On May 04 2014 17:07 Eden1892 wrote: bunnies: What is your opinion on my case on sqrt and Epishade?
Ummmm, let me read up on that and get back to you. I'm at a friends' house, so I'm just checking in. Hopefully I'll have one big post for all of you tomorrow.
Also, someone CC me, I dare you. Watch me wreck you into the ground.
On May 04 2014 16:58 27ninjabunnies wrote: Alright, are you seriously getting paranoid on me now?!
Come on, get real.
So I do admit, I haven't been posting as much today due to just leaving my campus, and I'm headed home tomorrow So I'll definitely be able to post more.
And lynching me because I went on yell0w, got pretty GREAT reads, enough too possibly get roleblocked by mafia.
COME ON TAMBURINI!
GET REAL.
Anyway, my point is, I didn't think to check my pms because I thought I'd either die in the night, or someone would come out the next day and push on me to make meseem scummy...
If I was mafia, I'd do a WAY better play than this, and I wouldn't have been defending you tamburini, if you are actual vigi. You can read me pretty well, and I'd try to get you out of the game asap.
I came out with the roleblock claim as soon as I realized I was blocked. And I did it for the reason that tamburini had also claimed he was roleblocked. THIS IS INFORMATION TOWN NEEDS. Because I didn't realize the actual role of the jailer, I didn't know it could be a possible jailer scenerio on me, and for that I am sorry. But if there are 2 roleblockers, 1 for mafia, 1 for town, this is information we could use to our advantage.
So, from just my claim we already know one thing, that is if tamburini is truly vig, and was roleblocked.
One scenerio is that if tamburini IS vigi, and he was roleblocked, and I was roleblocked, too,(which I was) that means I cannot be a roleblocker. So you have that information, now run wild with it.
Well if you compare this bolded part with the roles listed in the game on page 1, then....I'll let you fill in the rest.
On May 04 2014 16:58 27ninjabunnies wrote: Alright, are you seriously getting paranoid on me now?!
Come on, get real.
So I do admit, I haven't been posting as much today due to just leaving my campus, and I'm headed home tomorrow So I'll definitely be able to post more.
And lynching me because I went on yell0w, got pretty GREAT reads, enough too possibly get roleblocked by mafia.
COME ON TAMBURINI!
GET REAL.
Anyway, my point is, I didn't think to check my pms because I thought I'd either die in the night, or someone would come out the next day and push on me to make meseem scummy...
If I was mafia, I'd do a WAY better play than this, and I wouldn't have been defending you tamburini, if you are actual vigi. You can read me pretty well, and I'd try to get you out of the game asap.
I came out with the roleblock claim as soon as I realized I was blocked. And I did it for the reason that tamburini had also claimed he was roleblocked. THIS IS INFORMATION TOWN NEEDS. Because I didn't realize the actual role of the jailer, I didn't know it could be a possible jailer scenerio on me, and for that I am sorry. But if there are 2 roleblockers, 1 for mafia, 1 for town, this is information we could use to our advantage.
So, from just my claim we already know one thing, that is if tamburini is truly vig, and was roleblocked.
One scenerio is that if tamburini IS vigi, and he was roleblocked, and I was roleblocked, too,(which I was) that means I cannot be a roleblocker. So you have that information, now run wild with it.
Well if you compare this bolded part with the roles listed in the game on page 1, then....I'll let you fill in the rest.
On May 04 2014 17:45 mtamburini wrote: Oh cause if she is roleblocker she couldnt have roleblocked me.
That doesnt mean there is not 3 roleblokers this game!
perhaps i am taking things for granted, but because this is listed as a "newbie game" and there are so few people; I am really trying not to get into highly complex scenarios where there are multiples of the same role. Maybe I should be, but I am not.
If we follow with what eden said earlier, that you were MRB'd and bunnies was TJK'd. You are vigi, bunnies is not the JK because she got JK'd, she says she isn't the roleblocker; so if I am going simple, I arrive at 1 role.
I am going to bed now, and I hope I wake up with a decent amount of time before the deadline. I also hope that people talk and vote before the deadline.
