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On April 29 2014 13:44 Epishade wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2014 13:23 27ninjabunnies wrote:On April 29 2014 13:07 Epishade wrote:On April 29 2014 12:51 27ninjabunnies wrote:On April 29 2014 12:47 Epishade wrote:On April 29 2014 12:44 27ninjabunnies wrote:On April 29 2014 12:39 Epishade wrote:On April 29 2014 12:25 Eden1892 wrote:
@Epishade: What's with your 180 here? Seems abrupt to me. How did you go from "loaded question, aiming to paint Yellow in a scum-light, easy way to get rid of someone quickly with the first lynch" to "just digging for information" off the first post?
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##VOTE: Epishade I had it in my mind that Bunny was attempting to get an easy 1st day lynch by making a bad accusation against Yellow. When I said that her actions against Yellow gave me a scumread, you said you didn't agree with me there. Ritoky also suggested that Bunny was getting information from Yellow, instead of trying to kill Yellow with the lynch. I thought that Bunny was pushing too strongly for very little reason, and that looked like scum behavior to me. Ritoky said that she was probably digging for information, and I thought that that was actually a pretty justifiable reason for her behavior. I changed my opinion on Bunny mainly from Ritoky's post, but you also disagreeing with my scumread made me think I might be wrong about the situation. I certainly didn't want to continue forth with Bunny being a scumread when you guys had changed my mind about her aggressive posting. I appreciate you taking into consideration others' read on me. But I would like to ask something. Why do you assume Yell0w is an easy d1 lynch? I thought that your attacks on him were spot on, if not for the fact that what he made at first was in jest. I was thinking others would disregard this fact and bandwagon onto the first scummy looking person to lynch day1. Although this new post from Yellow I'll admit is kind of weird. The fact that everyone is reading his response as "in jest" is weird to me. How can you tell? Because I couldn't. Also, no one BW that. Could be mafia not wanting to bw on their partner? Still doesnt explain why you think that he is an easy d1 lynch. "So this sqrt guy sure seems to enjoy talking, so he's probably mafia." You didn't think him just bluntly stating that sounded at all like a joke? I know nobody BWed it, but I didn't think Yellow was scummy at all to begin with (before he made his recent post that is. Idk what to think of that). I didn't want to lose a potential town for making a joke IF people had started to bw against Yellow. I guess, as you say, you didn't think what he said was a joke. You thought he slipped up, while I thought you were attacking him because he was the first suitable person to attack based on his "slip-up." I wasn't sure how far you were willing to take it to make Yellow look bad (but as I now figure from seeing others reactions, you were probably just getting info), and I thought you were attacking him too strongly for nothing. That was what gave me my initial scumread on you. Then others convinced me otherwise that I was probably looking too hard into your attack and I don't have that scumread anymore. Okay, I see what you are saying here. But no, I don't think him bluntly saying that is a joke. And here are my reasons. 1. I'd say it just to get a reaction. Like if I say, oh, tamburini is mafia for wanting to be leader (which I blatantly said, yet no one defended or deflected off of that like they did on yellow). I got more of a reaction to my questioning of Yellow than I did with tamburini, which is why I went further into questioning on yellow. 2. I wanted to see what Yellow thought to my questioning, to see if we had the same read on sqrt. Because here is why. There are two types of mafia imo: The ones who lurk, and the mafia who tend to want to be the first to talk or talk the most. I wanted to see what Yellow read into Sqrt, as if he was thought Sqrt was the latter mafia. I guess we just had different interpretations of what he said, leading us to have different conclusions over how to handle it. I thought it was a clear joke and nothing more, but since you saw differently you attacked him. I didn't think the attack was warranted and that's when I got my initial scumread on you etc. I've posted my reasoning before.
See, that makes sense to me; but what doesn't make sense to me about your reaction is that you wanted the entire convo to simply go away/end. Which is why I read you as deflecting off of yell0w. If what you're saying is true, and you had a different view of the situation that led you to a scum read on bunnies; then why didn't you push hard back on bunnies? To me you read less so as accusatory toward bunnies and moreso as let's stop talking about this. It also seemed to me at the time, that you were setting yourself up in a bit of the "I told you so" position if yell0w ended up being a mislynch, which I also didn't like.
But you have come around a bit for me, the openness in your change of opinion bought you back some credit for me, but I am still now sold on you as town, especially if yell0w appears any more mafia than he currently does when he comes back and starts typing.
