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Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
May 02 2014 22:53 GMT
#781
On May 03 2014 07:49 mtamburini wrote:
I really wanted a reaction from you first

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“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
mtamburini
Profile Joined February 2014
Canada506 Posts
May 02 2014 22:56 GMT
#782
On May 03 2014 07:51 Eden1892 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2014 07:40 Yell0w wrote:
But really you ask me why I'm alive and then you claim you were roleblocked? Why would you ask if you already knew?

This. mtamburini's play continues to make less than no sense to me.

Show nested quote +
On May 03 2014 07:43 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
I think it was mafia sided roleblocker.
I think I'm the only one who strongly believes yellow is town, and I'm not roleblocker.

Why would a mafsided roleblocker stop mtamburini from killing a town player?


Yeah thats what I mentioned in my 4 scenarios.

My initial reaction was that maybe Yell0w blocked me as town or mafia roleblocker but then I opened up to other possibilities.

The one scenario where I get mafia roleblocked and Yell0w is town is to cause chaos between me and Yellow and deflect pressure off of the mafia team.

Yell0w has posted this already about me and him both being town in this scenario which I want to try and believe but if you are really town then I dont get why they wouldnt want to get another person who is town dead.

My hed is spinning thinking about why I got roleblocked and for what reasons.

I am happy that Jay Leno is dead mafia missed a blue role and killed a person who if ever got lynched wouldve fucked with our minds.
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
May 02 2014 22:56 GMT
#783
On May 03 2014 07:51 Eden1892 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2014 07:40 Yell0w wrote:
But really you ask me why I'm alive and then you claim you were roleblocked? Why would you ask if you already knew?

This. mtamburini's play continues to make less than no sense to me.

Show nested quote +
On May 03 2014 07:43 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
I think it was mafia sided roleblocker.
I think I'm the only one who strongly believes yellow is town, and I'm not roleblocker.

Why would a mafsided roleblocker stop mtamburini from killing a town player?

To push a mislynch on tambo.
Imaginary
mtamburini
Profile Joined February 2014
Canada506 Posts
May 02 2014 22:57 GMT
#784
On May 03 2014 07:53 Eden1892 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2014 07:49 mtamburini wrote:
I really wanted a reaction from you first

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http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/prthrdr.gif

Dont be hating right now of my dance moves.

mtamburini
Profile Joined February 2014
Canada506 Posts
May 02 2014 22:58 GMT
#785
On May 03 2014 07:57 mtamburini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2014 07:53 Eden1892 wrote:
On May 03 2014 07:49 mtamburini wrote:
I really wanted a reaction from you first

[image loading]


http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/prthrdr.gif

Dont be hating right now of my dance moves.



I think you need to teach me how to post gifs because Im a donkey and can only post youtube videos....
Yell0w
Profile Joined April 2014
120 Posts
May 02 2014 23:02 GMT
#786
On May 03 2014 07:49 mtamburini wrote:
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On May 03 2014 07:40 Yell0w wrote:
I'm a normal town guy, so your scenarios 1 and 3 aren't true, I don't think any town was convinced enough that I was town to save me, so 4 is not a possibility imo, the second scenario makes a lot of sense though, since you were the only one who claimed, if they have a roleblocker, there is no reason for them not to use it in case you shoot a mafia, and it causes confusion in town so we don't concentrate on the actual mafia but spend the day talking about you and me.

But really you ask me why I'm alive and then you claim you were roleblocked? Why would you ask if you already knew?


I really wanted a reaction from you first


I don't get how that would indicate anything, either I have no idea why, or I'm mafia and we have a roleblocker in the team, so I would say I have no idea why, or I'm the town roleblocker, so I'd just say I have no idea why, because why would I tell people I'm a roleblocker.

So there is no way you would get anything from my reaction, which would invariably be that I don't know why I'm alive.

