EPTHonestly, there is nothing really against me being mafia other than that my posts have lacked lately, but give some hard evidence on how I am mafia. What have I done that is NOT TOWN? Because, I seriously can't find anything!
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27ninjabunnies
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Honestly, there is nothing really against me being mafia other than that my posts have lacked lately, but give some hard evidence on how I am mafia. What have I done that is NOT TOWN? Because, I seriously can't find anything! | ||
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Your biggest thing on me is that I began posting less. I've already stated reasons for that. And just because I didn't get shot, doesnt mean anything. Jailkeeper was on me 2 nights in a row, which I was impossible to get shot then, therefore mafia placed their shots elsewhere. As for the other nights, I'm not sure why they didn't kill me. I don't know, because I AM NOT MAFIA. The fact that mafia is pushing on me now, is because they think im an easy ml. IM NOT SO GET OFF OF ME. I believe there is benefit talking in the night, as I stated before. You can get reads off of people who are likely to die in the night. This is super beneficial for town. The only thing I see here is that eden was all like, "Yeah me too, I'm not gonna say anything in the night either." I don't see how that is beneficial to finding mafia. And your reasons on Eden are pointless as well. I honestly think you and Eden are both just pulling nothing out of a magical hat that doesn't even work. I AM TOWN, you need to reconsider this before you let mafia win. This is ridiculous. | ||
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Why the hell am I being pushed on now? | ||
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I swear whichever one of you is town, needs to get off of me. | ||
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That is ridiculous. Do you know how to play mafia?! Of course I'm going to freak out. I AM TOWN. I don't want to get voted on. Sure we have 24 hours (I think?), but the earlier I prove that I am town, the earlier we can lynch the actual REAL MAFIA. So I don't see how my reacting is disproportionate as you say. I am in danger of being lynched. AS TOWN. And yes, I do plan on being around, so if there are any questions, please ask. But I don't see any of you actually doing something to find the real mafia. All I see is each of you placing your vote on me, then leaving. Therefore I am bringing up points, I am trying to point out inconsistencies and reads, because this IS A ML. For one. There's your quote on how you piggy backed off of Epishade saying you weren't going to talk in the night. On May 14 2014 08:35 Epishade wrote: I think I'd rather wait until the next day to say what's on my mind guys. I'd rather not give the mafia any reason to target anyone in particular through anything I say. If I die in the night, so be it. I think you guys can figure this out then. On May 14 2014 21:08 Eden1892 wrote: Seconding Epishade here. I think it's pretty obvious where my views are anyway, and while I normally support nighttalking I think in this case it's just going to create WIFOM without actually being illuminating. Also, multiple times where dravernor scumreads me. On April 29 2014 14:18 dravernor wrote: I think we've been off to a pretty aggressive start already tbh. I now think I am going to be useless at this game because everyone and no-one looks scummy. I think the top two suspects here in my eyes are Epishade and 27ninjabunnies as they have been pressing and deflecting the most for what looks like an early lynch. But, the game is still young and I don't really know many of you yet, so I could be reading wrong completely. Then he calls me town but keeps is suspicion on epishade. Then says im back on his scum probably, and fences eden On May 03 2014 03:11 dravernor wrote: Hello everyone I'm sorry I haven't been around recently. I have been having pretty bad (and unexpected) time management + internet access issues, which is why I haven't really had a chance to post much. I have a lot to catch up on it seems, but I am somewhat surprised that after all the heavy mtamburini talk that Sweetfrost got lynched in the end. Tbh Sweetfrost was never very high up on my list of possible scum, and that was probably because I ddin't get enough out of his posts to make a proper read. In short I am still confused as to why he seemed more suspicious than mtamburini, Yell0w or Epishade. I also noticed I was the only one who voted Epishade. I understandably didn't make a very strong case against him, as I was more contributing to other people's cases than making my own specific case, but I still think he is quite shady (i swear no pun was intended) and none of you seem to think so. Amiko, what are your thoughts on him? You seem to be trying to analyze people the most deeply, so I am interested to hear about why you don't consider him a likely suspect. Am I missing a few posts? It is possible I am given that I have been afk so much. Is this content still relevant? Are these still your current reads on these two players? What does everyone think of ahswtini at the moment? I think he made some good points, but I also