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@Epishade: I'm not attacking you for reading me scummy. Actually, my focus has not even been on you. So, yes, I told you I understand your reasoning. I just wanted to point out my reasoning so you could see where I was coming from.
You say I was attacking, but honestly, I don't even consider that as attacking, I was merely getting reads.
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I'm not especially satisfied with Epishade's direct response to me but his subsequent posts are ringing a little more genuine.
Back to work.
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##VOTE: dfs
The other non-posters are in Western/Central Europe so I'll give them a chance to show me when they wake up that they mean to play.
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On April 29 2014 13:52 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2014 13:44 Epishade wrote:On April 29 2014 13:23 27ninjabunnies wrote:On April 29 2014 13:07 Epishade wrote:On April 29 2014 12:51 27ninjabunnies wrote:On April 29 2014 12:47 Epishade wrote:On April 29 2014 12:44 27ninjabunnies wrote:On April 29 2014 12:39 Epishade wrote:On April 29 2014 12:25 Eden1892 wrote:
@Epishade: What's with your 180 here? Seems abrupt to me. How did you go from "loaded question, aiming to paint Yellow in a scum-light, easy way to get rid of someone quickly with the first lynch" to "just digging for information" off the first post?
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##VOTE: Epishade I had it in my mind that Bunny was attempting to get an easy 1st day lynch by making a bad accusation against Yellow. When I said that her actions against Yellow gave me a scumread, you said you didn't agree with me there. Ritoky also suggested that Bunny was getting information from Yellow, instead of trying to kill Yellow with the lynch. I thought that Bunny was pushing too strongly for very little reason, and that looked like scum behavior to me. Ritoky said that she was probably digging for information, and I thought that that was actually a pretty justifiable reason for her behavior. I changed my opinion on Bunny mainly from Ritoky's post, but you also disagreeing with my scumread made me think I might be wrong about the situation. I certainly didn't want to continue forth with Bunny being a scumread when you guys had changed my mind about her aggressive posting. I appreciate you taking into consideration others' read on me. But I would like to ask something. Why do you assume Yell0w is an easy d1 lynch? I thought that your attacks on him were spot on, if not for the fact that what he made at first was in jest. I was thinking others would disregard this fact and bandwagon onto the first scummy looking person to lynch day1. Although this new post from Yellow I'll admit is kind of weird. The fact that everyone is reading his response as "in jest" is weird to me. How can you tell? Because I couldn't. Also, no one BW that. Could be mafia not wanting to bw on their partner? Still doesnt explain why you think that he is an easy d1 lynch. "So this sqrt guy sure seems to enjoy talking, so he's probably mafia." You didn't think him just bluntly stating that sounded at all like a joke? I know nobody BWed it, but I didn't think Yellow was scummy at all to begin with (before he made his recent post that is. Idk what to think of that). I didn't want to lose a potential town for making a joke IF people had started to bw against Yellow. I guess, as you say, you didn't think what he said was a joke. You thought he slipped up, while I thought you were attacking him because he was the first suitable person to attack based on his "slip-up." I wasn't sure how far you were willing to take it to make Yellow look bad (but as I now figure from seeing others reactions, you were probably just getting info), and I thought you were attacking him too strongly for nothing. That was what gave me my initial scumread on you. Then others convinced me otherwise that I was probably looking too hard into your attack and I don't have that scumread anymore. Okay, I see what you are saying here. But no, I don't think him bluntly saying that is a joke. And here are my reasons. 1. I'd say it just to get a reaction. Like if I say, oh, tamburini is mafia for wanting to be leader (which I blatantly said, yet no one defended or deflected off of that like they did on yellow). I got more of a reaction to my questioning of Yellow than I did with tamburini, which is why I went further into questioning on yellow. 2. I wanted to see what Yellow thought to my questioning, to see if we had the same read on sqrt. Because here is why. There are two types of mafia imo: The ones who lurk, and the mafia who tend to want to be the first to talk or talk the most. I wanted to see what Yellow read into Sqrt, as if he was thought Sqrt was the latter mafia. I guess we just had different interpretations of what he said, leading us to have different conclusions over how to handle it. I thought it was a clear joke and nothing more, but since you saw differently you attacked him. I didn't think the attack was warranted and that's when I got my initial scumread on you etc. I've posted my reasoning before. See, that makes sense to me; but what doesn't make sense to me about your reaction is that you wanted the entire convo to simply go away/end. Which is why I read you as deflecting off of yell0w. If what you're saying is true, and you had a different view of the situation that led you to a scum read on bunnies; then why didn't you push hard back on bunnies? To me you read less so as accusatory toward bunnies and moreso as let's stop talking about this. It also seemed to me at the time, that you were setting yourself up in a bit of the "I told you so" position if yell0w ended up being a mislynch, which I also didn't like. But you have come around a bit for me, the openness in your change of opinion bought you back some credit for me, but I am still now sold on you as town, especially if yell0w appears any more mafia than he currently does when he comes back and starts typing.