For those who come on while I am asleep I will leave this here: Town Circle: - Me: I am town - 27ninjabunnies - 99.9% town; unless someone counterclaims her, then I will have to re-evaluate and choose which I believe. - Eden1892 - 92% town; he has a very similar read of the game to me, and has been aggressively pushing people for info. - mtamburini - 89% town; I still believe he is vigi, the reason he is not 98% town is because it has not been proven at night and there may come a time where we mathematically have to lynch him in the event he is the SK and not actually a vigi.
If you want more of an explanation on each of them, I can provide it when I wake up. I am pretty much ride or die with these 3 as of right now.
Scummers: - sqrt - 87% scum; see my previous posts, I asked him more specific questions, I didn't particularly like the answers provided; but they at least brought him to even with Epishade to where I would lynch either. - Epishade - 87% scum; deflecting hard, trying to bait people into mislynching yell0w or trying to sac yell0w to buy credibility, trying hard to pocket and parrot bunnies. overall scummer.
Roller coaster: - yell0w - Null - basically for me fluctuates from town to mafia with every post. some I read and it is like, you're mafia; then others I read and he's town. my most recent read on him is that he is a townie who was just playing bad, but I am sure he will post again and that will change. maybe I just can't read this guy.
That's where I am at, there doesn't seem to be too much investment in this day phase; I don't know if that is because it is during the weekend, or what is going on. When I wake up I hope there is more going on.
Assuming there are three roleblocking roles altogether in this game, we are still missing one roleblock claim. As all roleblocks are notified, even if an action wasn't blocked, revealing you got roleblocked is not going to put you at risk. This is why bunnies came out with her claim - we don't know if she is a blue or not and that doesn't matter.
Jailkeeper -> bunnies Mafia RB -> mtamburini Town RB -> ??? It's possible that the town roleblocker is bunnies?
There are also no hit notifications in this game, which means if the Mafia or SK targeted bunnies, the Jailer wouldn't know about it. This sucks because we really have little information to go by following the events of Night 1. If you were roleblocked, please come out and say it.
ahswtini - not much to look at with his posts. The only people he talked about were Yell0w ("on the fence", he said he didn't like him being not serious and that's all he said), mtamburini (agreed with Epishade on his 3 mafia theory and pointed mtamburini specificly, but, like most people, changed the read to town after the vigi claim) and Meat (i shared the same concerns with ahswtini here). That's it. Almost nothing. Although his suspicious for Meat D1 i understand, but he voted even though Meat was banned and there were other, better suspects, in my opinion. The lack of reads on anyone else and an "outer" vote looks really bad for him.
Epishade - the most suspicion on him seems to come from the start of the game (deflection and pocketing and stuff, other people pointed it out a lot), and now the Yell0w vote with the justification of "Though I don't like lynching someone I think is town, especially after I defended them so strongly in the beginning of the game, I think it would give us the most useful information.". Why vote so early on someone who you think is town? If it's an attempt to start a BW on Yell0w then I don't see why him, because mtambuini wants to shoot him anyway.
sqrt - nothing really changed since my last read om him. Disagree with his reads, he didn't expand on that much as well, but that's not the biggest concern of mine. He's being extremely active, yet doesn't bring much info on the table himself before anyone else and he's mostly focused on asking other people weird questions.
So, based on that, my list of highest suspects in descending order is:
Yell0w, sqrt, ahswtini, Meat and Epishade.
I still don't see a point in lynching Yell0w right now though, because of the vig.
On May 04 2014 17:45 mtamburini wrote: Oh cause if she is roleblocker she couldnt have roleblocked me.
That doesnt mean there is not 3 roleblokers this game!
perhaps i am taking things for granted, but because this is listed as a "newbie game" and there are so few people; I am really trying not to get into highly complex scenarios where there are multiples of the same role. Maybe I should be, but I am not.
If we follow with what eden said earlier, that you were MRB'd and bunnies was TJK'd. You are vigi, bunnies is not the JK because she got JK'd, she says she isn't the roleblocker; so if I am going simple, I arrive at 1 role.
