Speak of the devil ^^ Did you have a hot date tonight I don't know about, bro? Probably not -amused- I'm sure there's a how-to online somewhere, though >> I could just google it xP Nope, totally 5th wheeled a weird after church double date thing tho. I should prob get one of those date things. LOL just make sure you don't actually read all of the rules first
Or my role PM? xP
Dude, if only you'd posted that in-thread; it could totally make the wtf awards ^^
So, opinions on any of the players/goings-on thus far?
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On February 15 2015 15:14 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2015 15:10 jarjarbinks wrote:
Rsoultin: Do you think you could actually RNG lynch someone? I don't think you could lol Speak of the devil ^^ Did you have a hot date tonight I don't know about, bro? Probably not -amused- I'm sure there's a how-to online somewhere, though >> I could just google it xP
From my (limited) understanding of RNG lynch, the point isn't necessarily to actually lynch the target, but to see how people react to the push.
On February 15 2015 15:13 jarjarbinks wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2015 15:12 Trfel wrote:On February 15 2015 15:08 jarjarbinks wrote:
Hey guys.
Trf: Low content game because of it being a newbie game? Or because of valentines day? I'm mostly worried about this game because it is a newbie game. Historically, newbie games tend to be significantly more mafia favored than normal games, and the newbie game Day 1 mafia lynch percentage is lower than random guessing (oh the irony...). I think that this is primarily due to inactivity. I could see that, I think my first game (the newbie one) was only like 50 ish pages while the student one (my second) was like 100. Guessing its due to a lack of confidence? I think it's mostly due to people not quite understanding what the game is supposed to look like and how scumhunting normally works. I remember in my first game, I had a ton of trouble figuring out how to play the game (heck, I still don't have a very good idea). But I think that the best answer is just to play, it's easier to figure it out by doing it. So my hope is to give people something to talk about, and ideally, create an environment where (town) players don't feel pressured to avoid "messing up", but still being productive.
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On February 15 2015 15:20 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2015 15:17 jarjarbinks wrote:On February 15 2015 15:14 rsoultin wrote:On February 15 2015 15:10 jarjarbinks wrote:
Rsoultin: Do you think you could actually RNG lynch someone? I don't think you could lol Speak of the devil ^^ Did you have a hot date tonight I don't know about, bro? Probably not -amused- I'm sure there's a how-to online somewhere, though >> I could just google it xP Nope, totally 5th wheeled a weird after church double date thing tho. I should prob get one of those date things. LOL just make sure you don't actually read all of the rules first Or my role PM? xP Dude, if only you'd posted that in-thread; it could totally make the wtf awards ^^ So, opinions on any of the players/goings-on thus far?
Trf's opening: slightly less crazy than last game I played with him in. No random vote the guy who might be inactive play. Wants to promote discussion. I could go either way cuz he "tried" to do that as scum.
Shining- not much reaction there. What i'd typically expect I guess?
You- I expect you to do what you do every game. You did it...lol
Everyone else: I'm guessing they are gone for valentine's. I'd get worried if people aren't chiming in when I wake up tomorrow.
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On February 15 2015 15:26 jarjarbinks wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2015 15:20 rsoultin wrote:On February 15 2015 15:17 jarjarbinks wrote:On February 15 2015 15:14 rsoultin wrote:On February 15 2015 15:10 jarjarbinks wrote:
Rsoultin: Do you think you could actually RNG lynch someone? I don't think you could lol Speak of the devil ^^ Did you have a hot date tonight I don't know about, bro? Probably not -amused- I'm sure there's a how-to online somewhere, though >> I could just google it xP Nope, totally 5th wheeled a weird after church double date thing tho. I should prob get one of those date things. LOL just make sure you don't actually read all of the rules first Or my role PM? xP Dude, if only you'd posted that in-thread; it could totally make the wtf awards ^^ So, opinions on any of the players/goings-on thus far? Trf's opening: slightly less crazy than last game I played with him in. No random vote the guy who might be inactive play. Wants to promote discussion. I could go either way cuz he "tried" to do that as scum. Shining- not much reaction there. What i'd typically expect I guess? You- I expect you to do what you do every game. You did it...lol Everyone else: I'm guessing they are gone for valentine's. I'd get worried if people aren't chiming in when I wake up tomorrow.
That's probably fair given the state of the game at the moment. No amazing insights from the numbers man :/
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On February 15 2015 15:22 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2015 15:14 rsoultin wrote:On February 15 2015 15:10 jarjarbinks wrote:
Rsoultin: Do you think you could actually RNG lynch someone? I don't think you could lol Speak of the devil ^^ Did you have a hot date tonight I don't know about, bro? Probably not -amused- I'm sure there's a how-to online somewhere, though >> I could just google it xP From my (limited) understanding of RNG lynch, the point isn't necessarily to actually lynch the target, but to see how people react to the push.
