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Vote (slave) count:
MysteryMeat1 (2): Eden1892, ahswtini, Epishade
dfs (0): MysteryMeat1
dravernor (3): 27ninjabunnies, Yell0w, Eden1892
Epishade (1): MysteryMeat1, MysteryMeat1
Not voting (3): mtamburini, dfs, dravernor
Currently, dravernor is set to be lynched.
Deadline is Wednesday, May 07 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (in ).
Voting is mandatory!
+ Show Spoiler [Vote counter log] +VOTE: MysteryMeat1 voted epishade (Epishade) ( post) VOTE: Eden1892 voted MysteryMeat1 ( post) VOTE: 27ninjabunnies voted Dravernor (dravernor) ( post) VOTE: ahswtini voted MysteryMeat1 ( post) VOTE: Epishade voted MysteryMeat1 ( post) VOTE: MysteryMeat1 unvoted Epishade ( post) VOTE: MysteryMeat1 voted dfs ( post) VOTE: MysteryMeat1 unvoted dfs ( post) VOTE: MysteryMeat1 voted Epishade ( post) VOTE: Yell0w voted dravernor ( post) VOTE: Eden1892 unvoted MysteryMeat1 ( post) VOTE: Eden1892 voted dravernor ( post)
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Wait, what? You think me, dravernor and ahs are all mafia? Didn't I just vote against Dravernor? It's stuff like this that makes me think you're mafia leading town astray. You pushed tamburini day 1, arguing he wasn't mafia or vigi, when maybe you did think he was vigi and wanted to kill him, then you pushed sqrt day 2, who was town. Then you voted for meat, people followed you, now your new reads don't make much sense, but it seems likely we will lynch dravernor if nobody says anything and you don't change your vote, because people follow you, I'm not sure why.
So I'm going to change my vote, people can follow me or not, I think you're scum and it's the second time you put me as scum, both times right after I said I thought you were suspicious, and then when I say I think you're town, you think I'm town too, now THAT's suspicious.
##UNVOTE
##Vote: Eden1892
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Russian Federation4050 Posts
Yellow doesn't want to "waste" his vote on Eden (and the only suspicion he has on him is his "gut feeling") so he votes a dravernor who has the least interaction to anyone throughout the whole game, which makes him the easiest bw target right now (which is exactly what is happening as i see it). Then after Eden's post he immediately switches his vote back to Eden, because he calls you suspicios again. Suddenly not a waste of a vote anymore.
Still, the mafia who's hiding in plain sight is more dangerous, so:
##Vote: MysteryMeat1
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So you just made a summary of what just happened? And then vote for someone you didn't talk about in your post? Great post dfs, great post.
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Russian Federation4050 Posts
On May 08 2014 04:23 Yell0w wrote:
So you just made a summary of what just happened? And then vote for someone you didn't talk about in your post? Great post dfs, great post.
You mean someone who i talked about for 3 previous posts? Can you at least pretend that you're paying attention?
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Both dfs and ahs have voted silently, i switched my vote to drav just because of the way the lynch system works.
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On May 08 2014 03:56 Yell0w wrote:
Wait, what? You think me, dravernor and ahs are all mafia? Didn't I just vote against Dravernor? It's stuff like this that makes me think you're mafia leading town astray. You pushed tamburini day 1, arguing he wasn't mafia or vigi, when maybe you did think he was vigi and wanted to kill him, then you pushed sqrt day 2, who was town. Then you voted for meat, people followed you, now your new reads don't make much sense, but it seems likely we will lynch dravernor if nobody says anything and you don't change your vote, because people follow you, I'm not sure why.
So I'm going to change my vote, people can follow me or not, I think you're scum and it's the second time you put me as scum, both times right after I said I thought you were suspicious, and then when I say I think you're town, you think I'm town too, now THAT's suspicious.
