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Silverarte
115 Posts
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The Shining
United States2406 Posts
Would I bus my partner D1 while no one but me is pressuring him? He's my top scumread with what's been put into the thread so far. And it might be WIFOM to think I'd light pressure him so that if he does ever flip scum, it'd buy me town cred. But if that was the case, I wouldn't have later commented on the fact that no one else commented on my Zfelin case. I forced it. Scum Shining would just leave it be and if he does flip, I'd be able to go "oh look I called that D1." So I'm now waiting on Hiers defense, JJbs top scumread and Ely to swing by with a little more than that. I'm assuming you (ElyAs) dozing off now means you'll revisit the RSo Hier exchange with fresh eyes in the morning? BEFORE EoD? For what its worth, Ely's last post was just a summary of the Hier Rso exchange, a parrot of my questioning Hiers lack of other leads, and an excuse for not giving us more. Trfel, I really truly hate walls of text. I saw you do it as scum and so did I. I'd scum you for that entire post if I didn't actually read it lmao. And I made that point in the hopes that it would inspire you to do so, Trfel, so I'm glad you obliged. You can see how I was setting it up to see if you were really going to catch up or afk it. And eh, in a game where everyone is on opposite ends of the activity spectrum(very actively posting or lurking along, no mid ground), I feel its my best shot. Policy lynch talk and weak reads and no other talk of lynches shows a disinterest...I know I'd be a bit disinterested if I rolled scum in a newbie game. Oh wait, I did. And I was. Last game. Lol. | ||
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The Shining
United States2406 Posts
Shining posts wall of text. Lmao I'm scum reading myself gg | ||
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The Shining
United States2406 Posts
I guess the first part of my last post doesn't apply but you can still answer, I'd like that. | ||
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The Shining
United States2406 Posts
Vote Zlefin That's in voting thread. I'll be here at EOD, I'm off of work tomorrow and I don't like the lack of response. Could be inactivity, IRL stuff or just lurking but...my vote is where it is at. | ||
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jarjarbinks
569 Posts
Ya the whole scumreading your partner day 1 thing is kinda a toss up. Not smart, but I could see someone doing it just because they think as scum you wouldn't do it. WIFOM or whatever. But after rereading your filter in context, I really like your posts after the beginning. You are scumhunting and stuff. I did defend Hier before, I don't think he's actually scumhunted (although he put the impression on me that he wasn't into diving through language to get reads). Ely has asked some questions and appears to be scumhunting a little bit in my mind. More than others at least. Not on my top scumlist. | ||
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Hier
2391 Posts
I have provided my prime scum read with justification. Of course rsoultin may just not be very good at the game, which is fine, but I’ll stand by my claim. The Shining’s scum read on zlefin isn’t without rationale, but I suspect the second mafia player to be one of the two inactive players. I do not have a solid town read, in fact it doesn’t make sense to, and stating you are neutral about that guy and that guy isn’t productive. | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On February 16 2015 12:11 The Shining wrote: ...shining says he hates walls of text. Shining posts wall of text. Lmao I'm scum reading myself gg Hate to break it to you, my playstyle is walls of text. Though in my last several games, I've definitely fallen too far to the "unreadable wall of text" side. I can show you plenty of horrid "wall of text" posts that I have made as town, and compared to them, this last post I made was nothing at all. My stance on Hier was actually taken quite carefully. Before I decide to vote him or let him slide for the moment, I want to see his thoughts on the events in the thread since he last left, particularly avoiding the validity or lack thereof of the Bridges method. I guess he would be my biggest scumread at the moment, since I am too lazy to read filters and make my own scumread (bad Trfel). ElyAs will probably be my first filter dive. I may not be here for End of Day... ugh. | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On February 16 2015 12:23 Hier wrote: I was excited seeing so many new posts, turns out it was for naught. A lot of people are requesting that I provide further reads. I am going to point out that as off right now ElyAs, zlefin, jarjarbinks, and Trfel have not a single scum read with justification between them. Instead what we have from them is a mass of neutral to townish reads that they aren’t willing to commit to, opting to wait for more posts from other people by asking for their reads. I have provided my prime scum read with justification. Of course rsoultin may just not be very good at the game, which is fine, but I’ll stand by my claim. The Shining’s scum read on zlefin isn’t without rationale, but