think he shouldn't have voted Meat because he wasn't around to defend himself or contribute. Sure he hasn't been a great contributer so far, but we need to give him a chance. Why was ahswtini so desperate to have him lynched day 1? I don't see him having anything to hide by voting Meat, that wouldn't make sense, right? Also, bunnies is coming across as so incredibly town that I am not sure it is genuine. Yes, this is a jump back on my previous decision about her, but only because she has been unfaltering recently to a degree that I am wondering if she is just REALLY good at blending in? Amiko too. No one seems to have questioned him much recently. Everyone just accepts the two of them as straight cut town. I don't think you're mafia just yet, but you also seem too on-the-ball to be vanilla town. You seem concerned about appearing as town too, which is what i read off of your constant posts regarding reads on people, but I do like that Amiko regularly contributes his thoughts (over sqrt who seems to post a lot but not say much) so much that is is possible for the rest of us to gain some perspective. However, I can't be sure that you're not feeding us bullshit. And yes, I did read this post and I do think it is very helpful that you have been helping so much with opinions and reads. I dunno though, maybe it comes across as you trying too hard? I am also suspicious because from what I am picking up, you seem to have the most influence here, more than our self-proclaimed leader and vigi, mtamburini. @all: Everyone looks up to Amiko and Eden and their reads. Is it good to be reliant on these two people? How do you know you can trust their reads? I'll admit that I am very persuaded by Eden's argument for tamb being sk, and I dislike being so easily persuaded. And then here + Show Spoiler + On May 05 2014 03:23 dravernor wrote: Okay, right, I am here. I made a super long post a few hours ago, but the electricity cut and my post was eaten. The joys of living in a third world country. So both bunnies and tamb got roleblocked? Interesting. I mean, tamb wasn't very subtle about having a role, assuming he has one. Pretty clear target for anyone wanting to roleblock him. Otherwise it could all just be a clever ruse to draw us off his scent. In this scenario, let us assume tamb is actually vigi, like he claimed. Could bunnies be sk if she isn't mafia herself? I mean, she was so towny that we all just went with her, because she was providing so much information. Her, Amiko and Eden are our primary read sources this game, and one of them is already gone. I am still really lost with how to read everyone. Yell0w too, and from the looks of it ritoky feels the same way: This is exactly how I feel about him too. I don't really have any further contribution to that. sqrt also seems to have been gathering more suspicion from all of us too. Right from day 1 I had a weird feeling about him, and probably because of his posting style. There hasn't really been much development, and I am still left in the dark on most of the people here. dfs seems pretty town to me, also a bit quiet, but I don't disagree with his reads. ritoky also looks town to me, even though he hasn't brought any massive game changing reads or contributions, but he hasn't done anything overtly suspicious. I'm not sure what to think of tamb; ofc this is mostly because of what other people have already suspected of him - this hasn't changed, nor have my views on Epishade. ahswtini and MM1 have been laying it low this game, but I am not entirely convinced they're mafia. They may look suspicious but they haven't done enough to arouse my interest as possible mafia just yet. I think my top scumreads at the moment are Epishade and sqrt. I am on the fence with bunnies (and Yell0w -still) at the moment, her coming out and claiming she has a role all of a sudden and that she was blocked doesn't sound quite right to me. I already expressed suspicion of her in the beginning, withdrew it, and now it is building again. Is it possible she is mafia and shot to kill one of us, but someone roleblocked her? And if there is a sk (who isn't tamb), they were the one who possibly killed Amiko? I don't really know if that can happen in this game. If so, whoever roleblocked bunnies would surely have presented a case against her as to why she is mafia, and surely would have voted to lynch her? Thus far there has not been any substantial case claiming her to be mafia. So I guess by that reasoning, it makes sense that bunnies is town. It also doesn't make sense that a sk would kill Amiko on N1 since he was providing the most information. Unless the sk knew he was onto something and had something to hide? Is it possible that tamb IS infact sk and shot Amiko, then claimed to be gunning for Yell0w? A pretty clever ploy if you ask me. Anyway, it is getting pretty close to voting time and I am still not sure whether to vote for Epishade or sqrt, or the other maybe candidates. Eden is someone I have also considered, but I am not more than 50% convinced he is mafia, and since he is bringing info to us I am unwilling for him to go just yet in the scenario we lose another useful townie. I am well aware I am somewhat useless in contributing new information; it is not one of my strong points, but I at least explain my reasoning