Heh, he was questioning my ability to actually do the randomization at all xP And I was poking fun at him for his google search in that game you were scum in.
And yeah, that would be the point. RNG or just close my eyes and point at the screen, with 5 players who haven't posted -shrugs-
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On February 15 2015 15:31 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2015 15:26 jarjarbinks wrote:On February 15 2015 15:20 rsoultin wrote:On February 15 2015 15:17 jarjarbinks wrote:On February 15 2015 15:14 rsoultin wrote:On February 15 2015 15:10 jarjarbinks wrote:
Rsoultin: Do you think you could actually RNG lynch someone? I don't think you could lol Speak of the devil ^^ Did you have a hot date tonight I don't know about, bro? Probably not -amused- I'm sure there's a how-to online somewhere, though >> I could just google it xP Nope, totally 5th wheeled a weird after church double date thing tho. I should prob get one of those date things. LOL just make sure you don't actually read all of the rules first Or my role PM? xP Dude, if only you'd posted that in-thread; it could totally make the wtf awards ^^ So, opinions on any of the players/goings-on thus far? Trf's opening: slightly less crazy than last game I played with him in. No random vote the guy who might be inactive play. Wants to promote discussion. I could go either way cuz he "tried" to do that as scum. Shining- not much reaction there. What i'd typically expect I guess? You- I expect you to do what you do every game. You did it...lol Everyone else: I'm guessing they are gone for valentine's. I'd get worried if people aren't chiming in when I wake up tomorrow. That's probably fair given the state of the game at the moment. No amazing insights from the numbers man :/
Yep. My insights=pile of crap lol
4 new people right?
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Yeah, I think I will give up on trying to understand the rsoultin-jarjar interactions... If there is something important, hopefully you will let me know.
I'll probably go to sleep in the near future, if not right now. Looking forward to when this game really gets started.
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The Bridges
Let’s make this interesting. Instead justifying one’s alignment with semantics, grammatical tendencies, and suspicious use of emoticons I’ll introduce a more systematic approach.
I have linked each player to one another (visualized in Appendix 1) using a randomly generated series of numbers shown in Appendix 3.
1) Going around in a circle each player “follows” another.
2) When a player gets lynched his or her follower must be voted for the next day’s lynch.
3) Each player has a once-per-game ability to unfollow a player and follow a different one, displacing the existing follower onto the one that got abandoned (since there cannot be 2 followers on the same target). Example in Appendix 2.
4) Once the next lynch has been “set” by a link, another player may use up their one-time ability to unlink him or her, at which point a standard vote takes place. The "doomed" player may not unlink him or herself.
5) If a player in the middle of a chain gets killed off at night, his or her follower and followed get connected.
6) I will post the updated map right after a player gets lynched and keep track of all everyone's re-linking ability counters.
FAQ
What does this accomplish?
The threat of a predetermined lynch coerces the players to be more invested into the game, choosing carefully the appropriate time to switch their, or someone else’s, link to steer the game to their advantage.
Won’t someone just outright ignore these crazy rules?
I can't stress this enough - that's the best part!
+ Show Spoiler [Appendix 1] +Each player "follows" another into the grave. So if Hier gets lynched, Trfel gets put up to the chopping block the next day cycle. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/V1KQEsN.png)
+ Show Spoiler [Appendix 2] +Here Hier has chosen to unfollow rsoultin, perhaps because rsoultin is getting flooded with votes to be lynched, and Hier doesn't want to be next. He chose The Shining either because he thinks The Shining is a sure town, or because he thinks jarjarbinks is a sure mafia. Again - this ability can be used ONCE during the game. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/8qppjCN.png)
+ Show Spoiler [Appendix 3] +First off, could I have manipulated the initial set-up? Yes, it is up to you to decide whether I did or not. To keep it to one image I generated a column of numbers corresponding to our position in the sign-up list in the OP. Starting from 1 (which was Trfel) I linked him to the first unique number that came up - 7 (Hier), linked him to the next unique number - 9 (rsoultin), and so on to make a full circle. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/VxiHCC5.png)
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Now that I've dropped this bomb I'm going to sleep. I'll be back later to see if anything came out of this.
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Came back from sleep to see this was on. Gonna share my thoughts on what on some posts that I find significant.
On February 15 2015 10:24 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2015 10:22 rsoultin wrote:
Since when are you so confident, Truffle? Remember last game where I opened confidently? I do. It was the game where I was mafia.
I really don't like Trfel's post, it is WIFOM as hell.
I guess it doesn't mean a lot this early into the game, but why would you post that?
Hier, I don't like your plan, but I agree that all participants should post as soon as possible
If everybody was willing to follow the plan, it could work, but I can't see either mafia or townies with strong reads willing to break the circle. Plus pressure vote is a good tool in my opinion and your plan forces you to cast a vote on a strong read, it's harder to pressure with only 1 switch.