I suspect the second mafia player to be one of the two inactive players. I do not have a solid town read, in fact it doesn’t make sense to, and stating you are neutral about that guy and that guy isn’t productive. OMGUS sanity check; am I the only one who thinks this looks like drivel? | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On February 16 2015 12:23 Hier wrote: I was excited seeing so many new posts, turns out it was for naught. A lot of people are requesting that I provide further reads. I am going to point out that as off right now ElyAs, zlefin, jarjarbinks, and Trfel have not a single scum read with justification between them. Instead what we have from them is a mass of neutral to townish reads that they aren’t willing to commit to, opting to wait for more posts from other people by asking for their reads. I have provided my prime scum read with justification. Of course rsoultin may just not be very good at the game, which is fine, but I’ll stand by my claim. The Shining’s scum read on zlefin isn’t without rationale, but I suspect the second mafia player to be one of the two inactive players. I do not have a solid town read, in fact it doesn’t make sense to, and stating you are neutral about that guy and that guy isn’t productive. Hier, if you are in fact town, this is not how you should be playing. I don't really want to lynch you at the moment, but if you keep posting like this, that could change very quickly. Just because some people haven't given scumreads yet doesn't mean that that is acceptable. | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On February 16 2015 07:08 Hier wrote: rsoultin: In 3 separate posts you have described your reads to be null towards people that have posted, and despite you not liking the Bridges method, which is fine, said that it is something a town player may suggest thinking it’s good. Later, after someone mentioned they weren't a fan of my model, you've gone to suggest that I've done nothing to show that I care about finding scum, all the while you proclaim your reads are null and just ask what other players’ reads are. That is the way mafia players probe the scene to start a bandwagon. Why else, out of the blue, without any further analysis, would you vote me to be lynched with the phrase “Tell me why I’m wrong, or get onboard.”? No, it is your job to tell everyone the reasons behind your vote, not to tell everyone to get onboard. Okay, in the interest of fairness, if you genuinely believe each of these claims, I can understand your scumread. So I'm going to ask you to actually quote the posts I made that led you to the three bolded conclusions. Preferably in context, because if you misrepresent me I do very much have a tendency to get tunneled xP Once you've done so, I'll answer the last bit. | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On February 16 2015 12:54 Trfel wrote: Rsoultin, are you suspicious of anyone other than Hier? I've already answered this, Trfel, lol. I'm getting more and more of a scum feel from Hier...though I do want to know what it is about Elyas' posting that JJB likes. He's making very little impact on me even after a second read-through. Kind of difficult to get any read on the two outliers. I have reasons to townread or at least put slight town leans on everyone but: Hier Elyas Silver Mime!replacement right now, so those would be the ones I'd lynch out of, all things remaining equal. Hier could still change my mind, but his reluctance to actually engage with not just me, but most of the rest of the thread, isn't sitting well. | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On February 16 2015 13:10 rsoultin wrote: I've already answered this, Trfel, lol. I'm getting more and more of a scum feel from Hier...though I do want to know what it is about Elyas' posting that JJB likes. He's making very little impact on me even after a second read-through. Kind of difficult to get any read on the two outliers. I have reasons to townread or at least put slight town leans on everyone but: Hier Elyas Silver Mime!replacement right now, so those would be the ones I'd lynch out of, all things remaining equal. Hier could still change my mind, but his reluctance to actually engage with not just me, but most of the rest of the thread, isn't sitting well. Hm, that's ironic, I just finished reading ElyAs's filter and deciding that I don't want to lynch him at the moment. I still feel that the events of the later portion of today (24 hour day, not mafia day) have been much more valuable then the preceding events. Thus, people's posting recently and in the future is probably much more important than posts before then. So I could see myself lynching ElyAs, zlefin, or Hier, depending on how they play over the next 18 hours or so. | ||
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jarjarbinks
569 Posts
On February 16 2015 07:58 rsoultin wrote: Didn't you say that you'd just made this method up? And again, you're focusing on the model and not what I'm asking you for. @Trfel - I am not in favor of Bridges. Clearly. Even if Hier would be the next "auto-lynch" and I'd laugh my ass off if he flips scum, caught in his own mechanism  Hier, I know a lot of people have been asking you questions. Can you answer this one? Should be easy enough? | ||
