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At the immediate end to yesterday's day phase, my belief was that there were 1 or probably two scum on the wagon and since then I am pretty sure it was two. The order before was 1) epishade and 2) sqrt, but now I think that order has flipflopped with sqrt being #1 and epishade being #2. So let's really look into this.
Regarding my new #1 scummer sqrt:
Why you're a scummer:
1) You demand substantially more information from people than you give back. To me this is indicative of two things: either you're mafia or you're the cop. I personally read you as mafia always trying to test the waters and end up on the winning side or at least a side where you'll get the least dirt on you. I haven't really seen you take any significant stance on your own or lead anything. You're always 2nd, 3rd, or 4th to something; and it sure as hell isn't for lack of activity or effort since your filter has 9 pages.
2) This one is very simple, you voted on sweetfrost who imo was CLEARLY town. You get a slight pass because you weren't there at the very end when he started typing in his defense and was beyond a shadow of a doubt town for his lack of desperation and other indicators in his post.
3) Your reaction to lynching a town was: 0 remorse
On May 02 2014 07:57 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
I think we can.
No N1 flavour? awww....
Really? No flavor is what comes to mind? Not, oh crap I just contributed to a townie death for shit reasoning? Not even a single comment here about how he came up town.
4) You wait around for other's to make cases:
On May 02 2014 08:27 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Good.
Now, someone should do a vote analysis.
Or anything really, I want to talk.
"Someone" should do some vote analysis. Yeah, cuz you surely shouldn't even though you have the time to quite obviously. You wouldn't wanna get ahead of yourself and lead anything. Why not wait for someone else to do some analysis so you can make it your own later or follow right behind them.
On May 02 2014 08:36 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Everyone, look through sweetfrost's filters, and tell us your thoughts! Go!
On May 02 2014 08:39 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Well, it's short. I can't seem to find anything really useful. I think it'd be more useful to look at the whole thread and see other people's reactions to him.
You can't find a single useful thing? Not one? Really? Cuz a lot of people didn't think he was scum and a few had him town read. So other people clearly found things, I mean I did. I don't think it's you not finding things, I think it is you not wanting to appear as you found things unless other people did. But wait, this isn't a unique occurrence cuz guess what? It happened again.
On May 03 2014 08:33 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
I think yellow and tambo are town.
I can't really find anything from amiko's filter either, he was significantly more active than sweetfrost, but no on really suspected him.
I'm gonna push an ahs lynch.
##Vote: ahswtini
Now you can't find anything in Amiko's filter? AMIKO's? The person who I think was in every single person in the game's top 3 town with multiple pages of in depth analysis of players and you find not a damn thing? I find this absolutely ridiculous. Maybe I am able to buy you not finding anything in Sweetfrost's filter as the quantity and quality was significantly less. Okay, I guess I can see that. But I am not someone who buy's wolf tickets. You didn't find any info in either? Not buying it.
And not buying you as town.
I will make my case on Epishade in a bit because I have to do some things, but it isn't much different than it was before. I also think that unless Epishade or Yell0w die during the night (nice 1 tambo), that it seems almost inevitable that we will have to lynch between them. I will explain why I think that in the other post later.
but for now let's cap this off with
##vote: sqrtofneg1
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On May 03 2014 10:28 ritoky wrote:At the immediate end to yesterday's day phase, my belief was that there were 1 or probably two scum on the wagon and since then I am pretty sure it was two. The order before was 1) epishade and 2) sqrt, but now I think that order has flipflopped with sqrt being #1 and epishade being #2. So let's really look into this. Regarding my new #1 scummer sqrt: Why you're a scummer: 1) You demand substantially more information from people than you give back. To me this is indicative of two things: either you're mafia or you're the cop. I personally read you as mafia always trying to test the waters and end up on the winning side or at least a side where you'll get the least dirt on you. I haven't really seen you take any significant stance on your own or lead anything. You're always 2nd, 3rd, or 4th to something; and it sure as hell isn't for lack of activity or effort since your filter has 9 pages. 2) This one is very simple, you voted on sweetfrost who imo was CLEARLY town. You get a slight pass because you weren't there at the very end when he started typing in his defense and was beyond a shadow of a doubt town for his lack of desperation and other indicators in his post. 3) Your reaction to lynching a town was: 0 remorse Show nested quote +On May 02 2014 07:57 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
I think we can.
