EPTI'm not sure what to make of this yet but I have a feeling that either Yell0w or ninjabunnies could be scum. But only one of them.
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Sweetfrost
Sweden211 Posts
I'm not sure what to make of this yet but I have a feeling that either Yell0w or ninjabunnies could be scum. But only one of them. | ||
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sqrtofneg1
Canada1159 Posts
After a brief read-through of the whole thread, this is what I've come up with. I've cleared bunnies, epishade, eden, yellow. Amiko came in, but left abruptly. He's more active in the other games. Possible scum. Tambo scum read, but stronger than amiko. Meat possibly town, he didn't talk much, but I think I'll chalk that up to first game. Rit & drav haven't talked enough for me to get a read on them. Dfs seems maf because of a little thing - he calls everybody scum until cleared, which is contradictory since he calls some people towny beforehand. Ash and frost haven't talked enough for me to get a read on them. Current reads: Tambo scum, Dfs possible scum, Amiko possible scum, Bunnies, eden, epishade, yellow town in that order. | ||
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sqrtofneg1
Canada1159 Posts
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mtamburini
Canada506 Posts
On April 29 2014 22:55 Yell0w wrote: I feel like you contradicted yourself, you say we should lynch me because sarcasm and asking how to be more town, same reason as before, but this time you say that sarcasm is indicative of an experienced mafia, and you said before that asking how to be more town is a rookie mafia mistake, so take your pick, am I an experience mafia or a rookie mafia? Can't have it both ways. @ahswtini Don't know how I caused chaos and confusion, if you consider a big conversation to be chaos and confusion, then sure okay, but then you also become my top suspect. There was no serious conversation going on before I and bunnies started talking and I'm the one not taking the game seriously? I just thought bunnies' attack on me was extremely silly @Sweetfrost I'm not gonna call you sweety, just saying. That was meant to say inexperienced my phone must of auto corrected it. And to say I disappeared after my comment some people acquire sleep to function. I was unaware I had to report when I went to bed and woke up. Do you want to know when in eating too? Maybe when I go to the bathroom as well? | ||
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mtamburini
Canada506 Posts
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dfs
Russian Federation4050 Posts
What is interesting to me now is how you just cleared yell0w altogether? A person who is getting the most pressure so far. | ||
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Sweetfrost
Sweden211 Posts
On April 29 2014 23:54 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Current reads: Tambo scum, Dfs possible scum, Amiko possible scum, Bunnies, eden, epishade, yellow town in that order. I would like you to explain how you've cleared Yell0w as town? | ||
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mtamburini
Canada506 Posts
On April 30 2014 00:27 dfs wrote: @sqrt, to be fair, I never actually called anyone anything, yet. I simply shared my points of interest at that time, and my thoughs on them. What is interesting to me now is how you just cleared yell0w altogether? A person who is getting the most pressure so far. I like this fellow. Has not said much of anything but has picked up on something that no one else had really brought up (maybe not even thought about too) Can you give more details on yellow and/or anyone else? | ||
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
1) Seriousness of Votes Eden has thrown around a few votes, I think he’s changed more than anyone else so far. That isn’t inherently scummy to me – voting for pressure is fine. However, it makes me confused why his initial reaction to ninjabunnies’ pressure on yell0w was to question ninjabunnies rather than yell0w. I was thinking about voting for yell0w to add to the pressure (incidentally, it seemed like tamburini may have been as well – I’m not sure, but he did vote for yell0w after ninjabunnies removed her vote to at least keep pressure on). Basically, my point here is this: Given Eden’s willingness to vote without too much basis (on sweetfrost as a lurker, on epishade for his comments on yell0w, on dfs as a lurker) I would have expected him to be more initially supportive of pressure on yell0w from ninjabunnies. 2) Eden’s interaction with ninjabunnies To go a little deeper on Eden/ninjabunnies, Eden essentially asks ninjabunnies twice what she learned from the pressure on yell0w. (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/447955-newbie-mini-mafia-lv?page=13#255 and http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/447955-newbie-mini-mafia-lv?page=14#272). Initially, he seems to see bunnies as genuine, but also says she didn’t really answer his question – that seems a little weird. When bunnies responds again, I feel like she didn’t fully answer his question (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=21278572) – Eden had asked what she learned from the post, and she responded that bunnies avoided the question. In response, Eden names bunnies as his top town (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=21278604) The point here is this: Eden asks ninjabunnies some questions regarding her pressure on yell0w. When ninjabunnies doesn’t fully respond, Eden calls her genuine (though he notes she didn't respond). When she doesn’t fully respond again, Eden calls ninjabunnies his top town. This feels weird because if I ask someone a question and they don’t respond I get interested. If I ask again and they don’t respond, I get suspicious. So, Eden's response to ninjabunnies felt off to me. -- I would especially like to know thoughts on these points from the players who just recently started posting. | ||
dravernor
Netherlands6181 Posts
My suspicion of Epishade and bunnies still stands though - They both seem overly aggressive/defensive, which may actually be a deliberate ploy to make each other both look like townies. As you can see sqrt has already cleared them form his list, and Yell0w too. I'd actually like some clarification on this please: On April 29 2014 12:18 Yell0w wrote: Well I am glad this issue got resolved rather peacefully, I now unfortunately have to sleep, but I will see you all tomorrow. Also I'm pretty convinced bunnies is town now, probably epishade too, the rest I don't know. | ||
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