There is still 2 other scenarios though, you're mafia or you're town but not the vigi.
mtamburini
Profile Joined February 2014
Canada506 Posts
May 02 2014 23:05 GMT
#787
So FMPOV those scenarios cant be true jjust like FYPOV it couldnt be 134 from my scenarios
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
May 02 2014 23:12 GMT
#788
On May 03 2014 07:56 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2014 07:51 Eden1892 wrote:
On May 03 2014 07:40 Yell0w wrote:
But really you ask me why I'm alive and then you claim you were roleblocked? Why would you ask if you already knew?

This. mtamburini's play continues to make less than no sense to me.

On May 03 2014 07:43 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
I think it was mafia sided roleblocker.
I think I'm the only one who strongly believes yellow is town, and I'm not roleblocker.

Why would a mafsided roleblocker stop mtamburini from killing a town player?

To push a mislynch on tambo.

For one, I think you mean lynched, we don't know tambo is town.

More importantly, though, why? We already established that tambo's night action isn't alignment-indicative unless he did something really dumb (like not shoot at all).

It's weird to me that you're not suggesting Yell0w was framed.
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
mtamburini
Profile Joined February 2014
Canada506 Posts
May 02 2014 23:13 GMT
#789
I was really fishing to see how you would react to a simple null statement that doesnt really have a good answer too (mafia do tend to slip up there) and your reactions thus far are ok for me at the moment. Not off my radar yet but there is other business to conduct.

We can look into sweet and akimo reads on the game and see what they were thinking and somewhat take it into account as genuine reads not fabricated and also look at their voting patterns.

I think both players only voted on one person and never changed to a different person. Akimo was on sweet (who we know is town now) and the other one is sweet (who voted on sqrt)

With 11 people left in the game my suspicion is there is probably a 3-4 man mafia team. So we may in theory only have 1 ML left unless I can shoot correctly tonight and not get role blocked.

mtamburini
Profile Joined February 2014
Canada506 Posts
May 02 2014 23:19 GMT
#790
I dont think theres a world where there is 5 mafia this game so I will be shooting again tonight if we hit scum, if we dont I will consider not shooting in the off chance were at LYLO the next day with 4 mafia and I shoot a town.
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
May 02 2014 23:33 GMT
#791
I think yellow and tambo are town.

I can't really find anything from amiko's filter either, he was significantly more active than sweetfrost, but no on really suspected him.
I'm gonna push an ahs lynch.
##Vote: ahswtini
Imaginary
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22212 Posts
May 02 2014 23:36 GMT
#792
Ok so mtambrini claimed he was blocked in the night, that still doesn't account for a missing kill, assuming there is a SK.
So: either the SK or Mafia got roleblocked, or the jailkeeper pulled off a save. It's possible the SK or Mafia withheld their shot (the wording of the SK role implies he can withhold the shot "Once per night you can release a player from the game.").
If a town roleblocker did act last night, I would have asked them to come out to us, but the problem is, the jailkeeper could also have been the one blocking the kill. It's not possible to know which one was responsible and we can't ask both of them to come out. And of course there's the increasingly likely possibility that there is no SK in this game.

That all aside, I really believe mtamburini is the vig. If he wasn't, the real vig should have shot him last night. Unless the real vig was roleblocked, but I don't see how Mafia would have access to such knowledge. There's no way any jailkeeper with a clue would have locked up mtamburini last night, so he certainly wasn't protected. Him getting roleblocked was to be expected - he's the only "confirmed" blue in the eyes of the Mafia. Then again there may be no vig in the game, and scum mtamburini lucked out with such a fakeclaim. In which case a big fuck you to the host
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
May 02 2014 23:37 GMT
#793
My reasoning is the same as last time.
On May 01 2014 08:04 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
I think Ahswtini is mafia.
9 posts so far.
First post, he wants to lynch Yellow for joke posts.
Second post, he says he doesn't suspect tambo as much b/c he put himself in the spotlight, and he thinks bunny is the most town.
Third post, he says that we don't know how many mafia there are.
Forth post, he turns against tambo, asks him questions.
Fifth post,
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2014 04:32 ahswtini wrote:
On April 30 2014 04:25 Yell0w wrote:
Also, unrelated, but that is actually something I wanted to talk about and forgot, I do think it's really important to act town if you're town, so other townies know you're town too, if no one believes you're town, they won't listen to you, won't lynch with you, it can lead to a mafia win just because the townies weren't being obvious townies so nobody trusted anybody.

