Newbie Mini Mafia LXI - Page 14

On February 16 2015 13:57 Silverarte wrote:
Oh shoot Trfel. Did I do that? I thought I fixed that. Give me just a moment and I'll fix that issue. Sorry about that!

On February 16 2015 07:50 Hier wrote:
Trfel:
It only takes one other player to declare his or her support for the model to get people to support its use. I know how Bridges works and how to use it to get a town victory. I will always abide by its rules, but if you later decide it's not worth it by all means abandon it.

On February 16 2015 07:58 Hier wrote:
Trfel:
As as I said, if you have the slightest town read on me, support the model. This will entice others to join.

On February 16 2015 14:10 Silverarte wrote:
I did see your previous post on that. I wasn't sure if that had changed, so I did partly want to know that. But I'd love your thoughts on Hier's opening and after.

On February 16 2015 08:04 ElyAs wrote:


You're right, I was overly interpreting your post. I red "When posts pick up I'll be there" for no reason...

I liked the push as a pressure tool, and it made Hier react, so it had its effect. Still don't know how to interpret his counter vote, if it's OMGUS or something else. Gonna analyze and share my thoughts.

On February 16 2015 14:25 Trfel wrote:
Rsoultin, please forgive me if I missed it, it's late here and I'm about to go to sleep and I'm too lazy to double check.....

but why are you townreading The Shining? (not to disagree, but because I want to know)

On February 16 2015 14:28 rsoultin wrote:


I didn't specify, so it's cool. I agree with JJB in that he's active and probing, though I'm not sure I agree with Shining on Zel...dude I can't remember people's names lol. To be honest, though, it's just a town lean, cause I'm still wary of him fooling me last game I played with him xP He just seems invested in the game this time.

On February 16 2015 07:32 The Shining wrote:
Zlefin has a couple of posts that lead nowhere and weak and unexplained reads. Mentions WIFOM, game voting rules, some parroting. Says Hier and RSo could both be town or both be scum but wont commit to his reads. Seems to be all for policy lynching inactives when there were only 2. How likely is it both scum members are inactive? Likely my leading candidate for a shot at D1 scum lynch.

On February 16 2015 12:11 The Shining wrote:
JJB if you're most worried at first glance about Zf and myself, ask yourself this:

Would I bus my partner D1 while no one but me is pressuring him? He's my top scumread with what's been put into the thread so far. And it might be WIFOM to think I'd light pressure him so that if he does ever flip scum, it'd buy me town cred. But if that was the case, I wouldn't have later commented on the fact that no one else commented on my Zfelin case. I forced it. Scum Shining would just leave it be and if he does flip, I'd be able to go "oh look I called that D1."

So I'm now waiting on Hiers defense, JJbs top scumread and Ely to swing by with a little more than that. I'm assuming you (ElyAs) dozing off now means you'll revisit the RSo Hier exchange with fresh eyes in the morning? BEFORE EoD?

For what its worth, Ely's last post was just a summary of the Hier Rso exchange, a parrot of my questioning Hiers lack of other leads, and an excuse for not giving us more.

Trfel, I really truly hate walls of text. I saw you do it as scum and so did I. I'd scum you for that entire post if I didn't actually read it lmao. And I made that point in the hopes that it would inspire you to do so, Trfel, so I'm glad you obliged. You can see how I was setting it up to see if you were really going to catch up or afk it. And eh, in a game where everyone is on opposite ends of the activity spectrum(very actively posting or lurking along, no mid ground), I feel its my best shot. Policy lynch talk and weak reads and no other talk of lynches shows a disinterest...I know I'd be a bit disinterested if I rolled scum in a newbie game.

Oh wait, I did. And I was. Last game. Lol.

On February 16 2015 12:51 rsoultin wrote:


Okay, in the interest of fairness, if you genuinely believe each of these claims, I can understand your scumread. So I'm going to ask you to actually quote the posts I made that led you to the three bolded conclusions. Preferably in context, because if you misrepresent me I do very much have a tendency to get tunneled xP

Once you've done so, I'll answer the last bit.

On February 16 2015 13:31 jarjarbinks wrote:


Hier, I know a lot of people have been asking you questions. Can you answer this one? Should be easy enough?

On February 16 2015 14:47 Hier wrote:

Alright. You went back to my original accusation, to which you have already responded, and are now demanding further explanation when, quite literally, nobody else is asking for it. People have already read my statement and have made up their minds, whatever those may be. You are creating artificial content by searching for an excuse to re-state your innocence, and projecting the appearance of scum hunting at the same time. That would create drivel. You have not been the centre of discussion for several pages, and nobody has been tunnelling you, much less me. Right now it looks like the one doing the tunnelling is you. Look, for now my vote stays where it is. If you post something that changes my mind or a more obvious scum target comes up I promise I will be the first one to let you know. For now let me focus on somebody else, instead of going through your filter again.


I've already answered this, and my answer isn't changing. Yes, as the game began.

As of right now I do not think Trfel or jarjarbinks are scum, and thus have no intention of voting for them.

On February 16 2015 14:47 Trfel wrote:

Allow me to start this by saying that I know basically nothing about The Shining's meta...

Upon twice rereading The Shining's filter, I'm slowly becoming more inclined to scumread him. I guess I'm feeling half asleep, so maybe it isn't wise to post this now, but eh...

I don't really like why he is immediately so suspicious of me. Just because I rolled scum in the last game he played? It just doesn't make sense, regardless of his alignment. I also feel that her read on rsoultin is rather weak. Rsoultin has (despite her statements to the contrary) shown that she has a capable scum game, so early game questioning and poking is entirely to be expected from her and I do not believe it is alignment indicative. Looking for a better reason. Then there is the townread on Hier for doing something unique early in the game, and I've already stated that I don't find it that alignment indicative.

From there, The Shining starts a small push on zlefin.
This just feels weak. Initially I felt that The Shining was actively making a read, just one that I disagreed with, but now I'm not so sure. I'm thinking that The Shining is better than this case. The things that are wrong with it:

• Mentioning WIFOM, voting rules, and parroting is in no way scum behavior. Same with policy lynching (which ironically also exists in The Shining's filter). These things are in nature not alignment indicative.
  
• He gave reasonable commitment to his reads on rsoultin and Hier for this point in the game. I don't see his self-acknowledged doubt as scummy, more like an inexperienced and therefore unsure townie.
  
• I didn't get the impression that zlefin is only going to policy lynch from reading his filter. I'm not sure where The Shining is getting this from, but I'm not convinced.

The first part of this post is rather defensive. Even ignoring the fact that the suspicion answered in this post was already retracted, The Shining clearly doesn't want to be scumread. Obviously town also wants to be townread, but it still seems a bit strange. And I don't understand the last paragraph at all, it makes no sense. Is The Shining scumreading me or not, and why?

I guess this makes me want to add The Shining to my pool of "could potentially lynch on Day 1" people. Anyone care to give me a sanity check?

On February 16 2015 14:53 Hier wrote:
By the way, for the sake of pronoun consistency, as I understand it, rsoultin, The Shining, and Mimeux are women, and the rest are men. Is that right? Apologies if I am making a mistake.

On February 16 2015 14:54 rsoultin wrote:


Shining is male. It's like "The Shining" with Jack Nicholson. Not relevant, but lol, I'm sure he's tired of being called a woman ^^

On February 16 2015 14:54 rsoultin wrote:


Shining is male. It's like "The Shining" with Jack Nicholson. Not relevant, but lol, I'm sure he's tired of being called a woman ^^

On February 16 2015 14:56 Hier wrote:

Ok. I just noticed Trfel refer to him as "her".