##UNVOTE
##Vote: Eden1892
So what if you did? All that does for me is increase my suspicion that we're at LYLO. If you are mafia, you killing a teammate doesn't bring you any closer to defeat; you still only need to force one mislynch.
If that's a case against me in the first paragraph, I don't understand it. Sounds like you're saying that because I've been trying to get my scum (or in d1 tambo's case anti-town) reads lynched, I'm mafia. Which doesn't make sense at all.
The second paragraph is hella amusing because I was on you before you did anything of note against me d1 and I forgot about you in my initial list of reads from today. If there's one thing that doesn't point to it's "I care about what Yell0w thinks about me." And then in the same post where you vote for me after I call you suspicious, when previously you said it wasn't worth going after me today, you say that I'm suspicious because I'm reacting to you. If anyone's reacting to anyone else here, you're reacting to me.
Yell0w is obviously mafia here y'all, I think I've got our scumteam with dravernor/ashwtini/Yell0w. He's clearly alarmed by the fact that I went from not seriously calling attention to any of them on d2 and thus far in d3 to coming out against all three of them, which is informing his change of heart from "Eden is maybe suspicious but not really worth my time" to "die die die die die."
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Northern Ireland22208 Posts
Why are you voting drav now when you were talking about lynching mafia power role dfs?
For the record, I did not vote silently, I made a rather long post about you, and voted after that.
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Northern Ireland22208 Posts
On May 08 2014 04:37 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2014 03:56 Yell0w wrote:
Wait, what? You think me, dravernor and ahs are all mafia? Didn't I just vote against Dravernor? It's stuff like this that makes me think you're mafia leading town astray. You pushed tamburini day 1, arguing he wasn't mafia or vigi, when maybe you did think he was vigi and wanted to kill him, then you pushed sqrt day 2, who was town. Then you voted for meat, people followed you, now your new reads don't make much sense, but it seems likely we will lynch dravernor if nobody says anything and you don't change your vote, because people follow you, I'm not sure why.
So I'm going to change my vote, people can follow me or not, I think you're scum and it's the second time you put me as scum, both times right after I said I thought you were suspicious, and then when I say I think you're town, you think I'm town too, now THAT's suspicious.
##UNVOTE
##Vote: Eden1892 So what if you did? All that does for me is increase my suspicion that we're at LYLO. If you are mafia, you killing a teammate doesn't bring you any closer to defeat; you still only need to force one mislynch. If that's a case against me in the first paragraph, I don't understand it. Sounds like you're saying that because I've been trying to get my scum (or in d1 tambo's case anti-town) reads lynched, I'm mafia. Which doesn't make sense at all. The second paragraph is hella amusing because I was on you before you did anything of note against me d1 and I forgot about you in my initial list of reads from today. If there's one thing that doesn't point to it's "I care about what Yell0w thinks about me." And then in the same post where you vote for me after I call you suspicious, when previously you said it wasn't worth going after me today, you say that I'm suspicious because I'm reacting to you. If anyone's reacting to anyone else here, you're reacting to me. Yell0w is obviously mafia here y'all, I think I've got our scumteam with dravernor/ashwtini/Yell0w. He's clearly alarmed by the fact that I went from not seriously calling attention to any of them on d2 and thus far in d3 to coming out against all three of them, which is informing his change of heart from "Eden is maybe suspicious but not really worth my time" to "die die die die die."
Mafia yellow makes no sense, why wouldn't they roleblock mtamburini again to keep yellow alive, instead of throwing it seemingly randomly at meat? If you're going to say yellow is mafia, you should throw mtamburini in there too because although ridiculous, that's the only scenario that makes sense.
The fact that you've got two people who I'm sure are town in your list means you're either completely on the wrong track, or you're pushing hard for a mislynch.
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Northern Ireland22208 Posts
On May 08 2014 04:38 ahswtini wrote:
Why are you voting drav now when you were talking about lynching mafia power role dfs?
For the record, I did not vote silently, I made a rather long post about you, and voted after that.