Ok so she got Jailed maybe and whatever, why cant she just be a helix worshiper? She doesnt have to be a role. She did say something along the lines of I got roleblocked but I wont say if I was a role or not to keep mafia guessing (thats when my paranoia started kicking in more than ever, had small tiny thing in back of my head about bunnies but it seemed way to crazy to be true bu its creeping up on me.)
So because I haven't been posting much today, ima give you my reads right now, I feel they're pretty weak, I just don't seem to be as convinced as others that Epishade is mafia so here I go.
Bunnies: Pretty convinced she's town, she seems really genuine. Eden: I thought he was suspicious all the way through day 1, but the fact that he keeps changing his minds on things, especially on me, while he could probably have gotten an easy lynch if he pushed makes me think he's a townie trying to get information and lynch a mafia, not just lynch the easy target.
Epishade: I had him as town before when he defended me at the beginning, but then I felt like he was trying to hard to make himself known as the guy who would be town if we mislynched me day 1, and then day 2 he immediately wants to lynch me while still thinking I'm town. Not convinced he's mafia though, I can see his play making sense if he's town. I also don't buy the argument that he's mafia because he voted to lynch a town. He was one of the first, if not the first, to say Sweetfrost was suspicious, and he was suspicious, so Epishade's vote makes sense and the BW on Sweetfrost happened after his vote.
sqrt: I found him pretty suspicious since pretty early in the game, I think most people did, just the way he posts, always short with minimum info on anything, mostly just asking weird questions to people. My biggest concern is his vote, he was the last to vote on Sweetfrost and his reason was that the general consensus is that he's mafia, that's some pretty hardcore bandwagoning. And his vote saved tamburini, I think a mafia sqrt would want to save a vigi tamburini because he was going to shoot a town (me). Would be fine with lynching him right now.
Tamburini: So that guy... I really don't like the way he played this game, but I guess I believe he's vigi, it's the most likely scenario, I'm not sure why everyone believe he cannot possibly be mafia though? It seems like everyone thinks he's vigi or maybe sk, but not mafia, I think he could be mafia and not have been roleblocked at all. I don't like that he's trying to lynch me again when he can just kill me if he's vigi, and I would be dead by now if he never claimed vigi and just played a better day 1. So I'd say most likely vigi, but I'm not convinced at all.
ritoky: I guess he seems mostly town, only thing I don't like is he was the only one to vote against ahs but didn't do anything to convince others that ahs was scummy and he didn't do much to defend Sweetfrost from a lynch despite that he thought Sweetfrost was town. Even Amiko pointed out that nobody was defending Sweetfrost. Maybe 63% town
People who are flying under the radar by barely posting:
dfs: No idea, hasn't posted enough, but he's the most town of the four barely active players though in my mind.
mysterymeat: He said he was going to be more active, he has barely been more active, a little at the beginning but then stopped, his read on dfs makes no sense to me, but I don't know why he would do it if he was mafia either. I kind of want to hear more from him, but would not be opposed to lynching him.
ahs: That guy's definitely fishy, I especially didn't like the post where he just shows up to make a recap of what others said without adding any kind of opinion to what was said. And then he just votes for mysterymeat, probably the easiest of targets. By not voting against one of the possible people getting lynched that day, he doesn't put himself in the crosshair.
dravernor: That guy just showed up a few time, hasn't posted yet in day 2 too btw, and everytime he makes a big post not saying anything, I mean he made a huge paragraph about me saying he was on the fence, then he wasn't, then he was, and other useless things, not saying why I was suspicious at all. This whole post is huge and lacks any kind of new information. In the end of that post, he votes against Epishade, and I have absolutely no clue why. The only thing he seems to disagree with others was Amiko and bunnies, he thought they were looking too town for him I guess. So I'd like to think he's mafia, but my concern is he doesn't seem to be with anybody at all, so if he's mafia I have no clue with whom.
So in conclusion, I don't have any strong scum reads right now, I know, I suck, I think I'm missing something or that the mafias are being inactive and letting us kill each other, I'm going to think about it all and I hope I find a strong suspect before the end of the day, but right now I'd be fine with a sqrt lynch or one of the 4 inactive people.