Still, I'd like for more people to comment on your plan.
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By the way, I'm opened to any questions and willing to share my thoughts on demand. Just ask away.
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I don't like that plan, too complicated for a newbie game, and it's not like a methodology can force a superior outcome. The only achievable objective would be getting people to play more, but I think there's better ways to accomplish that.
So far my reads are mostly neutral, with a slight town read on trfle and a slight scum read on jarjar.
Also, I tend to shorten people's names, they'll still be recognizable, I just wanted people to know that.
How long should we give people to post? I figure I'll give people 12 hours from game start to post, which is enough time for a long sleep for anyone. Anyone who hasn't posted by then I'll mark as suspicious, and consider policy lynching.
But if people have suggestions for another wait time, by all means.
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Actually, I'm gonna elaborate on this.
Although I don't like Trfel's opening, he is clearly trying to start discussions so I can't scumread him for that. I'm just gonna keep this in mind for later, but not gonna vote for him day 1.
Shining posted a bit and disappeared, his last post was hinting towards "I'm gonna post more later", I expect you to do it. Until then nullread
Rsoultin discussed with Trfel, then with jarjar, she is asking questions, which what I'd expect from town.
jarjarbinks is sharing his insight on rsoultin's demand, but apart from that, not a lot of content. What do you think of Hier's plan ?
Hier only posted his plan, and I've given my thoughts on that.
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EBWOP on my first post.
If everybody was willing to follow the plan, it could work, but I can see either mafia or townies with strong reads willing to break the circle.
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Actually now that zlefin has posted, we have two inactives : Mimeux and Silverarte, get posting !
zlefin, can you explain your reads on Trfel and jarjar ?
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I can't explain my reads well, they're only quite mild reads at this point.
For Trfel, it's partly a tonal read, and partly that he's encouraging discussion and trying to get things going. So he's either town, or a well-played (and hence dangerous) scum.
For jarjar, it's just an impression, I can't really explain why.
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I actually liked the plan just because it was different and promoted discussion. I think it could also produce some insight on who mafia kills at night too. Say if mafia kills the next guy in the link, you might take away that mafia isn't worried about being on the chop block soon. Plus people's one time ability is something real, like votes, in comparison to words. If I use my one-time ability on rsoultin, it means a lot more than me defending her in discussion.
I guess I could see either mafia or strong town reads be more willing to break the cycle over more quiet town. They are probably going to lead the vote wagons and the discussions anyways?
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On February 15 2015 22:58 zlefin wrote:
I can't explain my reads well, they're only quite mild reads at this point.
For Trfel, it's partly a tonal read, and partly that he's encouraging discussion and trying to get things going. So he's either town, or a well-played (and hence dangerous) scum.
For jarjar, it's just an impression, I can't really explain why.
Could you use a quote or something to explain Trf's?
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On February 15 2015 19:51 ElyAs wrote:Came back from sleep to see this was on. Gonna share my thoughts on what on some posts that I find significant. Show nested quote +On February 15 2015 10:24 Trfel wrote:On February 15 2015 10:22 rsoultin wrote:
Since when are you so confident, Truffle? Remember last game where I opened confidently? I do. It was the game where I was mafia. [...] Hier, I don't like your plan, but I agree that all participants should post as soon as possible If everybody was willing to follow the plan, it could work, but I can't see either mafia or townies with strong reads willing to break the circle. Plus pressure vote is a good tool in my opinion and your plan forces you to cast a vote on a strong read, it's harder to pressure with only 1 switch. Still, I'd like for more people to comment on your plan.
Please be careful of what you say, typically only a mafia player would include themselves in a set of people that require "strong reads"; it's done for inclusion's sake because the mafia don't have "reads" - they can see everything as is.
Your rationale is flawed. People with strong reads are more willing to break the links, not less. Further, the number of switches you have has nothing to do with how susceptible you are to be pressured to a vote. With 2 people, out of only 9, dying every vote cycle having more than 1 switch trivializes the tool, which is what The Bridges is, and deprives each switch of its subtle meaning.
On February 15 2015 19:58 zlefin wrote:
I don't like that plan, too complicated for a newbie game, and it's not like a methodology can force a superior outcome. The only achievable objective would be getting people to play more, but I think there's better ways to accomplish that.
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Don't assume everyone here can't comprehend a simple set of rules. In a vacuum nothing can force a superior outcome, however passivity favours mafia.
Hit me, what "better ways" are you thinking of right now? In your experience, is the use of a smiley face signal scum for you? What about people analysing your analysis of that suspiciously sarcastic undertone some guy is utilizing? Can you analyse that analysis of your analysis and get a good read on the person?
We can go around in circles aimlessly. An engraved method forces people with a little too much knowledge to act the way people without said knowledge wouldn't.
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