I'm going to agree with this, wanting to make a conscious effort to appear town is also indicative of a new town player who lacks confidence. So far, I've been struggling because I want to make posts to avoid getting fos'd as an inactive, but at the same time I don't want to be rehashing existing ideas.

is really just saying that he doesn't want to get killed even though he hasn't been posting much.
Sixth post, he indulges Amiko's request of his thoughts on Sweetfrost.
Seventh post,
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2014 18:32 ahswtini wrote:
On April 30 2014 15:15 Epishade wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Ok, so I've been looking through filters for a while now, and have come up with my likely scumteam candidates: Sweetfrost, Tamburini, and Ritoky. I'll give my reasoning.

The main thing that I can see between these three is that all of them are pushing really hard for Yellow's lynch, but also clearing each other at the same time.

Sweetfrost clears Ritoky as town and is trying to kill Yellow while attempting to discredit Bunny (and Sqrt) through these posts.

On April 30 2014 05:43 Sweetfrost wrote:
I can understand that it seems supicious that I don't want to voice an opinion on everyone in the game but since I'm not really sure what I think about the people I haven't talked about I feel it would be stupid to talk about them. I'm not going to give an state an opinion that I actually don't belive in.

But I'm willing to say that I consider Ritoky cleared as town, I like his analysis and they don't seem supicious and he's not jumping on any bandwagons and instead making good independet analysis. I agree with him that sqrt posts are very numerous, short and prodding at people to make analysis all the time. I believe that it's a sign of sqrt being scum.

So to sum it up.

Cleared : ritoky
Possible scum : Yellow/bunny and sqrt

On April 30 2014 04:57 Sweetfrost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2014 04:40 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Other than your yellow read, what are your reads, @sweetfrost?


Well as I stated I suspect Bunny being scum for his efforts of trying very hard to build up a positive relationship with everyone. See my previous posts.

As for the rest I'm very unsure and still don't want to give a public opinion on anyone since it would just be misleading, I don't have an opinion on the rest yet. So the only thing I'm willing to say right now is that I don't trust Bunny and Yellow.


Sweetfrost's plan was to undermine Bunny by saying that he thought she was trying too hard to play townie. I disagree and think Bunny was moving town in the right direction by engaging Yellow in that initial push.



Ritoky has been slightly accusatory against Sqrt, which is in line with Sweetfrost's opinion on Sqrt as well, as shown in the post above. They are slowly building up support against Sqrt to lynch him at a later time it seems to me.

On April 30 2014 05:26 ritoky wrote:
sqrt:I don't know if it is a stylistic thing or what, but there's something weird here. Lots of prods, short comments, and question asking, not much in the way of legwork. Combine that with the lack of seriousness early on and it just strikes me as all very odd. I don't read him as projecting town in any way; whereas most other people I can read town aspects to what they do and say.

My biggest problem with Ritoky though, is how quickly he changed his opinion on Yellow. He first decided that Yellow was likely not Scum when it seemed that pressure had been taken off Yellow. However, when Yellow was pressured again and started piggybacking off of what I said earlier, I think he saw an opportunity to bandwagon people against Yellow.

On April 29 2014 12:14 ritoky wrote:
I don't think yell0w is scum right now at all, he responded how he responded. It wasn't ideal, but he is sticking to his story saying it was a joke and I don't read him as hyper defensive about it. But you seem to be very pushy about this entire topic and very heavily deflecting for him. It could just be a legitimate read and belief that it is a joke, but you could also be mafia deflecting for another mafia or mafia trying to deflect/pocket a town who faced early pressure.

