Newbie Mini Mafia LV - Page 42

On May 03 2014 12:25 ritoky wrote:


Okay, but that missed the point a bit. I want to know why those reasons make Epishade higher on your town list than yell0w, to the point where in a final 3 situation you would lynch yell0w. Because in my mind the negative there seems a lot larger than those two positives, which begs the question what about yell0w?

On May 03 2014 12:28 Eden1892 wrote:

We've gone over this, career change and finals. I weighed replacing out during D1 but decided to stick to it.

If you're just going to keep harping on irrelevant nonsense like my relative activity level, instead of actually making a case, and refuse to address the concerns I've got about you and others have about you, you can go ahead and get lynched now.

On May 03 2014 12:43 sqrtofneg1 wrote:

I'm sorry, I don't understand what you're saying here.

On April 29 2014 14:18 dravernor wrote:
I think we've been off to a pretty aggressive start already tbh. I now think I am going to be useless at this game because everyone and no-one looks scummy. I think the top two suspects here in my eyes are Epishade and 27ninjabunnies as they have been pressing and deflecting the most for what looks like an early lynch. But, the game is still young and I don't really know many of you yet, so I could be reading wrong completely.

On April 29 2014 14:19 dravernor wrote:
For some reason Yell0w doesn't strike me as scummy, despite all the posts about him.

On April 30 2014 02:29 dravernor wrote:

Hmm, I'm still not sure about Yell0w, he really doesn't seem too suspicious to me after the initial frenzy around his nonchalant post about being mafia, but I am not ruling him out, just watching carefully. He did contradict himself though, as bunnies pointed out.
Also, you make a very good case about Eden - he did throw around a few votes. It definitely didn't go unnoticed that he voted dfs in the same post he said we should give the Euros a chance to wake up before accusing. I'm going to filter Eden's posts when I have a bit more time and try to figure this out.

It turns out that I was still too sleepy to read the posts made before I woke up, so I am rereading through to make sure I understood things properly.

On May 01 2014 02:22 dravernor wrote:
Hello everyone, sorry, I have had a tiring few days at work. I am back now. You have left me a lot to catch up on.
First off:
@Amiko I think maybe my problem is that I am an easily persuaded person. If I think someone looks scummy, filter them, read other arguments against them, I can easily be convinced. When that person makes a good post in their own defense, I go back, read their filter and try to see it from their point of view. I then become uncertain. Hence getting back on the fence quite often.
When I said everyone/no-one looks scummy, I meant that no-one was doing anything OBVIOUSLY scummy at the time but so early on in the game it is hard to get a read on people, and there were very small things like word choices here and there and phrasing that could be interpreted as scummy by almost every player. Which left that sort of conundrum of an 'everybody/nobody'.
As for the overly aggressive/defensive quote, it was more that Epishade and Yell0w were very defensive, and bunnies was very aggressive. This too was early on in the game and before I got around to understanding how bunnies was just trying to put on pressure to get reactions and get the conversation flowing some more. Now I definitely appreciate that pressure as it has revealed a lot more about the players in question and given the rest of us a chance to look at them more in depth.

Thus my read on bunnies has gone from a possible scum play to probably the most town. She really seems the most proactive in hunting right now.
This however does backtrack on my initial possible theory of a clever Epishade/bunnies diversion. I had pretty much discarded this theory anyway in favour of only one of them being scum, and I am still swinging towards Epishade.


This post is probably what set me off most. He then edited it to say *'would have been spot on'. Was his initial post his thought flow? The edit came two minutes after, which seems to me to be a short enough space of time for him to correct a genuine grammar mistake, rather than him reflecting on his wording. This post happens just before he starts defending Yell0w, which then of course raises the possibility that instead of an Epishade/bunnies mafia we could possibly be having an Epishade/Yell0w mafia - as a few of you have already pointed out, most notably in Eden's post:


As Amiko said, I am quite a non-committal person and I know myself well enough to know that I am easily persuaded by good arguments. I'm well aware it is a flaw for this type of game, so I am going to do my best to stick to my convictions from here on in until the suspect player can prove themselves innocent.

