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Netherlands6185 Posts
Okay, right, I am here. I made a super long post a few hours ago, but the electricity cut and my post was eaten. The joys of living in a third world country.
So both bunnies and tamb got roleblocked? Interesting. I mean, tamb wasn't very subtle about having a role, assuming he has one. Pretty clear target for anyone wanting to roleblock him. Otherwise it could all just be a clever ruse to draw us off his scent. In this scenario, let us assume tamb is actually vigi, like he claimed. Could bunnies be sk if she isn't mafia herself? I mean, she was so towny that we all just went with her, because she was providing so much information. Her, Amiko and Eden are our primary read sources this game, and one of them is already gone.
I am still really lost with how to read everyone. Yell0w too, and from the looks of it ritoky feels the same way:
Roller coaster: - yell0w - Null - basically for me fluctuates from town to mafia with every post. some I read and it is like, you're mafia; then others I read and he's town. my most recent read on him is that he is a townie who was just playing bad, but I am sure he will post again and that will change. maybe I just can't read this guy.
This is exactly how I feel about him too. I don't really have any further contribution to that. sqrt also seems to have been gathering more suspicion from all of us too. Right from day 1 I had a weird feeling about him, and probably because of his posting style. There hasn't really been much development, and I am still left in the dark on most of the people here. dfs seems pretty town to me, also a bit quiet, but I don't disagree with his reads. ritoky also looks town to me, even though he hasn't brought any massive game changing reads or contributions, but he hasn't done anything overtly suspicious.
I'm not sure what to think of tamb; ofc this is mostly because of what other people have already suspected of him - this hasn't changed, nor have my views on Epishade. ahswtini and MM1 have been laying it low this game, but I am not entirely convinced they're mafia. They may look suspicious but they haven't done enough to arouse my interest as possible mafia just yet. I think my top scumreads at the moment are Epishade and sqrt. I am on the fence with bunnies (and Yell0w -still) at the moment, her coming out and claiming she has a role all of a sudden and that she was blocked doesn't sound quite right to me. I already expressed suspicion of her in the beginning, withdrew it, and now it is building again. Is it possible she is mafia and shot to kill one of us, but someone roleblocked her? And if there is a sk (who isn't tamb), they were the one who possibly killed Amiko? I don't really know if that can happen in this game. If so, whoever roleblocked bunnies would surely have presented a case against her as to why she is mafia, and surely would have voted to lynch her? Thus far there has not been any substantial case claiming her to be mafia. So I guess by that reasoning, it makes sense that bunnies is town. It also doesn't make sense that a sk would kill Amiko on N1 since he was providing the most information. Unless the sk knew he was onto something and had something to hide? Is it possible that tamb IS infact sk and shot Amiko, then claimed to be gunning for Yell0w? A pretty clever ploy if you ask me.
Anyway, it is getting pretty close to voting time and I am still not sure whether to vote for Epishade or sqrt, or the other maybe candidates. Eden is someone I have also considered, but I am not more than 50% convinced he is mafia, and since he is bringing info to us I am unwilling for him to go just yet in the scenario we lose another useful townie.
I am well aware I am somewhat useless in contributing new information; it is not one of my strong points, but I at least explain my reasoning behind my thoughts and expand a bit on them. @Yell0w my vote against Epishade was based on other people's thoughts on him previously, and then my small section saying why I agreed with them, but I seemed to be the only one pushing to lynch him. I was then afk for a long time due to electricity and internet issues and came back to find I was the only one who voted him. Yes, it does look suspicious, but I suppose I shouldn't have expected any less after making a post barely pushing him. I still don't have a strong case, based on the fact that I find it very difficult to determine what does and doesn't look scummy in a forum based game. I also somehow thought playing mafia would be less time consuming than it really is.
@everyone: Just consider my possible scenario in which bunnies is a non town role and tamb is sk after all.
My 'most likely' scum list right now, as I said above : Epishade and/or sqrt.
On the fence : bunnies, tamb, Yell0w, maaaaybe Eden
Don't have much of an opinion on yet, but probably town: ritoky, Meat, dfs, ahswtini
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Netherlands6185 Posts
I copied it to a text document to my phone, and then copied it to my phone browser. Lost formatting, but oh well.
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Netherlands6185 Posts
On May 05 2014 02:55 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
##vote dravernor
she hasn't posted in almost 3 days.
Yesterday I was at work all day and then I climbed a mountain. Prior to that I either had no power at home or no internet access for a few days in my minimal free time. Pretty shitty filtering, reading, quoting and posting from a phone, hence my lack of activity. But yeah, I understand it is suspicious looking. Can't help my circumstances though.