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jarjarbinks
569 Posts
On February 16 2015 13:10 rsoultin wrote: I've already answered this, Trfel, lol. I'm getting more and more of a scum feel from Hier...though I do want to know what it is about Elyas' posting that JJB likes. He's making very little impact on me even after a second read-through. Kind of difficult to get any read on the two outliers. I have reasons to townread or at least put slight town leans on everyone but: Hier Elyas Silver Mime!replacement right now, so those would be the ones I'd lynch out of, all things remaining equal. Hier could still change my mind, but his reluctance to actually engage with not just me, but most of the rest of the thread, isn't sitting well. Your right, not too much impact. But he did scumread me and followed up with questions. He had a reasoning to read me that way as well if I remember right. Plus he did ask 2 other questions on things that didn't make sense to him. Not a lot, but given how many posts he's made it is good enough to give him BOD right now. | ||
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Silverarte
115 Posts
On February 16 2015 04:03 rsoultin wrote: Okay, I'll take the plunge ^^ ##vote: Hier Tell me why I'm wrong, or get onboard. That goes for everyone lol. I read the RNG posts and Hier's issues, so I decided to tackle this. The problem is, I really can't say why Hier shouldn't be here. There was a huge focus previously on his (? ...sorry, always so hard to know genders on games like this! No offense meant) idea for how a game should be. It became a huge focus and while it got discussion going, it didn't What bothers me most here is that you're being pushed for those reads. While it's a newbie game, those reads aren't coming easy. Moreso, why are you pushing so hard for special mechanics over playing the game? What does this gain you? I'd say one good point in your favor was Shining's point on all of this in that you're putting forth a lot of effort. However, I argue that really? That effort is for Bridges, not for actually participating with questions from others. Your last post (assuming you haven't posted by the time I pop this up) bothers me a great deal. On February 16 2015 10:08 ElyAs wrote: I'm actually having trouble analyzing the rsoultin - Hier exchange. It's late in my timezone and i'm starting to doze off. First impression is that Hier is a misguided town, but i'm not convinced on that read, because he has mainly done two things : 1)Defend his Bridges plan. 2)Attack rsoultin. Hier, can you really not share your reads, even if they are not complete ? Any insight can be useful at this point in the game. Sums that up nicely I think. Oh, side note. Shining: I'm really reading null where Zlefin is at this moment. For a D1 lynch, I'm hesitant. Trfel: Quick note? Bridges method. From what I'm understanding about it (and my answer is late I admit) I'd rather not.  I'm still trying to get a good grip on this game as it's normally played. TLDR version: Hier, why is it only on page 13 you offer something in the ways of scum reads when you've been prodded several times? I can't understand this reluctance with giving reads. Isn't that something we're supposed to do? -Bridges is really not a good idea. -Rsoultin, yes that looked like drivel to me. -AND once again...happy Valentines everyone! (Belatedly. I seriously enjoy holidays) | ||
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Silverarte
115 Posts
One question is what does BOD mean? (This is purely because I honestly don't know what this means). Two, impact or not, there's still a lot of reluctance in direct participation going on. This is bothersome. (Also, post to come with my work schedule and times I'll be around for you guys. =P) | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On February 16 2015 13:48 Silverarte wrote: Curses Jarjar! You and this posting before others do thing! XD One question is what does BOD mean? (This is purely because I honestly don't know what this means). Two, impact or not, there's still a lot of reluctance in direct participation going on. This is bothersome. (Also, post to come with my work schedule and times I'll be around for you guys. =P) BOD is benefit of the doubt. I guess, Silverarte, I found some parts of your post kind of hard to understand. Like the part where you stopped your sentence in the middle. I was interested in hearing what you wanted to say there.... | ||
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Silverarte
115 Posts
I work four days a week, ten hour shifts now. I'm also currently helping with work on a house, but that'll be changing here in a few days. I basically work: Monday, Thurs, Fri and Sat: 7:30-6:30 (MST). I believe that's 14:30 GMT to 1:30 GMT. I think that's about right. Now, I'll be around mostly in the evenings (later evenings) so if you have questions, please feel free to ask and I'll do my best to answer them if I miss you being around. I'll do what I did last time and place votes before I go to work and if I can duck in during lunches, I'll do so. I'll try my best! (I'm pretty excited to see people about during the evening time though. This is a large contrast to my previous game. =D) | ||
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