On May 05 2014 01:17 Yell0w wrote: So because I haven't been posting much today, ima give you my reads right now, I feel they're pretty weak, I just don't seem to be as convinced as others that Epishade is mafia so here I go.
Bunnies: Pretty convinced she's town, she seems really genuine. Eden: I thought he was suspicious all the way through day 1, but the fact that he keeps changing his minds on things, especially on me, while he could probably have gotten an easy lynch if he pushed makes me think he's a townie trying to get information and lynch a mafia, not just lynch the easy target.
Epishade: I had him as town before when he defended me at the beginning, but then I felt like he was trying to hard to make himself known as the guy who would be town if we mislynched me day 1, and then day 2 he immediately wants to lynch me while still thinking I'm town. Not convinced he's mafia though, I can see his play making sense if he's town. I also don't buy the argument that he's mafia because he voted to lynch a town. He was one of the first, if not the first, to say Sweetfrost was suspicious, and he was suspicious, so Epishade's vote makes sense and the BW on Sweetfrost happened after his vote.
sqrt: I found him pretty suspicious since pretty early in the game, I think most people did, just the way he posts, always short with minimum info on anything, mostly just asking weird questions to people. My biggest concern is his vote, he was the last to vote on Sweetfrost and his reason was that the general consensus is that he's mafia, that's some pretty hardcore bandwagoning. And his vote saved tamburini, I think a mafia sqrt would want to save a vigi tamburini because he was going to shoot a town (me). Would be fine with lynching him right now.
Tamburini: So that guy... I really don't like the way he played this game, but I guess I believe he's vigi, it's the most likely scenario, I'm not sure why everyone believe he cannot possibly be mafia though? It seems like everyone thinks he's vigi or maybe sk, but not mafia, I think he could be mafia and not have been roleblocked at all. I don't like that he's trying to lynch me again when he can just kill me if he's vigi, and I would be dead by now if he never claimed vigi and just played a better day 1. So I'd say most likely vigi, but I'm not convinced at all.
ritoky: I guess he seems mostly town, only thing I don't like is he was the only one to vote against ahs but didn't do anything to convince others that ahs was scummy and he didn't do much to defend Sweetfrost from a lynch despite that he thought Sweetfrost was town. Even Amiko pointed out that nobody was defending Sweetfrost. Maybe 63% town
People who are flying under the radar by barely posting:
dfs: No idea, hasn't posted enough, but he's the most town of the four barely active players though in my mind.
mysterymeat: He said he was going to be more active, he has barely been more active, a little at the beginning but then stopped, his read on dfs makes no sense to me, but I don't know why he would do it if he was mafia either. I kind of want to hear more from him, but would not be opposed to lynching him.
ahs: That guy's definitely fishy, I especially didn't like the post where he just shows up to make a recap of what others said without adding any kind of opinion to what was said. And then he just votes for mysterymeat, probably the easiest of targets. By not voting against one of the possible people getting lynched that day, he doesn't put himself in the crosshair.
dravernor: That guy just showed up a few time, hasn't posted yet in day 2 too btw, and everytime he makes a big post not saying anything, I mean he made a huge paragraph about me saying he was on the fence, then he wasn't, then he was, and other useless things, not saying why I was suspicious at all. This whole post is huge and lacks any kind of new information. In the end of that post, he votes against Epishade, and I have absolutely no clue why. The only thing he seems to disagree with others was Amiko and bunnies, he thought they were looking too town for him I guess. So I'd like to think he's mafia, but my concern is he doesn't seem to be with anybody at all, so if he's mafia I have no clue with whom.
So in conclusion, I don't have any strong scum reads right now, I know, I suck, I think I'm missing something or that the mafias are being inactive and letting us kill each other, I'm going to think about it all and I hope I find a strong suspect before the end of the day, but right now I'd be fine with a sqrt lynch or one of the 4 inactive people.
There is no reason for me not to have you as my prime suspect right now as I was roleblocked and it was quite obvious I was going to shoot you.
I will say this if you get lynched and you flip town, I will be considering shooting bunnies to ease my paranoia.