My thoughts on Eden - His initial willingness to vote random people for the smallest of reasons was what made me raise an eyebrow, especially as he voted for dfs in the same post he said to give the Euros a chance to post. This made no sense to me. It seemed as though he was willing to cast his vote in any direction for no apparent reason. I have since learned from Amiko that it is a way of getting people to talk about it and possibly force some conversation and defensiveness out of the person targeted. It still struck me as strange though. I am still on the fence on Eden, I think I need to reread his filter, and I will perhaps double post with my thoughts. I will just say that he provided a strong case against Yell0w in my opinion. Prior to that I had been very obviously on the fence about Yell0w.

Which brings me to Yell0w. I don't mean to BW here, but my suspicions have since been raised. At first I thought it was pretty unfair that he was being targeted for a joke, but his comments afterwards made me wonder what the hell he was up to. He clearly didn't respond well to bunnies' pressure which made him a prime suspect (and lead to my interest in Epishade). I then thought perhaps I was reading too much into him and went back to my little fence to watch some more when Eden produced that case study that pushed me a little. Whilst I am still not 100% convinced that Yell0w is scum, he is going to remain high up on my watch list. I guess I am leaning more towards Epishade being scum and if I am right then Yell0w will be the next on my list, but until then I am going to reserve my opinion until I have a little more evidence for Yell0w.

sqrt I really don't understand. He has been posting a lot, and most of them are short posts asking for information on other players. I'm not sure what to make of this at the moment, it could either be extremely town or extremely mafia. It is town in that he is pushing for conversation and wanting input from others (which is a good thing), but I think it could also be pro mafia strategy to avoid giving out too much information himself - the more he asks other people for info and their reads the less he has to talk about his own. I don't like this much. I also get the feeling he is very abrupt. He doesn't beat around the bush much, but when he does he is quite hazy on his views unless pushed to expand. Even then they are fairly short explanations and not really an explanation of his thought process.
I actually just noticed that ritoky mentioned the same things and sqrt responded saying it was his posting style. I think that maintaining that posting style is going to keep him in a negative light for me because I won't get around to understanding him as much as I would like to.

I have a lot more to say on the other players actually, but I don't have enough time right now. Will continue a bit later, and tomorrow is a holiday so I will have PLENTY of time to analyze and read cases. The players I am planning on covering in a bit more depth need a bit more research time for me.

On May 03 2014 08:36 ahswtini wrote:
Ok so mtambrini claimed he was blocked in the night, that still doesn't account for a missing kill, assuming there is a SK.
So: either the SK or Mafia got roleblocked, or the jailkeeper pulled off a save. It's possible the SK or Mafia withheld their shot (the wording of the SK role implies he can withhold the shot "Once per night you can release a player from the game.").
If a town roleblocker did act last night, I would have asked them to come out to us, but the problem is, the jailkeeper could also have been the one blocking the kill. It's not possible to know which one was responsible and we can't ask both of them to come out. And of course there's the increasingly likely possibility that there is no SK in this game.

That all aside, I really believe mtamburini is the vig. If he wasn't, the real vig should have shot him last night. Unless the real vig was roleblocked, but I don't see how Mafia would have access to such knowledge. There's no way any jailkeeper with a clue would have locked up mtamburini last night, so he certainly wasn't protected. Him getting roleblocked was to be expected - he's the only "confirmed" blue in the eyes of the Mafia. Then again there may be no vig in the game, and scum mtamburini lucked out with such a fakeclaim. In which case a big fuck you to the host

On May 03 2014 14:12 27ninjabunnies wrote:
So, I'm a bit drunk/tipsy atm, so I will post tomorrow when I sober up.

However I will post that tamburini is more than likely vigi here, and that he was actually roleblocked. Which means any claims should not be outed until you have a for sure mafia (i'm directing this at cop, if we have one)

I felt as if either amiko or I would most likely die, because of how active we have both been within forums. I think there is enough suspicion on me therefore amiko died over me. Therefore I would definitely look over amiko's reads, and see if anything comes of it. (Though this will be done tomorrow)

I still don't like Sqrt, and would lynch him today with no problem.

On May 03 2014 18:40 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
well first off, its good to be back. I promise from now on ill be posting a lot more so if you have any questions please let me know!