This post was directed at mysterymeat
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Vote (slave) count:
Eden1892 (1): Yell0w
MysteryMeat1 (3): Eden1892, ahswtini, Epishade, dfs
dfs (0): MysteryMeat1
dravernor (4): 27ninjabunnies, Yell0w, Eden1892, MysteryMeat1, mtamburini
Epishade (0): MysteryMeat1, MysteryMeat1
Not voting (1): dravernor
Currently, dravernor is set to be lynched.
Deadline is Wednesday, May 07 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (in ).
Voting is mandatory!
+ Show Spoiler [Vote counter log] +VOTE: MysteryMeat1 voted epishade (Epishade) ( post) VOTE: Eden1892 voted MysteryMeat1 ( post) VOTE: 27ninjabunnies voted Dravernor (dravernor) ( post) VOTE: ahswtini voted MysteryMeat1 ( post) VOTE: Epishade voted MysteryMeat1 ( post) VOTE: MysteryMeat1 unvoted Epishade ( post) VOTE: MysteryMeat1 voted dfs ( post) VOTE: MysteryMeat1 unvoted dfs ( post) VOTE: MysteryMeat1 voted Epishade ( post) VOTE: Yell0w voted dravernor ( post) VOTE: Eden1892 unvoted MysteryMeat1 ( post) VOTE: Eden1892 voted dravernor ( post) VOTE: Yell0w unvoted dravernor ( post) VOTE: Yell0w voted Eden1892 ( post) VOTE: dfs voted MysteryMeat1 ( post) WARNING: MysteryMeat1 changed vote without unvote ( post) VOTE: MysteryMeat1 unvoted Epishade ( post) VOTE: MysteryMeat1 voted dravernor ( post) VOTE: mtamburini voted Dravernor (dravernor) ( post)
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On May 08 2014 04:41 ahswtini wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2014 04:37 Eden1892 wrote:On May 08 2014 03:56 Yell0w wrote:
Wait, what? You think me, dravernor and ahs are all mafia? Didn't I just vote against Dravernor? It's stuff like this that makes me think you're mafia leading town astray. You pushed tamburini day 1, arguing he wasn't mafia or vigi, when maybe you did think he was vigi and wanted to kill him, then you pushed sqrt day 2, who was town. Then you voted for meat, people followed you, now your new reads don't make much sense, but it seems likely we will lynch dravernor if nobody says anything and you don't change your vote, because people follow you, I'm not sure why.
So I'm going to change my vote, people can follow me or not, I think you're scum and it's the second time you put me as scum, both times right after I said I thought you were suspicious, and then when I say I think you're town, you think I'm town too, now THAT's suspicious.
##UNVOTE
##Vote: Eden1892 So what if you did? All that does for me is increase my suspicion that we're at LYLO. If you are mafia, you killing a teammate doesn't bring you any closer to defeat; you still only need to force one mislynch. If that's a case against me in the first paragraph, I don't understand it. Sounds like you're saying that because I've been trying to get my scum (or in d1 tambo's case anti-town) reads lynched, I'm mafia. Which doesn't make sense at all. The second paragraph is hella amusing because I was on you before you did anything of note against me d1 and I forgot about you in my initial list of reads from today. If there's one thing that doesn't point to it's "I care about what Yell0w thinks about me." And then in the same post where you vote for me after I call you suspicious, when previously you said it wasn't worth going after me today, you say that I'm suspicious because I'm reacting to you. If anyone's reacting to anyone else here, you're reacting to me. Yell0w is obviously mafia here y'all, I think I've got our scumteam with dravernor/ashwtini/Yell0w. He's clearly alarmed by the fact that I went from not seriously calling attention to any of them on d2 and thus far in d3 to coming out against all three of them, which is informing his change of heart from "Eden is maybe suspicious but not really worth my time" to "die die die die die." Mafia yellow makes no sense, why wouldn't they roleblock mtamburini again to keep yellow alive, instead of throwing it seemingly randomly at meat? If you're going to say yellow is mafia, you should throw mtamburini in there too because although ridiculous, that's the only scenario that makes sense. The fact that you've got two people who I'm sure are town in your list means you're either completely on the wrong track, or you're pushing hard for a mislynch.