behind my thoughts and expand a bit on them. @Yell0w my vote against Epishade was based on other people's thoughts on him previously, and then my small section saying why I agreed with them, but I seemed to be the only one pushing to lynch him. I was then afk for a long time due to electricity and internet issues and came back to find I was the only one who voted him. Yes, it does look suspicious, but I suppose I shouldn't have expected any less after making a post barely pushing him. I still don't have a strong case, based on the fact that I find it very difficult to determine what does and doesn't look scummy in a forum based game. I also somehow thought playing mafia would be less time consuming than it really is. @everyone: Just consider my possible scenario in which bunnies is a non town role and tamb is sk after all. My 'most likely' scum list right now, as I said above : Epishade and/or sqrt. On the fence : bunnies, tamb, Yell0w, maaaaybe Eden Don't have much of an opinion on yet, but probably town: ritoky, Meat, dfs, ahswtini | ||
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27ninjabunnies
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If you havve any reasons as to why I am scum, why aren't either of you questioning me? Questioning my reads? Where I placed my votes? No all you are doing is voting, and saying Epishade "seems" more town than I am. You should be trying to find mafia here, like I am actually doing. I've given reads, I have stated why I think this person is scum over this person. I HAVE REEVALUATED my reads over nd over, and posted out inconsistencies. I reevaluated on yell0w and tamburini (after his vigi claim). If I was mafia, I could have easily pushed lynches on both of them. I've also reevaluated my reads on both of you. Something mafia doesn't usually do. Anything else you want to push on me as scum for? I got all night. Let's go. | ||
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On May 16 2014 08:40 Epishade wrote: I was busy the past hour and a half and I planned on also bringing up the Drav reading Bunny as scum as incorrect, but Eden already did so. I disagree with Eden about Bunny freaking out disproportionately. I don't think that indicates a caught mafia. She has a right to be freaked out about being lynched, but mafia or town regardless would (or rather, should) have the same reaction. If anything that just means she's passionate about the game. I wouldn't indicate that as a particular alignment trait. And Bunny, I'm sorry, but continuously telling us that you're town doesn't help. Mafia would be saying exactly the same thing in your situation. The only thing I can do is look at the evidence for you and Eden. And it doesn't point in your favor. If Eden is in fact mafia and we lose, I know I'll have looked at all the evidence and came to my best decision I could have made with what I found. I still don't see how it doesn't point in my favor. I have multiple CONFIRMED TOWN reading me as town. One of them, being tamburini, saying NEVER lynch me this game. The highest point each of you have on me is that 1, my posts have been lacking towards the end of the game, which I've already pointed out reasons for, and 2, that scum read me as town. Well guess what, SO DID THE ENTIRE TOWN. Also, name a place where my reads havent been conistant or have had back up to? I voted dravernor, and told him/her to speak, in which dravernor did nothing to prove otherwise he was town. So I kept my vote on him. Sure, I didn't give an elaborate reading on her for the lack of her posting. She only had 2 pages of filter!!! And dfs only had 3! I voted on both mafia. Why would I buss in that instance, lose 2 mafia partners, when I could have jumped on the yell0w bw? Or meat bw? When those votes were going through. If I was mafia, we COULD HAVE WON by now if I had placed my votes elsewhere. But n, instead i vote off 2 of my mafia partners? Please. I LED on 1 mafia, and voted the other. | ||
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On May 16 2014 08:40 Epishade wrote: I was busy the past hour and a half and I planned on also bringing up the Drav reading Bunny as scum as incorrect, but Eden already did so. I disagree with Eden about Bunny freaking out disproportionately. I don't think that indicates a caught mafia. She has a right to be freaked out about being lynched, but mafia or town regardless would (or rather, should) have the same reaction. If anything that just means she's passionate about the game. I wouldn't indicate that as a particular alignment trait. And Bunny, I'm sorry, but continuously telling us that you're town doesn't help. Mafia would be saying exactly the same thing in your situation. The only thing I can do is look at the evidence for you and Eden. And it doesn't point in your favor. If Eden is in fact mafia and we lose, I know I'll have looked at all the evidence and came to my best decision I could have made with what I found. Also, look at my post on the previous page. I pointed out multiple posts, over multiple days, where Drav had either fenced me or scum read me, then changed his read. All over a couple of days. So you are both wrong. | ||