I had a scum read on Bunny, but I didn't want to push it too hard lest I be the only person that thought that way. I wasn't sure whether my read on her was good or not, so I didn't want to push it. Bunny seemed a little scummy to me then, but only because we had a different understanding of the situation. I wanted to hear what other people thought, then you and Eden convinced me that Bunny may have other motives and I changed my opinion.
Also, just to be clear, is that a typo where you say "but I am still now sold on you as town,"? Did you mean to say "not" instead?
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Someone talk to me about Yell0w here. What's the case on him? bunnies, mtamburini, ritoky, why do you suspect him right now?
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I think we've been off to a pretty aggressive start already tbh. I now think I am going to be useless at this game because everyone and no-one looks scummy. I think the top two suspects here in my eyes are Epishade and 27ninjabunnies as they have been pressing and deflecting the most for what looks like an early lynch. But, the game is still young and I don't really know many of you yet, so I could be reading wrong completely.
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For some reason Yell0w doesn't strike me as scummy, despite all the posts about him.
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On April 29 2014 14:10 Epishade wrote:
Also, just to be clear, is that a typo where you say "but I am still now sold on you as town,"? Did you mean to say "not" instead?
yea it's a typo, shoulda been not.
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On April 29 2014 11:26 Yell0w wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2014 11:23 27ninjabunnies wrote:On April 29 2014 11:21 Yell0w wrote:
I never actually played mafia, I play werewolf in real life, which is pretty much the same I guess, and I don't think him talking is indicative of him being mafia or not, I just think he likes talking.
May I point out you said this. On April 29 2014 11:03 Yell0w wrote:
So this sqrt guy sure seems to enjoy talking, so he's probably mafia. Yet you don't think him talking a lot is indicative of being mafia? Contradicting yourself already? Ohhh! You got me, I'm mafia.
On April 29 2014 11:29 27ninjabunnies wrote:
We got em boys!
And ladies?
Lynch em!!!
@Yell0w, seriously, you claim mafia, I lynch you in a heartbeat.
Been in toooo many games where someone has claimed mafia, doesn't get lynched, and turns out to be mafia.
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On April 29 2014 12:19 Epishade wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2014 12:14 ritoky wrote:On April 29 2014 12:07 Epishade wrote:On April 29 2014 11:58 ritoky wrote:On April 29 2014 10:46 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
It's early stages, let's just fool around. I am not particularly a fan of this post, and a lot of the subsequent posts by sqrt. I understand that this is day 1 and information is at an all time low, but encouraging fooling around and then continuing to do so after some legitimate discussion has begun rubs me the wrong way. I also read Epishade's comments as deflective and dismissive. Unlike Bunnies and like you Epishade I am not convinced that yell0w is scum at all, but you seem to want to say "it's a joke, move on". I disagree, I think bunnies is right to apply pressure and see a response. It seems strange to me that you seem to want to simply move on before legitimate response has been explored. Sqrt screwed around a bunch at the start on the other newbie mafia games too, so that's not out of the ordinary for me. I think Bunny is pushing too hard for a comment made in jest. I may be wrong, and Yellow may be scum, but it seems to me that Bunny loaded that question against Yellow, and then when Yellow answered truthfully, that contradicted his comment he made before that was made in jest. I think Bunny could have just been aiming to paint Yellow in a potential scum-light, but then Yellow joked that "you caught me." Bunny decided to roll with it and vote for Yellow right then, as an easy way to get rid of someone quickly with the first lynch. Really? Because to me, it seemed like bunnies was looking for 1 of 3 things to happen: 1) yell0w to get hyper defensive (which didn't happen) 2) yell0w to counter with aggression (which didn't happen) 3) or someone to deflect for him (which did) I don't think yell0w is scum right now at all, he responded how he responded. It wasn't ideal, but he is sticking to his story saying it was a joke and I don't read him as hyper defensive about it. But you seem to be very pushy about this entire topic and very heavily deflecting for him. It could just be a legitimate read and belief that it is a joke, but you could also be mafia deflecting for another mafia or mafia trying to deflect/pocket a town who faced early pressure. For the most part I simply don't like how you seem to want to move on from what I think is the only real substantive thing happening right now. Not wanting more information and more reads and more reactions tends to be a scummy thing. Hmmm, I guess I just felt that Yellow was getting unjustly accused of being mafia. I didn't want people to bandwagon on him for making a simple joke throught Bunny's influence. But you've convinced me of Bunny's actions. I take back my scumread on her. I can see how they might have been justified, without anything else to go on right now. She was just digging for information.