As for reads i'm suspicious of anyone that voted for sweetfrost except for bunnies casue i think she is town. I think it is almost guarenteed that mtamburini is vig as there have been no counterclaimes and that he was roleblocked. Im vanilla town and unfortunately i don't have a role. Just a loyal worshipper of the helix. I think ashwanti is town just cause he voted for me and the fact that i wasn't particualrly active. If bunnies doesn't die at night within the next couple of nights i would like to this she is mafia. However due to the fact that vigi is already known i expect her to live a few more nights which is unfortunate.

As for now i'm pretty suspicious of epishade.

I think dfs is town just cause his thoughts above are soo wrong.

On May 03 2014 13:00 Epishade wrote:
Amiko asked me before he died (god bless his soul) to deliver my thoughts on Dravernor and Sqrt. I did Sqrt in the post above so I'll talk about what I think about Dravernor.

Dravernor started out thinking that me and Bunny were scum early on. I might understand thinking EITHER myself or Bunny was scum, but I think it's weird to pin us both down as suspicious. If anything, I'd say I acted more suspicious than Bunny in that situation because I was defending someone, so it's a little strange he suspected both of us. I feel like he could have been waiting to see what other people thought about the situation so that he might jump on either one of us if people selected one of us to lynch.



Then he says he doesn't believe Yellow is scummy for pretty much no reasoning.



If Dravernor were scum, I can see how this would be an act of going half-way. He says he believes in Yellow's innocence here but doesn't rule out the "possibility" of lynching him if the tides were to turn against Yellow. So basically, he sets himself up for a potential bus in case things go wrong. He continues in taking the side of Yellow's probable innocence, and still doesn't give much reason for his choice.



I could be reading into this too much possibly, and he just didn't really feel like taking a side, but I feel that during a time where most people were talking directly about Yellow and taking sides, it's suspicious that he was reluctant to.

He's since moved Bunny to town (which I agree to) and me to scum (for my defensiveness early on).

However, his recent thoughts on Yellow have changed quite a bit as well.



Here he says he is quite suspicious of Yellow now. It's quite a change, and for reasons I still don't fully understand, but his change from Yellow as probable town (for whatever reason idk) to Yellow as suspicious, at a time when he still could have gone either way based on other people's thoughts on Yellow and not have had people think twice about his decision to do so, leads me to a few choices based on different scenarios.

If Yellow flips town, I'd say Dravernor looks a little scummy in this instance, but not enough to convince me of being full-blown mafia. There's still a possibility that he was concerned that Yellow's strange acting and responses made him think Yellow was scummy enough for him to switch his vote convincingly.

If Yellow flips scum, Dravernor is clear town.

Right now, I'd say Dravernor is neutral for me. Not enough evidence to lynch him. If anything, lynching Yellow would give everybody the most information we'd need right now to move forward, based on whose sides people have taken for and against Yellow.

Though I don't like lynching someone I think is town, especially after I defended them so strongly in the beginning of the game, I think it would give us the most useful information. If someone can convince me to move to a better vote, or something else big happens, I'm not opposed to changing it to someone better.

But just for now,

##VOTE: Yell0w

On May 03 2014 18:40 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
well first off, its good to be back. I promise from now on ill be posting a lot more so if you have any questions please let me know!

As for reads i'm suspicious of anyone that voted for sweetfrost except for bunnies casue i think she is town. I think it is almost guarenteed that mtamburini is vig as there have been no counterclaimes and that he was roleblocked. Im vanilla town and unfortunately i don't have a role. Just a loyal worshipper of the helix. I think ashwanti is town just cause he voted for me and the fact that i wasn't particualrly active. If bunnies doesn't die at night within the next couple of nights i would like to this she is mafia. However due to the fact that vigi is already known i expect her to live a few more nights which is unfortunate.

As for now i'm pretty suspicious of epishade.

I think dfs is town just cause his thoughts above are soo wrong.

On May 04 2014 04:44 sqrtofneg1 wrote:

Epishade is much more clearly town after this.
Assume that I'm town. And that he's mafia. I'm already a bandwagon, it would be easy enough for him to jump on that. But he takes the time to vote yellow.

On May 03 2014 22:46 Yell0w wrote:


How is ahs voting for you in any way indicative that he's town? He could have been sure that a town was getting lynched so he made a random vote that had no impact on anything, and we all think you're suspicious, so it's not like we were going to disagree with his vote.