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On May 05 2014 02:40 Eden1892 wrote:
Bunnies, we're getting short on time. Need your thoughts on lynching sqrt today.
tambo, what do you think about my case on sqrt? Do you think sqrt is town or mafia?
People who aren't voting sqrt: Why aren't you?
I like your case against him could be mafia, am I willing to change my vote to sqrt? Possibly. Im scared of the no votes right now and feel like a blitz is coming
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Northern Ireland22208 Posts
I'm voting for sqrt
I don't like his plays this game. Flipflopping between myself and Eden on day one, before switching and dropping the hammer on sweetfrost. Now he's back to pushing me for lynch. Scum sqrt knows for certain I'm innocent, and I'm an easy target to push because yes, I'm not very good at posting and making reads.
Here's hoping he's the roleblocker and mtamburini gets to shoot tonight.
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Vote (slave) count:
mtamburini (0): Eden1892
Yell0w (2): Epishade, mtamburini
sqrtofneg1 (4): ritoky, Eden1892, dfs, ahswtini
dravernor (1): MysteryMeat1
ahswtini (1): sqrtofneg1
Not voting (3): Yell0w, 27ninjabunnies, dravernor
Currently, sqrtofneg1 is set to be lynched.
Deadline is Sunday, May 04 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (in ).
Voting is mandatory!
+ Show Spoiler [Vote counter log] +VOTE: Eden1892 voted mtamburini ( post) VOTE: sqrtofneg1 voted ahswtini ( post) VOTE: ritoky voted sqrtofneg1 ( post) VOTE: Eden1892 unvoted mtamburini ( post) VOTE: Eden1892 voted sqrtofneg1 ( post) VOTE: Epishade voted Yell0w ( post) VOTE: mtamburini voted Yell0w ( post) VOTE: MysteryMeat1 voted Dravernor (dravernor) ( post) VOTE: dfs voted sqrtofneg1 ( post) VOTE: ahswtini voted sqrtofneg1 ( post)
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@ahswtini
Yes, every mafias would know that you're town if you're town, I have no idea why you'd say that, and yes you are an easy target, because you've been acting suspiciously.
Also not sure why you aren't just voting against me if you want tamburini to shoot me so much tonight.
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So, it sucks that I haven't been here, and Im sorry for that.
But I really have wanted to get sqrt today anyway. So my vote will be going on him. I'll be way more active in the night, and give my reads. I've been super suck leading town today, but super busy with leaving college for the summer!!!
##Vote: Sqrtofneg1
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Vote (slave) count:
mtamburini (0): Eden1892
Yell0w (2): Epishade, mtamburini
sqrtofneg1 (5): ritoky, Eden1892, dfs, ahswtini, 27ninjabunnies
dravernor (1): MysteryMeat1
ahswtini (1): sqrtofneg1
Not voting (2): Yell0w, dravernor
Currently, sqrtofneg1 is set to be lynched.
Deadline is Sunday, May 04 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (in ).
Voting is mandatory!
+ Show Spoiler [Vote counter log] +VOTE: Eden1892 voted mtamburini ( post) VOTE: sqrtofneg1 voted ahswtini ( post) VOTE: ritoky voted sqrtofneg1 ( post) VOTE: Eden1892 unvoted mtamburini ( post) VOTE: Eden1892 voted sqrtofneg1 ( post) VOTE: Epishade voted Yell0w ( post) VOTE: mtamburini voted Yell0w ( post) VOTE: MysteryMeat1 voted Dravernor (dravernor) ( post) VOTE: dfs voted sqrtofneg1 ( post) VOTE: ahswtini voted sqrtofneg1 ( post) VOTE: 27ninjabunnies voted Sqrtofneg1 (sqrtofneg1) ( post)
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On May 03 2014 11:18 sqrtofneg1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2014 11:11 ritoky wrote:On May 03 2014 10:48 sqrtofneg1 wrote:On May 03 2014 10:28 ritoky wrote:At the immediate end to yesterday's day phase, my belief was that there were 1 or probably two scum on the wagon and since then I am pretty sure it was two. The order before was 1) epishade and 2) sqrt, but now I think that order has flipflopped with sqrt being #1 and epishade being #2. So let's really look into this. Regarding my new #1 scummer sqrt: Why you're a scummer: 1) You demand substantially more information from people than you give back. To me this is indicative of two things: either you're mafia or you're the cop. I personally read you as mafia always trying to test the waters and end up on the winning side or at least a side where you'll get the least dirt on you. I haven't really seen you take any significant stance on your own or lead anything. You're always 2nd, 3rd, or 4th to something; and it sure as hell isn't for lack of activity or effort since your filter has 9 pages. 2) This one is very simple, you voted on sweetfrost who imo was CLEARLY town. You get a slight pass because you weren't there at the very end when he started typing in his defense and was beyond a shadow of a doubt town for his lack of desperation and other indicators in his post. 3) Your reaction to lynching a town was: 0 remorse On May 02 2014 07:57 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
I think we can.