No N1 flavour? awww....
Really? No flavor is what comes to mind? Not, oh crap I just contributed to a townie death for shit reasoning? Not even a single comment here about how he came up town. 4) You wait around for other's to make cases: Show nested quote +On May 02 2014 08:27 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Good.
Now, someone should do a vote analysis.
Or anything really, I want to talk. "Someone" should do some vote analysis. Yeah, cuz you surely shouldn't even though you have the time to quite obviously. You wouldn't wanna get ahead of yourself and lead anything. Why not wait for someone else to do some analysis so you can make it your own later or follow right behind them. Show nested quote +On May 02 2014 08:36 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Everyone, look through sweetfrost's filters, and tell us your thoughts! Go! Show nested quote +On May 02 2014 08:39 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Well, it's short. I can't seem to find anything really useful. I think it'd be more useful to look at the whole thread and see other people's reactions to him. You can't find a single useful thing? Not one? Really? Cuz a lot of people didn't think he was scum and a few had him town read. So other people clearly found things, I mean I did. I don't think it's you not finding things, I think it is you not wanting to appear as you found things unless other people did. But wait, this isn't a unique occurrence cuz guess what? It happened again. Show nested quote +On May 03 2014 08:33 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
I think yellow and tambo are town.
I can't really find anything from amiko's filter either, he was significantly more active than sweetfrost, but no on really suspected him.
I'm gonna push an ahs lynch.
##Vote: ahswtini Now you can't find anything in Amiko's filter? AMIKO's? The person who I think was in every single person in the game's top 3 town with multiple pages of in depth analysis of players and you find not a damn thing? I find this absolutely ridiculous. Maybe I am able to buy you not finding anything in Sweetfrost's filter as the quantity and quality was significantly less. Okay, I guess I can see that. But I am not someone who buy's wolf tickets. You didn't find any info in either? Not buying it. And not buying you as town. I will make my case on Epishade in a bit because I have to do some things, but it isn't much different than it was before. I also think that unless Epishade or Yell0w die during the night (nice 1 tambo), that it seems almost inevitable that we will have to lynch between them. I will explain why I think that in the other post later. but for now let's cap this off with ##vote: sqrtofneg1
#1 I've always indulged people with whatever they asked of me. Not my fault they don't ask me much.
#2 Well, why aren't you going after the other people who voted sweetfrost then? Sure, you have epishade as #2 scum, but what about bunnies?
#3 What about you? Did you have any remorse?
#4 This one I can't argue. I do like to wait to see what others think first, before telling my reads.
As for not finding anything in the filters, I would like you to find something useful. Sweetfrost honestly gave me nothing, and amiko's only showed his thoughts. No one suspected him, no one really directly interacted with him. So his filter also gave me next to nothing.
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I like that you're getting more active, but sorry to tell you this, the whole case is wrong. I'm not mafia.
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On May 03 2014 10:48 sqrtofneg1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2014 10:28 ritoky wrote:At the immediate end to yesterday's day phase, my belief was that there were 1 or probably two scum on the wagon and since then I am pretty sure it was two. The order before was 1) epishade and 2) sqrt, but now I think that order has flipflopped with sqrt being #1 and epishade being #2. So let's really look into this. Regarding my new #1 scummer sqrt: Why you're a scummer: 1) You demand substantially more information from people than you give back. To me this is indicative of two things: either you're mafia or you're the cop. I personally read you as mafia always trying to test the waters and end up on the winning side or at least a side where you'll get the least dirt on you. I haven't really seen you take any significant stance on your own or lead anything. You're always 2nd, 3rd, or 4th to something; and it sure as hell isn't for lack of activity or effort since your filter has 9 pages. 2) This one is very simple, you voted on sweetfrost who imo was CLEARLY town. You get a slight pass because you weren't there at the very end when he started typing in his defense and was beyond a shadow of a doubt town for his lack of desperation and other indicators in his post. 3) Your reaction to lynching a town was: 0 remorse On May 02 2014 07:57 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
I think we can.
