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MysteryMeat1
United States3291 Posts
On May 04 2014 04:45 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Wait, you think he's town because he's wrong? I don't get it. I think if he was mafia his reads would be better because he would have more information. Because his reads are wrong when concerning me i would say he's town. so far my town circle is tam, bunnies, dfs | ||
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Epishade
United States2267 Posts
On May 03 2014 18:40 MysteryMeat1 wrote: well first off, its good to be back. I promise from now on ill be posting a lot more so if you have any questions please let me know! As for reads i'm suspicious of anyone that voted for sweetfrost except for bunnies casue i think she is town. I think it is almost guarenteed that mtamburini is vig as there have been no counterclaimes and that he was roleblocked. Im vanilla town and unfortunately i don't have a role. Just a loyal worshipper of the helix. I think ashwanti is town just cause he voted for me and the fact that i wasn't particualrly active. If bunnies doesn't die at night within the next couple of nights i would like to this she is mafia. However due to the fact that vigi is already known i expect her to live a few more nights which is unfortunate. As for now i'm pretty suspicious of epishade. I think dfs is town just cause his thoughts above are soo wrong. You're suspicious of anyone that voted for Sweetfrost when the two main choices to lynch that day were Sweetfrost and Tamburini. But then you also think Tamburini is guaranteed vigi? Who else were we to vote for? Some random? I believe Yellow might have been the better third choice to vote for out of the two (or some people have it out for Sqrt, too) if it came to it, but nobody was really pushing too hard for either of them by the time people started voting. And then there were the outlier voters. I think it's weird you would find it suspicious of people to vote for someone who hadn't given us much defense not to vote on him, when the other person on the chopping block was probable vigi. I also think it also doesn't look that great either that you think Ashwanti is town just because he voted for you when nobody else did. It could very easily be a mafia voting another mafia here (with no real threat behind it because you weren't on the chopping block) as a way to make Ashwanti look more townie. Then, if you two were mafia partners, you would want to bring it up that he voted for you as a way to make him appear more town in case you were lynched or killed soon and flipped scum. | ||
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MysteryMeat1
United States3291 Posts
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Epishade
United States2267 Posts
On May 04 2014 12:00 MysteryMeat1 wrote: so you're saying tamburini isn't vigi? How did you interpret that from my post? On May 04 2014 11:32 Epishade wrote: You're suspicious of anyone that voted for Sweetfrost when the two main choices to lynch that day were Sweetfrost and Tamburini. But then you also think Tamburini is guaranteed vigi? Who else were we to vote for? Some random? I believe Yellow might have been the better third choice to vote for out of the two (or some people have it out for Sqrt, too) if it came to it, but nobody was really pushing too hard for either of them by the time people started voting. And then there were the outlier voters. I think it's weird you would find it suspicious of people to vote for someone who hadn't given us much defense not to vote on him, when the other person on the chopping block was probable vigi. I also think it also doesn't look that great either that you think Ashwanti is town just because he voted for you when nobody else did. It could very easily be a mafia voting another mafia here (with no real threat behind it because you weren't on the chopping block) as a way to make Ashwanti look more townie. Then, if you two were mafia partners, you would want to bring it up that he voted for you as a way to make him appear more town in case you were lynched or killed soon and flipped scum. | ||
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mtamburini
Canada506 Posts
Im just trying to understand in what world would mafia roleblock me if Yell0w is town and the only reason I can think of is for us to ML Yell0w and then probably myself the next day and possibly lose the game if there are 4 mafia in this game. If he flips over mafia we get a lot of info and if he comes up town we get a lot of info from all the day 1 interactions as there is a lot of posts that were happening early game. | ||
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mtamburini
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27ninjabunnies
United States2486 Posts
So here's what we are looking at at the moment. If tamburini got roleblocked, there are two roleblockers in this game, possibly town and mafia. I doubt they would put two mafia rbs or two town rbs. Now, I say this for this reason, I got roleblocked last night. I am neither confirming or denying I am an actual role, I'll leave that up for mafia to decide. However, if town roleblocker roleblocked me, you are an idiot. If mafia roleblocked me, prepared to get wrecked. Also, if town roleblocker blocked mtamburini, you still are an idiot. If mafia roleblocked him, well, still prepare to get wrecked. Now talk over this while I read over the last few pages. | ||
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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