Bunnies you are very good at forum games (which I can see why someone might role block you) your day 1 was very strong according to most people. If I could just look into your eyes I could tell if you are mafia or not, deciphering what you are saying and how you are saying it is very hard cause I have seen you do it as both alignments.
On May 05 2014 01:17 Yell0w wrote: So because I haven't been posting much today, ima give you my reads right now, I feel they're pretty weak, I just don't seem to be as convinced as others that Epishade is mafia so here I go.
Bunnies: Pretty convinced she's town, she seems really genuine. Eden: I thought he was suspicious all the way through day 1, but the fact that he keeps changing his minds on things, especially on me, while he could probably have gotten an easy lynch if he pushed makes me think he's a townie trying to get information and lynch a mafia, not just lynch the easy target.
Epishade: I had him as town before when he defended me at the beginning, but then I felt like he was trying to hard to make himself known as the guy who would be town if we mislynched me day 1, and then day 2 he immediately wants to lynch me while still thinking I'm town. Not convinced he's mafia though, I can see his play making sense if he's town. I also don't buy the argument that he's mafia because he voted to lynch a town. He was one of the first, if not the first, to say Sweetfrost was suspicious, and he was suspicious, so Epishade's vote makes sense and the BW on Sweetfrost happened after his vote.
sqrt: I found him pretty suspicious since pretty early in the game, I think most people did, just the way he posts, always short with minimum info on anything, mostly just asking weird questions to people. My biggest concern is his vote, he was the last to vote on Sweetfrost and his reason was that the general consensus is that he's mafia, that's some pretty hardcore bandwagoning. And his vote saved tamburini, I think a mafia sqrt would want to save a vigi tamburini because he was going to shoot a town (me). Would be fine with lynching him right now.
Tamburini: So that guy... I really don't like the way he played this game, but I guess I believe he's vigi, it's the most likely scenario, I'm not sure why everyone believe he cannot possibly be mafia though? It seems like everyone thinks he's vigi or maybe sk, but not mafia, I think he could be mafia and not have been roleblocked at all. I don't like that he's trying to lynch me again when he can just kill me if he's vigi, and I would be dead by now if he never claimed vigi and just played a better day 1. So I'd say most likely vigi, but I'm not convinced at all.
ritoky: I guess he seems mostly town, only thing I don't like is he was the only one to vote against ahs but didn't do anything to convince others that ahs was scummy and he didn't do much to defend Sweetfrost from a lynch despite that he thought Sweetfrost was town. Even Amiko pointed out that nobody was defending Sweetfrost. Maybe 63% town
People who are flying under the radar by barely posting:
dfs: No idea, hasn't posted enough, but he's the most town of the four barely active players though in my mind.
mysterymeat: He said he was going to be more active, he has barely been more active, a little at the beginning but then stopped, his read on dfs makes no sense to me, but I don't know why he would do it if he was mafia either. I kind of want to hear more from him, but would not be opposed to lynching him.
ahs: That guy's definitely fishy, I especially didn't like the post where he just shows up to make a recap of what others said without adding any kind of opinion to what was said. And then he just votes for mysterymeat, probably the easiest of targets. By not voting against one of the possible people getting lynched that day, he doesn't put himself in the crosshair.
dravernor: That guy just showed up a few time, hasn't posted yet in day 2 too btw, and everytime he makes a big post not saying anything, I mean he made a huge paragraph about me saying he was on the fence, then he wasn't, then he was, and other useless things, not saying why I was suspicious at all. This whole post is huge and lacks any kind of new information. In the end of that post, he votes against Epishade, and I have absolutely no clue why. The only thing he seems to disagree with others was Amiko and bunnies, he thought they were looking too town for him I guess. So I'd like to think he's mafia, but my concern is he doesn't seem to be with anybody at all, so if he's mafia I have no clue with whom.
So in conclusion, I don't have any strong scum reads right now, I know, I suck, I think I'm missing something or that the mafias are being inactive and letting us kill each other, I'm going to think about it all and I hope I find a strong suspect before the end of the day, but right now I'd be fine with a sqrt lynch or one of the 4 inactive people.
I posted and then went to sleep. ALl the recent posting happened while i was asleep zzzzzzzzzzz....
EPT