I assume they read meat as a power role. I don't know why they did, I don't see it and I think roleblocking meat gave someone who potentially could have been mislynched credibility (see bunnies' insistence on not killing meat today). But that's the only reason meat would get roleblocked in the first place, so it stands to reason that they feared meat's hypothetical role more than tambo's actual role. Maybe they thought tambo was going to shoot someone besides Yell0w? He didn't give any indication that he was shooting Yell0w that night.
I don't understand your last comment though. Presumably you're one of the two people you're sure are town. If the other is Yell0w, which your post implies, why are you saying I'm pushing for a mislynch when I'm voting for dravernor?
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i explained already ahs, on why i switched my vote to drav....
The way lynch system works is that both drav and I are tied at 3 votes, drav is going to come online vote for me in order to save herself, even though she thinks im town. Then if i switch my vote to drav, i'll still be the one getting lynched. Also ahs, if you believe that both dfs and i are devo scum as you posted earlier, then switch your vote to dfs... Its pretty clear that i'm not going to get lynched.
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So what if you did? All that does for me is increase my suspicion that we're at LYLO. If you are mafia, you killing a teammate doesn't bring you any closer to defeat; you still only need to force one mislynch.
So that clearly doesn't make sense, it definitely puts me further from victory, why wouldn't I just take the easy win and lynch meat when he already had 3 votes if I'm mafia with drav and ahs?
If that's a case against me in the first paragraph, I don't understand it. Sounds like you're saying that because I've been trying to get my scum (or in d1 tambo's case anti-town) reads lynched, I'm mafia. Which doesn't make sense at all.
You've been actively leading town in the wrong direction, because you've been only targeting towns. I don't see how that doesn't make you suspicious.
The second paragraph is hella amusing because I was on you before you did anything of note against me d1 and I forgot about you in my initial list of reads from today. If there's one thing that doesn't point to it's "I care about what Yell0w thinks about me." And then in the same post where you vote for me after I call you suspicious, when previously you said it wasn't worth going after me today, you say that I'm suspicious because I'm reacting to you. If anyone's reacting to anyone else here, you're reacting to me.
No, you didn't say anything against me at the beginning when bunnies was on me, then I said I thought you were the most suspicious and then you arrive and make a huge case against me, you're clearly remembering wrong. And the argument isn't that you care what I think about you, it's that you care what people in general think about you and you just want to lynch them for thinking you're suspicious, which isn't at all what you should be doing if you're town, but it is exactly what you should do as mafia. And yes I'm reacting to you acting scummy, what's wrong with that?
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On May 08 2014 02:03 MysteryMeat1 wrote:@epishade, your obviously scum http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=956&topic_id=4479551.) If you think Eden is scum, why are you voting for the person that eden votes for in MYLO, if eden is scum then he isn't going to vote for another scum... But since your scum your reasoning will be to clear me as town or something. 2.) You also say that you might give your reads on ahs if you had time, only to post an hour later with nothing about him. 3.) I would also say my reasoning for ritoky's death was thought out, and that it seems really scummy that you would sweep it under the rug like that. 4.) I also don't get your reasoning on eden, You told everyone he was scum, he made even more moves you disagree with such as asking for tam's shot during the night, and then suddenly you say that you are going to hold off on eden and that you will decide later whether he is town or not?!?!? Your whole entire town play this game has just been a series of fake pressures and being incredibly inconsistent with your claims on whose town and whose mafia. In fact you only call out people who are town to place them under suspicion. I appluad your efforts, but when it comes to people who i know are mafia like ahs, you say you will post your thoughts and then never talk about them again. I'm soo coninced epi is mafia, I switched my vote from epi to dfs, but im just going to switch it back to epi.