^Ritoky said this before Yellow got suspicion on him again. His wording here is what throws me off a bit. "I don't think Yellow is scum right now at all." He says this when pressure starts dropping off of yellow. Then, a little later on, Yellow is put back in the spotlight. Eden votes for Yellow, then Ritoky decides to join in by saying he isn't opposed to a lynch. I think he thought that, with other public support against Yellow outside of mafia, he'd be able to bandwagon against Yellow as the first lynch.

On April 30 2014 13:15 ritoky wrote:
@yellow: Regarding your opinion on mtamburini, it may just be a difference of opinion. But you were highly defensive and highly concerned with appearance. And I think it is very right that you are pressured heavily based on that fact.

Regarding what you said about sqrt, I could not agree more with "he did seem to be trying to start conversations when there wasn't one, I just don't think he was doing anything when there was one". And in my mind he just did it again. He said there is nothing going on when you and I were clearly interacting. He just seems to be waiting for everyone else to play the game so that he can pick the winning side. Again, maybe it's a stylistic thing cuz basically nothing he says seems town to me so far, but I just can't find any reason to put him on the good side of the tracks

Here is where he attempts to discredit Sqrt.



Tamburini has been desperately trying to kill Yellow way too hard.

On April 29 2014 12:43 mtamburini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2014 12:35 mtamburini wrote:
On April 29 2014 12:20 Yell0w wrote:
Just before I leave, just one question for rikory, what would have been a better response from me? What was the ideal response?


Wow... Just wow...


Bunnies I think we need to apply pressure back on YELLOW. How should I have responded? If your town you shouldnt care on how to appear more towny. This a classic rookie mafia mistake.

##VOTE: Yell0w

I mentioned this before and I'll say it again. This sounds like a flimsy excuse to me to lynch someone. Obviously town SHOULD care that they appear townie. You want to try everything possible to stop from getting lynched. Acting town AS A TOWNIE is the best way to accomplish that. He even continues his assault below.

On April 29 2014 12:52 mtamburini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2014 12:47 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On April 29 2014 12:43 mtamburini wrote:
On April 29 2014 12:35 mtamburini wrote:
On April 29 2014 12:20 Yell0w wrote:
Just before I leave, just one question for rikory, what would have been a better response from me? What was the ideal response?


Wow... Just wow...


Bunnies I think we need to apply pressure back on YELLOW. How should I have responded? If your town you shouldnt care on how to appear more towny. This a classic rookie mafia mistake.

##VOTE: Yell0w


I was reading that too, tamburini, however, as of now, yellow seems t be much off of the table.
It could also be a rookie town mistake, wanting to know how it made him look scummy instead of townie.


Fuck that shit no one is off the table today, I want this Yell0w person to die after everything thats happened.

1 Sarcasm
2 Asking how I can be more towny is not towny.

These are 2 really good reasons to push harder on Yell0w. I liked bunnies initial push but wasnt ready to jump on board just yet, wanted Yell0w to talk some more and see what they had to say, and I did not like anything said so far.


I believe Tamburini was trying to get Bunny back on Yellow's case so that she might rally other people in support against Yellow so that he and his group would be able to vote for Yellow with the majority of Town.

On April 30 2014 01:16 mtamburini wrote:
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On April 30 2014 00:27 dfs wrote:
@sqrt, to be fair, I never actually called anyone anything, yet. I simply shared my points of interest at that time, and my thoughs on them.
What is interesting to me now is how you just cleared yell0w altogether? A person who is getting the most pressure so far.


I like this fellow. Has not said much of anything but has picked up on something that no one else had really brought up (maybe not even thought about too)

Can you give more details on yellow and/or anyone else?


When dfs comes into the thread and says something against Sqrt, Tamburini says "I like this fellow" and basically nothing else. Once again, he's working one small step at a time to get support against Sqrt with his team. Then he asks dfs what he thinks about Yellow and/or anyone else. He doesn't just say "Can you give more details on anyone?" He makes sure to include Yellow outside of that 'anyone else' so that dfs would be more likely to respond specifically on Yellow. Then, if dfs thought that Yellow was scum, Tamburini would have even more support to lynch Yellow.