No N1 flavour? awww....
Really? No flavor is what comes to mind? Not, oh crap I just contributed to a townie death for shit reasoning? Not even a single comment here about how he came up town. 4) You wait around for other's to make cases: On May 02 2014 08:27 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Good.
Now, someone should do a vote analysis.
Or anything really, I want to talk. "Someone" should do some vote analysis. Yeah, cuz you surely shouldn't even though you have the time to quite obviously. You wouldn't wanna get ahead of yourself and lead anything. Why not wait for someone else to do some analysis so you can make it your own later or follow right behind them. On May 02 2014 08:36 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Everyone, look through sweetfrost's filters, and tell us your thoughts! Go! On May 02 2014 08:39 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Well, it's short. I can't seem to find anything really useful. I think it'd be more useful to look at the whole thread and see other people's reactions to him. You can't find a single useful thing? Not one? Really? Cuz a lot of people didn't think he was scum and a few had him town read. So other people clearly found things, I mean I did. I don't think it's you not finding things, I think it is you not wanting to appear as you found things unless other people did. But wait, this isn't a unique occurrence cuz guess what? It happened again. On May 03 2014 08:33 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
I think yellow and tambo are town.
I can't really find anything from amiko's filter either, he was significantly more active than sweetfrost, but no on really suspected him.
I'm gonna push an ahs lynch.
##Vote: ahswtini Now you can't find anything in Amiko's filter? AMIKO's? The person who I think was in every single person in the game's top 3 town with multiple pages of in depth analysis of players and you find not a damn thing? I find this absolutely ridiculous. Maybe I am able to buy you not finding anything in Sweetfrost's filter as the quantity and quality was significantly less. Okay, I guess I can see that. But I am not someone who buy's wolf tickets. You didn't find any info in either? Not buying it. And not buying you as town. I will make my case on Epishade in a bit because I have to do some things, but it isn't much different than it was before. I also think that unless Epishade or Yell0w die during the night (nice 1 tambo), that it seems almost inevitable that we will have to lynch between them. I will explain why I think that in the other post later. but for now let's cap this off with ##vote: sqrtofneg1 #1 I've always indulged people with whatever they asked of me. Not my fault they don't ask me much. #2 Well, why aren't you going after the other people who voted sweetfrost then? Sure, you have epishade as #2 scum, but what about bunnies? #3 What about you? Did you have any remorse? #4 This one I can't argue. I do like to wait to see what others think first, before telling my reads. As for not finding anything in the filters, I would like you to find something useful. Sweetfrost honestly gave me nothing, and amiko's only showed his thoughts. No one suspected him, no one really directly interacted with him. So his filter also gave me next to nothing.
#1 Why do you have to be prompted or pinged in order to share your thoughts and reads? To me, being open and forthright reads town and hiding and waiting reads as having something to hide, whether its a role or mafia. And I don't have a role read on you.
#2 I personally thought we were going to wake up with bunnies dead since she was top of a lot of people's town list, but if Epishade is mafia like I think perhaps he believes he is in her pockets, so she is more valuable alive to him than Amiko was.
#3 I think you don't read my posts. I got to my phone 7 minutes late, and wanted to switch my vote to you; and I was nearly irate that people didn't read his lack of desperation as CLEARLY town. I would also like to note that you were the hammer vote (last vote) on a townie. And then just moved on...how is that not scummy?
#4 What can I say, I am probably gonna read that method of play as scummy 8 times outta 10 then, to me it just seems like you are waiting to pick the side that ends up least dirty. You just have too much of a self-preservationist approach to appear as VT to me, and like I said, I don't have a role read on you; so that leaves 1 option. The one I arrived at.