On April 29 2014 12:20 Yell0w wrote:
Just before I leave, just one question for rikory, what would have been a better response from me? What was the ideal response?
On April 29 2014 12:43 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2014 12:35 mtamburini wrote:On April 29 2014 12:20 Yell0w wrote:
Just before I leave, just one question for rikory, what would have been a better response from me? What was the ideal response? Wow... Just wow... Bunnies I think we need to apply pressure back on YELLOW. How should I have responded? If your town you shouldnt care on how to appear more towny. This a classic rookie mafia mistake. ##VOTE: Yell0w
That is pretty much the most pertinent posts that are beyond 2 pages back in my opinion, you should be able to make your own determinations from them.
On April 29 2014 12:10 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2014 11:58 ritoky wrote:On April 29 2014 10:46 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
It's early stages, let's just fool around. I am not particularly a fan of this post, and a lot of the subsequent posts by sqrt. I understand that this is day 1 and information is at an all time low, but encouraging fooling around and then continuing to do so after some legitimate discussion has begun rubs me the wrong way. I also read Epishade's comments as deflective and dismissive. Unlike Bunnies and like you Epishade I am not convinced that yell0w is scum at all, but you seem to want to say "it's a joke, move on". I disagree, I think bunnies is right to apply pressure and see a response. It seems strange to me that you seem to want to simply move on before legitimate response has been explored. The bolded part is exactly what I am trying to get at. It's his response, and others' responses to this.
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you should expand the nested quotes too eden btw.
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@Epishade: Do I really have to state all the reasons again?!
okay, short version.
1. He called someone mafia (sqrt) because he talked a lot, when I questioned his read, he said he didn't think him talking a lot was actually indicative of mafia. So I called him out on this as being contradictory. He then was like, "Oh you caught me, I'm mafia" So I voted him. For these reasons: 1. Ive played games where mafia has claimed being mafia, even voted themselves, and still got by and won as mafia. 2. This reaction was terrible, why not actually answer the question, which he ended up avoiding completely, until like 3 pages later. 3. I used this as to get reads from Yell0w and other people via the reactions to my pushing/questioning.
You can read through my filter to see any other reasons I have stated, but that is the jist of it.
Also @dravernor- I don't necessarily agree, but I am considering the possibility that Yell0w is town. It's one of the reasons why I rescended my vote. But I will be bringing up the Yell0w thing later in the day if I do not get reads from other people. Also, it wasn't an early lynch, as I stated above. It was reaction testing, and questioning. that is all.
I would also like to point out. I DID CALL TAMBURINI SCUMMY. Yet no one is bringing this up?!
It is weird that yell0w is the only one we are focusing on. So I feel maybe mafia are trying to deflect from their mafia partner (being Yell0w)
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@dravernor I hope those reads are that Epishade or bunnies is mafia, and not both are mafia; cuz as of now unless this is an elaborate busting scheme, I don't exactly see how they are mafia together.
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On April 29 2014 14:42 27ninjabunnies wrote:
@Epishade: Do I really have to state all the reasons again?!
okay, short version.
1. He called someone mafia (sqrt) because he talked a lot, when I questioned his read, he said he didn't think him talking a lot was actually indicative of mafia. So I called him out on this as being contradictory. He then was like, "Oh you caught me, I'm mafia" So I voted him. For these reasons: 1. Ive played games where mafia has claimed being mafia, even voted themselves, and still got by and won as mafia. 2. This reaction was terrible, why not actually answer the question, which he ended up avoiding completely, until like 3 pages later. 3. I used this as to get reads from Yell0w and other people via the reactions to my pushing/questioning.