I don't put much weight on his initial post, but there's a few followups that were odd to me. (1) Discussing Bunnies After bunnies puts some pressure on him, yell0w posts this: On April 29 2014 11:46 Yell0w wrote: @bunnies: Why would I need luck? Are you that convinced I'm mafia? Or is it that you just want to lynch me anyways for other reasons? Like, you actually are mafia and you're just jumping on any reason to lynch a town? He is sort of throwing around some ideas and suggests bunnies could be mafia. So, I asked him a question a little more directly on her pressure and his response was a lot more cagey: On April 29 2014 11:55 Yell0w wrote: I don't really know, she has a reasoning for it, she played with people who claimed mafia like that and ended up actually being mafia, but obviously it's flawed logic and anecdotal evidence, it's not because someone did it that me making a joke about being mafia means I'm mafia. But that fact that she has that reason makes me think she's not doing it as a mafia play, but obviously she might just have come up with it to make it seems that way, so I don't know. These posts have some consistency - neither seem sure what ninjabunnies' motives are. But, I feel like yell0w's first post reads as far more suspicious/unsure of ninjabunnies, whereas the second seems to be neutral/unsure. --- On April 29 2014 23:21 Sweetfrost wrote: I must agree that Yell0ws joking claims makes him a prime suspect. I feel he tries way to hard to convince everyone that he's not scum with his joking and sarcastic remarks. @Sweetfrost: How do you think yell0w viewed the points raised on him by ninjabunnies? Which comments do you feel are joking/sarcasting? Why do you think him joking around is indicative of him being mafia? | ||
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dfs
Russian Federation4050 Posts
On April 30 2014 01:16 mtamburini wrote: I like this fellow. Has not said much of anything but has picked up on something that no one else had really brought up (maybe not even thought about too) Can you give more details on yellow and/or anyone else? What do you mean exactly? Sqrt cleared yell0w who I find suspicious, especially after his recent defences, which makes me suspicious of Sqrt, who wasn't participating much in the discussion before that, so I would like to know his reasons. | ||
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
 Basically the second point on yellow is just that it seems weird he has cleared both bunnies when he initially was not sure how to read the pressure on him. | ||
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
I'll add this since we have players that are new or new to forum mafia. If there are masons, consider including some code that indicates who your mason partner is. It shouldn't be clearly detected, but should be fairly straightforward if it is pointed out. That way if one of you dies, the other can point to it if necessary to prove they are your mason teammate. For example, if I was mason with sqrt, I might write something like this into a random post I made and tell him about it: As sqrt wrote, mtamburini likely isn't amazing mafia... essentially, someone knows xyzxxzyzxyzxy. If you look at all the second letters, it spells sqrt is mason... if I was mason with sqrt and I was killed/lynched, sqrt can point to this post to semi-confirm he is my mason partner. This isn't the kind of trick you can do that easily in live/video mafia, so I wanted to bring it up in case it didn't occur to masons (if they are in the game). | ||
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Yell0w
120 Posts
On April 29 2014 23:21 Sweetfrost wrote: I must agree that Yell0ws joking claims makes him a prime suspect. I feel he tries way to hard to convince everyone that he's not scum with his joking and sarcastic remarks. What remarks were joking and/or sarcastic since I became a suspect? On April 30 2014 00:13 mtamburini wrote: That was meant to say inexperienced my phone must of auto corrected it. And to say I disappeared after my comment some people acquire sleep to function. I was unaware I had to report when I went to bed and woke up. Do you want to know when in eating too? Maybe when I go to the bathroom as well? And I'm the one under fire for using sarcasm? Now that's laughable. I wasn't even saying you were mafia because you contradicted yourself, I just wanted to point out your reasons for voting against me were not very good. And you're allowed to disappear, but the timing was weird and then you came back and didn't answer her question, so... | ||
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
We don't know how many mafia there are. In 13 player games, my guess would be 3 mafia, maybe also a serial killer. This is just based on knowing a popular 13-player setups is C9++ (http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=C9%2B%2B#Setup_Determination) typically has 3 mafia. There's no certainty, though, since our setup is different (there's no medic/doctor, for instance). 2 mafia seems too few, though, so I would say 3>4>2. We can make some better guesses after n1 - based on the number of kills it can indicate if there's a vigilante or serial killer. You haven't talked much in thread yet, so here's a few questions: - Any thoughts on sweetfrost at this point in the game? - What is your current position on yell0w? Also, do you feel joking is indicative of being scum? Why? | ||
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dravernor
Netherlands6181 Posts
On April 30 2014 02:13 Amiko wrote: @yell0w and @dravernor if you are still in thread would you put a few comments on my points regarding Eden and Yell0w above? I won't be here as much this afternoon so would like to get some back and forth while I can. Hmm, I'm still not sure about Yell0w, he really doesn't seem too suspicious to me after the initial frenzy around his nonchalant post about being mafia, but I am not ruling him out, just watching carefully. He did contradict himself though, as bunnies pointed out. Also, you make a very good case about Eden - he did throw around a few votes. It definitely didn't go unnoticed that he voted dfs in the same post he said we should give the Euros a chance to wake up before accusing. I'm going to filter Eden's posts when I have a bit more time and try to figure this out. It turns out that I was still too sleepy to read the posts made before I woke up, so I am rereading through to make sure I understood things properly. | ||
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
I can try to reread the last game (probably not until this evening, though) and see what I think on the same point. | ||
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