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On May 03 2014 11:11 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2014 10:48 sqrtofneg1 wrote:On May 03 2014 10:28 ritoky wrote:At the immediate end to yesterday's day phase, my belief was that there were 1 or probably two scum on the wagon and since then I am pretty sure it was two. The order before was 1) epishade and 2) sqrt, but now I think that order has flipflopped with sqrt being #1 and epishade being #2. So let's really look into this. Regarding my new #1 scummer sqrt: Why you're a scummer: 1) You demand substantially more information from people than you give back. To me this is indicative of two things: either you're mafia or you're the cop. I personally read you as mafia always trying to test the waters and end up on the winning side or at least a side where you'll get the least dirt on you. I haven't really seen you take any significant stance on your own or lead anything. You're always 2nd, 3rd, or 4th to something; and it sure as hell isn't for lack of activity or effort since your filter has 9 pages. 2) This one is very simple, you voted on sweetfrost who imo was CLEARLY town. You get a slight pass because you weren't there at the very end when he started typing in his defense and was beyond a shadow of a doubt town for his lack of desperation and other indicators in his post. 3) Your reaction to lynching a town was: 0 remorse On May 02 2014 07:57 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
I think we can.
No N1 flavour? awww....
Really? No flavor is what comes to mind? Not, oh crap I just contributed to a townie death for shit reasoning? Not even a single comment here about how he came up town. 4) You wait around for other's to make cases: On May 02 2014 08:27 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Good.
Now, someone should do a vote analysis.
Or anything really, I want to talk. "Someone" should do some vote analysis. Yeah, cuz you surely shouldn't even though you have the time to quite obviously. You wouldn't wanna get ahead of yourself and lead anything. Why not wait for someone else to do some analysis so you can make it your own later or follow right behind them. On May 02 2014 08:36 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Everyone, look through sweetfrost's filters, and tell us your thoughts! Go! On May 02 2014 08:39 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Well, it's short. I can't seem to find anything really useful. I think it'd be more useful to look at the whole thread and see other people's reactions to him. You can't find a single useful thing? Not one? Really? Cuz a lot of people didn't think he was scum and a few had him town read. So other people clearly found things, I mean I did. I don't think it's you not finding things, I think it is you not wanting to appear as you found things unless other people did. But wait, this isn't a unique occurrence cuz guess what? It happened again. On May 03 2014 08:33 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
I think yellow and tambo are town.
I can't really find anything from amiko's filter either, he was significantly more active than sweetfrost, but no on really suspected him.
I'm gonna push an ahs lynch.
##Vote: ahswtini Now you can't find anything in Amiko's filter? AMIKO's? The person who I think was in every single person in the game's top 3 town with multiple pages of in depth analysis of players and you find not a damn thing? I find this absolutely ridiculous. Maybe I am able to buy you not finding anything in Sweetfrost's filter as the quantity and quality was significantly less. Okay, I guess I can see that. But I am not someone who buy's wolf tickets. You didn't find any info in either? Not buying it. And not buying you as town. I will make my case on Epishade in a bit because I have to do some things, but it isn't much different than it was before. I also think that unless Epishade or Yell0w die during the night (nice 1 tambo), that it seems almost inevitable that we will have to lynch between them. I will explain why I think that in the other post later. but for now let's cap this off with ##vote: sqrtofneg1 #1 I've always indulged people with whatever they asked of me. Not my fault they don't ask me much. #2 Well, why aren't you going after the other people who voted sweetfrost then? Sure, you have epishade as #2 scum, but what about bunnies? #3 What about you? Did you have any remorse? #4 This one I can't argue. I do like to wait to see what others think first, before telling my reads. As for not finding anything in the filters, I would like you to find something useful. Sweetfrost honestly gave me nothing, and amiko's only showed his thoughts. No one suspected him, no one really directly interacted with him. So his filter also gave me next to nothing. #1 Why do you have to be prompted or pinged in order to share your thoughts and reads? To me, being open and forthright reads town and hiding and waiting reads as having something to hide, whether its a role or mafia. And I don't have a role read on you. #2 I personally thought we were going to wake up with bunnies dead since she was top of a lot of people's town list, but if Epishade is mafia like I think perhaps he believes he is in her pockets, so she is more valuable alive to him than Amiko was. #3 I think you don't read my posts. I got to my phone 7 minutes late, and wanted to switch my vote to you; and I was nearly irate that people didn't read his lack of desperation as CLEARLY town. I would also like to note that you were the hammer vote (last vote) on a townie. And then just moved on...how is that not scummy? #4 What can I say, I am probably gonna read that method of play as scummy 8 times outta 10 then, to me it just seems like you are waiting to pick the side that ends up least dirty. You just have too much of a self-preservationist approach to appear as VT to me, and like I said, I don't have a role read on you; so that leaves 1 option. The one I arrived at.