Alright, I finished my final early so I can actually do something now.
1.) I thought Eden was scum at first, but his answers have been satisfactory enough for me right now. He responded to my points I made, and I made that dumb observation of my point#3. This lowered him to "probably not scum" for me. Then he voted for you, and then I voted for you. Your observation is false here. I didn't think Eden was scum, and then vote for the person scum votes for. What sense would that make?
2.) I looked through Ashwtini's filter and nothing stood out to me more than anybody else. He bandwagon voted for Tamburini when I made a case against him before Tamburini claimed, but then he backed off after the claim and voted for you when nobody else had voted for you. I think that was a bit scummy to me, voting for his potential teammate when nobody else did as a way to make it look like they were town.
However, in the past day, Ashwtini has voted for you again with only Eden to vote for you to begin with. It could be that you're the next bandwagon and that Ashwtini thinks to get rid of you because you're town, and I don't think he's bussing you here. But you're throwing off more scummyness than he is for me through his votes here.
3.) I think it's still scummy that you're pushing this and that you can't see the faulty logic behind lynching the person who the dead guy thought was scum. It's an obvious ploy for mafia to support to lynch someone by shooting the guy who's most vocal about someone being scum.
4.) This is the only thing I can fault myself with. I've been very flipfloppy this game in my reads. I don't generally like to stick on them if somebody says something that I hadn't thought of before that I was missing. Like I've said before about Eden, he's making a lot of moves that I don't necessarily agree with. However, he contributes a lot, and seems to be wanting to push the game along and figure things out. I decided that he's not lynchworthy right now, and there are better targets in this game. I'm not going to vote for Eden when he responds to my questions with answers that, though I may not agree with, I can see his thought process about why he did those actions.
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Netherlands6191 Posts
Eh, I just picked a bad time to play mafia - really didn't realize how much time it would consume.
Anyway, I see lots of votes for me. and I don't really blame you guys for wanting me off, I have been of no use at all this game and my reads have been pretty pathetic.
tamb - I am still not sure what to think of tamb. He claims he will lead us to victory but so far he hasn't even made a shot.
MM1 - starts off the game by slipping under everyones radars, is afk for two days on ban and then comes back and (what appears to me) starts leading the town, which tamb is supposed to be doing.
guys i would rather vote dfs then dravernor and Like i know drav is mafia, but confirmed for me is epi, ahs, and dfs. I think dfs is a power role for mafia so i would like to lynch him and see if we can get vigi a shot tonight seem to me to be very leaderish things to say.
Possible mafia alliance? I don't know. Two people claiming importance is what I see. Eden is also pretty strong with suggestions and reads, letting us know who we should vote off and who we should keep. I get that we're supposed to band together and co-ordinate our votes and reads and stuff to work best together, but all of our most active players are casting votes in weird directions.
Yell0w made jokes day 1, was persecuted and pressured. He is somehow still alive. He is either genuine town or a very smart mafia player. If so, tamb made a nice play of pretending to be vig and fake claiming to shoot him night 1, not shooting night 2 (because he can't ACTUALLY shoot) and thus both Yell0w and tamb are still here. He also voted me because he had no-one better to vote for?
Epishade whom I have been suspecting all along still hasn't convinced me he is clear, but he seemed pretty close to sqrt and disappointed by his loss, possibly because he felt sqrt was the only one who understood him. sqrt turned out to be town. I don't really know how to read that in relation to Epishade's post about him. I think his post about suspecting Eden was pretty good, but not enough to convince me.
Eden - has a lot of votes every here and there, willy nilly, and we all seem to trust him and his judgement just because he makes strong cases. Cases that may have lost us people who were good at reading others.
bunnies - seemed town to everyone on the surface. She basically did the opposite of Meat - started off strong and then grew quieter. Now she is going hardcore in saying
Yeah mystery is not the kill here today. If he was actually roleblocked, we are lynching town.