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Eden1892
United States5866 Posts
- sqrt says that Yell0w is a strong townread, based on events throughout the whole turn. But he says that he would lynch Yell0w over Epishade. When I confronted him about this he completely deflected with a stupid snarky comment about my inactivity instead of answering me. The deflection in particular has really set off alarms to me because I can't see why on Earth he wouldn't just answer me straight as town. This makes sqrt scum, and he wouldn't have any incentive to indicate a preference to preserve town!Epishade over town!Yell0w after townreading town!Yell0w. He obviously would if we're looking at scum!Epishade though. It's also possible that scum!sqrt just slipped up and forgot he was townreading Yell0w heavily, but I think it's more likely that he's defending a teammate. - Epishade stayed away from commenting on the sqrt case, opting instead to give an overly-lengthy explanation of his read on dravernor (neutral). He then opts for lynching Yell0w who he thinks is town... for... information? What? It's Day 2. We can do better than this. I see this as super-scummy and self-evidently so. sqrt then IMMEDIATELY townreads Epishade for this, which is utterly bizarre to me, because Epishade didn't try to gang up on sqrt. sqrt himself said it required us to accept his towniness which is certainly up in the air. I don't buy it and I think sqrt overstepped in trying to prop up his buddy. sqrt and Epishade are scumbuddies. I could see Epishade being town, maybe, and sqrt just slipping on his read of Yell0w, which is why I prefer sqrt. I'll take Epishade as well but I don't feel strongly about the others to lynch them over one of these two. I also have changed my mind about Yell0w after looking at this interaction. There's no way this whole thing goes down with Yell0w also being mafia. I think Yell0w is town looking at this. Still really suspicious of mtamburini, but he's trying to figure things out while half the game isn't, which runs contrary to the serial killer's MO of hiding in the crowd. He's trending town and I'm more inclined to believe he was the vigilante than I am yesterday. | ||
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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
On May 04 2014 14:09 27ninjabunnies wrote: Okay, I can talk finally! I'll read through the last few pages and give yall something to go off of. So here's what we are looking at at the moment. If tamburini got roleblocked, there are two roleblockers in this game, possibly town and mafia. I doubt they would put two mafia rbs or two town rbs. Now, I say this for this reason, I got roleblocked last night. I am neither confirming or denying I am an actual role, I'll leave that up for mafia to decide. However, if town roleblocker roleblocked me, you are an idiot. If mafia roleblocked me, prepared to get wrecked. Also, if town roleblocker blocked mtamburini, you still are an idiot. If mafia roleblocked him, well, still prepare to get wrecked. Now talk over this while I read over the last few pages. Isn't that confirming that you are a role? I would assume that a townie with no role would not even be informed if they are roleblocked, since there is nothing to block there? And aren't you also not considering the possibility of a jailkeeper? | ||
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Eden1892
United States5866 Posts
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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
On May 04 2014 14:39 Eden1892 wrote: I think there's a really good chance that sqrt and Epishade are two parts of the scumteam, looking at their D2 interactions here. Let's look: - sqrt says that Yell0w is a strong townread, based on events throughout the whole turn. But he says that he would lynch Yell0w over Epishade. When I confronted him about this he completely deflected with a stupid snarky comment about my inactivity instead of answering me. The deflection in particular has really set off alarms to me because I can't see why on Earth he wouldn't just answer me straight as town. This makes sqrt scum, and he wouldn't have any incentive to indicate a preference to preserve town!Epishade over town!Yell0w after townreading town!Yell0w. He obviously would if we're looking at scum!Epishade though. It's also possible that scum!sqrt just slipped up and forgot he was townreading Yell0w heavily, but I think it's more likely that he's defending a teammate. - Epishade stayed away from commenting on the sqrt case, opting instead to give an overly-lengthy explanation of his read on dravernor (neutral). He then opts for lynching Yell0w who he thinks is town... for... information? What? It's Day 2. We can do better than this. I see this as super-scummy and self-evidently so. sqrt then IMMEDIATELY townreads Epishade for this, which is utterly bizarre to me, because Epishade didn't try to gang up on sqrt. sqrt himself said it required us to accept his towniness which is certainly up in the air. I don't buy it and I think sqrt overstepped in trying to prop up his buddy. sqrt and Epishade are scumbuddies. I could see Epishade being town, maybe, and sqrt just slipping on his read of Yell0w, which is why I prefer sqrt. I'll take Epishade as well but I don't feel strongly about the others to lynch them over one of these two. I also have changed my mind about Yell0w after looking at this interaction. There's no way this whole thing goes down with Yell0w also being