#1 That's how I play. Look at the other games I've played in. (the previous 2 newbie mini mafia games)
#2 Haha no. If anything, Epishade is in bunnies' pocket.
#3 Well, do you expect me to cry over something that's over? What's done is done. We mislynched.
#4 Well, that's your read. I know that it's wrong.
I'm not mafia.
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Now the question is, are you doing this from a town perspective or from a mafia perspective? Personally, I think you're town too. If you want to win, you don't want to lynch me; I'm not mafia.
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Since you like being prompted, I think it is an inevitability that at some point in this game we will have to either lynch between epishade and yell0w or vigi shoot one or both. Do you agree or disagree? and why?
Actions speak louder than words, there's plenty of time in the day for you to fall from #1 scummer. I mean, epishade isn't that far behind.
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I agree that there probably is gonna be a time where we have to lynch between epishade an yellow. However, I think both are town. If it's me, epishade and yellow left, I think I will have to go for the yellow lynch tho.
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Hey sorry for not saying much guys. I'm at my grandma's for the weekend and I can't really play much during the day. I'll have to play during the night when she's asleep for now, but I should be better when I get back to my dorm late sunday or monday. I'm catching up now on what I missed and if I see anything to respond to or points I feel should be brought up I'll try to answer them.
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On May 03 2014 11:29 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
I agree that there probably is gonna be a time where we have to lynch between epishade an yellow. However, I think both are town. If it's me, epishade and yellow left, I think I will have to go for the yellow lynch tho.
What? You hadn't expressed a strong opinion about Epishade. But you had on Yell0w:
On May 03 2014 07:43 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
I think it was mafia sided roleblocker.
I think I'm the only one who strongly believes yellow is town, and I'm not roleblocker.
Yet if it were 3p LYLO with Yell0w and Epishade you'd lynch Yell0w?
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Okay, so let's enter the magical land where you're not in this game anymore. The next person on my list is Epishade, but you think that Epishade is at least higher than yell0w on your town list. I would like you to give me the #1 reason he is above yell0w on your town list AND a reason you're suspicious of Epishade. If you have 0 suspicions of him, I would like to know how that's possible.
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On May 03 2014 11:32 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2014 11:29 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
I agree that there probably is gonna be a time where we have to lynch between epishade an yellow. However, I think both are town. If it's me, epishade and yellow left, I think I will have to go for the yellow lynch tho. What? You hadn't expressed a strong opinion about Epishade. But you had on Yell0w: Show nested quote +On May 03 2014 07:43 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
I think it was mafia sided roleblocker.
I think I'm the only one who strongly believes yellow is town, and I'm not roleblocker. Yet if it were 3p LYLO with Yell0w and Epishade you'd lynch Yell0w?
Yes, I have. My first reads.
Yes, I think I would lynch yellow.
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Your "first read" which you haven't seriously pushed or discussed since, you'd trust over a more recent read you actively defended against accusations of being scum?
When I said "look for people whose actions don't match their words," this is what I mean. I don't buy it.
##UNVOTE
##VOTE: sqrtofneg1
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On May 03 2014 11:33 ritoky wrote:
Okay, so let's enter the magical land where you're not in this game anymore. The next person on my list is Epishade, but you think that Epishade is at least higher than yell0w on your town list. I would like you to give me the #1 reason he is above yell0w on your town list AND a reason you're suspicious of Epishade. If you have 0 suspicions of him, I would like to know how that's possible.
I townread epishade initially because he had taken the time to look at the other games.