------------------------------

I believe that Eden had some good reads to come up with on Yellow (like that he wasn't actively scumhunting) that led to him arriving to vote at Yellow at his own discretion. I still wouldn't classify Eden as scum, but I do disagree with his vote.

tldr:
I think Tamburini, Ritoky, and Sweetfrost are all scum for a couple of factors. They all want to get rid of Yellow. They've shown distrust in me and Bunny, whom I would consider the most town player here so far. They have cleared each other at different times (Tamburini as an exception, hasn't cleared Ritoky and Sweetfrost, but has been cleared by them). And, they've all shown support against Sqrt as well, which I assume is to lynch him easier down the road.

This is a great post. I have nothing insightful of my own to add to the analysis there.

However, out of the three, I think mtamburini is the best lynch here. ritoky and sweetfrost's posts are better in that they talk about many different people, whereas mtamburini seems to be gunning straight for yell0w. Therefore it'll be handier to keep ritoky and sweetfrost around for longer as we can get more information out of them provided they continue their way of posting.

##Vote: mtamburini

he just says he likes the post by epishade, and then wants to lynch tambo.
His most recent post is simply a collection of what's been going on.

Think about it, he hasn't been doing anything really, just saying that he likes this, or saying that he agrees with that. His largest post is a collection of what's been going on. I asked for his reads once, he never said anything about them. He's not useful. He's lurking.
I'm pretty darn sure he's mafia, and if he's not, we will have lynched a townie that hasn't been contributing.
##Vote: ahswtini

Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
May 02 2014 23:37 GMT
#794
On May 03 2014 08:36 ahswtini wrote:
Ok so mtambrini claimed he was blocked in the night, that still doesn't account for a missing kill, assuming there is a SK.
So: either the SK or Mafia got roleblocked, or the jailkeeper pulled off a save. It's possible the SK or Mafia withheld their shot (the wording of the SK role implies he can withhold the shot "Once per night you can release a player from the game.").
If a town roleblocker did act last night, I would have asked them to come out to us, but the problem is, the jailkeeper could also have been the one blocking the kill. It's not possible to know which one was responsible and we can't ask both of them to come out. And of course there's the increasingly likely possibility that there is no SK in this game.

That all aside, I really believe mtamburini is the vig. If he wasn't, the real vig should have shot him last night. Unless the real vig was roleblocked, but I don't see how Mafia would have access to such knowledge. There's no way any jailkeeper with a clue would have locked up mtamburini last night, so he certainly wasn't protected. Him getting roleblocked was to be expected - he's the only "confirmed" blue in the eyes of the Mafia. Then again there may be no vig in the game, and scum mtamburini lucked out with such a fakeclaim. In which case a big fuck you to the host

What if there is no SK?
Imaginary
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22212 Posts
May 02 2014 23:47 GMT
#795
Like I said, it's looking increasingly likely to be the case. All the kills accounted for. Mafia killed amiko, mtamburini was roleblocked.

You're putting your vote on me straight away? Ok, good to know where you stand. I'm waiting for day 2 improved posting that mysterymeat promised us, now that he's unbanned.
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
May 02 2014 23:49 GMT
#796
I would like everyone to improve their posting.
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
May 03 2014 00:07 GMT
#797
Okay ahswtini. You think mystermeat is mafia. Who else is mafia in your point of view?
Imaginary
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
May 03 2014 00:32 GMT
#798
Where is everyone.... is it something I said?
Imaginary
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
May 03 2014 00:35 GMT
#799
On May 03 2014 08:49 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
I would like everyone to improve their posting.


This post wins irony of the month for me. Making dinner, then reading an posting. Already have a strong idea on what I am going to say though.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
May 03 2014 00:53 GMT
#800
I meant posting more actively. Not improving their posting in the sense of writing more per post, because I have no right to say that.
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