No N1 flavour? awww....
Really? No flavor is what comes to mind? Not, oh crap I just contributed to a townie death for shit reasoning? Not even a single comment here about how he came up town. 4) You wait around for other's to make cases: On May 02 2014 08:27 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Good.
Now, someone should do a vote analysis.
Or anything really, I want to talk. "Someone" should do some vote analysis. Yeah, cuz you surely shouldn't even though you have the time to quite obviously. You wouldn't wanna get ahead of yourself and lead anything. Why not wait for someone else to do some analysis so you can make it your own later or follow right behind them. On May 02 2014 08:36 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Everyone, look through sweetfrost's filters, and tell us your thoughts! Go! On May 02 2014 08:39 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Well, it's short. I can't seem to find anything really useful. I think it'd be more useful to look at the whole thread and see other people's reactions to him. You can't find a single useful thing? Not one? Really? Cuz a lot of people didn't think he was scum and a few had him town read. So other people clearly found things, I mean I did. I don't think it's you not finding things, I think it is you not wanting to appear as you found things unless other people did. But wait, this isn't a unique occurrence cuz guess what? It happened again. On May 03 2014 08:33 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
I think yellow and tambo are town.
I can't really find anything from amiko's filter either, he was significantly more active than sweetfrost, but no on really suspected him.
I'm gonna push an ahs lynch.
##Vote: ahswtini Now you can't find anything in Amiko's filter? AMIKO's? The person who I think was in every single person in the game's top 3 town with multiple pages of in depth analysis of players and you find not a damn thing? I find this absolutely ridiculous. Maybe I am able to buy you not finding anything in Sweetfrost's filter as the quantity and quality was significantly less. Okay, I guess I can see that. But I am not someone who buy's wolf tickets. You didn't find any info in either? Not buying it. And not buying you as town. I will make my case on Epishade in a bit because I have to do some things, but it isn't much different than it was before. I also think that unless Epishade or Yell0w die during the night (nice 1 tambo), that it seems almost inevitable that we will have to lynch between them. I will explain why I think that in the other post later. but for now let's cap this off with ##vote: sqrtofneg1 #1 I've always indulged people with whatever they asked of me. Not my fault they don't ask me much. #2 Well, why aren't you going after the other people who voted sweetfrost then? Sure, you have epishade as #2 scum, but what about bunnies? #3 What about you? Did you have any remorse? #4 This one I can't argue. I do like to wait to see what others think first, before telling my reads. As for not finding anything in the filters, I would like you to find something useful. Sweetfrost honestly gave me nothing, and amiko's only showed his thoughts. No one suspected him, no one really directly interacted with him. So his filter also gave me next to nothing. #1 Why do you have to be prompted or pinged in order to share your thoughts and reads? To me, being open and forthright reads town and hiding and waiting reads as having something to hide, whether its a role or mafia. And I don't have a role read on you. #2 I personally thought we were going to wake up with bunnies dead since she was top of a lot of people's town list, but if Epishade is mafia like I think perhaps he believes he is in her pockets, so she is more valuable alive to him than Amiko was. #3 I think you don't read my posts. I got to my phone 7 minutes late, and wanted to switch my vote to you; and I was nearly irate that people didn't read his lack of desperation as CLEARLY town. I would also like to note that you were the hammer vote (last vote) on a townie. And then just moved on...how is that not scummy? #4 What can I say, I am probably gonna read that method of play as scummy 8 times outta 10 then, to me it just seems like you are waiting to pick the side that ends up least dirty. You just have too much of a self-preservationist approach to appear as VT to me, and like I said, I don't have a role read on you; so that leaves 1 option. The one I arrived at. #1 That's how I play. Look at the other games I've played in. (the previous 2 newbie mini mafia games) #2 Haha no. If anything, Epishade is in bunnies' pocket. #3 Well, do you expect me to cry over something that's over? What's done is done. We mislynched. #4 Well, that's your read. I know that it's wrong. I'm not mafia.