mafia. I think Yell0w is town looking at this. Still really suspicious of mtamburini, but he's trying to figure things out while half the game isn't, which runs contrary to the serial killer's MO of hiding in the crowd. He's trending town and I'm more inclined to believe he was the vigilante than I am yesterday. I agree with about 95% of this, the only thing that worries me about you Eden is that you walk on the border between aggressive and bloodthirsty, one being a town attribute and the other being mafia. I will say too that sqrt was the hammer vote last day phase on Sweetfrost, for pretty much terrible justification. Then, as you said I bring up a case against him, and Epishade does what Epishade does best: avoid and deflect. I think Epishade saw me put up a decent case on sqrt and chose not to comment on it and instead go back to the yell0w train because he thinks it is an easy mislynch that he knows at least tamburini will be behind. I agree that they are likely mafia together. | ||
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mtamburini
Canada506 Posts
On May 04 2014 14:09 27ninjabunnies wrote: Okay, I can talk finally! I'll read through the last few pages and give yall something to go off of. So here's what we are looking at at the moment. If tamburini got roleblocked, there are two roleblockers in this game, possibly town and mafia. I doubt they would put two mafia rbs or two town rbs. Now, I say this for this reason, I got roleblocked last night. I am neither confirming or denying I am an actual role, I'll leave that up for mafia to decide. However, if town roleblocker roleblocked me, you are an idiot. If mafia roleblocked me, prepared to get wrecked. Also, if town roleblocker blocked mtamburini, you still are an idiot. If mafia roleblocked him, well, still prepare to get wrecked. Now talk over this while I read over the last few pages. ARE YOU FOR CEREAL RIGHT NOW | ||
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mtamburini
Canada506 Posts
On May 04 2014 14:44 Eden1892 wrote: Yeah, bunnies was obviously covered by the jailer imo. If she was townread by a lot of people then of course the jailer would target her to keep her from getting nightkilled. That's what I would have done as the jailer, either her or Amiko. I dont get it please explain | ||
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27ninjabunnies
United States2486 Posts
Then again, I''m not sure how jailer works in forums. It's different in epicmafia and video mafia. | ||
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27ninjabunnies
United States2486 Posts
Is there a problem, tamburini? | ||
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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
On May 04 2014 14:56 27ninjabunnies wrote: Okay, if I was jailed, wouldn't I be told I was jailed and not roleblocked? Then again, I''m not sure how jailer works in forums. It's different in epicmafia and video mafia. I always used this when I previously played as reference for role descriptions: http://mikeburnfire.deviantart.com/art/Mafia-Roles-72597749 It says "he both protects and roleblocks his target" | ||
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Eden1892
United States5866 Posts
I'm assuming the jailkeeper's roleblocking function is the same as a roleblocker's roleblocking function (that is, the target is notified regardless of her status as a power role or not). Let's look at all of the possible roleblocking functions. - mafia roleblocker (MRB) - town roleblocker (TRB) - town jailkeeper (TJK) There are therefore six possible role combinations: MRB/MRB MRB/TRB MRB/TJK TRB/TRB TRB/TJK TJK/TJK And nine possible explanations of what happened last night: #1: MRB/MRB targeted mtamburini/27ninjabunnies #2: MRB targeted tambo, TRB targeted bunnies #3: TRB targeted tambo, MRB targeted bunnies #4: MRB targeted tambo, TJK targeted bunnies #5: TJK targeted tambo, MRB targeted bunnies #6: TRB/TRB targeted tambo/bunnies #7: TRB targeted tambo, TJK targeted bunnies #8: TJK targeted tambo, TRB targeted bunnies #9: TJK/TJK targeted tambo/bunnies Anything involving the town roleblocker targeting bunnies is folly to me, as well as anything involving duplicate pairs. Just an intuitive guess on this one but I don't think there are duplicates of any of those roles. So that leaves #3, #4, #5, and #7. From there, I don't believe that a town-aligned role would roleblock mtamburini, because we were counting on mtamburini shooting Yell0w to confirm his killing-role claim. Therefore we're in scenario #2 and bunnies was jailed. Consequently this proves mtamburini was roleblocked by the mafia, which implies one of two things: 1) Yell0w is mafia and the mafia were protecting him from getting killed 2) Yell0w is town and the mafia were denying information about mtamburini while casting suspicion on Yell0w Next step is to look and see who was throwing suspicion on tambo and Yell0w today. We know sqrt and Epishade were throwing suspicion on Yell0w, I suspect any other mafia members would have been pressing on tambo. | ||
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mtamburini
Canada506 Posts
But that means there are 2 roleblockers. So I gotta reconsider some things now on why you got roleblocked and why did I get roleblocked. 1) Mafia thought you were a role (you're claiming you're not) 2) Town Roleblocker thought you were mafia trying to stop a kill (If that is possible?) My heads spinning right now cant think of much else it could mean | ||
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