So fr off the table today we have me, tamburini, and mystery.
So unvote him, or I vote you.
Another possible alliance? Unlikely, but not impossible. Just weird. Why are you acting weird bunnies? Dude.
Is it possible you still get a pm if someone role blocked you, regardless of if you have a role or not? In the light of letting someone know they have been targeted?
ahswtini if you knew how long it took me to write my blogs you would know why it has taken me so long to post after getting home  i don't really see what is so mafia about ahs (and myself either infact) - he hasn't been interacting a lot, sure, and he hasn't been putting pressure on anyone, but maybe he is busy too? I dunno, I only suspected him in the first place because a lot of you seemed to be making short cases against him, reading into them. But I'm still not entirely sure. 50:50.
dfs - he is rather quiet too, i dont know what to think of him. He makes a lot of pure logic based calls on people, which i like, but it doesn't say anything about him being mafia or town, and it is hard to get a read out of him like that.
Yes, that was a summary of what has been going on, and my reads on people based off of their actions. Not enough to save me, of course, but I am better able to judge people after I have summarized them. Anyway, whatever, I am bad at this kind of game and I don't have the right personality for it.
Based on his playstyle, I am going to vote Mysterymeat and his erratic moevement, reasoning and voting.
##VOTE Mysterymeat
For the record I think you're all fun people 
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Northern Ireland22208 Posts
Ok I'm unvoting for now.
On May 08 2014 05:02 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
i explained already ahs, on why i switched my vote to drav....
The way lynch system works is that both drav and I are tied at 3 votes, drav is going to come online vote for me in order to save herself, even though she thinks im town. Then if i switch my vote to drav, i'll still be the one getting lynched. Also ahs, if you believe that both dfs and i are devo scum as you posted earlier, then switch your vote to dfs... Its pretty clear that i'm not going to get lynched.
Sorry I didn't notice you'd voted for drav, I just saw you place two town on that list.
Again, Mafia were certain that mtamburini was going to shoot yellow tonight. They let it go through because it would have lost us the game immediately if it had actually gone through. If yellow was Mafia, I don't see why his buddies would just let him die. If, as Mafia I wanted to keep scum yellow alive, I would have blocked and killed mtamburini last night.
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Netherlands6191 Posts
On May 08 2014 05:11 ahswtini wrote:Ok I'm unvoting for now. Show nested quote +On May 08 2014 05:02 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
i explained already ahs, on why i switched my vote to drav....
The way lynch system works is that both drav and I are tied at 3 votes, drav is going to come online vote for me in order to save herself, even though she thinks im town. Then if i switch my vote to drav, i'll still be the one getting lynched. Also ahs, if you believe that both dfs and i are devo scum as you posted earlier, then switch your vote to dfs... Its pretty clear that i'm not going to get lynched. Sorry I didn't notice you'd voted for drav, I just saw you place two town on that list. Again, Mafia were certain that mtamburini was going to shoot yellow tonight. They let it go through because it would have lost us the game immediately if it had actually gone through. If yellow was Mafia, I don't see why his buddies would just let him die. If, as Mafia I wanted to keep scum yellow alive, I would have blocked and killed mtamburini last night.
That actually makes a lot of sense. Hmm.
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1) thats what i called you out on, in your posts when you mentioned eden the last three things you said where
-Eden is scum
-i don't agree with Eden's reads
-I'm undecided on Eden
then you vote for me...
2.You looked through ahs filter and nothing stood out?
I suspect Ahswtini is mafia as well for a couple of reasons. I might make a post later tonight why I think so if I have the time.
the post that was supposed to come never came. And now your saying that nothing stood out. Once again, you htink ahs is scummy.
3) You think its an obvious ploy then why is mtam, and bunnies supporting it? The two people who are clearly town? Its obvious then that your bw and in the million to one chance your being used as a bw.
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