#2 is a stupid point. I don't even like epishade. And you have done very little to contribute to town, besides asking weird questions that basically go nowhere.
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On May 05 2014 05:11 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2014 11:18 sqrtofneg1 wrote:On May 03 2014 11:11 ritoky wrote:On May 03 2014 10:48 sqrtofneg1 wrote:On May 03 2014 10:28 ritoky wrote:At the immediate end to yesterday's day phase, my belief was that there were 1 or probably two scum on the wagon and since then I am pretty sure it was two. The order before was 1) epishade and 2) sqrt, but now I think that order has flipflopped with sqrt being #1 and epishade being #2. So let's really look into this. Regarding my new #1 scummer sqrt: Why you're a scummer: 1) You demand substantially more information from people than you give back. To me this is indicative of two things: either you're mafia or you're the cop. I personally read you as mafia always trying to test the waters and end up on the winning side or at least a side where you'll get the least dirt on you. I haven't really seen you take any significant stance on your own or lead anything. You're always 2nd, 3rd, or 4th to something; and it sure as hell isn't for lack of activity or effort since your filter has 9 pages. 2) This one is very simple, you voted on sweetfrost who imo was CLEARLY town. You get a slight pass because you weren't there at the very end when he started typing in his defense and was beyond a shadow of a doubt town for his lack of desperation and other indicators in his post. 3) Your reaction to lynching a town was: 0 remorse On May 02 2014 07:57 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
I think we can.
No N1 flavour? awww....
Really? No flavor is what comes to mind? Not, oh crap I just contributed to a townie death for shit reasoning? Not even a single comment here about how he came up town. 4) You wait around for other's to make cases: On May 02 2014 08:27 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Good.
Now, someone should do a vote analysis.
Or anything really, I want to talk. "Someone" should do some vote analysis. Yeah, cuz you surely shouldn't even though you have the time to quite obviously. You wouldn't wanna get ahead of yourself and lead anything. Why not wait for someone else to do some analysis so you can make it your own later or follow right behind them. On May 02 2014 08:36 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Everyone, look through sweetfrost's filters, and tell us your thoughts! Go! On May 02 2014 08:39 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Well, it's short. I can't seem to find anything really useful. I think it'd be more useful to look at the whole thread and see other people's reactions to him. You can't find a single useful thing? Not one? Really? Cuz a lot of people didn't think he was scum and a few had him town read. So other people clearly found things, I mean I did. I don't think it's you not finding things, I think it is you not wanting to appear as you found things unless other people did. But wait, this isn't a unique occurrence cuz guess what? It happened again. On May 03 2014 08:33 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
I think yellow and tambo are town.
I can't really find anything from amiko's filter either, he was significantly more active than sweetfrost, but no on really suspected him.
I'm gonna push an ahs lynch.
##Vote: ahswtini Now you can't find anything in Amiko's filter? AMIKO's? The person who I think was in every single person in the game's top 3 town with multiple pages of in depth analysis of players and you find not a damn thing? I find this absolutely ridiculous. Maybe I am able to buy you not finding anything in Sweetfrost's filter as the quantity and quality was significantly less. Okay, I guess I can see that. But I am not someone who buy's wolf tickets. You didn't find any info in either? Not buying it. And not buying you as town. I will make my case on Epishade in a bit because I have to do some things, but it isn't much different than it was before. I also think that unless Epishade or Yell0w die during the night (nice 1 tambo), that it seems almost inevitable that we will have to lynch between them. I will explain why I think that in the other post later. but for now let's cap this off with ##vote: sqrtofneg1 #1 I've always indulged people with whatever they asked of me. Not my fault they don't ask me much. #2 Well, why aren't you going after the other people who voted sweetfrost then? Sure, you have epishade as #2 scum, but what about bunnies? #3 What about you? Did you have any remorse? #4 This one I can't argue. I do like to wait to see what others think first, before telling my reads. As for not finding anything in the filters, I would like you to find something useful. Sweetfrost honestly gave me nothing, and amiko's only showed his thoughts. No one suspected him, no one really directly interacted with him. So his filter also gave me next to nothing. #1 Why do you have to be prompted or pinged in order to share your thoughts and reads? To me, being open and forthright reads town and hiding and waiting reads as having something to hide, whether its a role or mafia. And I don't have a role read on you. #2 I personally thought we were going to wake up with bunnies dead since she was top of a lot of people's town list, but if Epishade is mafia like I think perhaps he believes he is in her pockets, so she is more valuable alive to him than Amiko was. #3 I think you don't read my posts. I got to my phone 7 minutes late, and wanted to switch my vote to you; and I was nearly irate that people didn't read his lack of desperation as CLEARLY town. I would also like to note that you were the hammer vote (last vote) on a townie. And then just moved on...how is that not scummy? #4 What can I say, I am probably gonna read that method of play as scummy 8 times outta 10 then, to me it just seems like you are waiting to pick the side that ends up least dirty. You just have too much of a self-preservationist approach to appear as VT to me, and like I said, I don't have a role read on you; so that leaves 1 option. The one I arrived at. #1 That's how I play. Look at the other games I've played in. (the previous 2 newbie mini mafia games) #2 Haha no. If anything, Epishade is in bunnies' pocket. #3 Well, do you expect me to cry over something that's over? What's done is done. We mislynched. #4 Well, that's your read. I know that it's wrong. I'm not mafia. #2 is a stupid point. I don't even like epishade. And you have done very little to contribute to town, besides asking weird questions that basically go nowhere.