What reenforced my townread was that he was contributing. He was doing what a good townie should do.
My suspicions of him included the votecount, which I made a mistake on, and that he's sheeping most of the time.
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On May 03 2014 11:43 Eden1892 wrote:
Your "first read" which you haven't seriously pushed or discussed since, you'd trust over a more recent read you actively defended against accusations of being scum?
When I said "look for people whose actions don't match their words," this is what I mean. I don't buy it.
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##VOTE: sqrtofneg1
You know what I don't buy? I don't buy how you were so active last newbie game, but you're so inactive, in comparison, in this newbie game. I don't buy that.
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Ok, so I see my name getting thrown around quite a bit between Yellow and Sqrt.
Ritoky seems to be still unwilling to accept my defense of Yellow that I've given before multiple times. I view this as stubborn town more so than anything. The fact that I placed him in my scum team along with Tamburini and Sweetfrost is also enough reason for me to see his justification in his thinking I'm scum. When those two turned up not mafia (well, I think it's clear Tamburini isn't mafia anyways), I'm not surprised he thinks I'm mafia leading town astray and wants to get rid of me. He's also suspicious of Sqrt because Sqrt believes I'm town. Probable town for me.
Sqrt has been talking a lot and attempting to get everyone's reads on the situation. He may not be doing the most in-depth scum hunting in this game right now, as it seems he's asking a lot of small questions and leaving small responses, but I don't find that indicative of scum. He suggests other people do the theories and scum-hunting and stuff, but I feel that he's getting the information out there for people to actually use when someone does come up with some more theories. I felt that he was town early in this game because a lot of his responses seemed to be exactly what I was thinking at the time and were based on logical conclusions. Also probable town for me.
Eden seems to have a lot of town contributions under him. He pushed for that Tamburini vote pretty hard after Tamburini claimed vigi. I feel that we should have let the problem work itself out, and it seems to have done so for now. I think we're pretty clear that Tamburini isn't mafia at this point (that would have been a BOLD claim for Tamburini to make if he were) and I still think we get more information out of lynching other suspected people. Neutral for me right now.
Sorry if I'm a bit slow in responding, this mouse and keyboard I'm working with sucks, and I refreshed in chrome to see new responses and my whole reply I had typed up got deleted! (lol). It doesn't do that in firefox dammit!
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Epishade, you better not be mafia.
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I'm not.
I really hope Yellow isn't mafia because then I'm screwed lol.
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On May 03 2014 11:45 sqrtofneg1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2014 11:33 ritoky wrote:
Okay, so let's enter the magical land where you're not in this game anymore. The next person on my list is Epishade, but you think that Epishade is at least higher than yell0w on your town list. I would like you to give me the #1 reason he is above yell0w on your town list AND a reason you're suspicious of Epishade. If you have 0 suspicions of him, I would like to know how that's possible. I townread epishade initially because he had taken the time to look at the other games. What reenforced my townread was that he was contributing. He was doing what a good townie should do. My suspicions of him included the votecount, which I made a mistake on, and that he's sheeping most of the time.
Okay, but that missed the point a bit. I want to know why those reasons make Epishade higher on your town list than yell0w, to the point where in a final 3 situation you would lynch yell0w. Because in my mind the negative there seems a lot larger than those two positives, which begs the question what about yell0w?
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On May 03 2014 11:48 sqrtofneg1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2014 11:43 Eden1892 wrote:
Your "first read" which you haven't seriously pushed or discussed since, you'd trust over a more recent read you actively defended against accusations of being scum?
When I said "look for people whose actions don't match their words," this is what I mean. I don't buy it.
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##VOTE: sqrtofneg1 You know what I don't buy? I don't buy how you were so active last newbie game, but you're so inactive, in comparison, in this newbie game. I don't buy that.
We've gone over this, career change and finals. I weighed replacing out during D1 but decided to stick to it.
If you're just going to keep harping on irrelevant nonsense like my relative activity level, instead of actually making a case, and refuse to address the concerns I've got about you and others have about you, you can go ahead and get lynched now.
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