No, why did you feel the need to restate your reasoning? I understood your thought process after your last post. Idk why you felt like restating it again right here. My last post since then (spoilered below for reference) makes absolutely no contradictions against what you said before...
+ Show Spoiler +I had a scum read on Bunny, but I didn't want to push it too hard lest I be the only person that thought that way. I wasn't sure whether my read on her was good or not, so I didn't want to push it. Bunny seemed a little scummy to me then, but only because we had a different understanding of the situation. I wanted to hear what other people thought, then you and Eden convinced me that Bunny may have other motives and I changed my opinion.
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On April 29 2014 14:16 Eden1892 wrote:
Someone talk to me about Yell0w here. What's the case on him? bunnies, mtamburini, ritoky, why do you suspect him right now?
This is what you said.
You asked what my case was on him. I gave you my case.
I don't see what you are trying to get at with your previous post
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Oh eddit: Not evn paying attention to wrote that!!!!
That was geared at eden, not you epishade. I apologize!
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On April 29 2014 14:42 27ninjabunnies wrote:
@Epishade: Do I really have to state all the reasons again?!
okay, short version.
1. He called someone mafia (sqrt) because he talked a lot, when I questioned his read, he said he didn't think him talking a lot was actually indicative of mafia. So I called him out on this as being contradictory. He then was like, "Oh you caught me, I'm mafia" So I voted him. For these reasons: 1. Ive played games where mafia has claimed being mafia, even voted themselves, and still got by and won as mafia. 2. This reaction was terrible, why not actually answer the question, which he ended up avoiding completely, until like 3 pages later. 3. I used this as to get reads from Yell0w and other people via the reactions to my pushing/questioning.
You can read through my filter to see any other reasons I have stated, but that is the jist of it.
Also @dravernor- I don't necessarily agree, but I am considering the possibility that Yell0w is town. It's one of the reasons why I rescended my vote. But I will be bringing up the Yell0w thing later in the day if I do not get reads from other people. Also, it wasn't an early lynch, as I stated above. It was reaction testing, and questioning. that is all.
I would also like to point out. I DID CALL TAMBURINI SCUMMY. Yet no one is bringing this up?!
It is weird that yell0w is the only one we are focusing on. So I feel maybe mafia are trying to deflect from their mafia partner (being Yell0w)
This is @ Eden, not epishade. Sorry, got them mixed up. My apologies.
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Ok, I'm getting some shut eye now. I'll have to see further developments in the afternoon when I wake up.
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I'm not as sure on Yell0w as you guys are, but I'm not bothered by him being lynched.
@bunnies: Do you still think mtamburini is scummy? And if so, how do you feel about the fact that he's been pushing Yell0w harder than everyone else except for you?
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On April 29 2014 15:11 Eden1892 wrote:
I'm not as sure on Yell0w as you guys are, but I'm not bothered by him being lynched.
@bunnies: Do you still think mtamburini is scummy? And if so, how do you feel about the fact that he's been pushing Yell0w harder than everyone else except for you?
So here's my thing on tamburini.
He comes out immediately and declares himself as town leader. Which gives me two scenerios: he is actually town and thinks he can actually lead this game, or he is mafia wanting to look townie.
Hence why I put him on my scum list.
So I was sorta working the Yell0w/Tamburini angle at the same time. Tamburini came out and defended himself by bringing up some ogi stuff from some epicmafia games. That's fine. Whatever. But no one read into this. Either people thought he is townie, or the thing on Yell0w was worth more reading into.
Then, when I rescinded my vote off of Yell0w, for multiple reasons, Tamburini wanted to jump right back on him, for him asking how he should have responded to my question. I find this weird. Especially since Tamburini immediately voted. Hence why I asked tamburini to talk more on Yell0w for his reads.
So as of now, im null on Tamburini until he answers my question, but I'm leaning more scummy for him.
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I'm having a little trouble following you, because it seems like you're trying to keep open the Yell0w and mtamburini options here, but I'm not really seeing them as teammates right now. I can actually see the mtamburini case better than the Yell0w case and I think it's your stronger option of the two. But again, I don't see them as teammates. Do you?
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