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So my vote doesn't matter at this point rigth? I'm fine with the sqrt lynch, but I'm just going to vote for tamburini because I think he deserves it, just this one vote to remind him that he shouldn't have claimed vigi day 1.
##Vote: mtamburini
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Netherlands6185 Posts
Eh, looks like the BW vote is going to sqrt, regardless of where I vote.
sqrt, please be mafia.
##VOTE: sqrtofneg1
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Vote (slave) count:
mtamburini (1): Eden1892, Yell0w
Yell0w (2): Epishade, mtamburini
sqrtofneg1 (6): ritoky, Eden1892, dfs, ahswtini, 27ninjabunnies, dravernor
dravernor (1): MysteryMeat1
ahswtini (1): sqrtofneg1
Currently, sqrtofneg1 is set to be lynched.
Deadline is Sunday, May 04 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (in ).
Voting is mandatory!
+ Show Spoiler [Vote counter log] +VOTE: Eden1892 voted mtamburini ( post) VOTE: sqrtofneg1 voted ahswtini ( post) VOTE: ritoky voted sqrtofneg1 ( post) VOTE: Eden1892 unvoted mtamburini ( post) VOTE: Eden1892 voted sqrtofneg1 ( post) VOTE: Epishade voted Yell0w ( post) VOTE: mtamburini voted Yell0w ( post) VOTE: MysteryMeat1 voted Dravernor (dravernor) ( post) VOTE: dfs voted sqrtofneg1 ( post) VOTE: ahswtini voted sqrtofneg1 ( post) VOTE: 27ninjabunnies voted Sqrtofneg1 (sqrtofneg1) ( post) VOTE: Yell0w voted mtamburini ( post) VOTE: dravernor voted sqrtofneg1 ( post)
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On May 05 2014 01:05 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2014 17:53 ritoky wrote:On May 04 2014 17:45 mtamburini wrote:
Oh cause if she is roleblocker she couldnt have roleblocked me.
That doesnt mean there is not 3 roleblokers this game! perhaps i am taking things for granted, but because this is listed as a "newbie game" and there are so few people; I am really trying not to get into highly complex scenarios where there are multiples of the same role. Maybe I should be, but I am not. If we follow with what eden said earlier, that you were MRB'd and bunnies was TJK'd. You are vigi, bunnies is not the JK because she got JK'd, she says she isn't the roleblocker; so if I am going simple, I arrive at 1 role. Ok so she got Jailed maybe and whatever, why cant she just be a helix worshiper? She doesnt have to be a role. She did say something along the lines of I got roleblocked but I wont say if I was a role or not to keep mafia guessing (thats when my paranoia started kicking in more than ever, had small tiny thing in back of my head about bunnies but it seemed way to crazy to be true bu its creeping up on me.)
I am under the impression that in order to receive a pm that you got roleblocked that you have to have a role. Again, this is me assuming things that maybe I shouldn't be assuming; but if I was mod and a VT got roleblocked during the night, I wouldn't pm them that they got RB'd, cuz there is nothing to block.
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Hey look, 30 minutes left and I'm about to die.
Sorry I was busy today. I still am.
I'm gonna die, not gonna bother defending myself, but here's what I think.
I don't even have time to look over today's posts.
I'm suspicious of dfs, drav, ahs, and eden mostly.
Bunnies needs to be looked at if she doesn't die today.
I think epishade, yellow and ritoky are town.
Mysterymeat, I have no idea.
Tambo, you I think is vigi.
GG guys, and win this one for me. I really wanted to win one of my newbie games, but it looks like that's probably not gonna happen.
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