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Also, tbh, I forgotten days are 48 hours and not 24 hours until someone pointed it out, so you may think that my defense is too defensive for right now, but I told you why I am getting defensive. Because i am town, and we need to find the actual mafia here. | ||
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On May 16 2014 09:15 Eden1892 wrote: RE: dravernor's reads, here are some handy links. - First post D1, scumreads Epishade and bunnies. - Later on D1, scumreads me for moving votes around. - Later on D1, bunnies flips to top townread. Epishade still scummy. Indecisive about me. - Votes Epishade. Last D1 post. - Epishade top scum read, no comment of note on me, has bunnies as "so town" that she's worried about it being genuine. - Epishade still top scum read, fence-sitting about me and bunnies - Guess what she said about Epishade lol. she's off the fence about bunnies, calling bunnies town. Thinks I might be scum - Boner for Epishade confirmed, still thinks bunnies is town, still thinks I'm bad All of these back up my initial analysis at the top of p67. The conclusion -- that bunnies is mafia -- remains. This doesnt point to me being mafia. This just points to that if I died in the night and flipped town, dravernor might have some credibility and not get lynched. Notice how he said "thinks" the entire time, but never had a legit scum read on you. She basically ignored you AND dfs in her reads. | ||
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But it doesn't matter. Mafia can bus mafia. Mafia can also read mafia as town. I'm just pointing out that your claim that because drav was reading me as town, it means I am mafia | ||
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Notice I edited that post. Wow. | ||
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On May 16 2014 09:36 Eden1892 wrote: Yell0w dying doesn't point to anything concrete about who's mafia. This is just idle speculation. How would the final mafia know that Yell0w and I would stick on each other? It'd be a huge gamble to assume that we couldn't step back and rethink things. I think Yell0w got shot because no one was willing to lynch him for several days leading up to this final day. At LYLO you want to keep the lynchable people around to maximize your options. Beyond that it's just speculation. I already explained how it does on p67, you're just insisting that it doesn't without refuting the logic behind it. You're wrong about dfs -- between those links and my analysis it should be clear how. No bdy was willing to lynch me for several days either. And more people were reading me as town than they were yell0w. So, why didn't I die then? And don't even think about saying its because im mafia. Because im not. I HAVE GIVEN LOGIC.. Are you serious? | ||
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On May 16 2014 09:40 Eden1892 wrote: Not at all! If she were fake claiming, she'd have to go carefully comb through her stated reads on certain days and make sure that all of her votes, reads, etc. are consistent with whatever scans she chose. Imagine she claimed normal cop instead of parity cop, and said she had a guilty on me and innocent on you. We can look at her actions this turn -- shifting back and forth between the two of us, unsure who's scum -- and know she's lying. There may not have been a counterclaim, but her scans still have to make sense with what she's said. I'd carefully reread her filter for any reads on the alleged scanned players and see if they make sense. I don't know why ya'll are going back and forth on me being parity cop, when I'm not parity cop. Is there a point to this? | ||
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On May 16 2014 09:42 Epishade wrote: I already looked at this before. Yes, well I agree with scenerio 1. It's a good scenerio. So are 2 and 3, but Im not mafia so thats null. Just because you read it before, does not mean I cannot bring it up again. What is your point? | ||
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So epishade willing to take his vote off a reconsider things makes me think he is more town than eden. So I'm pretty sure I'm keeping my vote where it is at, but I will be posting more. I'm going to go through the filter on Eden, and see if there is anything I can find, I'll post in the morning. Right now, im off to bed, have an 8 hour drive tomorrow, but I'll be posting from my phone. If either f you have any questions, ask away. | ||
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And yes, it is sound logic. The fact that epishade is willing to take his vote off of me and reconsider you as a possibility speaks volume for his alignment. If he was mafia there, he could easily just push for a mislynch on me, much like you are doing at this moment. And yes, I'm reading through your filter now (and updating all this from my phone, so it might take a bit longer to type everything I need to say.) I wish I knew exactly how much time we had so I can prove I'm not mafia, and you are. | ||
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- my concern on your play is that although you have developed some players as potential scumreads, I don't see you strongly pushing on those players yet. However, you've been active in the game, and responsive. So, you are not a lynch for me day 1. That said, some of your reads are still weird to me.
